For my 7700X, after letting it run for 2 hours, it just told me to do -30 on all cores which gave me much better all-core scores with lower power and temps. But I was reading online that you don't actually want to do that for your two best cores as it will actually pull their max frequency down because they can best use that extra voltage. But it would have been interesting to see what it was applying as the all-core voltage offset and if it was just a flat -30. Idk if he mentioned it or if not, why not.
@@sandmaster4444 I'm running a -30 curve optimizer offset on my 7700X. It runs much cooler than stock but can't keep 5.5GHz above 30% CPU usage and i actually lost 1-200 points in Cinebench R23. Still worth it in my opinion.
I almost cried watching it render that frame so quickly. I'm a 3D generalist and I've spent months of my life waiting for renders. Maybe some day I'll be able to afford $10,000 for a Threadripper. Sigh.
Why not GPU 3D rendering? My 4090 do VRay and IRay insanely fast, the only limitation is 24Gb VRAM... If u professional go RTX6000 and earn money for your work.
@@pav1u You need the money before you can make the money. Sometimes you're stuck and don't have that money on hand because you're still paying off all the previous shit you had to borrow money to buy in order to make the money you needed to pay back the money you didn't have.
Those are some great temps. Makes me want to go back in to see how much I can drop my voltages. _right now it's cranked up for stability, but I'm sure it definitely could be better._
I've been using a 7950x since release and only been using XMP to 6000mhz memory. Watched this video and out of curiosity wanted to check to see what AI optimized would do on my setup. Pre-AI Optimized I was capped out at 5.9Ghz and was frequently at the 95degree limit and scoring ~36000 in Cinebench. After AI Optimized I am now hitting 6GHZ, whilst staying under 94degrees and scoring ~38000 repeatedly.... Wow!
@@amosjovt Yea, no kidding! Been running it like this doing my usual workload and stable at around 74degrees. Workload is 2 VMware virtual machines, Visual studio, 4 chrome profiles + ~20-30 tabs total, discord, slack, webex, notepad++, VSCode. Possibly placebo but it does feel snappier when opening new apps. Reminds me more of my old i7-5930k that died finally after 7 years.
it seems a bit low, i am running 7950x3d with cheap air cooler, tdp locked at 125w and -15mV CCD0, -5mV CCD1 and my results in cinebench r23 are 36k, around 4.6-4.7ghz all cores and not exceeding 79degrees. 6000mhz cl30-40-40-96
@MrTiranei yea, I'm sure there is room for improvement. But considering it was just enabling AI optimized with XMP, I'm happy with the little bump in performance.
Great video. I know this is just test build for the Threadripper but on my main rig and whenever I’m doing overclocking I always put a “restart to bios” shortcut on the desktop. Saves a lot of time when you’re constantly rebooting, testing, rebooting, and your Delete key will thank you 😂
@@elonex777 Just create a shortcut on your desktop and the target is C:\Windows\System32\shutdown.exe /r /fw /f /t 0 that will restart and take you directly to BIOS.
@ant9387 Ok, but why when you can just hold down SHIFT when you click on Restart? Is there an advantage to using the shortcut, or is that just a personal preference?
@@NoMasters.Click start, click power, hold shift, click restart vs. double click shortcut. My “personal preference” is doing things faster if possible. But hey if you like doing things the long way, by all means 😂
For this kind of thing AI is amazing, extremely tedious tasks like spending hours optimizing core by core done automatically is amazing. Like I have a Ryzen 7 2700 and optimizing the voltage for it is boring enough I can barely imagine 64 cores individually.
takes all fun out of it. at that point they should all be auto overclocked out of box. no need for manual anything anymore. what happens when humans aren't the smartest creature on earth? muppet.
@@donatedflea You seem to be offended by something, the "fun part" of overclocking only applies to those who have the time to do it, just like me a lot of people don't have time for this anymore, a tool that I can leave doing this work overnight is incredible. And by the way, how would this "come from the factory" if they have no idea what components you are going to use? Overclocking is specific to your machine for this reason getting presets online doesn't work well most of the time. As for "being smarter" are you talking about AGI? Well this isn't one, it's an algorithm and it's as complex to an AGI as a worm is to you, so I don't see any reason to get upset about it.
@@donatedflea The most 'fun' you'll have optimizing modern chips like this is tuning memory. People seem to really misunderstand the "AI tuning" and you can always tweak the settings better yourself but margins are very thin. IMO the primary reason for manual tuning is to properly stabilize each core which the optimizer is still bad at. Otherwise you're right, that's how it'd be out of the box. Unfortunately this usually means settings on many cores don't end up nearly as aggressive. Memory however can still get improved dramatically over EXPO settings. Since latency is still such a factor on Ryzen, it can make a big difference. I think time is better spent here than painstakingly tweaking every core.
I'd love to see how well that 6hr AI tuned feature works. And we all love seeing you get out the boxes and duct tape to use the AC on it, c'mon Jay, you know you want too.
Voltage going up after the load ends is not for stability. It's because the VRMs are still sending long pulses to send 50+ amps to the vcore but suddenly there's no load. That's managed by load line calibration and VRM frequency. From no load to full load, the same thing happens but instead of spiking up, it spikes the voltage down. You also see 1.3v because you are not hitting a power limit so the CPU clock increases which requires extra voltage.
I had once the AI work so good on my gigabyte mobo, it did much better than I did and all with one click. And then they released a new BIOS version which was meant to improve the AI even more and so I updated and it completely ruined everything, havent used it since
Had a friend who uses some asus bullshit AI crap and he got problems. I would never use it. Keep the bios stock besides xmp and fan speed. No hassle no worries.
