The Grave Error of Dispensationalism
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For lack of a better way of putting it, someone really needs to comebup with a sort dispensationalist deradicalization course or program to help people unlearn the bad and harmful things they've absorbed in a clear and organised fashion. Dispensationalism has played an important role in decline of western civilization, and the very conservative-minded Christians who rightfully mourn this decline have no idea the ways in which their own theology is part of the problem.
Regarding salt and light, I was once a member of a large church that taught Dispensationalism, and we spread the gospel to millions around the world, and also had ministries to the poor, to prisons, to foreign countries, dug wells, fed people, built schools and clinics, etc. And we were just part of a larger denomination, doing the same things.
, regarding salt and light, I was once a member of a large church that taught Premillennial Dispensationalism, and we spread the gospel to millions around the world, and also had ministries to the poor, to prisons, to foreign countries, dug wells, fed people, built schools and clinics, etc. And were just part of a larger denomination, doing the same things.
Did you ever think that maybe it was your church?
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Well I'm conservative, a conservative Christian and I have never subscribed to dispensationalism. It really helps when you grow up in a denomination that predates dispensationalism, pre and post and other millenialism, British israelism and all other 19th century isms and even the KJV.
Dispensationalism says there are 2 separate kingdoms, 1 for gentiles & the other for jews. They cite the "kingdom of heaven" & the "kingdom of God"as proof. But that is easily disproven by Matt. 19:23-24, where Christ mentions them interchangeably!
Wrong.
@@londomolari5715-how is he wrong? It’s literally the the text he cited.
Are you saying that Darby said the Jews would spend eternity on earth, and the church eternity in heaven?
I am a citizen of the city of God, not the earthly Jerusalem!
You are not a citizen of the "city of God," and never will be.
Who said that you were?
New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the questions below?
Who is the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Who is the “son” that is the “heir” to the land in Matthew 21:37-43? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
God is not now a “racist”. He has extended His love to all races of people through the New Covenant fulfilled by His Son’s blood at Calvary. The Apostle Paul warned against using “genealogies” in our faith in 1 Tim. 1:4, and Titus 3:9.
The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Watch the UA-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
You said that Dispensationalsim denies that the church is a “participant” in the New Covenant, but then you read where the Moody Theology Handbook says the church doesn't “fulfill” or complete the New Covenant. Being in a covenant, and completing it are two different things.
Go worship Israel or God, not both
New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the questions below?
Who is the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Who is the “son” that is the “heir” to the land in Matthew 21:37-43? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary.
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Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Paul’s interpretation in Galatians 3:8, 3:16.)
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the word “remnant” in Romans 9:27, with the word “nation”?
6. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
7. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
8. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
9. Based on Hebrews 12:18-24, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
10. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
11. Watch the UA-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
(See what Joshua said about the Old Covenant land promise in Josh. 21:43.)
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is it fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 12:18-24?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church, if the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20? (See also 2 Thess. 1:7-10) If the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant “obsolete” in Hebrews 8:6-13, why would God go back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period?
Read the recent book "The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism", by Daniel G. Hummel.
Whered you get the red icon in the background from?
Certainly brother I think this is a large overstatement. I accept you as a brother (a fine one at that) despite our disagreements and I truly hold that dispensationalism is not an essential issue over which brothers and sisters have fallen into heresy.
Heretic
..some 'good' points,..but there is still something missing..!
I read that handbook back in the 90s! I surprised to see it's still around.
A Catholic talking about heresy, LOL !! what a joke.
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Let me interpret your comment: “He got me and I’m not smart enough to give any sort of counter argument, so now I’m angry and will just call him a Catholic, which I don’t even really know what that is I just know my fundamentalist parents say it’s bad. I was never taught to think for myself so I’ll just talk like dumbass forever.”
Assuming what you say is correct, then how was one supposed to live under this "new covenant"? What are the rules? What is expected?
