Regarding yellowing of the clearcoat on the cfk: Your paint shop can blend a little bit of light blue transparent pigment to the clear coat before respraying. The blue hue will offset the yellowing a bit better. Not like "you will never see it again" but pretty decent.
My experience is about the same with my 570S. I do my own work. I have an MDS. It's been basic maintenance. Lots of driving, trips, track days and smiles. Thanks for all your videos. They have helped point the way more than once.
WOW. didn’t realize you were so close. I’m in Raleigh NC. you give me hope these cars can be operated within a reasonable 2-4K a year. I’m looking at the 570S and was going to discount it because of lack of local knowledge.
Hi Shaun/Shaun/Sean? I am terribly sorry, but I have no clue how to spell your name correctly. I just wanted to say thank you to your 12C ownership diaries. Just returned home from a test drive with 12C number 135 which is currently for sale. And, very much also because your content here has encouraged me and given me confidence that I am doing the right thing, I am going to buy the car. The process will probably require a couple of weeks before it is all complete, but I can see myself driving #135 later this summer. Thank you very much for your brilliant work!
@@McMedics Thank you very much for offering. The car is located in Switzerland though, which makes it a bit of a challenge for me to have you do the PPI. I have seen the full documentation of the car, that goes as far back as to the order that was put in, even before the price was published. The Ron Dennis letter is there also. The current owner is owner number 3 and he has had the car for five years or 34000 kms. All the critical topics have been addressed in the past, like fuel rail rework campaign, oil cooler return pipe campaign, rear lights, gearbox, a/c lcd's, accumulators, some new wishbones, wiper motor, cam phaser, delamination of the rear glass, upgrade to IRIS2, upgrade to the most recent ECU software, and recently the cam covers were replaced and the alternator plus coils and plugs. I do trust that this is a car that was looked after meticulously well. After the handover, I will probably pay a visit to Donau Auto near Munich, one of the independent specialists in the Thorney Motorsport network. I am sorry that I cannot afford to fly you in for a PPI though 😕
Always appreciate these updates. If something were to push me over the hump to actually own a 12C at some point it would probably factor in proximity to McMedics, lol.
Awesome video. I have a 570GT and it has been out of warranty 2 years and has been reliable and cheap to run. Less than 3K the last two years including two tires, 15K service and oil changes. And I had the work done for me at Exotic Specialty Services in Huntington Beach, CA.
@@McMedics my friend in the US is about to pay 82k for one with 20k miles on the clock. A cursory look on UK sales sites I can see 2 for 82k dollars (65k pounds) all of these examples are in great shape, so I dunno about price increases. I figure it'll be 20 years plus to realise any kind of substantial profit on one of these.
You can't compare auction to retail and any car he's paying that much for is going to come with a $20k bill to get it right. I do PPI's on these, there is a reason it's cheap.
Not bad. My Tesla has 100k miles in 5 years. I just bought my 2nd set of tires so total $2,000 for tires and $5,000 for insurance. Free supercharging so all in was $7,000 for 5 years plus a gallon of washer fluid. Surpised a MP4-12C is not that much more to own. I wish i can work on the car myself and save $ like you. How much do you think it woukd be if you came to L.A. once a year and worked on a MP4-12C at my house (no lift).
@@McMedics that is very reasonable. I thought owners may have to cover your travel and hotel. I watched all your videos and I don't even have a McLearn. My dream car though.
Good video, exactly what I was looking for.. About to buy a 720s or 650s.. Can’t decide to be honest… There is just something about the 650s that looks amazing… Still, the option is there.. Can I ask, what do you really like about both? Having the choice of only one, what you buy knowing what you know now? Cheers.
I bought a 720 and still have the 12C. They're both special in their own ways but not the same price point by far. What you're after, how you'll use it, and what you can spend dictates direction.
Thanks for posting these videos and giving many of us hope lol. I've seen you post on the McLaren forum as well. In your experience, is it possible to get parts from McLaren to do an engine rebuild or are there aftermarket parts available? I had a V8 Vantage years ago which spun a rod bearing so I like to know the worst case scenario beforehand. In the case of 570s which I'm looking at, it comes down to a full engine rebuild and transmission rebuild cost. I know some DCTs can be rebuilt at specialized shops (I believe 458 and SLS DCTs for example) but have no idea about McLaren units. Thanks!
@@McMedics Any rough idea of the labor costs involved? I see taking the engine out of the 12C is quite laborious. I thought it was annoying to have it done in my former 355 for the timing belts but at least there the car was designed for a relatively quick drop.
Just bought a 2017 570gt one owner 6800miles full history. Even got 50% of original tyre tread left so definitely lived an easy life (full history) …got a 3 month dealer warranty. What are your thoughts on extending warranty further cost £2750 for 12 months in uk ?
Those are the stock mclaren wheels, forged? They look nice. Do mclarens come stock with ceramic rotors? I'm looking at various models and they all seem to have them.
The superlights are great wheels, that's what mine are. Most 12C's don't have carbon ceramic, rare option. 650's started becoming standard and all future models.
