VW eGolf Takes On The World's Toughest Electric Car Test - Loveland Trials Ep.1
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- Опубліковано 16 лис 2019
- ( www.TFLcar.com ) The 2020 VW eGolf has a range of about 125 miles. But is that enough to take on The World's Toughest Electric Car Test? In this first episode of the Loveland Trials we find out!
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I think you guys do EV testing right. driving up a bloody mountain, yes!
drive down the mountain, yes!
did it make it?
Was the SNARFS test ever done with the model x?
Exactly what I'd also like to know. How did their previous model 3 and current model X score on the same run? Would be nice to start getting some comparative data.
@@schlix101 I think it's a great real world stress test that highlights energy efficiency and regeneration ability. The really important aspects of the electric drivetrain. They should really record the consumption figures and energy recovery figures and total recharges required it's fantastic test situation
@Wolfgang Preier I live in BC canada...there are literally mountains everywhere I look. Have your government call my government I'm sure we can work something out.
This test makes it clear that driving uphill will require dinamic slot charger every 6 miles compared to every 60 miles downhill. Only vehicles with mobile smart meter will be able to drive the electrified roads and the kw used will be added to the home electric monthly bill.
perfect for where i live in Arizona...i could leave it plugged in all night and use it for any small trips and never stop at a gas station with it
We recently bought a CPO e-Golf in very clean condition, with the fast charge upgrade, 30 months of basic warranty, and less than 10,000 miles on it for well under $15,000 cash out the door; fees, taxes, etc included. We enjoy the car and it handles 99% of our daily driving/commuting needs. We 100% charge at home with a level 2; easy.
My brother used to live in Frisco, CO. I've experienced going over the Loveland Pass a few times and all of that is irrelevant. Why? Because it's a 1,000 miles from here.
Fund and informative video. Tommy has really grown into the star of the show.
Love it! Forget hunting or fishing trips it’s a father-son EV adventure. Very funny seeing Romans lack of patience at the charger
This scoring system is heavily in favor of (very expensive) cars for roadtrips. many people don´t ever need so much range to get around in their town....at least here in europe. Many cars don´t even drive 6000 miles per year and most of them drive less than 30 miles at one time until they get back to the charger.
a small, cheap city car with reasonable range for city driving will score horribly in this scoring system for years to come :x
At the same time the car you’re describing isn’t one you’d take to the top of the continental divide. I think it’s trying to compare the average combustion engine car to electric cars. Like they said over time electric cars will become closer to the combustion cars we have today. Many combustion cars are meant to be all around performers. Plus Americans drive much more than Europeans from what I’ve seen. Most of our states are larger than countries in Europe.
@@joemacscott2677 Average american driver drives ONLY 39 miles per day, Vokswagen E-golf has 125 miles of EPA range, enough said. Average european driver drives ONLY 20 miles per day. Enough said.
That charger noise, i don’t know if I can handle that sound for 30 minutes....lol
You walk away and get a cup of coffee
I can’t wait to see how the trucks perform on this test (F150 electric, Bollinger B2, Tesla pickup etc.)
Thanks for testing the eGolf. I have a 2019 Canadian eGolf. I appreciate your testing, but am not going to focus on the score. As Tommy says it is a great car! You've inspired me to take a road test (with charging along the way) to go from Vancouver British Columbia to Calgary Alberta!! Thanks again for testing the eGolf.
Would love to hear your road test results
Love the ev series guys! Thanks for all the hard work!
It was really great to watch! Greetings from germany!
just another reason why my next vehicle will be a Tesla, I can't believe how non-tesla chargers are so unreliable! I am loving this channel for informing about this stuff. I had no idea how terrible other chargers are...
Yeah, it's disappointing how unreliable, expensive, and unfriendly they are compared to the Tesla charger network.
My next car is a Camaro ZL1 1LE. Because I dont believe in electric cars.
Brandon Martinez sorry to hear that. Unfortunately in the future electric is going to be the only thing available...and I know you're going to say otherwise so save your breath 😂😂
Andrew P not even close.