Jesus told us in Matthew 7:17-19 KJB - Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. [18] A GOOD TREE *CANNOT* BRING FORTH EVIL FRUIT, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. [19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Are you a good tree? Do you only bring forth good fruit? If not, you will be hewn down and cast into the fire. Period. Jesus said it. There is no other way to interpret this, so you will certainly spiritualize or allegorize it.
Let's try again. What about Matthew 19:21 KJB - Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
That seems pretty clear to anyone who reads it. I think Jesus meant what he said.
You will no doubt spiritualize or allegorize it away, claiming that Jesus was just testing the rich young lad; of course he didn't expect him to give everything away. Are you sure? Had not Peter and the boys "forsaken all" and followed Jesus? (Matt 19:27, 28) And in Acts 2:44-46 didn't all the believers sell all their possessions and goods and give them to whosoever had need, just like Jesus said? AND AGAIN in Acts 4:34 and 35, didn't believers that had lands or houses sell them and lay the money at the apostles' feet to disburse to whoever had need?
Respectfully, Jesus meant exactly what he said, AND YOU / WE DON'T PRACTICE WHAT HE SAID TO DO, so I question whether we are really under the covenant because we / you don't live the way he said we should.
Maranatha.
When developing our own hermeneutical approach to reading the scriptures, the best place to look is how the apostles were interpreting scripture. Paul himself said there are the two covenants and he most certainly "spiritualized" scripture. It is plainly evident we are under the new covenant.
"For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written: “Rejoice, O barren, You who do not bear! Break forth and shout, You who are not in labor! For the desolate has many more children Than she who has a husband.” Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free (Galatians 4:22-31).
Paul is clear, by saying that Abraham's two sons and related events are symbolic (greek word allegoreo), Paul isn't implying that they are not historical. Rather he asserts that OT history is announcing something far greater than itself. Hagar and Mount Sinai symbolize earthly Jerusalem and the Jews under the law. Sarah, the freewoman symbolizes the heavenly Jerusalem, that is, the church. In Isaiah's text, the barren and desolate are those in the church, especially the Gentiles; she who has a husband is Israel. Sarah's son Isaac foreshadows Christ because he was born through promise.
In His letter to the Corinthians, Paul explains that those who trust in Christ and are of the Spirit are sufficient to minister this new covenant. “You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read by all men; clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart. And we have such trust through Christ toward God. Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.” (2 Corinthians 3:2-6). Also see (Ezekiel 36:26).
I'm not sure what you believe but if you're a dispensationalist you most certainly look to Paul's writings as authoritative. If that's the case, then likewise, do you imitate Paul? If so, you better become a fool for Christ like he and all the apostles.
"For I think that God has displayed us, the apostles, last, as men condemned to death; for we have been made a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men. We are fools for Christ’s sake, but you are wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are distinguished, but we are dishonored! To the present hour we both hunger and thirst, and we are poorly clothed, and beaten, and homeless. And we labor, working with our own hands. Being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we endure; being defamed, we entreat. We have been made as the filth of the world, the offscouring of all things until now. I do not write these things to shame you, but as my beloved children I warn you. For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. Therefore I urge you, imitate me. For this reason I have sent Timothy to you, who is my beloved and faithful son in the Lord, who will remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every church" (1 Corinthians 4:9-17).
@@Csay12 - I respect your studied and learned response, your use of scripture, and the manner and tone in which you replied. However, in my humble opinion, you are still not correct.
FIRST of all, you did not respond to the verses I posted. IF we are under this new covenant, how would life look? Jesus made it clear we would not sin; we would only bring forth good fruit. (Matt 7:17-19). Then after Paul's writings, James says the same thing in Chapter 3:11, 12 KJB - Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? NO! [12] Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? NO! either a vine, figs? NOPE. so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
So you have the statements of Jesus himself and from one of the twelve apostles that perfection is required. Do we have anything even the tiniest bit like that today? Not at all.
Again, Ezekiel 36:25-27, "a new heart will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you;" "... and I will put my spirit within you, and CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES, AND YE SHALL KEEP MY JUDGMENTS, AND DO THEM."
Brother, that is CLEARLY not happening now, not with a single Christian, not for 2,000 years. NOBODY keeps God's statutes perfectly.