@@Djuntas If you are a gamer, enthusiast or if it is just hobby - no problem playing around. If it is a machine for actual work - I leave it all stock. Because then I simply need absolutely rock-solid. If I need it faster - I have my employer buy an overall faster machine (which of course is no problem since even a very expensive machine is nothing compared to wages for time spent waiting).
About the memory training: i own a 7800X3D and a Gigabyte X670 Aorus Elite AX with 6000mhz Corsair ram cl30 (expo activated) and it boot very very fast... I never had issues. I read in forums Asus have the most issues with memory training...
All the issues he has is Asus because the memory feature he explained has never been supported by Asus even though the option is in bios while gigabyte supports it by default. ASRock and MSI also use it but it's off by default.
"Turn the knob up on the voltage and push the clock even higher" yeah in my experience with AI overclocking stuff it usually does the former and pushes the clocks way lower instead lol.
Restart issues with AMD always come down to motherboard makers cheaping out and not fully implementing the specification for restart. AMD need to force MOBO makers hands and not supply support chipsets until the MB has been certified.
Yep, this AI crap can burn your 5000$ and turning it on = warranty removal. I'm not even sure is 1.5V max VID voltages (18:22) healthy for modern silicon.
don't you love it when somebody starts off like, WRONG! high enough voltage will degrade your CPU over time, and if it is high enough, that time will be very short.@@falsevacuum1988
@Yowise well at least 15 years ago, i was an extreme overclocker (dryice and ln2) from Pentium 4 and Athlon64 era and even then they had some protections, not too much but enough to not let it burn from voltage and/or temps..silicon was so much more stretchable and better built, you could buy a weaker model and overclock it to match the better cpu at the time if you really knew what to do.. now its almost impossible to kill hardware from overclocking, no matter if its gpus or cpus or ram etc..
@Yowise don't be naive and learn in the process, cpu or gpu won't burn from any kind of oc under the normal power utilization, what isn't an argument? whats the question?
For my 24/7 95% all-core load workload, I just enable XMP Tweaked memory timing preset and AI Overclock. Absolutely stable. 5.30 Ghz on the good die cores and 5.1 Ghz on the mediocre die cores on my 7950X. Temps stay under the 95° C. limit. The Asus AI Overclock is so simple and painless, no reason not to use it. I don't have any issues restarting or rebooting my host. Boots in seconds every time. 6000 CL36 G. Skill memory. Would have expected the same result on the Zen 4 Threadrippers as Jay found out.
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I've had a $179 Kraken 280 at home for a few months. The cooling performance is amazing. Cools even Ryzen 9 just fine 👍
@jay AFAIK the Asus AI Tuner takes the cooler performance into consideration, and you had a monster one, which might explain the excellent results. Also, you had PBO on, but +200 FMax and CO still remain to be explored, perhaps on the future 7970X review you hinted at? Excellent job nonetheless.
2:09 sorry jay😞, I don’t have a pc nor I can afford to buy something from ur store. By the way I’m the only nerd from all the people i know including friends and family, it is really unfortunate to have a passion and no one shares it with u. All the love to PC nerds out there ❤❤
one thing i would like to say, what iF AI optimizer uses a feature in ryzen board that "HELPS TO GET EXTRA BENCHMARK SCORE" there is a setting in BIOS for such.
Asus AI OC is just awesome, it set my 13700k on 6.1 Ghz on all P-Cores and 5.8 Ghz on the E-Cores, while keeping a voltage of 1.120 while the temps reach 80-85°C under full load (it's fully maxed out), idle around 28-35°C. The performance gain is just nuts! Custo watercooling btw. And tbh, such an awesome OC result so quickly is a dream come true!
5:00 i hope those power saving options with manual voltages, trickle down into the other mainstream cpu's. seems like another easy way for AMD to increase efficiency
Even though I'm not tech savvy, I love watching your videos!! Thanks to your videos and some other youtubers (but mainly you), I got the confidence to build my first rig. Once again, Thank you!!
Get a aquarium chiller and do an overclock with subzero temps. So its not gonna reach liquid nitrogen levels cold but you can sustain a longer over clock compared to liquid nitrogen as that tends to be short lived. Contrast that with an aquarium chiller which uses say 52 gallons of water which is chilled down to what ever temp you set it to. That large volume of water in my opinion would require significant large amounts of heated water to be passed into the cooler water to raise overall temp. Once that temp starts to rise the chiller would begin to cool. Then the issue becomes is this beast powerful enough to heat the water beyond its initial starting temp and if so by how much. You should challenge Steve!🤓 Plus would be cool to see how you go about insulating the mother board and stuff. Oooo, Oooooo you could even do a hermetically sealed case. OMG, that might have just blown your mind a case with no air flow!
Damn, I just got the Silicone Lottery, I think. I decided to wait for the 8000 series AMD CPUs and I had the 3900X. Yesterday I bought for $289 the 5900X. I got it with Ryzen Master for gaming to do 4.940 GHz on 2 cores with default voltage and setting in the BIOS. Then I did what I like most. I went in the BIOS and with 1.167V I got 4.6 all core and for 1.2565 I got 4.7 GHz all core. My temps don't even go above 60C...I got Cinebench 23,197 multicore...Funny thing is that I could get stable 4.8 all core at 1.334v but because the safe all core all day long is 1.3V max, I decided to go with the 4.7 which has made an obvious upgrade from my 3900x
Jay why don’t you get thermocouples for over clocking if the score decrease is that big of an issues? Even an external thermocouple with a hvac controller / meter like a fieldpiece temp meter. I do hvac and believe me theirs plenty of options.
Jay you mentioned that the desktop and thread ripper are the same chiplets. That is correct for the cores. But the memory controller is on the io die. Which is different.
