Alex just eviscerated him. Alex is our generation's Hitchens with the perfect calm manner of Sam Harris. I hope he can continue getting opponents to debate
Alex is more than that. Hitchens and Harris are both very hostile towards Christianity. Alex never is. He keeps himself open to all possibilities of reality in a very open-hearted manner, but demolishes bad arguments as waste of his time and underestimation of his intellect.
@@ShouVertica he politely takes apart his opponents without becoming emotional. Dealing with Dinesh is the most visibly frustrated Ive seen. He will deconvert more believers with his polite rationality than Hitchens. I am a huge fan but I'm biased because I share his beliefs.
@@MrCanis4 I guess I was surprised by how little Dinesh actually knew about the bible? Like, how many times did he basically say, "I don't remember that part," or "I've never read that part."
@@alflyle9955 eh, I don't care. I like his styile- it is more receptive to wide audiences. I always prioritized content over charm, which is why I like Alex more than Hitchens.
Remember when he took his mistress to an evangelical conference? He had not yet divorced his wife and he was shocked to find that the Christians paying him to speak at the conference did not approve of his decision to bring her along (and shack up with her). Good times.
I like how in Dinesh's defense of the Canaanite genocides he pulls the "all of our moral progress is Christian" card and then immediately reverts to declaring how killing women and children is a product of war and tells a story of a WW2 bomber who was commanded to slaughter thousands of women and children and how he knew it was wrong but did it anyways which 1, is exactly what the Israelites did to the amalekites, and 2, defeats the idea that we've made that moral progress to begin with. He'd start making an argument and then lose the context completely only to end up contradicting himself about the contradictions in the bible. Bro needs to retire from debates
@@MrCanis4 I honestly cannot fathom how you can get any condescending attitude from Alex, he is very respectful of religion and religious people. What's condescending is spamming emojis like a tik tok comments section.
This was such a beat down, Alex's job was more difficult simply for having to guild D'Souza through the problems he couldn't grasp. It was like watching a career prosecutor argue a case against a criminal defendant who has chosen to represent himself and is so ignorant of the law that the prosecutor has to do the work of both just to keep it from becoming a farcical mistrial.
I had an impression that Alex was getting really frustrated and losing control of his patience to not interrupt many times. I haven't heard any commenters on any of the different posts about this mention that. Am I the only one who noticed that? I've never seen Alex be so emotionally frustrated that he interrupts a lot. Maybe it wasn't as much as I remembering but I remember thinking it when I was watching it. This guy's relative patience to the rest of humanity is amazing!
it really is just a cope. People are scared of dying and decaying when the harsh truth, the only truth we know is certain, is that we will. Even very smart people will believe and defend it out of this fear
@@youlig1 So believing that a god that allegedly knows everything including everything we will do before we do it, but somehow needs to test us...... is rational? Seriously?
I agree. Generally good advice that Dinesh overlooked is that if one is a 100 pound intellectual weakling, it's a very bad idea to poke the big bear grinning at you.
Yeah, he has the most powerful being ever to exist on his side, but failed miserably because he failed to prepare... a god that medalled with the past, micromanaging everything from sodom and gomorrah to the great flood.... but now in the time we are here, he does nothing 😂 Ever noticed how religion uses this trick? And can so easily exist without there being any gods whatsoever? Thousands and thousands of them, all wrong, but yours is right? 😂 A God willing to torture his beloved forever for being honest about not being able to detect him in any honest way at all?
I have watched countless hours of debates regarding religion, god and christianity... this is probably THE best one I have had the pleasure of watching... D'Souza is such a snake oil salesman and he has it on full display here... he uses every trick in the book too... Alex, is intelligent, well spoken, knowledgeable, and just sharp as a tack... The numerous moments where he just visibly stumps D'Souza are priceless... The "earth being made before the sun" one is just hilarious beyond words. The look on D'Souza's face LOL
You would think for as many years as Dinesh has been doing this, he'd have come up with a way to answer such a simple point as "The earth is younger than the Sun"
I laughed properly so many times. Too funny. Really shows the pivots religious people do though. The amount of times you could see the look of recognition on de souzas face and then he just turned and changed the subject, literally when he was walking about.