Mike H okay lol 👌
OMG waiting for the charge station to work was stressing me out
And wtf was that whining noise?!
More stress!!
Beeman Seawa I’d rather get the i3 range extender and know I’d never have to hunt for a plug. On second thought, I’ll keep my supercharged petrol, just to annoy Greta 😂
As an owner of a EV, public charging sucks. Different standards, crazy stupid menu systems. Glad I can just charge at home.
Mowcowbell I drive long distances quite often, I don’t have the time to sit around waiting for it to charge. If you don’t drive too much or as a secondary car, then yeah, theoretically it’s great. Hydrogen fuel cell cars are potentially great. But here in the UK there’s less than ten stations in the whole country. Closest of which is nearly 200 miles away 🤦🏼♂️
I like the idea of scoring with an eye towards the future. Can’t wait for the Niro test. 👍
You guys have the best car/truck vlog on the Net. Period. Thanx for the great work and information. I would love to see you get to one million subs by the end of February 2020.
i really love this loveland trials series! cant wait to see you test more evs in the future
Is it really a test if you don’t back it into your garage wall and test how long it takes to order parts ?
This is awesome. You win the internet.
They miss the Jaguar i-Pace instead of the e-Golf...
Also don’t forget to name drop how many followers the channel has. Then we got a test baby!!
God that charger was loud!!!
Sounds like a transformer
@@jaybee2344 Yeah, most DC fast chargers sound like that at least for the first few minutes as the transformers get going.
"Either it's fast charging or we need to RUN LIKE HELL!!"
@@jaybee2344 Which transformer you think? My vote is Bumblebee
How long did it take to charge from 76%?
Love your electric reviews. You guys does it way more interesting than any other. Tommy = EV maestro!
I like how you are the everyday non educated ev driver. It’s good. As you use them more to pi seem to learn how they work.
EV mondays...? its sunday.
I had a 2015 e-golf (first year, 83 mile range) until 2018 and it was a great commuter car for my 30 miles each way.
I have one, too. It's rather pleasant to drive.
I have a question for you. When your golf is plugged in, can you use the climate control without using the (awful) carnet app or website?
Roman looked like he kept getting irritated with Tommy when he would talk lol 10:20 and 14:05 when he corrected him.
Well done, fellas. You're ahead of the curve with all the real-world testing. Keep up the great work.
Not sure driving up a mountain in Eco+ with the A/C off is all that real world, but none the less it is interesting.
@@edcooper2396 Thanks for the brilliant response and for adding to a positive comment to the content creator. You're a real inspiration.
@@Thomas-qk7wf oops, sorry for stepping into your safe space. It's great to see EV's being pushed, and I enjoyed this video, but I find the testing Bjorn does much more real-world.
No safe spaces needed here. Nor are negative comments from armchair quarterbacks. Keep it positive or keep it to yourself. It adds nothing to the discussion.
Charging a smaller battery to 80 will go faster than that 500 mile battery you want to see. You should measure mileage charged not battery percentage.
i guess it is equal no matter what to choose, could be considered both as one whole , both miles and percentage may vary depending different factors
The batteries charge much better between 20 and 80 percent though. You'll get much more energy charging a bigger battery in the sweet spot then you will a full charge on a small battery.
But as the batteries increase in size, they need to charge faster or that larger capacity is pointless.
Not really, charging speeds are limited by the individual cells in the battery. Bigger batteries have only problems with cooling that can be solved by active cooling while recharging. With this logic you could charge your phone or laptop in matter of seconds.
15:15 - Holy shit, $4.57 to put roughly just 30 miles of range in (77% to 96%)?!?! This is the best pro-combustion engine video I've ever seen....even more expensive than gas cars.
That's why charging at home is not only highly recommended, but what 95% of EV owners do. In that case it costs about that much to fill from empty. A lot of these quick charge stations are ripoffs (and Ionity just increased their prices dramatically).
This is also because at this point Electrify America was charging by the minute instead of by the kWh, and since they started at 79% they were charging very slowly. Now Electrify America has switched to a per kWh pricing model in many states, so it is much cheaper. Also, this is the first generation of DC fast charging - if like most people you charge up at home even 80% of the time, this increased cost for a road trip over a gas car still means an EV is cheaper overall than any gas car, by far.