I have to agree with what's brought up at 9:04! I recently had to deal with a software update that made Windows 10 UNBOOTABLE on a Ryzen 9 7950X based PC. After trying a couple of quick fixes that failed, I was eventually forced to restore a backup image that, fortunately, was only a couple of days "out of date." But before I was ACTUALLY able to restore said backup image, I dealt with my Windows PE based USB rescue media crashing every time after it booted! I finally figured out that, for whatever reason, the overclock settings that worked fine for months on Windows 10 couldn't be used for this Windows PE rescue environment, so I had to use the "optimized default" settings in the UEFI! Ugh!
On my last build (end of 2018), I actually let my Asus board do its own overclocking. First time I let this happen, and it was pretty good, so I just left it since. Never had a game crash because of that. If anything, certain games will crash from my GPU undervolt. I have two undervolt settings, and the more aggressive one passed every benchmark test I threw at it (and I them for hours upon hours over the course of a few days), but some games just don't care, so I end up having to use the more conservative settings instead for those.
FWIW, Jay, my i7 10750H does the same thing your Threadripper's doing when modifying the BIOS. It's not just an AMD thing. Intels can do it, too. (My laptop is an Asus ROG, BTW...so maybe it's an Asus thing)
Thanks for this great video as first guide for OC of TR7. Unfortunately, some of Your steps were shown so fast, that I didn´t quite get the final message. Was 121.000p achieved with simply setting Memory to AI and CPU to AI in BIOS without PBO and without any additional tweaks ? Maybe You can add some table of Your final settings with which You achieved the best results ? Thanks
10:02 he set ram to stock/auto, set core ratio ai optimized for 121,000 (he also changed thermal throttle temp and maxed fan speed, but didn't note any other changes)
I have a strange thing happening with my 5900X. First processor I had failed, it wouldn't passthrough video. AMD replaced it. The new processor I have works fine, except the 4th core, gets way hotter than all of the rest. Most will be around 70C, but this core will hit 86C. So I did a manual overclocking, and made that core stay at 3700mhz while the rest are allowed to go to 4.4 or 4.5 on an all core overclock...except mr hothead # 4. I'm thinking it's an air bubble in the TIM on top of the silicon between the heat spreader. Your thoughts?
@@lunsmann I've done that several times... I think it is the gallium between the silicon and the heat spreader. Not between my aio and the heat spreader.
I love my kraken 360 elite it’s a great pump that keeps my i7 14700k nice and cool. Under load it never exceeds 120 degrees F not C. And it looks amazing as well it was worth the price imo
I'm on the fence to order shirt as not sure if xl or 2xl would be to small as I'm 6'2 230 lbs and and usually between xl or 2xl but I'm euro and afraid there might be some difference in US XL and Euro XL? Anyway amazing content as always Jay, Nic and Phil and if you guys make a T-shirt with all 3 of you on it I think it will sell like hot cakes!!
Hey, I wanted to ask a question since I just got my PC parts in today. I got a i9 cpu and going to pair it with a rx 580 for now since I'm going to wait till next year to get the rtx 4090, will there be a problem with that pair?
Jay trashing AMD while trying to set benchmarking record... I've had Ryzen for 4 years, went from 3800x to 5800x3d and never had any problems (other when I tried to follow some youtubers tips on overclocking the 3800x). Boots fast, runs stable, kicks the snot out of any game I run. Either Jay has the worlds worst luck, or he's running too close to the overclocking edge on his rig, or I won the cpu lottery.
So what your saying Jay is that AMD needs to design a thread ripper board that has this chip on it PLUS a socket for the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D. This way we get unrivaled performance for thread ripper stuff and awesome gaming all in one board!😅
I am curious what brand of memory you are running. I have 0 luck on any of my Ryzen systems with XMP and Corsair Ram. Swap in Gskill and change nothing else and it will be off and running no problems for years with XMP enabled.
Agreed with the amd comment. I’m using a 5950x on an x570 ace board and the number of times I get a 22 error code on the display when I boot up is insane
Hey jay, I don’t think you can launch something on day one with a discount. I think it has to be original price first. I could be wrong but I think it’s a legal thing. Don’t personally care, just don’t want you in trouble! ❤
you got a second channel for phil's test video? or drop it on here? real application, not just benchmarks and overclocks. i'm thinking what i would throw into this cpu. some unreal engine lightmap baking for a mega size map, maybe. or a large batch of HQ texture compression. or some physic simulations for vfx or game assets. hmm. 64c/128t is alot, a casual gamer and hobby creator doesn't necessarily need. yo
Please do the infamous Air conditioner with cardboard. It would be very interesting to see if Ai will perform better OR worse. I suspect the latter for now.
can confirm, was not a great place to spend time in. but i still want a live show with you guys. hopefully an idea that makes sense to you all will come up.@@Jayztwocents
5:10 My personal testing on cpus (no threadripper because I'm not rich) is that setting a manual voltage will result in only slightly increased power draw at idle (On my current system it's a difference of 26w idle to 28-29w idle). I guess if that scales, on a 64 core that would be 16-24w extra idle power, which is a little less negligible... 14:30 I wish I had some of that AI overclocking...
Well .... my 5800X3D works fine with - 30 at all cores which is already the maximum in Bios/ Curve Optimiser which i can use , per Core makes no sense because ... i cant set a Value less than negative 30 .
same, mine can even undervolt a little more, but i kept it at stock to avoid any clock stretch, -30co on these does the trick, 4450 all core all workloads, 4550 for 2 cores.
@@MK-xc9to i have same results, however, try to run prime95 small and look at each core to see if any is streatching, and i bet you they will...it depends on workload, cinebench is little compared to p95 small allcore..
In 5 or 10 years time it'll be nice to buy one of these 2nd hand that's just been used as a server or something (i.e not overclocked and abused). Hopefully by then the cost will be hundreds and not thousands for a cpu etc.