Dinesh D'Souza is an embarrassment and a swindler, but I love him as he really helps people leave religion. Crap apologetics exposes the failures spectacularly.
What is entailed with humanism? Because when i was going by humanist it certainly required people to sacrifice to help others. It felt like a secular version of Christian charity and love ethics@stultusvenator3233
Alex is so far ahead of his opposition that it could work against him in that he may only get wannabe apologists trying to take him on rather than intelligent and accredited opposition who acknowledge the fact that he is a force to be reckoned with. Time will tell !
Alex is debating pop Christian conservatives. Very weak. He's yet to debate a true orthodox Christian scholar and leader with deep faith. This approach means nothing.
They have no better answers and have been debated, left looking like fools. Many have left religion by getting serious about defending this nonsense and looking into it honestly. House of cards built on sand I am afraid.
Troof. He still sticks with the 12yr olds interpretation of the Bible and religion in general. He argues against his own version of whichever theology while never actually entertaining them as a whole
They don't, but exposing him and his apologetic nonsense with all its demonstrable failures and fallacies is work that needs doing. The only thing Dinesh has beaten is his wife.
Alex doesn't let Dinesh off on anything in this debate, that's why i like the format of this particular debate better, where both sides can interrogate one another in real time. This doesn't work out well for Dinesh because he is a champion of the gish gallop and straw manning his opponent without them being able to challenge him right then at that moment. Dinesh constantly does slight of hands and moves the goal post. Which was a funny point in this debate where Alex throws a jab at Dinesh about moving the goal post but still missing. That was on point.
@@spectrepar2458 There is no single clear definition of Orthodox Christian both by criteria of what is Orthodox and what is a Christian. Definitionally - Orthodox means following or conforming to the traditional or generally accepted rules or beliefs of a religion, philosophy, or practice. Christian comes in many main flavors, currently the count is over 30,000 sub cults. Many of which do not consider each other Christian. So just a big mess.
For real though, has anyone here actually had religious family or friends recommend Dinesh D'Souza? I've had them recommend Frank Turek, William Lane Craig, and John MacArthur, but Dinesh?
If the Bible says Earth was made before the Sun, so it does and that’s Creationism. If Science says differently, the Creationist doesn’t agree. I don’t see how this is funny. The logical explanation to Creationism is that space is required to illuminate it. You don’t need light where there isn’t space.
I don't know why he was chosen. This isn't new for him. First thing he did was, this guy is fishy, I don't trust him. Followed by I agreed to debate this topic but I'm not educated on it and I believe the question is stupid. This is what I'll put out there instead with zero foundation or evidence. Much like his recent "documentary".
Dinesh was awful. There's plenty of solid answers to Alex' challenges, they are very old. Its odd to see DS accept a debate he was unprepared for. He embarrassed himself. James White or William Lane Craig would have made for a much better debate.
As for contradictions in the gospels, surely they agree on the lineage of Jesus ... RIGHT???🤔 *Matthew 1:15-16* 15 Elihud the father of Eleazar, Eleazar the father of Matthan, Matthan the father of Jacob, 16 and *Jacob the father of Joseph* the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah. *Luke 3:23* 23 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of *Joseph, the son of Heli*
@@StannisHarlock What? Christianity is all about objective truth. Have you ever read the bible? What is atheist thought based on? What do atheists believe in?
@@victor_2216 Christianity is all about spin. Christians call the bible the word of god despite the fact that the objective truth is Jesus didn't write a single word of it. Christians saved all these writings from Paul, and none from Jesus. All you've got at best is third hand info about him despite the fact that Jesus and Paul were contemporary, which is why the two genealogies in the gospels disagree with each other. What Christians are really saying is that Jesus isn't God, even though they outwardly insist that he is. Christian faith is based on confusion and half truths at best. You defer to bible scholars when convenient and ignore them in favor of the word from your pastors when scholarly consensus is inconvenient. It's irrelevant what atheists believe in or don't believe in. The gospels contradict each other. That's the topic here.