More like 60 miles
@@John-209 LOL, no. Where are you getting your facts? You think the eGolf is a 315 mile range vehicle? It's only 120 mixed miles on a full charge. They added 19% charge to the battery. That is far less than 30 miles....it's closer to 20 miles.
@@cup_and_cone you are right my bad I’m looking at what I wrote and I must have made calculations for the Tesla sorry about that my bad
This is a good idea, and as a transportation journalist with OCD, I love the scoring system. It's like Alex on Autos over here.
Gotta love the father-son dynamic. Every episode is No You're Wrong
Great test keep them coming.
Love your test scoring system!
I love all of the electric car videos!!!
I feel like that fast charger is actually the... Hellcat of chargers
It certainly has Chrysler reliability.
VTEC kicked in, yo.
This is awesome, I’ve been looking at EVs and my biggest concern is making to Arapahoe Basin and back from Littleton. Perfect test for that
Chops 00 Use www.abetterrouteplanner.com and it will very accurately calculate what each specific vehicle can do on a specific route.
Really awesome videos you guys make. I have a suggestion. When we go to the mountains, we normally go to have fun with friends and family. All seats are full. It would be great to see what's the efficiency and range when we drive with at least 4 people in the car. Thank you.
I can tell you having a smaller battery nissain leaf it really makes a difference
You guys are impeccably fair.
Great video, as always! I’ve had the eGolf for about 10 months now and I absolutely love it! It’s no Tesla but it sure has a lot going for it! Anyway, the grading scale you guys use (while pretty logical) should be EVs against current gasoline cars IMO. That way, we can pit EV tech against the best alternative we have now rather than a future release we can only dream of. It’ll produce more statistically correct EV grades.
I really enjoy the father 'n son segments - (and the others as well, André & Nathan).
More in-line six 3.0 Duramax Diesel videos, please.
Hey TFL, great Colorado scenery! Love it! How about calculating the average energy spent in kW and giving us that number as a reference of efficiency between cars. Also...temperature we need to know the temperature during the test. I feel we lack solid grounds for comparison, range is never a solid comparison point between EV's: each car calculates it differently! For reference binge watch TeslaBjorn's channel on YT! Take a bit of his methodology and concepts and and inject this into your reviews and tests
I saw 31F (0Celsius) not very good for batteries. And a score for kW/mile would be a good idea, kW=money.
One insight that you've provided is that It seems like the best way to enjoy an electric car is to plan correctly. Significant elevation changes and load conditions complicate the calculus. The onboard calculator needs work.
e-Golf gen 1 (and Leaf gen 1) is now one of the hardest used car models to sell on the used car marked i Norway.
Roman is loving some Grand Funk Railroad!
Awesome scoring system. This should be a standard. Yes e cars need more range but we are well on our way. Loving your channel.
“It’s easy” Car doesn’t start charging for 15 minutes! Lol
I love all the Tommy videos. He is a pro
I've found that in steep hills, its a very good idea to use the speed limiter, and put the car in D. Then let off the throttle, and don't touch the brakes, unless you have some sharp turns. As soon as it gets to the speed limit, it will start regenerating. I regenerated about 20 km in a couple of minutes.
I’ve got range anxiety, and I’m in my living room 🤯🙈
Overall, I do like all the newer golf models.
Good video. Hey I noticed recently that the Leaf+ SV/SL has the same tires as the Tesla Standard Range Plus...but the Leaf had the tires inflated to 36psi, and the a Tesla 44psi (Michelin Energy Saver tires are rated from 36-44). How much of the cars’ efficiency differences are from pure tire inflation vs. drag coefficient or other differences?
I'd guess it's mainly because the Tesla weighs much more.
I think it’s just an easy way for Tesla to boost their epa rating.
I like your electric car rating system, but, could you add value in it some way?
Scoring system well thought out for future comparison and to track/document EV improvements.