And again in Jeremiah 31:33, 34 KJB - "I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts." Not one Christian has ever lived that way!
And then there is the fact that not one Christian has ever done, or could ever do, the things Jesus commanded be done, which I addressed in my last reply, which see.
SECOND, have you read vs 34? "And they shall TEACH NO MORE every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them."
Paul called himself a teacher, and instructs us to study and to be teachers. It is the exact opposite of Jeremiah 31.
FINALLY, who is the new covenant for? God refers to Israel, Judah, the remnant of Israel, Ephraim, O virgin of Israel, they, them, etc., over 60 times in chapters 30 and 31, and you're going to claim that has all somehow been transferred to us gentiles, us heathen, us uncircumcised??
Ezekiel 36:24-32 is to the "house of Israel," and "the mountains of Israel," and "my people Israel," and "all the house of Israel." How can that be any clearer?
"Nope, what he actually means is Tennessee mountain boys and cowboys in Argentina and factory workers in China."
No. Just no.
FINALLY, FINALLY, continue reading Jeremiah 31 after it mentions the new covenant. Jeremiah 31:35-37 KJVS
Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: [36] If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. [37] Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
Brother, you can't claim the ordinances of sun, moon, waves have ended, neither that the foundations of the Earth have been searched out or the heaven measured. Israel is still God's chosen people and the new covenant pertains to them.
You built a case using scripture, which I respect, but I believe the much greater weight of the scripture, and the far more accurate use of the scripture, supports that the new covenant is for Israel only and that they will follow it flawlessly for it is written in their heart, as Jesus and James tell us.
Thank you.
@@hereticus40 Thank you for your response, I appreciate the time you took. I'll address your reading of Matthew 7... and I really have apologize in advance because I have a lot to say to address all of this so forgive me...
Jesus said, “beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them..." (Matthew 7:15-20).
The obvious message here is that Christ is warning the disciples about false prophets. Describing how we can discern a true believer from a false prophet. The true Christian of course continually brings forth deeds and works which are good, fruits that glorify God because they are filled with the Holy Spirit. "The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control..." (Galatians 5:22-23). When Jesus says, "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit" He is not implying sinless perfection... I don't believe this is tenable. Why? Because it's said that believers who are filled with the Holy Spirit can still stumble. "For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish" (Galatians 5:17). As Christians it's true that we are to be perfected like Him, to please Him. It is God's will for us. But that's not what's intended here in Matthew 7 and is fairly easy to point out why. An absolute for sinless perfection inherently contradicts Christ's teachings on the necessity for repentance. The two can't be reconciled together and it doesn't fit your conceptualization of the New Covenant.
For example, Christ taught His disciples to pray to the Father for "forgiveness" in the Lord's Prayer. Showing that even in daily prayer we must seek forgiveness. The apostles understood this and taught that repentance was necessary. (See Matthew 3:2; Matthew 4:17; Matthew 9:13; Matthew 11:20-21; Matthew 12:41; Mark 1:15; Mark 2:17; Mark 6:12; Luke 3:3,8; Luke 5:32; Luke 10:13; Luke 11:32; Luke 13:3,5; Luke 15:7,10; Luke 16:30; Luke 17:3-4; Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; Acts 3:19; Acts 5:31; Acts 8:22; Acts 11:18; 2 Peter 3:9). As did Paul, “Truly, these times of ignorance God winked at, but now commands all men everywhere to repent.” (Acts 17:30; Acts 19:18; Acts 20:21; Acts 26:20; Romans 2:4; Romans 14:10-13; 1 Corinthians 3:18-23; 2 Corinthians 7:1; 2 Corinthians 7:9-10; 2 Corinthians 12:21; 2 Timothy 2:25). It's a work that transforms us as believers and draws us closer to God, to perfect and sanctify us. It's not instantaneous to believers - but is a process. If we stumble, we become convicted by the Holy Spirit, and grieve of our sin, being humbled by it. We readily acknowledge our sin to God with a heavy heart and truly seek to overcome it. If we're genuine, He acknowledges this and blesses us (see Romans 4:7-8; Psalm 32:1-5). Him who knew no sin became sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. And Christ since He's a high priest forever lives to make intercession for us before God (Hebrews 7:23-25). For Christians sanctification is something achieved over the life of the believer. For most people it's not achievable in this lifetime. So it will be in the eschaton. The New Heaven and New Earth. Nevertheless, it shows us the importance of repentance.