@@StannisHarlock Gospel contradiction does not invalidate the entire Christian faith. If Paul said that Jesus's favorite drink was wine, but Matthew says it was actually water, that offers no invalidation to Christian faith. Socrates never wrote anything in Plato's five dialogues, but it's clear that everyone, including atheists, will accept it and refer to it when talking about Socrates. Christians do not call the bible the word of God. If it were the word of God, then you'd be correct-Alex himself has said many times that it's a minority of Christians who think that the bible is the literal word of God.
People wonder if Dinesh is stupid. That's not what i see, i see an arrogant, conceited man who displays contempt for who he debates with. And so he doesn't come prepared because he doesn't think he needs to. He might want to actually read the bible: 'Pride goeth before destruction: and a haughty spirit before a fall. ' He might want to take that proverb into consideration because he got destroyed up there for exactly that reason.
Alex is honestly a good thinker and intellectual, but why not debate an actual Bible scholar or theologian? DinDin was outclassed….. and damn, pine creek got old…
@@spectrepar2458 he is allowed to do whatever he wants, I just don’t see the point. DinDin is not a prominent anything. It’s like Shapiro, he’s a political commentator, but in no way shape or form is he a scholar.
@@steved5960 i mean you can complain as much as you want if you are just looking for a reason to complain, its just that he debates a wide variety of people and i see no reason to hold him to a small group when Dinesh is certainly a well known appoligist that some people listen too.
@@spectrepar2458 I’m not complaining, you’re the one complaining about my comment. Yeah but anyone can be apologist these days, that’s the problem. It’s more like a way to get the spotlight. People need to at least have some credentials in the relevant field.
@@steved5960 credentials? Like do we need some sort of agency to regulate debaters and hand out credentials? Dinesh has been in the forefront of Christian debates for years and has written several books on the subject. Its a debate about Christianity, you aren't going to get but so good of a representative on the Christian side no matter what credentials they have.
Meaning of life... WORSHIP THE CREATOR NOT HIS CREATION ⚠️SAY, GOD IS ONLY ONE. HE IS SELF-SUFFICIENT. HE BEGOT NOT NOR HE BEGOTTEN. THERE IS NOTHING LIKE TO HIM. QURAN 112 ❤️
The Bible says nothing about how old the Earth is and those are definitely not contradictions whoever this atheist is I talked to him for 5 minutes minutes and make him just sound ridiculous
1:03 It's not really that fun dude? You're embarrassed for him? When you're embarrassed for someone, say like a little child, do you point your finger in their face and aggressively laugh uproariously screaming: "I'm embarrassed for you, HAHAHAHAHA?" You seem a touch disingenuous and perhaps a touch sanctimonious. It wasn't really all that funny.
@@fentonpeter1582 Yes, I saw all of it. It was very poor debating from D'Souza. I am responding to this cringier laughing response. To me this is moronic - Look I am laughing like a little girl. 🙄
Alex is English, as was Hitchens. We have a history of not letting people get away with spouting nonsense as a career. Hence Christianity is on the wane, as it is in the rest of the 1st world European nations. America could learn a thing or two about exposing irrationality and fallacious reasoning. And you need to hurry up about it.
What? Does every atheist believe they have been blessed with infinite wisdom? Have you ever stopped to think that the majority of people of the past where Christian-at least in the west? And that this was true not only for the average citizen, but also to those we call geniuses. The English are responsible for the KJV, or is that not convenient for your "Americans are less intelligent because they are still religious". Christianity's fall in Europe has nothing to do with "logical thinking". And the reason that Christianity is still prevailing in America has nothing to do with "lack of logical thinking".
@@greyeyed123 I'm sure people will know your know your name in the future just like how they will know the others' names. WLC was talking about himself personally in that case, by the way. He didn't mean "I'd like for sugar to heal cancer, so I tell my patients it will". He meant "I'd like for there to be a God, so I take the leap of faith".
