A very nice performance ,one of my favorite Trovatores. She is in excellent form here ,and i think ,that ,as far as the quality of the recording is concerned ,is easier for us to have an idea about how large was this voice ,her unique beautiful opulence. Natural gift + incomparable, unique techique = one of the greatest singers of the century...
Impresionante Zinka Milanov, la mas grande leonora que he escuchado, trinos, pianisimos, legato, graves, medios y agudos de una belleza incomparable, su timbre voz único, realmente es de otra galaxia, escuchar tanta belleza y perfección hace que me enamore del trovador,
Zinka had some great moments during her first MET period 1937-47 & as fine as this Act 4 recit. & aria is, I still feel her studio recording after she returned to the MET of this aria in her complete recording with Bjorling is even better. Although she could sometimes be inconsistent in LIVE performances even during her very best years (1951-55), her studio recordings seldom, if ever, indicated this. In the studio TROVATORE her recitative before the Act 4 aria she sings a soft high b flat that, IMO, is her best in this moment followed by the aria which is memorable as well. Another studio recording of O PATRIA MIA from 1953 is also her very finest singing of this aria. These 2 examples mentioned here I would play first for anyone unfamiliar with her singing.
Her best years, '51 -'55?! You've got to be kidding! Fine wines improve with age, singers, quite the opposite, and Milanov was no exception. The '50s witnessed a steep, continuous decline in the size and the beauty of her voice.
@@photo161 I agree that she was better earlier on, but she never had a vocal crisis. That's a considerable achievement. She sang at a high standard through the 1950s.
Wow. After Callas, maybe the best performance I've ever heard of this scene. Milanov's only flaw is a lack of soul, but here she conveys a certain emotion. And the trills are absolutely dazzling.
I have to disagree about the "trill". She kinda gargles the note prior and "slides" into the sorta-trill -- however 3 other trills are pretty much absent. Wrong note sung "improvido le pe-NE" NE is an Ab - she sings a Bb and I assume self-corrects to the Ab --- the Bb is consonant to the key, so, it doesn't sound horrible - just not Verdi. The pp Bb is lovely in the following "impro-vi-DO" -- however That Bb *IS* supposed to resolve down to the Ab in the Fminor chord 😎😎😎
@@donaldlevine1420 "It"? Trill? Sing Leonora? Sing the correct notes? Etc.... Did I mention anything about the quality, or lack thereof, of my trill? Or desire/interest to sing Leonora? Irrespective - none of that has any bearing on my response. If you like it, that's Great. I've mentioned some thoughts/opinions I have. If you don't agree, also Great.
@@paragod333 Think what you like. I said regarding "knowledge". I did mention of number of things about the score of Trovatore. Those would be facts. Do I have opinions about art (music)? Yes. Do I call my opinions fact? No. I think that your age - 89, as you have said, may be affecting your ability to discern between facts and opinions. If you doubt my statements regarding specific notes in the score, please take a look at the score for Il Trovatore 😎😎😎
I think the tenor is Kurt Baum, there exists a live recording of the opera from the Met from 1945 with Milanov, Castagna, Baum, Warren and Moscona (five years later Baum, Warren and Moscona sang the opera in Mexico with Callas and Simionato).
@@BellaFirenze: Rosa Ponselle, who at age 21 and without ever having had a voice lesson nor appearing on an opera stage, created the role of Leonora in the Met premiere of "Forza" with Caruso in November 1918.
A very nice performance ,one of my favorite Trovatores.
She is in excellent form here ,and i think ,that ,as far as the quality of the recording is concerned ,is easier for us to have an idea about how large was this voice ,her unique beautiful opulence. Natural gift + incomparable, unique techique = one of the greatest singers of the century...
Impresionante Zinka Milanov, la mas grande leonora que he escuchado, trinos, pianisimos, legato, graves, medios y agudos de una belleza incomparable, su timbre voz único, realmente es de otra galaxia, escuchar tanta belleza y perfección hace que me enamore del trovador,
Amazing performance! Huge voice with incredible control and technical finesse.
maravillosa Zinka trinos maravillosos y legatto incomparable, comparables a los Callas y Caballe
Milanov e' distante anni luce dalla Caballe'. Dalla Callas poi non ne parliamo.
Zinka had some great moments during her first MET period 1937-47 & as fine as this Act 4 recit. & aria is, I still feel her studio recording after she returned to the MET of this aria in her complete recording with Bjorling is even better. Although she could sometimes be inconsistent in LIVE performances even during her very best years (1951-55), her studio recordings seldom, if ever, indicated this. In the studio TROVATORE her recitative before the Act 4 aria she sings a soft high b flat that, IMO, is her best in this moment followed by the aria which is memorable as well. Another studio recording of O PATRIA MIA from 1953 is also her very finest singing of this aria. These 2 examples mentioned here I would play first for anyone unfamiliar with her singing.
Her best years, '51 -'55?! You've got to be kidding! Fine wines improve with age, singers, quite the opposite, and Milanov was no exception. The '50s witnessed a steep, continuous decline in the size and the beauty of her voice.
