Tormach 1100MX vs Tormach 770M+ | The Difference Between These Two CNC Machines
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And just like that, Nicole, in 5 minutes and 43 seconds, made a comparison video that Tormach themselves should have, but never managed to do.
Except she is giving bad info
@@CAULEYJR Elaborate please?
Tormach seems to rely on the people they float product to for everything
To be fair, she only needed 5 minutes and 28 seconds :p
This comparison will be more useful to more people than I think they even realize. Extremely well explained! 👍
The funny thing is that it's better than Tormachs own comparison vids. 😂 Go Nicole!
@@shirothehero0609 I've never seen, but that's crazy if you're right. I wonder what the company compensated Titan for a strictly promotional video like this?
This young lady is doing an awesome job representing Titan and the company. Well done.
young? 😂
Congratulations Nicole, I'm from Brazil, great explanation and presentation of the differences between the two cnc. Hugs to all of the cnc academy.
That was awesome. Great vid. I ordered a 770mx and am waiting for delivery. I figured it was a great low cost cow vs a Haas right now. I believe in keeping ones debt in check and I think this little machine will pay for itself in no time just like my 440 did. Keep up the great content!
Estupenda comparación entre los 2 modelos de tormach, enhorabuena Nicole.
Saludos desde España.
Thank you For The Electrical outlet information
Good job Nicole. Thanks for making the video. Hope to see more of the two Tormachs in the future. Ciao, Marco.
Awesome job Nicole! How can you not “like” this video. I would love to meet the 8 people who did not like the video.
I am with Scott!
All the best Nicole. Good job.
It looks as if the enthusiasm that comes from the boss is rubbing off on all the staff. I like to see people grow and be enthusiastic for the things that do... Spot on performance . Amacf
Thanks Nicole for these very clear explanations ; and also thanks for having spared us the usual « boooooommmm » at the end. Ha ha ha.
Awsome demonstration
Great information!
Comparing the MX1100 with a washing machine 🤣 But then I realized that many people might have no idea on power consumption so 👍
Putting a 770M+ in your kitchen - BOOM!
She probably meant drier. So it would go in your utility room. Of course, it would also plug in in place of your oven.
@@roflchopter11 Plus electric dryers use 220V!
Aww you Americans and your cute power outlets. 🤣 i prefer my English plugs, I can plug anything in anywhere.
@@wildin13 Yeah but God help you if you step on one of those plugs.
@@wildin13 here i am with my safe euro plugs and 400 volts readily available
Hi Nicole i watched your lessons on building blocks series and i love your teaching very much and i hoped to see you and i finally saw you and iam very happy thanks alot and keep on
Excellent explanation
Thanks for this video!👍🇩🇪
Thank you very much.
Beautiful all cnc machine's
Excellent explanation thankyou can I ask you something is tormat a good machine compared to say a hoss have you had a lot of problems with it or any problems with it cuz I'm considering Machinery buying machinery and I would really love to hear your opinions sounds like you really know what you're talkin about I'm very happy to learn from you.
Hello I'd like to know if I can order it with 220 volts single face 50HZ or 330volts 50HZ three face?
Always like under movie with Nicole
Nice presentation
How much travel/working space would you have if you were to put that 4th axis into the 770?
Nice comparison.
But a small note.
you shouldnt mix BT and BBT holders. While it's compatible, it's not recommended because dust and debree could stick to the face of the spindle while using BT, when using BBT afterwards the stuff gets between the holder and spindle...
Please tell about best vice for vmc
Hello titan. Can the 1100mx make all the mill parts from the academy including aerospace?
Any part that will fit in the machine, given enough time to cut it.
I worked with a company that developed process to sell with the Robodrill machine, (a fast little machine), to sell to union automotive shops, (Like Allison transmission in Indiana)---because they don't know how to develop processes. :)
I have been living off my 1100 since 2007, and it is nice to see faster spindle speeds today, but with a 30 taper, it would be nice to see more than 2hp also IMO.
at 3:40 what is that doing? you put material in the head and then cut it? or was that specific to a tool holder?
It's essentially turning the mill into a CNC lathe/'vertical lathe". Pretty effective if you need an absolutely concentric, complex part and no lathe handy.
The best collet and holder is usually an ER32 or ER40 TTS holder since the collets can handle 3/4"+ of stock.