The performance seem so hillarious until you see the closest Ryzen in the list is an ancient 1700X. They really should show more recent system speed compares in the list when you DL Cinebench. I really doubt that the Pricetag on that TR 7 64c system will show it to be worth all that money to go for vs a Ryzen 9 7950 system unless you really need some serious perf 24/7 and money isn't an issue.
Watched this one i guess 5 times and burned one 5950x brandnew - than went with the second 5950x in AI OC and just raised the multiplier...44x - it gives me a variable VCore of 1.22 to 1,228 Volts - makes at full load all cores round about 62 C at 24 C enviroment temp. i changed nothing else than just the multiplier... i guess the voltage could be adjusted more down to 1.2 . it´s amazing how good it works on an Ausus Strix B550-A Gaming Board - now i am aiming the 4,7 allCore :) anyhow i was also faceddown by this KI work - :))
Saturday is the end of yalls black friday/cyber monday sale? How you gonna have a cyber monday sale and not let it go through monday? or was this video posted early?
Are you ever NOT going to use Asus? Kind of weird you jumped on the crowd of hating Asus and even putting a video out saying I will not work with them anymore yet you still use their motherboards in every project and video. When will you finally use another brand and actually see what else is there?
Hey, I’ve got a question about RAM and would be very thankful if anybody could help me 😅 The webpage of Intel says, that the i9-14900K has a max memory bandwidth of 5600 MT/s with DDR5. Does it make sense to buy a RAM with clock of 7200 MHz? Is MT/s and MHz the same? When Intels and AMDs best (consumer) CPUs on the market only support RAM speeds of around 5500 MT/s, why are the RAM modules with over 7000 MHz?
Running 2x32 gskill 6400 cl32 on 13900k with no issues. Check the motherboard for compatible ram modules. Say you ran an i5-12400 on a B660 mobo, 3200Mhz is supported (MIGHT be able to overclock it to 3466) though a z690 motherboard may be able to go to 3600Mhz.. change to a K chip and now xmp will overclock your ram up to whatever is listed on the motherboard (6000+++)
Ai optimizers also should have some parameters y could tweak like temp limit. As person i cant really say is ai optimized profile good for long run. I really would not want to get expensive cpu bricked.
Please do the 6 hour AI per core overclock thing and see what the result is
Yes please!
And to pad out the video, may as well see how high you can get the score with AC too.
For my 7700X, after letting it run for 2 hours, it just told me to do -30 on all cores which gave me much better all-core scores with lower power and temps. But I was reading online that you don't actually want to do that for your two best cores as it will actually pull their max frequency down because they can best use that extra voltage.
But it would have been interesting to see what it was applying as the all-core voltage offset and if it was just a flat -30. Idk if he mentioned it or if not, why not.
I want to see a game benchmark or two at that too
@@sandmaster4444 I'm running a -30 curve optimizer offset on my 7700X. It runs much cooler than stock but can't keep 5.5GHz above 30% CPU usage and i actually lost 1-200 points in Cinebench R23. Still worth it in my opinion.
I was thinking the same!
Please do
I almost cried watching it render that frame so quickly. I'm a 3D generalist and I've spent months of my life waiting for renders. Maybe some day I'll be able to afford $10,000 for a Threadripper. Sigh.
Hoping for ur success man! Good luck
Why not GPU 3D rendering? My 4090 do VRay and IRay insanely fast, the only limitation is 24Gb VRAM... If u professional go RTX6000 and earn money for your work.
@@falsevacuum1988 some software uses both, and often u lack cpu power
if you can't afford it to make more money...your in the wrong area and should be making a lot more than 10k over time.
@@pav1u You need the money before you can make the money. Sometimes you're stuck and don't have that money on hand because you're still paying off all the previous shit you had to borrow money to buy in order to make the money you needed to pay back the money you didn't have.
Those are some great temps.
Makes me want to go back in to see how much I can drop my voltages.
_right now it's cranked up for stability, but I'm sure it definitely could be better._
I've been using a 7950x since release and only been using XMP to 6000mhz memory. Watched this video and out of curiosity wanted to check to see what AI optimized would do on my setup. Pre-AI Optimized I was capped out at 5.9Ghz and was frequently at the 95degree limit and scoring ~36000 in Cinebench. After AI Optimized I am now hitting 6GHZ, whilst staying under 94degrees and scoring ~38000 repeatedly.... Wow!
Shit that is Nice!
@@amosjovt Yea, no kidding! Been running it like this doing my usual workload and stable at around 74degrees. Workload is 2 VMware virtual machines, Visual studio, 4 chrome profiles + ~20-30 tabs total, discord, slack, webex, notepad++, VSCode. Possibly placebo but it does feel snappier when opening new apps. Reminds me more of my old i7-5930k that died finally after 7 years.
it seems a bit low, i am running 7950x3d with cheap air cooler, tdp locked at 125w and -15mV CCD0, -5mV CCD1 and my results in cinebench r23 are 36k, around 4.6-4.7ghz all cores and not exceeding 79degrees. 6000mhz cl30-40-40-96
@MrTiranei yea, I'm sure there is room for improvement. But considering it was just enabling AI optimized with XMP, I'm happy with the little bump in performance.
That score is a bit low? Isnt it? if its r22
Great video. I know this is just test build for the Threadripper but on my main rig and whenever I’m doing overclocking I always put a “restart to bios” shortcut on the desktop. Saves a lot of time when you’re constantly rebooting, testing, rebooting, and your Delete key will thank you 😂
Yo can do that😮😮😮
Indeed please explain how to do that
@@elonex777 Just create a shortcut on your desktop and the target is C:\Windows\System32\shutdown.exe /r /fw /f /t 0 that will restart and take you directly to BIOS.