@@photo161 I agree that she was better earlier on, but she never had a vocal crisis. That's a considerable achievement. She sang at a high standard through the 1950s.
Inmensa y única Zinka Milanov la más grande Leonora.
Voce e artista meravigliosa che rende giustizia a questo magnifico brano di Verdi e a tante altre parti di belcanto.
Maravillosa soprano
Wow. After Callas, maybe the best performance I've ever heard of this scene. Milanov's only flaw is a lack of soul, but here she conveys a certain emotion. And the trills are absolutely dazzling.
Unique!
Only listen to her Verdi Requiem under Toscanini from 1938 to experience Milanov in her full glory...
03:57 Milanov does a genuine trill! We don't get to hear that very often.
05:37 Heaven-like pianissimo. She literally pulled it out of thin air.
I have to disagree about the "trill". She kinda gargles the note prior and "slides" into the sorta-trill -- however 3 other trills are pretty much absent.
Wrong note sung "improvido le pe-NE" NE is an Ab - she sings a Bb and I assume self-corrects to the Ab --- the Bb is consonant to the key, so, it doesn't sound horrible - just not Verdi.
The pp Bb is lovely in the following "impro-vi-DO" -- however That Bb *IS* supposed to resolve down to the Ab in the Fminor chord
😎😎😎
Can you do it better? 🤔
@@donaldlevine1420
"It"?
Trill? Sing Leonora? Sing the correct notes? Etc....
Did I mention anything about the quality, or lack thereof, of my trill? Or desire/interest to sing Leonora?
Irrespective - none of that has any bearing on my response. If you like it, that's Great. I've mentioned some thoughts/opinions I have. If you don't agree, also Great.
@@rugby8-Philadelphia I think you're just trying to show off your so-called knowledge.
@@paragod333
Think what you like. I said regarding "knowledge". I did mention of number of things about the score of Trovatore. Those would be facts.
Do I have opinions about art (music)? Yes. Do I call my opinions fact? No.
I think that your age - 89, as you have said, may be affecting your ability to discern between facts and opinions.
If you doubt my statements regarding specific notes in the score, please take a look at the score for Il Trovatore
😎😎😎
Marvellous
The greatest Verdian of her time.
Absolutely
❤🌹❤️
So freakin awesome.
Nobody today comes close.
Another lie from you. Try again. Many have come close and even surpassed her. Try listening to Rosa Ponselle.
Destinn and Ponselle were superior. But, true when you say nobody "today" comes close.
Sounds like Kurt Baum there. Heard many Milanov performances... a few with Baum.
Oy Vey.
@unclelouie3828: The ‘Baum’ of her, and many sopranos, existence.
Un sogno.
Great Milanov...the best Leonora!
That would be Leontyne Price, in my opinion.
@@liedersanger1Ich zumindest bin froh, Zinka Milanov UND Leontyne Price hören zu können, zu dürfen.🙂
Perché non traducete dall’inglese?
With such a Leonora, that colour, Azucena must have been a Bass!!
Who is the Tenor????
I can't tell, but know the wonderful sound for sure!
I think the tenor is Kurt Baum, there exists a live recording of the opera from the Met from 1945 with Milanov, Castagna, Baum, Warren and Moscona (five years later Baum, Warren and Moscona sang the opera in Mexico with Callas and Simionato).
@@kbhprinsesse Thanks!!!!!!!!!!
@@familypondman yw :)
@SuperMagren A great Tenor, his middle voice is not so nice, a bit common, but his high notes for sure, so colourfulland with sound, thanks!!!!!!!
Was this a Met broadcast?
Is it true that the record in the photograph was a Callas record? I have heard this passed down by "fans".
That is not true! The photos were taken in the forties (Callas was still unknown) and Milanov here was demonstrating the quality of new LP records.
@@equinox6651 Great! Thanks for the clarification. It's amazing how the truth can get twisted to serve someone's agenda.
If you expand/increase the photo you can read “Cigna”. It is true that the photo was taken in the ‘40’s.
@Ruffiello: Grow up and quit spreading rumors you a**. It’s obviously a recording by NETREBKO and Milanov, as always, is ahead of her time! 😂❤️👍
Does she make a mistake at 5:11?
Yes, she skips to the second time around by accident.
What a lovely photo of Rosa Ponselle.
@Noack Somewhere Who?
@Noack Somewhere "...who's remain..." What does that mean?
@Noack Somewhere Your English is peculiar. Where are you from?
@Noack Somewhere Естественно! Спасибо.
@@BellaFirenze: Rosa Ponselle, who at age 21 and without ever having had a voice lesson nor appearing on an opera stage, created the role of Leonora in the Met premiere of "Forza" with Caruso in November 1918.
SELTSAMER TENOR
Ponselle sang and delivered this so much better and more believably than Milanov.
Ponselle didn't think so - read her book!
better, but not so much better. In some roles are comparable. Also, Milanov's pianissima are from another world.
So much rubato from the conductor!