"I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance" (Luke 15:7).
See Jesus' parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector.
“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men-extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted" (Luke 18:10-14). The tax collector goes home justified because he humbled himself and sought forgiveness...
If we continue to read Matthew 7 in further context, He says "therefore by their fruits you shall know them..." And continues... “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, *‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’* (Matthew 7:21-23)... Christ describes this bad fruit as being “you who practice lawlessness”. In the King James it's rendered "ye who work iniquity". The Greek word for “work” ἐργαζόμενοι (ergazomenoi) implies an ongoing, continual action, or practice. It's describing someone living in sin. They sin without coming to true repentance and renouncing all sin deep within their heart by faith in Christ... so by their fruits you shall know them.
This is why Paul tells us, "the works (fruits) of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God" (Galatians 5:19-21).
@@hereticus40 I'd again like to reiterate that it's important to interpret scripture as the apostles did. They were the only men to ever have the scriptures explained to them by God (see Luke 24:44-45; John 14:26). This is why Paul calls the church “the pillar and ground of the truth” (1 Timothy 3:15). It is essential to understand the Old Testament in light of the New Testament. A famous saying says, the Old Testament is the New Testament concealed, and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed...
As for the New Covenant, the book of Hebrews has all the answers to your doubts concerning its fulfillment. We're told the Old Covenant was but a shadow of the things to come, which all pertained to Christ. He tells us that all of the scriptures point to Him (John 5:39, 45). Paul explains that the entire purpose of the Law was to bring us to Christ (Galatians 3:19-25). It was to show us that no one is good but God alone, and that we need Him as our source because, "by the works of the Law, no flesh will be justified" which includes Israel (Romans 3:20)...
Paul says, "When the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, *to redeem those who were under the law (Israel)*, that we might receive the adoption as sons. And because you are sons, *God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts*, crying out, 'Abba, Father!' Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ" (Galatians 4:4-7).
The New Covenant was established by His blood just as Christ announced at the Last Supper (Luke 22:20; Matthew 26:28; Mark 14:24). This was to redeem all peoples; "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." (John 3:16). "But now hath he (Jesus) obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also *he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises*. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second." (Hebrews 8:6-7). The author of Hebrews then continues to reference Jeremiah 31 linking that Christ indeed fulfilled it... And he continues "In that He says, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."(Hebrews 8:13). The Old Covenant was abolished with the destruction of the Jewish temple in 70 A.D. (See Luke 21).
Hebrews 10 shows us a dialogue before the Pre-Incarnate Son of God enters into the world. Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.” He takes away the first (the Old Covenant) that He may establish the second (The New Covenant). *By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all*... Then once again Jeremiah 31 is linked to Christ's New Covenant... "But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before, “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: *I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”* Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin. Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, and having a High Priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful. (Hebrews 10:8-10,15-23)
He later says that Christ's covenant is everlasting. "Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the *everlasting covenant*. Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is well pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." (Hebrews 13:20-21). I don't think it could be made any clearer for us. This is same covenant declared by the everlasting gospel in the book of Revelation. "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people" (Revelation 14:6)...