@ant9387 Ok, but why when you can just hold down SHIFT when you click on Restart? Is there an advantage to using the shortcut, or is that just a personal preference?
@@NoMasters.Click start, click power, hold shift, click restart vs. double click shortcut. My “personal preference” is doing things faster if possible. But hey if you like doing things the long way, by all means 😂
For this kind of thing AI is amazing, extremely tedious tasks like spending hours optimizing core by core done automatically is amazing.
Like I have a Ryzen 7 2700 and optimizing the voltage for it is boring enough I can barely imagine 64 cores individually.
takes all fun out of it. at that point they should all be auto overclocked out of box. no need for manual anything anymore. what happens when humans aren't the smartest creature on earth? muppet.
@@donatedflea You seem to be offended by something, the "fun part" of overclocking only applies to those who have the time to do it, just like me a lot of people don't have time for this anymore, a tool that I can leave doing this work overnight is incredible.
And by the way, how would this "come from the factory" if they have no idea what components you are going to use? Overclocking is specific to your machine for this reason getting presets online doesn't work well most of the time.
As for "being smarter" are you talking about AGI? Well this isn't one, it's an algorithm and it's as complex to an AGI as a worm is to you, so I don't see any reason to get upset about it.
@@donatedflea The most 'fun' you'll have optimizing modern chips like this is tuning memory. People seem to really misunderstand the "AI tuning" and you can always tweak the settings better yourself but margins are very thin. IMO the primary reason for manual tuning is to properly stabilize each core which the optimizer is still bad at. Otherwise you're right, that's how it'd be out of the box. Unfortunately this usually means settings on many cores don't end up nearly as aggressive.
Memory however can still get improved dramatically over EXPO settings. Since latency is still such a factor on Ryzen, it can make a big difference. I think time is better spent here than painstakingly tweaking every core.
@@donatedfleahave fun doing this shit 64 times, I'll take the AI
I've never overclocked but I totally would if AI could do it for me, but at that point, why not have companies OC optimize the card out of the box?
I'd love to see how well that 6hr AI tuned feature works.
And we all love seeing you get out the boxes and duct tape to use the AC on it, c'mon Jay, you know you want too.
Voltage going up after the load ends is not for stability. It's because the VRMs are still sending long pulses to send 50+ amps to the vcore but suddenly there's no load. That's managed by load line calibration and VRM frequency. From no load to full load, the same thing happens but instead of spiking up, it spikes the voltage down.
You also see 1.3v because you are not hitting a power limit so the CPU clock increases which requires extra voltage.
Out of pure curiosity... What if you set up the ac debauchery and allowed the per core 6hr ai overclock to run under those conditions? Sounds fun lol
As someone who runs an AC debauchery setup sometimes on my own system for overclocking, as well during the summer, I would love to see this too. lol
@@TimothyStovall108 There is something very satisfying about going mad scientist on your PC 🍻
I had once the AI work so good on my gigabyte mobo, it did much better than I did and all with one click. And then they released a new BIOS version which was meant to improve the AI even more and so I updated and it completely ruined everything, havent used it since
Hopefully you saved the settings and reverted back to previous BIOS to restore the AI settings from file
Had a friend who uses some asus bullshit AI crap and he got problems. I would never use it. Keep the bios stock besides xmp and fan speed. No hassle no worries.
I highly suspect all those per core AI bios optimizers are essentially just the algorithms used in Ryzen Master.
@@Djuntas If you are a gamer, enthusiast or if it is just hobby - no problem playing around.
If it is a machine for actual work - I leave it all stock. Because then I simply need absolutely rock-solid.
If I need it faster - I have my employer buy an overall faster machine (which of course is no problem since even a very expensive machine is nothing compared to wages for time spent waiting).
@@thisiswaytoocomplicated I wish my managers would understand this concept...but noooooo
Please do the 6 hour per core AI thing you mentioned. Very interested to see what it comes up with & your analysis/break down of it.
About the memory training: i own a 7800X3D and a Gigabyte X670 Aorus Elite AX with 6000mhz Corsair ram cl30 (expo activated) and it boot very very fast... I never had issues. I read in forums Asus have the most issues with memory training...
All the issues he has is Asus because the memory feature he explained has never been supported by Asus even though the option is in bios while gigabyte supports it by default. ASRock and MSI also use it but it's off by default.
@@sirmonkey1985 Then i choosed well with the Gigabyte 😉
Yessssssssss- I am also curious as to the result if you do the 6 hour curve optimizer.
Please do the 6 hours AI overclock and redo it with the AC to see the difference
"Turn the knob up on the voltage and push the clock even higher" yeah in my experience with AI overclocking stuff it usually does the former and pushes the clocks way lower instead lol.
Same here. Asus has done that for ages!
JayzTwoCents is always the first place I look when talking about overclocking.
Ordered my gaming mat today can't wait for it to arrive here in the uk
Restart issues with AMD always come down to motherboard makers cheaping out and not fully implementing the specification for restart. AMD need to force MOBO makers hands and not supply support chipsets until the MB has been certified.
It’s true AI OC software can do a pretty good job of OCing it pretty close to the max. Although I would not trust it to set the voltage.
Yep, this AI crap can burn your 5000$ and turning it on = warranty removal. I'm not even sure is 1.5V max VID voltages (18:22) healthy for modern silicon.