The only people who want low miles are first time buyers that think low is good, and people who will never drive them. Low mile cars are problematic and cost more to buy and more to own.
5k per year isn’t too bad given this car is about 300k (new). You could’ve driven a Toyota a Corolla and spent a little less but missed out on the fun, thrill of driving and all the friendships😂. That’s awesome, Sean. See you in a few weeks.
Shit I’ve paid more than that in 1 year with on my 50k mile ‘17 Panamera turbo. Brakes, oil filter housing replacement, and 2 motor mount replacement. $18k…..
You mean the guys that don't own them and repeat garbage the other people that can't afford them and say how much better their Charger is? Actual owners only have complaints when it acts dumb because they don't drive them.
1 video, I guess the whole brand is terrible! Search UA-cam for Ferrari fire, Lamborghini fire, Porsche coolant leak 911 engine failure, you'll get more results
@@TheRaysDoc Buy the cheapest available, coupled with how McLaren handles warranty work and sensationalize for views. Know what he doesn't tell you? He never had a problem with that car when he owned it. I drove it too, some months after he got it, solid car after an Italian tune up to get rid of the CEL.
I lost 25000 euro in a year with M5 F90 depreciaton. I have bought 2021 used M5 last year, I sold it 11 months later with losing 25k euro. So 5 year 25000 euro is pretty acceptable.
Thank you for continuing to do McLaren content. Very difficult to find knowledgeable McLaren channels. Keep up the good work!
You're an inspiration to us 12c owners! Appreciate the update and content!
Regarding yellowing of the clearcoat on the cfk: Your paint shop can blend a little bit of light blue transparent pigment to the clear coat before respraying. The blue hue will offset the yellowing a bit better. Not like "you will never see it again" but pretty decent.
My experience is about the same with my 570S. I do my own work. I have an MDS. It's been basic maintenance. Lots of driving, trips, track days and smiles. Thanks for all your videos. They have helped point the way more than once.
Great Update, Shawn. Thanks for helping us all keep these beautiful cars on the road.
I just started looking at these as an upgrade to my c6 zr1 and this video is exaclty what i was looking for. Have always loved these cars
WOW. didn’t realize you were so close. I’m in Raleigh NC. you give me hope these cars can be operated within a reasonable 2-4K a year. I’m looking at the 570S and was going to discount it because of lack of local knowledge.
Hi Shaun/Shaun/Sean? I am terribly sorry, but I have no clue how to spell your name correctly. I just wanted to say thank you to your 12C ownership diaries. Just returned home from a test drive with 12C number 135 which is currently for sale. And, very much also because your content here has encouraged me and given me confidence that I am doing the right thing, I am going to buy the car. The process will probably require a couple of weeks before it is all complete, but I can see myself driving #135 later this summer. Thank you very much for your brilliant work!
Remember, I also do PPI's so you can know what you're getting into or maybe even decide that one isn't for you.
@@McMedics Thank you very much for offering. The car is located in Switzerland though, which makes it a bit of a challenge for me to have you do the PPI. I have seen the full documentation of the car, that goes as far back as to the order that was put in, even before the price was published. The Ron Dennis letter is there also. The current owner is owner number 3 and he has had the car for five years or 34000 kms. All the critical topics have been addressed in the past, like fuel rail rework campaign, oil cooler return pipe campaign, rear lights, gearbox, a/c lcd's, accumulators, some new wishbones, wiper motor, cam phaser, delamination of the rear glass, upgrade to IRIS2, upgrade to the most recent ECU software, and recently the cam covers were replaced and the alternator plus coils and plugs. I do trust that this is a car that was looked after meticulously well. After the handover, I will probably pay a visit to Donau Auto near Munich, one of the independent specialists in the Thorney Motorsport network. I am sorry that I cannot afford to fly you in for a PPI though 😕
@@fritzbrause6332 Thorney knows what they’re doing for sure. If they give it a PPI, you’ll have a solid car.
What colour is this 12C please? Was one of the previous owners called Martin? Swiss guy...
It's graphite gray, I don't know any prior owners.
Always appreciate these updates. If something were to push me over the hump to actually own a 12C at some point it would probably factor in proximity to McMedics, lol.
I'm always in proximity, literally worldwide travel to work on them.
Awesome video. I have a 570GT and it has been out of warranty 2 years and has been reliable and cheap to run. Less than 3K the last two years including two tires, 15K service and oil changes. And I had the work done for me at Exotic Specialty Services in Huntington Beach, CA.
Damn
Smart man. That 12c will go up in value.
That’s what my friend says
They haven't hit bottom yet they will hit high 80s before they go up. I plan to get one in 3 or 4 years. Hope they don't go up before theen
They already wholesaled in 80's and went up, they came down with the entire market, they'll never retail in 80's unless it's in horrible shape
@@McMedics my friend in the US is about to pay 82k for one with 20k miles on the clock. A cursory look on UK sales sites I can see 2 for 82k dollars (65k pounds) all of these examples are in great shape, so I dunno about price increases. I figure it'll be 20 years plus to realise any kind of substantial profit on one of these.