As for the church it began with Christ. He told His apostles He would build His church, and the gates of Hell would not prevail against it (Matthew 16:18). The gates of Hell are the powers of death. In the Old Testament gates suggest a fortified city. “For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places” (Ephesians 6:12). When God spoke to Abraham He said, “blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and… your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies. (Genesis 22:17; see also Genesis 24:60; Isaiah 14:31). By shattering its gates, Christ opened the stronghold of death to set free the souls of the righteous. So also, the church shall not be stopped in her proclamation of the gospel of salvation. Christ entrusted the apostles to safeguard the church of God. The Greek word for church is ἐκκλησία (pronounced ecclesia) meaning: a community of members on earth and saints in heaven. ἐκκλησίαis is only mentioned twice in the gospels (Matthew 16:18; 18:17) but 115 times total throughout the New Testament in Matthew, Acts, Hebrews, Paul, Peter, James, John, and Revelation. In the Greek Septuagint written (285-247 B.C.) the Hebrew scribes used the same Greek word ἐκκλησία in regards to Israel throughout the Old Testament, often translated the assembly or the congregation in English. ἐκκλησίαis is used over 100 times, in the books of Moses, the Psalms, and the writings of the Prophets. The book titled Ecclesiastes is derived from the Greek root word ἐκκλησία. The biblical principle is that the church isn’t just a New Testament reality. The church is the assembly of God’s people, His saints. She is the true Israel and the Body of Christ; her citizenship is heavenly. Because of this the church encompasses all generations of mankind.
A couple examples... the book of Hebrews quotes the Psalms using ἐκκλησία, yet the English translation in the KJV renders it as "church" in the book of Hebrews, and "congregation" in the Psalm.
“I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the *church* (ἐκκλησία) will I sing praise unto thee.” (Hebrews 2:12)
“I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the *congregation* (ἐκκλησία) will I praise thee.” (Psalm 22:22)
And in Acts we have Stephen preaching to the people of Jerusalem recalling the story of their fathers, mentioning Moses and the Israelites as the church: “This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. This is he, that was in the *church* (ἐκκλησία) in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt” (Acts 7:37-39).
This is why Paul said to the Gentile church in Ephesus that they are no longer strangers and foreigners to God’s people of Israel, but fellow citizens with the saints, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ being the cornerstone. (Ephesians 2:11-22).
“But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and *church* (ἐκκλησία) of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to *Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant*, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel” (Hebrews 12:22-24).
These are prophecies and scriptures given to Israel and seen fulfilled in the church that you should take time to look over. (Joel 2:28-32; Acts 2:1,16-21) (Amos 9:11-12; Acts 15:14-18) (Hosea 1:10; Romans 9:22-26) (Genesis 12:3; Galatians 3:8, 16) (Exodus 19:6; Isaiah 61:6; 1 Peter 2:9) (Hosea 2:23; 1 Peter 2:9-10) (Leviticus 26:11-12; Jeremiah 32:38; Ezekiel 37:27; 2 Corinthians 6:16) (Leviticus 19:2; 1 Peter 1:15-16)
We don't believe Israel has ever ceased to be or has been replaced. We understand the true remnant of Israel continued on through the church (Romans 11:1-7). Just as gentiles could become proselytes so too can Gentiles be grafted into the church as Christ commanded (Matthew 28; Luke 24; Mark 16; Acts 1:8). This is why Abraham was promised to be the father of many nations (Genesis 17:5). The Hebrew word for nations is גּוֹיִ֖ם (Goyim, i.e. Gentiles). Paul understood that salvation to the Gentiles was fulfillment of that promise (Galatians 3:6-8; Galatians 3:26-29).
@@hereticus40 Christ told the Roman Centurion in the gospel, “‘Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. And I say unto you, that many shall come from the east and west and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the Kingdom of heaven.’” (Matthew 8:10-11). It was always God’s plan to restore mankind as a whole, and that included the Gentiles. He didn't forget about those who preceded Abraham. For we are all created in His image. Christ said He would bring them into the fold. “I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd. “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. No one take sit from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.” (John 10:11-18).