I am curious how much the charge would be if you did the initial 31 miles with all accessories on?
$4.57 for 32 miles...no thanks I’ll keep my TDI that gets average of 46mpg and diesel costs me 3.29 a gallon.
TDi has a city average of 31.
Prius is better and won’t have electrical issues a day after the warranty expires.
Or buy a Tesla and charge in your garage
daguzify My only option would be to charge at my home. I’ve looked into electric cars and there are no chargers near where I live or work. Maybe in a few years once technology advances more I’d buy into the electric car industry. It does interest me but just doesn’t work for me yet with range/accessibility.
There's always one!
Diesel for the win, let me know when you figure out this electrified automobile thing.
Yep tdi☻👍
FOCKIN YEEEEEH!!!! MORE ELECTRIC CAR TOUGHEST TEST REAL WORLD REVIEWS!!!!!!!!!
I say good call, that stretch of I-70 is dangerous to be stuck on the shoulder, especially when not near a wide breakdown shoulder.
Your second category for charging appears flawed because it doesn't take into account the battery capacity. Given the same, or even less, charging uptake, a smaller battery will get a higher score if it hits 80% first, no?
I've tried two separate tries at using Electrify America stations. Both failed. One was a faulty CHAdeMO charging unit. The second was a new site at WalMart and the cable was 3-4 feet too short to reach the designated parking space.
II reported both failures to EA.
First and best test sir thank you.
I dont know about that egolf, but I sure want to move to Colorado, tourism Colorado should sponsor you guys.
No no no! Colorado is now suffering from influx and growth issues ( housing, infrastructure (TRAFFIC), water, loss of habitat, history, paving over paradises True. ) No sponsorship! Colorado is a terrible place to live. Ok false but it used to be a lot better. Ask me how I know. 71 years a resident. 0 population growth for the planet. But if you're a good guy willing to preserve and protect we can probably make room for you.
@@wavoconqueso I think everywhere is getting worse in regards to population growth and destruction. And luckily its predominately nature that appeals to me about Colorado so protecting it makes sense to me.
I appreciate your enthusiasm for protecting the environment!
It’s really cold here with blizzards and massive car accidents! Horrible traffic in the Denver area! License plates are expensive! Wind blows a lot! Oh and housing is super expensive!
It would have been a nice 3.5 hour trip in a Golf. The known mismatch of the eGolf capacity to the test range and Hill climb may this test a range anxiety event. Still, the test provided insights. Thanks.
The pain of driving a compliance car at any considerable distance.. I remember doing this in a Ford Focus Electric that has 75-80mi range driving between San Diego and LA. Had to tailgate behind big rigs, slowly accelerate on downhills to gain momentum, reduce speed on uphill, plan all my charging hops on level 2... It took 3-4 hours if I have to stop and charge, all day if I had to travel round trip.
I really enjoyed this video! I have learned a lot about EV tech on this channel and its Pros/Cons. Great coverage guys and very entertaining! Would you say that Tesla's are the Gold standard to beat still?
Charging cars is pain in azz but it reminds me of the internet 15 years back and look where we are now together with smart phone and all.i bet in ten years we will charge via cell phone and wireless.soon
15y? Lol more like 40y ago...
@@jasenrock very true but oil Mafia have started wars for much less.they will not let electric tech eat their pie.look at Iraq, Syria and iran
@@multivisao 15 years ago cell phone were AM and now its GSM
You mean the internet 20-25 years ago. 15 years ago, we had already moved way past dial-up speeds. I remember the aughts very well.
I had the 2016 e-Golf (83 miles of range) and absolutely loved it... until I got a Tesla Model 3. Tesla is a decade ahead of everyone else in the EV market. I regret not getting one sooner.
Do you think the cold temperature sapped your battery range?
i feel like the chase vehicle should have been the rebel with a trailer
LOL
Agreed
A golf 4motion diesel.
Range and recharging time is what this all about, PS I really like how u tested the a unit pulling a trailer 👍
It pogos around because there is regenerative brakes-- so constant stop signs in the shopping center etc, will add more range. Also there are recuperation modes in the egolf that help it regenerate too. The range is not a linear number...