You can even use it manually in a pinch to quickly turn down a dowel or do a multi-operation drill cycle with multiple drills or boring bars pointed vertically in the vise and have the program run through each of them vs. changing tools multiple times.
I went with hermle, but thanks, still tempting :p
pupu studios there is a good bit of difference, but ok
@@flatsurfaces1913 yeah, not really in the same category.
Lack of research dude !
So you and you dad got your first machine put in the garage. I just recently retired from my job and always had an interest in these machines. I have always wanted to get into this field as a new job. I need to find a school in my area that will teach me how to use fusion 360, then i would be interested in purchasing a one of these machines. I have always wanted to create and build my own things using cnc machines. How long does it take to learn how to use a cnc machine like the tormax 1100 with fusion 360.?
Fusion 360 is not the CAD to start with....try Rhino.
Unless you want to do 3-d machining, you really don't need software to generate programs. I write them by hand for anything not 3-d machined, and I am just as fast writing it, (when I am in top form). I do use a drawing program to draw the part and find the intersections I need for programming. 99% of the programming I do is not 3-d cutting, but I have programmed some small 3-d stuff by hand also,---and took all damn day for an inch long feature. :)
It was AWESOME!!! All missing is tolerances in milling...
What is the tolerance in milling? I think you are asking how accurate the machine is, not the tolerance stated on a print.
That would be a dryer plug rather than a washing machine for 230V single phase, but a good presentation nonetheless.
I thought I was the only one who picked up on that
230 V or as we in Germany call it:
Every wall outlet.
Great now I know what I can save money on.
Not tryin to be a creeper or anything, but Nicole, you've officially become my UA-cam Celebrity crush. 🌹
how much was that first machine$ if u dont mind, thanks
How much does a BT30 taper spindle would substantial benefit from R8 spindle with just increase from 1.5 HP to 2 HP ?
Better tool holder availability.
Much less likely to have tool pull out and better rigidity
@@Frmrspecialist74 Bingo. Push the R-8 hard, and the tool holder can be pulled out of the collet, and it does not have to be pushed that hard with some tools. When I have that problem, cleaning the tool holder shaft and collet with brake cleaner, (get any oil from the surfaces), usually holds well.
@@EarthSurferUSA you can get side lock R8 collets, but I’d rather have BT30 so I can add automatic tool changing
1:45 The DRYER uses the 240V outlet, not the washing machine. There's not much to a washing machine, small motor to turn the bucket, and a pump. The dryer OTOH, has a big heating coil that 120V can't cut it and would trip the smaller circuit breaker.
What about accuracy
how are you sister good news the video
is 1100MX similar to 770MX?
I have a general question. My son has a friend who recently graduated from high school and is trying to find his way into a trade. After talking to him, i think considering the CNC operator profession may be a good match for him. He's computer savvy, likes to build things and is patient. We live in the sacramento area and i'm wondering where he can go to school locally to get more information about the trade. Thank you and god bless.
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We look forward to seeing his Rise to Greatness!
He will find that "JOB" in manufacturing today stands for "Just Over Broke" and I experienced it even with 2 engineering degrees,---until I started my own business and got myself out of poverty,--with this now 15 year old machine in my shop. Most people I worked for (over 20 different shops), worked for somebody else before they started their own business. If he has the "sense of life" you say he does, then he will probably go through school, work a job or so,---and kick off his own business.
You don't get that opportunity working in a union, (most do not look for anymore opportunity, since they are way over paid for the skill they have in manufacturing), or for the state.
4:00 Ahhh! Mystery solved. So THAT'S why you are on the Tormachs. You should have said that a long time ago.
I have the 1100s3 too, BTW.
How do you like your machine?
@@meanasscobra I can't give it a glorifying review, but it's OK.
@@meanasscobra well, I've got one too and I can say I love it as my 2nd cnc.
I'm not quite as 'meh' about it as Dan. With a Power DB and 4th axis, you can quickly do some serious work. Biggest thing is knowing where it's sweet spot is and not feeding like it's a 20hp monster. Once you have a handle on that, it's an absolutely capable machine.
MORE LIKE THE ONE,770 IS 120 VOLTS 20 AMP SINGLE POLE BREAKER. ( FOR A POWERFUL HAIR DRYER OR REFRIGERATOR) THE 1100,TORMACH IS A 230 AMP TWO POLE BREAKER. THE STANDARD DRYERS THAT ARE ELECTRIC ARE ALSO A 2 POLE BREAKER. GOOD JOB SHE IS ASSUME! AND COULD TEACH ME CNC.