(See references to Old Testament prophecies (Isaiah 9:1-6; Isaiah 11:1-10; Isaiah 19:18-25; Isaiah 25:1-10; Isaiah 41:1-6; Isaiah 42:1-12; Isaiah 43:1-26; Isaiah 49:1-18; Isaiah 51:4-5; Isaiah 52:10-15; Isaiah 53; Isaiah 57:1-21; Isaiah 60:1-11; Isaiah 62:5-12; Isaiah 66:1-24; Jeremiah 3:14-22; Jeremiah 16:16-21; Psalm 17:1-15; Psalm 22:27-32; Psalm 45:1-18; Psalm 66:1-8; Psalm 67:1-8; Psalm 72:1-20; Psalm 82:1-8; Psalm 85:1-14; Psalm 96:1-13; Psalm 98:1-9; Micah 4:1-5; Micah 5:1-3; Habbakuk 2:14; Tobit 13:1-18; Tobit 14:1-8; Zachariah 2:14-17; Zachariah 8:20-23; Ezekiel 47:22-23).
This is why Peter later preached the gospel to the Roman Centurion and his family, "Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him. *The word which God sent to the children of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ* - He is Lord of all" (Acts 10:34-36).
Paul said through Christ, the Gentiles are fellow heirs to the same promises, members of the same body (Galatians 4:28; Ephesians 3:3-6) and that there is no difference between the Jew or the Greek (Romans 10:12). This is the mystery revealed, according to the eternal purpose He accomplished in Christ (Ephesians 3:11). What does the Paul mean when he says Gentiles have been made members of the same body if there's a distinction between the church and Israel? He explains earlier in Ephesians, those who were once Gentiles in the flesh - without Christ, were aliens to the nation of Israel, strangers to the promises, having no hope without God. But now in Christ, having been brought near by the blood of Christ, are made both one, reconciled together by Him who has made us all one body, breaking down the middle wall of partition between us, even abolishing the law of commandments contained in ordinances. To create one new man, making peace, to reconcile all unto God by the cross, putting to death the enmity. Who are no longer strangers and foreigners (to the nation of Israel), but fellow citizens with the saints, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ being the cornerstone, in whom the whole building grows into a holy temple in the Lord - being built into a dwelling place for the Holy Spirit. (Ephesians 2:11-22).
In Romans Paul describes the Gentiles as being grafted into the olive tree - a symbol for the birth of Israel, which is of Christ (Romans 11:16-24). The remnant of Jews that remained faithful to Christ in addition to the Gentiles grafted in make up the tree of God’s people, His body. Likewise, those Israelites who rejected Christ are described as branches cut off from the tree because of their unbelief (Romans 11:20; Jeremiah 11:16-17). And concerning the Jews he said, “he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit...” (Romans 2:28-29) and concerning Israel who did not believe… “they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham…” (Romans 9:6-7). That is to say, if you reject Jesus Christ, then you’re no longer a child of God.
Jesus uses a similar metaphor, and this further explains that we cannot bear good fruit unless we are in Christ, because without Him we can do nothing. He is our source of righteousness. “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. (John 15:1-6).
The scriptures are clear that there is one body of Christ. Christ is the head of the body, which is made up of both Jewish and Gentile believers with no distinction between them... In the Old Testament Israel was likened as a bride to the Lord (Jeremiah 3:14). But Paul makes it explicit that the church is the Bride of Christ (Ephesians 5:22-32). If there's a distinction, does this mean that God has two Brides? Certainly not! For the church is not an additional Bride, nor was the original Bride (Israel) put away. But the Gentiles have been brought near, and have been adopted, to be adorned alongside the remnant of Israel to be the true Bride of Christ (Isaiah 49:18, Revelation 21:1-3, 9-11). Christ’s love for the church is made manifest in His sacrifice for her. Knowing that Christ died for the whole world (John 3:16), it is able to be discerned that the Bride of Christ is made up of both Jews and Gentiles.
“’Lift up your eyes round about, and look on them. Behold, they gather together and come to you. As I live’, says the Lord, ‘you shall clothe yourselves with them and put them on as a bride’s attire.’” (Isaiah 49:18)
"For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Galatians 3:27-29). The apostle Paul even calls the Church, the Israel of God... “For in Christ Jesus... as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God” (Galatians 6:15). For the Church is the fullness of Christ who fills all in all (Ephesians 1:17-22).
I hope this helps shed light... God bless.
Your emotional rant was not convincing at all, just begging the Question and Special Pleading is all I heard.