I went to your website, but I couldn't find a page with all the cars you have scored on the Loveland Pass Test. You should at a minimum have the Model X and the e-Golf now. You ought to maintain a ranking with all the scores and sub scores.
I’m looking forward to you doing the test in an ID3. Hopefully the price of charging will come down!
3 yr ev user here in flatland Ohio. 3 different eve's. Zero range issues once we understood the game. Wife is #1 driver. Her technique is get in car and go. Rarely charge outside of our house. Over the 3 yrs public chargers have been springing up like mushrooms.
Hi. What sort of loss in range have you noticed on Electric Vehicles in Winter? Some sites are claiming up to 40% loss at temperatures of minus -4 Fahrenheit to -14 Fahrenheit.
I really like the test. For scoring, I suggest tweaking it a bit so that if the car completes the test that it doesn't get a '0'... Though the e-Golf takes a long time to charge compared to the standard you set, it was capable of being recharged, so '0' doesn't make sense. By comparison, the e-Golf doesn't actually have enough range to complete the whole test, but the car still got a 1.8, so that seems inconsistent...
Another thing that would be interesting for TFL to explore (partnering with Engineering Explained?) is to break down the constituents of energy consumption in a vehicle... How many watt-hours per mile consumed at a couple of speeds (improved by being more aerodynamic), how many watt-hours consumed per 1000 feet of elevation climbed (improved by weight reduction), how many watt-hours the climate control system takes to maintain a temperature difference between the cabin and the outside (improved by low emissivity glass, insulated panels, etc), and finally, how much energy goes into other stuff (lighting, display, infotainment - which is all going to be in the noise)... People obviously don't have any clue about where their watts, and watt-hours are going, and I think you guys could help understand it better...
I love these real world tests! That Golf would be great in south Florida! The Golf looks nice but it’s no Tesla and I feel VW could have improved it further but instead gives up. Oh well. Enjoy it while you have it!
True, but at least for me, I put 10,000 miles a year on this car with no issues.
its really not electric car..its replace by vw id 3 which is real electric car
@@dzonikg It's a damn good EV in my book (and cheaper than some of the Golf variants, after VW's big markdown and tax credit), and it does everything I need it to do. ID.3 is not doubt better, but not yet available. e-Golf is available and a great car for many people, just like a Miata is a great car for many people (people who want an SUV would claim Miata is not a decent car).
I live in Central Florida and currently have a 2017 Tiguan with a 2.0 TSI and if I can find an eGolf for under 10K I am seriously considering buying one as a second car. I love the Golf platform but would have to sell my 1987 Vanagon to make room for it!
16:52 Watts per minute?!? What kind of unit is that? I guess you meant Watt-hours per mile.
Intro is awesome
Is the eGolf more comfortable than the GtI on freeways?
Not sure if someone already asked this but...How did you get a 2020? Did you go get it from Canada? Also, will the VW stations in the US still service it? I’d love to get a 2020 but I’m guessing I’ll have to fly to Canada to get it drive or export it back.
I'll be curious to see how the electric cars will do during the winter with heater and defroster running. Boulder will be a good place to find out.
let's do a challenge, 5 minutes later daddy says no its too risky.
Question for Tommy! What do you think the best PHEV or fully electric EV would be a great starter vehicle for a 16 y/o that lives in WV, something pre-owned and under 25K?
Matt's Cars & Music Good question. Honestly e Golfs (newer models with 125 range) are very very good. If I were you, i’d probably check out Volts. Both first and second gen are highly underrated. Stay away from first gen leafs imo.
For PHEV, a lightly used Chevy Volt would be the best. Charge at home so trips to school on electric, gas backup for no range anxiety and longer range trips. Curious what Tommy would say.
Your experience is very similar to what the Netherlands had about 5 years ago, so that's a good sign. But there is a definite trend of high power chargers and better working rfid tags. You even have creditcard support, which we don't have yet. Or is very uncommon. It is predominantly with rfid tags though. Roaming support with various rfid tags within the EU is flakey at best, still.