@@falsevacuum1988 wrong, nothing these days can burn from voltage, it has a lot of protections before that..and it will shut down
don't you love it when somebody starts off like, WRONG! high enough voltage will degrade your CPU over time, and if it is high enough, that time will be very short.@@falsevacuum1988
@Yowise well at least 15 years ago, i was an extreme overclocker (dryice and ln2) from Pentium 4 and Athlon64 era and even then they had some protections, not too much but enough to not let it burn from voltage and/or temps..silicon was so much more stretchable and better built, you could buy a weaker model and overclock it to match the better cpu at the time if you really knew what to do.. now its almost impossible to kill hardware from overclocking, no matter if its gpus or cpus or ram etc..
@Yowise don't be naive and learn in the process, cpu or gpu won't burn from any kind of oc under the normal power utilization, what isn't an argument? whats the question?
For my 24/7 95% all-core load workload, I just enable XMP Tweaked memory timing preset and AI Overclock. Absolutely stable. 5.30 Ghz on the good die cores and 5.1 Ghz on the mediocre die cores on my 7950X. Temps stay under the 95° C. limit. The Asus AI Overclock is so simple and painless, no reason not to use it. I don't have any issues restarting or rebooting my host. Boots in seconds every time. 6000 CL36 G. Skill memory. Would have expected the same result on the Zen 4 Threadrippers as Jay found out.
I've had a $179 Kraken 280 at home for a few months. The cooling performance is amazing. Cools even Ryzen 9 just fine 👍
@jay AFAIK the Asus AI Tuner takes the cooler performance into consideration, and you had a monster one, which might explain the excellent results.
Also, you had PBO on, but +200 FMax and CO still remain to be explored, perhaps on the future 7970X review you hinted at?
Excellent job nonetheless.
Replaying the video, I see now that you switched PBO from Enabled back to Auto before enabling the AI tuner.
That’s an important detail.
14:34 The VddSoc voltage is set to 1.15, not 1.5 as stated. Not criticising, just clarifying.
1.5 would blow up the socket 😂, thank goodness it isn't there
2:09 sorry jay😞, I don’t have a pc nor I can afford to buy something from ur store. By the way I’m the only nerd from all the people i know including friends and family, it is really unfortunate to have a passion and no one shares it with u. All the love to PC nerds out there ❤❤
Love Nick's crab walk 😂
"...SHUT UUUP!" 😂 that cracked me, had to replay it several times😅
one thing i would like to say, what iF AI optimizer uses a feature in ryzen board that "HELPS TO GET EXTRA BENCHMARK SCORE" there is a setting in BIOS for such.
I'd honestly love to see if you can delid the cpu and cool it with a custom mount and see what scores you can get then
With an intro like that, I fully expect this video to boil down to some kind of cautionary tale ending with multiple fire extinguishers.
Asus AI OC is just awesome, it set my 13700k on 6.1 Ghz on all P-Cores and 5.8 Ghz on the E-Cores, while keeping a voltage of 1.120 while the temps reach 80-85°C under full load (it's fully maxed out), idle around 28-35°C. The performance gain is just nuts! Custo watercooling btw.
And tbh, such an awesome OC result so quickly is a dream come true!
5.8ghz e cores and 1.1 voltage?
Manual OC is crazy Jay!
Nick showing the shirt is worth the like on itself. But and always, a great video.
Peace and long life! 🖖
5:00 i hope those power saving options with manual voltages, trickle down into the other mainstream cpu's. seems like another easy way for AMD to increase efficiency
That CPU draws more power than my entire setup while playing 2077.
You can see Jays realisation creeping up on him. "It took my job!!!"
Even though I'm not tech savvy, I love watching your videos!! Thanks to your videos and some other youtubers (but mainly you), I got the confidence to build my first rig. Once again, Thank you!!
Get a aquarium chiller and do an overclock with subzero temps. So its not gonna reach liquid nitrogen levels cold but you can sustain a longer over clock compared to liquid nitrogen as that tends to be short lived.
Contrast that with an aquarium chiller which uses say 52 gallons of water which is chilled down to what ever temp you set it to. That large volume of water in my opinion would require significant large amounts of heated water to be passed into the cooler water to raise overall temp. Once that temp starts to rise the chiller would begin to cool. Then the issue becomes is this beast powerful enough to heat the water beyond its initial starting temp and if so by how much. You should challenge Steve!🤓
Plus would be cool to see how you go about insulating the mother board and stuff.
Oooo, Oooooo you could even do a hermetically sealed case. OMG, that might have just blown your mind a case with no air flow!
Damn, I just got the Silicone Lottery, I think. I decided to wait for the 8000 series AMD CPUs and I had the 3900X. Yesterday I bought for $289 the 5900X. I got it with Ryzen Master for gaming to do 4.940 GHz on 2 cores with default voltage and setting in the BIOS. Then I did what I like most. I went in the BIOS and with 1.167V I got 4.6 all core and for 1.2565 I got 4.7 GHz all core. My temps don't even go above 60C...I got Cinebench 23,197 multicore...Funny thing is that I could get stable 4.8 all core at 1.334v but because the safe all core all day long is 1.3V max, I decided to go with the 4.7 which has made an obvious upgrade from my 3900x
its not golden sample btw, its quiet usual results.
When doing any advertising also state the amount of volume to calculate with for the SFX comunity.
Jay why don’t you get thermocouples for over clocking if the score decrease is that big of an issues? Even an external thermocouple with a hvac controller / meter like a fieldpiece temp meter. I do hvac and believe me theirs plenty of options.
Can't wait for a direct-die block for this thing, and see what people can get out of threadripper, with even lower temps!
I'm quite happy to realize that my " Xeon x5675" 6 core 12 threads CPU from 2011 runs at 5Ghz at all cores (Overclocked)
I am interested to see something rip through encoding as I do video editing myself.
Jay you mentioned that the desktop and thread ripper are the same chiplets. That is correct for the cores. But the memory controller is on the io die. Which is different.
i got a JTC ad on a JTC video and wasn't sure it was the video or not until my autoskipper skipped it.