Dinesh committed so many logical fallacies in this debate it's ridiculous
He needs to go back and debate on campus. He can’t debate adults
Alex just eviscerated him. Alex is our generation's Hitchens with the perfect calm manner of Sam Harris. I hope he can continue getting opponents to debate
Alex is more than that. Hitchens and Harris are both very hostile towards Christianity. Alex never is. He keeps himself open to all possibilities of reality in a very open-hearted manner, but demolishes bad arguments as waste of his time and underestimation of his intellect.
Alex is milk toast at debating. No passion, midline positions, no wit.
@@ShouVertica he politely takes apart his opponents without becoming emotional. Dealing with Dinesh is the most visibly frustrated Ive seen. He will deconvert more believers with his polite rationality than Hitchens. I am a huge fan but I'm biased because I share his beliefs.
@@greyeyed123 thank you. Brain wasnt up and running yet when I typed that
@@mmerri9780 I don't think so, I think he ties or loses a lot in the eyes of society
Dinesh got crucified. I'm honestly amazed by how unprepared he was.
Prepared for what? For defending his BS.
@@MrCanis4 I guess I was surprised by how little Dinesh actually knew about the bible? Like, how many times did he basically say, "I don't remember that part," or "I've never read that part."
@@shassett79 My idea.
He knows damn well what it says there, but he also knows that you can't defend it at all with a moral perspective.
@@MrCanis4 Could be! Dinesh seems to have a very shaky relationship with the truth.
And Dinesh can’t get himself off the mat after 3 days.
The Lord delivered Dinesh into Alex’s hands!
None were left alive; the earth was salted, and his arguments torn down.
Dinesh - I accept to debate Alex O'Connor.
Saruman - So you have chosen death.
I love when Alex is confrontational. Sometimes he is too indulgent with his opponents.
Agree
I agree. If I recall correctly, Alex was far too kind to Jordan Peterson.
@@alflyle9955 eh, I don't care. I like his styile- it is more receptive to wide audiences. I always prioritized content over charm, which is why I like Alex more than Hitchens.
Alex o Connor is probably the best debater against theism right now. He’s a very intelligent guy
We also do have steven woodford, i suggest watching his debates
@@HECATESHINO-yc9kfyes Steven is also great. Both are fantastic ❤
Remember when he took his mistress to an evangelical conference? He had not yet divorced his wife and he was shocked to find that the Christians paying him to speak at the conference did not approve of his decision to bring her along (and shack up with her). Good times.
😂 the man is unbelievably block-headed
Do not question god's order for Dinesh to shack his mistress.
Is there a video of that?
Sounds like he is good at intelligently designing affairs!
Didn't he also date Ann Coulter?
I like how in Dinesh's defense of the Canaanite genocides he pulls the "all of our moral progress is Christian" card and then immediately reverts to declaring how killing women and children is a product of war and tells a story of a WW2 bomber who was commanded to slaughter thousands of women and children and how he knew it was wrong but did it anyways which 1, is exactly what the Israelites did to the amalekites, and 2, defeats the idea that we've made that moral progress to begin with. He'd start making an argument and then lose the context completely only to end up contradicting himself about the contradictions in the bible. Bro needs to retire from debates
This was brutal, I felt bad for Dinesh. Alex was so calm the entire time, just effortlessly dismantling his tripe.
I don't. This dude is so condescending and overconfident. It just makes me laugh. 😂🤣😂🤣😂
@@MrCanis4 I honestly cannot fathom how you can get any condescending attitude from Alex, he is very respectful of religion and religious people. What's condescending is spamming emojis like a tik tok comments section.
@@wc8246 Okay, maybe my mistake. I was talking about that Dinesh dude. Alex did great.
My response was aimed at 'I felt bad for Dinesh'.
@@MrCanis4We all make mistakes, done pretty much the exact same thing myself a few times, no biggie :)
Feeling bad for dinesh is like feeling sad for human excrement. It won't change anything. Dinesh will always be a lying, blackmailing excretion.
This was such a beat down, Alex's job was more difficult simply for having to guild D'Souza through the problems he couldn't grasp. It was like watching a career prosecutor argue a case against a criminal defendant who has chosen to represent himself and is so ignorant of the law that the prosecutor has to do the work of both just to keep it from becoming a farcical mistrial.