Well done, little girl, you have a good overview of the machines, continue in the same spirit!
Little girl? I can tell you she's not a 'little girl" with machining chops like hers.
With a little iron on your toast. 🙂
You forgot to say BOM!!!
You are very pretty.
Is that Titan's daughter??
PSA:
Do not make/eat toast next to machines making metal chips.
Nothing more than an automated Bridgeport Series II.
Priced less
@@TITANSofCNC Slow. 300 ipm max isn't it?
This is interesting, but it doesn't answer my burning question of why Haas machines suddenly went extinct at Titan, and why all of these other tools were brought in. Comparing 770 to an 1100 is kind of like comparing a Honda Civic to an Accord. But somewhere along the way somebody at Titan compared a Haas to a Tormach and made a big bold decision. I want to see THAT video!
Not sure if it's so much about comparing functionality or specs as it is about sponsorship and money.
I'd be willing to venture that Titan and crew are getting more overall financial benefit from Tormach than from Haas. It was likely a part of the sponsorship condition to remove the Haas machines and Tormach would backfill the space with their gear.
It also makes more sense to the educational and hobby crowd that they are focusing on. A Tormach is significantly more attainable than even the smallest Haas (A mini mill or TM-1) and makes for a much better starter machine should a viewer be interested in buying one themselves.
@@shirothehero0609 Haas TM-1P new is like $35k but even stripped, it's MUCH more machine. The 1100 is close to $28k with the tool changer and no matter what, it's hard to make up for the differences in rigidity and slop, in the Tormach. I learned on a TM-2P and when I used an 1100, I was horrified. For my money, buy a used VMC. There are used Japanese machines with 6-8k hrs for the same money. If you can power it, don't waste your time with toy machines. That being said, you can do a lot with a Haas TM and it runs on single phase power. By starting on a full sized machine, it saved me tons of money to only buy tooling once. I already had really nice tool holders when it was time to move up from the TM-2. I just had to change some pull studs over, and my really nice hydraulic tool holders, ER chucks, and Sandvik face mills were ready to go. The women in this video seems really cool, but Titan is no doubt making money in sponsorship the same as Saunders. I'm not saying don't buy a Tormach, but get the other point of view before you lay down so much cash for what is a heavily modified chinese desktop mill.
I will file a complaint against this Tormach company through all the channels I use.
This is because I have not sent the product for more than 3 months without any reason for my order and there is no response to the refund request.
I hope that companies like this don't do that.
1st like
No boom I feel cheated 😞
It seems silly to run the 1100mx on 220v power when it only has a 2hp motor
My air compressor and shop vac are both rated at 5hp and only require 110v power
it also has servos for three or four axis plus motors can peak way above their power rating.
Typical 110v outlets are rated at 1500watts. 2hp = 1500 watts. With the additional load of the servos, controller etc.. I'm sure it hits 2000 watts +.
Not only that but 220v at the same power can use smaller, more flexible wire.
We all know the rating system on vacuums is "Instant Power" and not sustained power. 5 hp would need 3500 watts. Not happening from a 110v socket unless you're running a dangerous setup. Ie overloading the wire and outlet, installing higher than recommended breakers.
Have you ever touched the power cord of your vacuum and felt it to be hot? It happens to mine when I run it for more than a minute or two. Big fire hazard.
2hp is spindle alone power consumption... what about everything else?
@@jackflash6377 Nice explanation.
Not silly at all.
You always want to have a safety factor built in for any system and running it on 240 will give you a significant amount of extra headroom.
The wiring can only handle so much current and throwing a 2hp motor, 4 servos and control electronics will push past a single drop of 120v on 16awg pretty quick. The motor itself (at 240v) will push almost 7 amps. At 120v it will draw almost 13 amps! A 240v circuit will draw half the current than a 120v circuit and thus can more 'effectively' handle a higher, sustained load than a 120 will.
Also, your 5hp shop vac doesn't draw 5hp worth of power constantly. It CAN draw that much power if you're sucking up bowling balls, but I can promise you the wiring, motor and circuit can't handle that in a sustained fashion. P=IV , V=IR. Can't get away from Mr. Ohm.
Hope that helps explain.
(Also, Not trying to be jerk, truly trying to help explain)
Washing machines use 110v too 🤦♂️