I see another charger at Empire Lakewood Nissan and that appears to be a dual connector ABB 50kW charger, which could have been a option. I'm just not sure if the rfid would have been accepted.
To be fair for future test if you recharge you should take the actual driven range before charge and subtract it from the remaining range when you get back so 18-31.8= -13.8 so the e-golf's actual score is -0.8 Which creates an even playing field for the future.
I think you should give the Kia e-Niro the same test. Everyone who has distance tested the range on it has stated the range is actually more.
Roman, the Tesla graph y-axis is in Watt-Hours per Mile, not "watts per minute".
Unfortunately the US is not getting the VW ID3, it would have been very interesting watching you guys test the ID3 and to see how it compares to the E-Golf, which it basically is replacing, also keep in mind the E-Golf is build since 2014 which makes it a 5 year old car and the new Golf 8 just came out.
Where can we find the results of these tests to compare them all??
29:08 Linus tech tips needs to build you a server look at all the external drives on the self in the background
Great video guys! Curious why you took VW’s word on how fast it charges for the scoring? I would have loved to see how long it actually took especially at 33 kWh vs the 50 kWh max.
Will do next time.
Charging is not that straightforward though... When you are at almost 0% you don't get fastest speed, ideal is somewhere between 30 and 70% for most EVs, but some of them already start throttling down the charging process before that 70%. And the "peak" charging speed is something that most cars, including Tesla (even worse than some others actually), only get for a very short period of time. Something like maybe 2-5 Minutes of your whole 45 Minutes charging session. Then there is cars like the leaf that don't have active cooling, so when the battery is hot you get super slow speeds (
@morbvsclz - thanks for the explanation.
Could you guys do more test on the e golf, 24 kw and 35 kw ??? Pleasee
Did you make sure to charge your blinkers?
Wh/M is not watts per minute. lol It is Watt hours per Mile. So while you drive you use on average ~300 Watts per mile. I remember going up to Mt. Mitchell in a Model X 100D, which is the highest point East of the Mississippi, we were averaging somewhere around ~900 Wh/M. It's hard to push all that weight up a mountain.
TLFC taking Range Anxiety to new Heights!!! good for you guys! gasoline and poverty rock!
That E golf rocks.
Charging one EV from a station with another one sitting nearby with ample range left bets the question: How long will it be until someone adds capability to transfer power easily from one EV to another?
I've had two issues at superchargers and saw a guy have a problem. 1 charger just wouldn't charge, so I had to switch stalls and 1 was charging at 1 kw, so i had to switch stalls. Same with the guy I saw have an issue, he said it was charging slow (50 kw or so, which is way better than what i got.)
I think you should consider doing a flat land test since you're on the edge of the plains. I assume the car companies are doing their range testing on flat ground, but I wonder about real world numbers which your tests are really good at providing.
Subjective score. Let's think about this for a moment. Yes, it has all these convenience features. Probably a great stereo, A/C, Heater/ Cruise Control etc. But, when you decide you want to use those conveniences, it steals away from your overall range. Then on drives like you just did with it and you choose Eco + mode, then you lose the ability to use those. How convenient is it to have to choose between range and speed/convenience?
beatiful Colorado
Isn't Floyd Hill just on the east side of Idaho Springs? I always called that stretch Dinosaur hill (Golden to Genesee)
I would argue against "range range range". Besides road trips, how often will you drive 250 miles in a day? I would say weight weight weight. I'm on my 6th winter on my Winter tires. My little Fit weighs 2500lbs
About categories in your scoring methodology:
1. I think 0-80% SoC recharge time metric is kinda useless. A more practical metric would be "miles gained after charging 15 minutes at public fast charging station".
2. Another practical metric would be "cost per mile" when charging at public stations.
Just a little correction. You are not increasing the potential range by increasing the recuperation level. The most efficient way of driving is no recuperation at all which means just sailing. Then there are no energy losses in the car due to electrical resistance which produces heat. Recuperation levels are just for convenience, so you do not need to use the break pedal. For many people it's just more fun to drive with a high recu level.