Well put. I felt sorry for dinesh. Being schooled by someone that could literally be his son
Dinesh D'Souza is probably the worst professional Christian apologist there is.
Nah, that's the banana dude
I dunno, there are some VERY strong contenders for that title.
@@drsatan9617 Let me guess. Did he say "god is real because a banana fits in a human hand?
then you haven't seen many lol
@@drsatan9617 They are definitely in a close sprint.
If I was God, I would be embarrased to have Dinesh on my debate team...
Well, God could always smite Dinesh if He were so inclined. :)
@@alflyle9955too bad we're living in the new testament
@@Magister195 So Jesus in the New Testament introduced the idea of eternal punishment in a lake of fire. I'm OK with that for Dinesh. Are you?
Hitchens is enjoying this in atheist heaven.
There’s no heaven. According to Hitchens. Not even an atheist one. People just die and are done.
@ava1431 its called a joke.
@@jesterc.6763 know of something called sarcasm?
I had an impression that Alex was getting really frustrated and losing control of his patience to not interrupt many times. I haven't heard any commenters on any of the different posts about this mention that. Am I the only one who noticed that? I've never seen Alex be so emotionally frustrated that he interrupts a lot. Maybe it wasn't as much as I remembering but I remember thinking it when I was watching it. This guy's relative patience to the rest of humanity is amazing!
Because Dinesh was getting off topic and trying to preach and not stick to the format.
I’m not sure whether i should laugh or cry. People actually believe and try and defend this craziness, and we call ourselves intelligent beings.
it really is just a cope. People are scared of dying and decaying when the harsh truth, the only truth we know is certain, is that we will. Even very smart people will believe and defend it out of this fear
Dinesh: "The gospels are constantly...uh ..."
Alex: "Contradicting each other?" 😎
this compilation of clips is so funny. alex's comedic timing is perfect
The only time a religious apologist is in a fair fight is when he or she is talking talking to the sheep in the congregation
Are you an apologist for Stalin or mao?
Not all religious apologists are like that though. One can be religious and still rational and educated.
@@youlig1Educated yes, rational whilst holding a faith position? 100% no. Believing based on feeling not evidence is not rational.
@@anoxia_____625Don't give atheists a bad name. You're strawmanning Religious people.
@@youlig1 So believing that a god that allegedly knows everything including everything we will do before we do it, but somehow needs to test us...... is rational? Seriously?
As a Christian, I must admit that this debate with Dinesh was a humiliating disaster. Dinesh was woefully unprepared to face Alex.
I agree. Generally good advice that Dinesh overlooked is that if one is a 100 pound intellectual weakling, it's a very bad idea to poke the big bear grinning at you.
And you're still a superstitious person 🤦🏻♂️
Yeah, he has the most powerful being ever to exist on his side, but failed miserably because he failed to prepare... a god that medalled with the past, micromanaging everything from sodom and gomorrah to the great flood.... but now in the time we are here, he does nothing 😂
Ever noticed how religion uses this trick? And can so easily exist without there being any gods whatsoever? Thousands and thousands of them, all wrong, but yours is right? 😂 A God willing to torture his beloved forever for being honest about not being able to detect him in any honest way at all?
Been following Alex since he was a teenager and he has only become sharper and sharper in his analysis.
Did not expect to hear Enya in this video...awesome...thanks Brother, you made me laugh too! =)
"it got that bit wrong"
*understatement of the year*
I have watched countless hours of debates regarding religion, god and christianity... this is probably THE best one I have had the pleasure of watching... D'Souza is such a snake oil salesman and he has it on full display here... he uses every trick in the book too... Alex, is intelligent, well spoken, knowledgeable, and just sharp as a tack... The numerous moments where he just visibly stumps D'Souza are priceless... The "earth being made before the sun" one is just hilarious beyond words. The look on D'Souza's face LOL
Apologetics never really has anything to offer. The young man is simply applying logic.