You know what you MUST do Jay you need to bring the Air Conditioner and Curve Optimizer
I have to agree with what's brought up at 9:04! I recently had to deal with a software update that made Windows 10 UNBOOTABLE on a Ryzen 9 7950X based PC. After trying a couple of quick fixes that failed, I was eventually forced to restore a backup image that, fortunately, was only a couple of days "out of date." But before I was ACTUALLY able to restore said backup image, I dealt with my Windows PE based USB rescue media crashing every time after it booted! I finally figured out that, for whatever reason, the overclock settings that worked fine for months on Windows 10 couldn't be used for this Windows PE rescue environment, so I had to use the "optimized default" settings in the UEFI! Ugh!
Cybermonday sale that ends 2 days BEFORE Cybermonday... Makes sense....
On my last build (end of 2018), I actually let my Asus board do its own overclocking. First time I let this happen, and it was pretty good, so I just left it since. Never had a game crash because of that. If anything, certain games will crash from my GPU undervolt. I have two undervolt settings, and the more aggressive one passed every benchmark test I threw at it (and I them for hours upon hours over the course of a few days), but some games just don't care, so I end up having to use the more conservative settings instead for those.
How do you make AI overclock your CPU?
FWIW, Jay, my i7 10750H does the same thing your Threadripper's doing when modifying the BIOS. It's not just an AMD thing. Intels can do it, too. (My laptop is an Asus ROG, BTW...so maybe it's an Asus thing)
Thanks for this great video as first guide for OC of TR7. Unfortunately, some of Your steps were shown so fast, that I didn´t quite get the final message. Was 121.000p achieved with simply setting Memory to AI and CPU to AI in BIOS without PBO and without any additional tweaks ? Maybe You can add some table of Your final settings with which You achieved the best results ? Thanks
10:02 he set ram to stock/auto, set core ratio ai optimized for 121,000 (he also changed thermal throttle temp and maxed fan speed, but didn't note any other changes)
9:57 wth is this bios, feels like you're about to boot into windows 95 or 98. Damn this BIOS looks so basic compared to the others nowdays!
Wow. Thanks for these very informative videos.
That CB23 score is so high, I no longer have any desire to test my current nor future CPUs with it!😅
@13:28 AI really IS taking all of our jobs!! 🤣
I have a strange thing happening with my 5900X. First processor I had failed, it wouldn't passthrough video. AMD replaced it. The new processor I have works fine, except the 4th core, gets way hotter than all of the rest. Most will be around 70C, but this core will hit 86C. So I did a manual overclocking, and made that core stay at 3700mhz while the rest are allowed to go to 4.4 or 4.5 on an all core overclock...except mr hothead # 4. I'm thinking it's an air bubble in the TIM on top of the silicon between the heat spreader. Your thoughts?
I think the only way you can eliminate that possibility is to redo the thermal paste.
@@lunsmann I've done that several times... I think it is the gallium between the silicon and the heat spreader. Not between my aio and the heat spreader.
@@squishy312 aha - that is way out of my knowledgebase and skill set. Hope you can find a workable solution.
Is it possible to delid the cpu and try watercooling the full die directly?
Would love to see that video if it is possible :-D
Just curious, how does a Cyber Monday sale end before Cyber Monday?
Just to let you know, usually Jay's videos come out on Sunday. Kind of weird to see it on Saturday
oh ok, that's what i was thinking. might have slipped out early lol@@deadhomer8468
I love how Jayz's loop can handle 600W+ at 67°C max...
Tuning memory to the limit on this must take weeks. If every failed timings change is a 6 minute boot? Daaaaaaaamn
I could hear you eyerolling as you had to record that censor dub lol
I love my kraken 360 elite it’s a great pump that keeps my i7 14700k nice and cool. Under load it never exceeds 120 degrees F not C. And it looks amazing as well it was worth the price imo
I say you ask Nic to 3D print a stand for that thing and put the A/C to it through the radiators.
I'm on the fence to order shirt as not sure if xl or 2xl would be to small as I'm 6'2 230 lbs and and usually between xl or 2xl but I'm euro and afraid there might be some difference in US XL and Euro XL?
Anyway amazing content as always Jay, Nic and Phil and if you guys make a T-shirt with all 3 of you on it I think it will sell like hot cakes!!
jay im saying that cryo fuze cooler master you would be amazed
Hey, I wanted to ask a question since I just got my PC parts in today. I got a i9 cpu and going to pair it with a rx 580 for now since I'm going to wait till next year to get the rtx 4090, will there be a problem with that pair?
Pc parts picker
My 5700x used to do the restart derp every time but weirdly it stopped when I OC'd my memory and got timings down to 14-14-14-24 @ 3600MT/s. 🤷♂️
We need the per core overclock please give that a try
I want a crab walking Nick Shirt now.
Jay trashing AMD while trying to set benchmarking record... I've had Ryzen for 4 years, went from 3800x to 5800x3d and never had any problems (other when I tried to follow some youtubers tips on overclocking the 3800x). Boots fast, runs stable, kicks the snot out of any game I run. Either Jay has the worlds worst luck, or he's running too close to the overclocking edge on his rig, or I won the cpu lottery.
Jay, you answered your own question! Let’s put the ac on this and let it rip
Just a reminder the memory controller is on the SOC
So what your saying Jay is that AMD needs to design a thread ripper board that has this chip on it PLUS a socket for the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D. This way we get unrivaled performance for thread ripper stuff and awesome gaming all in one board!😅
There goes 1/2 of Jay's content videos here now! 🤭
I am curious what brand of memory you are running. I have 0 luck on any of my Ryzen systems with XMP and Corsair Ram. Swap in Gskill and change nothing else and it will be off and running no problems for years with XMP enabled.