You would think for as many years as Dinesh has been doing this, he'd have come up with a way to answer such a simple point as "The earth is younger than the Sun"
I laughed properly so many times. Too funny. Really shows the pivots religious people do though. The amount of times you could see the look of recognition on de souzas face and then he just turned and changed the subject, literally when he was walking about.
Dinesh D'Souza is an embarrassment and a swindler, but I love him as he really helps people leave religion. Crap apologetics exposes the failures spectacularly.
Lmao. I love your reaction to this because it’s the only proper reaction. Giddy laughter at the absurdity of Dinny Boy.
I mean Alex was using kiddy gloves, pulling out the easy stuff and Dinesh was stumped lol.
Ideology is what drives mankind to purpose. We need some ideology that doesn't hurt anyone.
Humanism.
What is entailed with humanism? Because when i was going by humanist it certainly required people to sacrifice to help others. It felt like a secular version of Christian charity and love ethics@stultusvenator3233
@@spectrepar2458
I agree that is what I meant just without the Christian hate and lack of compassion.
Alex is so far ahead of his opposition that it could work against him in that he may only get wannabe apologists trying to take him on rather than intelligent and accredited opposition who acknowledge the fact that he is a force to be reckoned with.
Time will tell !
That was a work of art. 😂
You make me laugh, it's contagious!
Im still waiting for this debate to be uploaded to ph
Dinesh was unprepared for such a mental slaughter .
I hope Mr. O'Conner has read the latest literature on how to deal with Godsheimer patients. He has a textbook case here.
I wasn’t going to watch this debate because D’Souza is always so boring. But I may have to now.😂
Laughing out loud here too...🤣🤣🤣 this was epic
"Oh iam not gonna prepapre for that little youtube guy!" ... xD
Dines D'Souza.....THESE ARE YOUR RIGHT WING HEROES
Its fun watching you enjoy this. I was too annoyed to laugh.
Alex is debating pop Christian conservatives. Very weak.
He's yet to debate a true orthodox Christian scholar and leader with deep faith.
This approach means nothing.
They have no better answers and have been debated, left looking like fools. Many have left religion by getting serious about defending this nonsense and looking into it honestly.
House of cards built on sand I am afraid.
Troof. He still sticks with the 12yr olds interpretation of the Bible and religion in general. He argues against his own version of whichever theology while never actually entertaining them as a whole
This debate felt ableist.
Dinesh has been so wrong about so many things for so long that I wonder why ANYONE takes him seriously?
They don't, but exposing him and his apologetic nonsense with all its demonstrable failures and fallacies is work that needs doing.
The only thing Dinesh has beaten is his wife.
Alex doesn't let Dinesh off on anything in this debate, that's why i like the format of this particular debate better, where both sides can interrogate one another in real time. This doesn't work out well for Dinesh because he is a champion of the gish gallop and straw manning his opponent without them being able to challenge him right then at that moment. Dinesh constantly does slight of hands and moves the goal post. Which was a funny point in this debate where Alex throws a jab at Dinesh about moving the goal post but still missing. That was on point.
Dinesh's best point was in his intro, when he pointed out that Alex, in the tradition of fellow brits Hitchens and Dawkins, is a much better speaker
As an Orthodox Christian, we don't claim D'Souza.
You have no choice LOL
@@stultusvenator3233 Sure we do. He's not Orthodox.
@ljss6805 what defines orthodox Christian. I swear to the gods im not going to start a debate i just want to know.
@@spectrepar2458
There is no single clear definition of Orthodox Christian both by criteria of what is Orthodox and what is a Christian.
Definitionally - Orthodox means following or conforming to the traditional or generally accepted rules or beliefs of a religion, philosophy, or practice.
Christian comes in many main flavors, currently the count is over 30,000 sub cults. Many of which do not consider each other Christian.
So just a big mess.
For real though, has anyone here actually had religious family or friends recommend Dinesh D'Souza? I've had them recommend Frank Turek, William Lane Craig, and John MacArthur, but Dinesh?
If the Bible says Earth was made before the Sun, so it does and that’s Creationism. If Science says differently, the Creationist doesn’t agree. I don’t see how this is funny. The logical explanation to Creationism is that space is required to illuminate it. You don’t need light where there isn’t space.
D'Souza could win a debate with a rock.
couldn't win.....
If Dinesh 20K had used Ray Comfort's banana he may be able to save himself from slipping up, tripping up like crazy in the debate with Alex 🙂
I don't know why he was chosen. This isn't new for him. First thing he did was, this guy is fishy, I don't trust him. Followed by I agreed to debate this topic but I'm not educated on it and I believe the question is stupid. This is what I'll put out there instead with zero foundation or evidence. Much like his recent "documentary".
Dinesh D'Souza is one of the most terrible Christian apologists and debaters.
Alex O’Connor owned Dinesh DeSoussie but unfortunately Alex will have to let Dinesh go after 7 years per the OT. 😅
I really don't understand how people can stay so illogical...
It's not a contradiction because they always contradict each other 😂 isn't that proving his point?
People comment against Dinesh that doesn't matter Dinesh is wrong.
Really like Alex. But I was a bit disgusted with the kid gloves he used on Peterson.
Beautiful edit hahaha
This video is a guilty pleasure. Whatever. I've only played it on loop for like 30 minutes nbd
Alex dismantled and embarrassed Dinesh to his face…
I don't have much sympathy for Dinesh. How could you come to a debate that unprepared?
He was prepared with one liners and apologetic crap. Not to face facts and reason.
It wasn't a debate. Dinesh can't debate.
Dinesh was awful. There's plenty of solid answers to Alex' challenges, they are very old. Its odd to see DS accept a debate he was unprepared for. He embarrassed himself. James White or William Lane Craig would have made for a much better debate.
danesh should return all the money he's ever been paid for a speaking engagement
Poor Dinesh was trying his best, ok? Give him a break 🤣
As for contradictions in the gospels, surely they agree on the lineage of Jesus ... RIGHT???🤔
*Matthew 1:15-16* 15 Elihud the father of Eleazar, Eleazar the father of Matthan, Matthan the father of Jacob, 16 and *Jacob the father of Joseph* the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.
*Luke 3:23* 23 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of *Joseph, the son of Heli*
This poses no difference to Christian faith.
@@victor_2216 it doesn't have to. Christian faith isn't based on an interest in truth.
@@StannisHarlock What? Christianity is all about objective truth. Have you ever read the bible? What is atheist thought based on? What do atheists believe in?
@@victor_2216 Christianity is all about spin. Christians call the bible the word of god despite the fact that the objective truth is Jesus didn't write a single word of it. Christians saved all these writings from Paul, and none from Jesus. All you've got at best is third hand info about him despite the fact that Jesus and Paul were contemporary, which is why the two genealogies in the gospels disagree with each other.
What Christians are really saying is that Jesus isn't God, even though they outwardly insist that he is.
Christian faith is based on confusion and half truths at best.
You defer to bible scholars when convenient and ignore them in favor of the word from your pastors when scholarly consensus is inconvenient.
It's irrelevant what atheists believe in or don't believe in. The gospels contradict each other. That's the topic here.
@@StannisHarlock Gospel contradiction does not invalidate the entire Christian faith. If Paul said that Jesus's favorite drink was wine, but Matthew says it was actually water, that offers no invalidation to Christian faith. Socrates never wrote anything in Plato's five dialogues, but it's clear that everyone, including atheists, will accept it and refer to it when talking about Socrates. Christians do not call the bible the word of God. If it were the word of God, then you'd be correct-Alex himself has said many times that it's a minority of Christians who think that the bible is the literal word of God.
STOP LAUGHING AT HIM!
Have some sympathy. 😠
At some point you have to give up defending nonsense.
People wonder if Dinesh is stupid. That's not what i see, i see an arrogant, conceited man who displays contempt for who he debates with. And so he doesn't come prepared because he doesn't think he needs to.
He might want to actually read the bible: 'Pride goeth before destruction: and a haughty spirit before a fall. '
He might want to take that proverb into consideration because he got destroyed up there for exactly that reason.