I would love to see the results of the Video encoding.
Agreed with the amd comment. I’m using a 5950x on an x570 ace board and the number of times I get a 22 error code on the display when I boot up is insane
I liked how you said “boost tit” and sounded confused 😂😂
AI is taking Jayz job as well 😂
1:59 did you say sunday is the last day of the black friday/cyber monday sale? 😂
Hey jay, I don’t think you can launch something on day one with a discount. I think it has to be original price first. I could be wrong but I think it’s a legal thing. Don’t personally care, just don’t want you in trouble! ❤
Medium Load Boostit
What the rest of the world sees: Boost-it
What Jay sees: 8008$ +i+
you got a second channel for phil's test video? or drop it on here? real application, not just benchmarks and overclocks. i'm thinking what i would throw into this cpu. some unreal engine lightmap baking for a mega size map, maybe. or a large batch of HQ texture compression. or some physic simulations for vfx or game assets. hmm. 64c/128t is alot, a casual gamer and hobby creator doesn't necessarily need. yo
Please do the infamous Air conditioner with cardboard. It would be very interesting to see if Ai will perform better OR worse. I suspect the latter for now.
No Jay it's got more te do with the motherboard that being Asus !
Man, a 64 core cpu going past 5 ghz all core is just nuts to me. I remember thinking 14 core xeons going past 3 ghz was blazing fast
Where did the RTFM show go?
It went away after he failed to RTFM when he built the new PC in his "Our new camera caused us to need a new edit rig!" video.
I dont have twitter so i didnt see any announcements about this but are you guys not doing the rtfm show anymore I love that show
No, we are not. Low viewership and high negativity have lead to us canceling the show for now. It has been a negative ROI
can confirm, was not a great place to spend time in. but i still want a live show with you guys. hopefully an idea that makes sense to you all will come up.@@Jayztwocents
5:10 My personal testing on cpus (no threadripper because I'm not rich) is that setting a manual voltage will result in only slightly increased power draw at idle (On my current system it's a difference of 26w idle to 28-29w idle). I guess if that scales, on a 64 core that would be 16-24w extra idle power, which is a little less negligible...
14:30 I wish I had some of that AI overclocking...
that wattage just climbs really quick
Well .... my 5800X3D works fine with - 30 at all cores which is already the maximum in Bios/ Curve Optimiser which i can use , per Core makes no sense because ... i cant set a Value less than negative 30 .
same, mine can even undervolt a little more, but i kept it at stock to avoid any clock stretch, -30co on these does the trick, 4450 all core all workloads, 4550 for 2 cores.
@@MK-xc9to i have same results, however, try to run prime95 small and look at each core to see if any is streatching, and i bet you they will...it depends on workload, cinebench is little compared to p95 small allcore..
In 5 or 10 years time it'll be nice to buy one of these 2nd hand that's just been used as a server or something (i.e not overclocked and abused). Hopefully by then the cost will be hundreds and not thousands for a cpu etc.
The performance seem so hillarious until you see the closest Ryzen in the list is an ancient 1700X. They really should show more recent system speed compares in the list when you DL Cinebench. I really doubt that the Pricetag on that TR 7 64c system will show it to be worth all that money to go for vs a Ryzen 9 7950 system unless you really need some serious perf 24/7 and money isn't an issue.
Yup, Threadripper is certainly not for poor people.
@@robsims6352 the people who need threadrippers are not poor in the first place(work pays off good)
Watched this one i guess 5 times and burned one 5950x brandnew - than went with the second 5950x in AI OC and just raised the multiplier...44x - it gives me a variable VCore of 1.22 to 1,228 Volts - makes at full load all cores round about 62 C at 24 C enviroment temp. i changed nothing else than just the multiplier... i guess the voltage could be adjusted more down to 1.2 .
it´s amazing how good it works on an Ausus Strix B550-A Gaming Board - now i am aiming the 4,7 allCore :)
anyhow i was also faceddown by this KI work - :))
Saturday is the end of yalls black friday/cyber monday sale? How you gonna have a cyber monday sale and not let it go through monday? or was this video posted early?
Are you ever NOT going to use Asus? Kind of weird you jumped on the crowd of hating Asus and even putting a video out saying I will not work with them anymore yet you still use their motherboards in every project and video. When will you finally use another brand and actually see what else is there?
He can't, he needs that asus sponsorship or he won't be able to provide content due to financial restrictions. 🤣
Asus mobo is the only option in Threadripper 7000 review kit from AMD.
@@falsevacuum1988 completely irrelevant when nearly all of his vids are using asus mobos even with Intel CPUs
That is how a bios should look like, should be a toggle off ui button.
For some reason this video looks better.
Hey, I’ve got a question about RAM and would be very thankful if anybody could help me 😅
The webpage of Intel says, that the i9-14900K has a max memory bandwidth of 5600 MT/s with DDR5. Does it make sense to buy a RAM with clock of 7200 MHz? Is MT/s and MHz the same?
When Intels and AMDs best (consumer) CPUs on the market only support RAM speeds of around 5500 MT/s, why are the RAM modules with over 7000 MHz?
Running 2x32 gskill 6400 cl32 on 13900k with no issues. Check the motherboard for compatible ram modules. Say you ran an i5-12400 on a B660 mobo, 3200Mhz is supported (MIGHT be able to overclock it to 3466) though a z690 motherboard may be able to go to 3600Mhz.. change to a K chip and now xmp will overclock your ram up to whatever is listed on the motherboard (6000+++)
Ai optimizers also should have some parameters y could tweak like temp limit. As person i cant really say is ai optimized profile good for long run. I really would not want to get expensive cpu bricked.