I was wondering if you’d seen this!!
contradiction each other 😂😂😂 right
Alex is honestly a good thinker and intellectual, but why not debate an actual Bible scholar or theologian? DinDin was outclassed….. and damn, pine creek got old…
Is he only allowed to debate them or is he allowed to debate any prominent person that wants to debate him?
@@spectrepar2458 he is allowed to do whatever he wants, I just don’t see the point. DinDin is not a prominent anything. It’s like Shapiro, he’s a political commentator, but in no way shape or form is he a scholar.
@@steved5960 i mean you can complain as much as you want if you are just looking for a reason to complain, its just that he debates a wide variety of people and i see no reason to hold him to a small group when Dinesh is certainly a well known appoligist that some people listen too.
@@spectrepar2458 I’m not complaining, you’re the one complaining about my comment. Yeah but anyone can be apologist these days, that’s the problem. It’s more like a way to get the spotlight. People need to at least have some credentials in the relevant field.
@@steved5960 credentials? Like do we need some sort of agency to regulate debaters and hand out credentials? Dinesh has been in the forefront of Christian debates for years and has written several books on the subject. Its a debate about Christianity, you aren't going to get but so good of a representative on the Christian side no matter what credentials they have.
O conner is a better hitchens
Dinesh was so bad.
I actually did it (piss in my pants)
Djnesh was horrible.... hard to watch
Alex challenge Quran
Meaning of life... WORSHIP THE CREATOR NOT HIS CREATION ⚠️SAY, GOD IS ONLY ONE. HE IS SELF-SUFFICIENT. HE BEGOT NOT NOR HE BEGOTTEN. THERE IS NOTHING LIKE TO HIM. QURAN 112 ❤️
BAHAHAHAHAH!!!
The Bible says nothing about how old the Earth is and those are definitely not contradictions whoever this atheist is I talked to him for 5 minutes minutes and make him just sound ridiculous
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1:03 It's not really that fun dude? You're embarrassed for him? When you're embarrassed for someone, say like a little child, do you point your finger in their face and aggressively laugh uproariously screaming: "I'm embarrassed for you, HAHAHAHAHA?"
You seem a touch disingenuous and perhaps a touch sanctimonious. It wasn't really all that funny.
Research Flat Earth.
Always good for a laugh. Just goes to show that idiots will believe almost anything
Flat earth 😂
Corny, Jumps from 1 topic to another while Dinesh is trying to address a healing miracle the guy runs to Genesis 🤦♂️
That's the video? At least he is up their debating. People who get embarrassed for others are born losers.
Not sure if you are aware the full length is nearly 2 hours. Well worth the effort.
cheers
@@fentonpeter1582 Yes, I saw all of it. It was very poor debating from D'Souza. I am responding to this cringier laughing response. To me this is moronic - Look I am laughing like a little girl. 🙄
Alex is English, as was Hitchens. We have a history of not letting people get away with spouting nonsense as a career. Hence Christianity is on the wane, as it is in the rest of the 1st world European nations. America could learn a thing or two about exposing irrationality and fallacious reasoning. And you need to hurry up about it.
What? Does every atheist believe they have been blessed with infinite wisdom? Have you ever stopped to think that the majority of people of the past where Christian-at least in the west? And that this was true not only for the average citizen, but also to those we call geniuses. The English are responsible for the KJV, or is that not convenient for your "Americans are less intelligent because they are still religious". Christianity's fall in Europe has nothing to do with "logical thinking". And the reason that Christianity is still prevailing in America has nothing to do with "lack of logical thinking".
@@greyeyed123 And that goes to atheists as well. Proving the original comment wrong.
@@greyeyed123 Yes. You are much more knowledgeable and intelligent than people like WLC, Isaac Newton, Pope Gregory XIII, so on.
@@greyeyed123 I'm sure people will know your know your name in the future just like how they will know the others' names. WLC was talking about himself personally in that case, by the way. He didn't mean "I'd like for sugar to heal cancer, so I tell my patients it will". He meant "I'd like for there to be a God, so I take the leap of faith".
@@victor_2216oh man, I would rethink my whole life if I were you...
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