You can't compare auction to retail and any car he's paying that much for is going to come with a $20k bill to get it right. I do PPI's on these, there is a reason it's cheap.
Great video. I have 7.5k miles on mine and insurance is $1.8k/yr in LA so yeah, it ain’t no Camry but it’s a lot more fun.
I have also owned my 12C Spider for 3 years now. Amazing car, and like Sean, looking to get a 720S.
I did buy a 720, kept the 12C
Not bad. My Tesla has 100k miles in 5 years. I just bought my 2nd set of tires so total $2,000 for tires and $5,000 for insurance. Free supercharging so all in was $7,000 for 5 years plus a gallon of washer fluid. Surpised a MP4-12C is not that much more to own. I wish i can work on the car myself and save $ like you. How much do you think it woukd be if you came to L.A. once a year and worked on a MP4-12C at my house (no lift).
I actually go to SoCal 4+ times a year already. Annual service could be as low as $700, depends on the year.
@@McMedics that is very reasonable. I thought owners may have to cover your travel and hotel. I watched all your videos and I don't even have a McLearn. My dream car though.
Owners do cover that except when I'm already there for a week like I do in that area.
8 years and 3k in self repairs.
Honda reliability
Have you done a video on the comparison between the 12c and 720 performance differences and every day driving
I meant to over a year ago, never got around to it.
Dude you’re a god send for this video. 🎉😂
This car is under-rated in terms of performance and reliability
Good video, exactly what I was looking for.. About to buy a 720s or 650s.. Can’t decide to be honest… There is just something about the 650s that looks amazing… Still, the option is there.. Can I ask, what do you really like about both? Having the choice of only one, what you buy knowing what you know now? Cheers.
I bought a 720 and still have the 12C. They're both special in their own ways but not the same price point by far. What you're after, how you'll use it, and what you can spend dictates direction.
Thanks for posting these videos and giving many of us hope lol. I've seen you post on the McLaren forum as well. In your experience, is it possible to get parts from McLaren to do an engine rebuild or are there aftermarket parts available? I had a V8 Vantage years ago which spun a rod bearing so I like to know the worst case scenario beforehand. In the case of 570s which I'm looking at, it comes down to a full engine rebuild and transmission rebuild cost. I know some DCTs can be rebuilt at specialized shops (I believe 458 and SLS DCTs for example) but have no idea about McLaren units. Thanks!
Yes, engine rebuild is actually something McMedics does. There are factory parts in some capacity available as well as some aftermarket support.
@@McMedics Any rough idea of the labor costs involved? I see taking the engine out of the 12C is quite laborious. I thought it was annoying to have it done in my former 355 for the timing belts but at least there the car was designed for a relatively quick drop.
Engine out and back in alone is 30 hrs, plus whatever repairs.
@@McMedics Thank you very much, that's very helpful!
Just bought a 2017 570gt one owner 6800miles full history. Even got 50% of original tyre tread left so definitely lived an easy life (full history) …got a 3 month dealer warranty. What are your thoughts on extending warranty further cost £2750 for 12 months in uk ?
I'd replace those tires due to age, but I'm not a fan of the extended warranty. You typically won't spend as much fixing it as you do the warranty.
Well done!!!
Loved my 12C. Miss it. Would have kept it if I had the space. My 600LT is almost as good. 😎 Both 30K+ miles each on them by myself.
Those are the stock mclaren wheels, forged? They look nice. Do mclarens come stock with ceramic rotors? I'm looking at various models and they all seem to have them.
Those are the super light wheels. Carbon ceramic brakes are an option. Many cars were spec’d with them.
The superlights are great wheels, that's what mine are. Most 12C's don't have carbon ceramic, rare option. 650's started becoming standard and all future models.
Stealth package wheels
Was the service performed at McLaren dealership?
Of course not! I service cars all over the world myself.
I liked when you were on Normal Guy Supercar UA-cam channel livestream.
The one I crashed or the one at EAG doing the manual swap?
@@McMedics When you came in late April 2022...and did a live and answered my stupid questions about McLarens.
Ah yes, that was a random appearance. I got asked if I wanted to do that about 15 minutes before I was on camera LOL
How many hours have you put in in labour 😊
Smart man. The thing will appreciate neatly
@@executiveinvestments I'd rather have a 10 year old car with 50k miles than 5k miles.
@@executiveinvestments that’s not ‘very high’ miles. You want cars that have been driven and maintained. If they sit, they rot.
The only people who want low miles are first time buyers that think low is good, and people who will never drive them. Low mile cars are problematic and cost more to buy and more to own.
@@executiveinvestments True but totally unreasonable this fixation at low mileage. Garage queens are a risk and cars should be driven.
That's normal mileage for that age, that's not low mileage at all. My 2018 720 I bought with 11k in November, it has 16k now.
You never replaced the hydraulic accumulators?
I did, I think in year 4 video.
What the heck does this man do in order to afford 2 McLarens?
5k per year isn’t too bad given this car is about 300k (new). You could’ve driven a Toyota a Corolla and spent a little less but missed out on the fun, thrill of driving and all the friendships😂. That’s awesome, Sean. See you in a few weeks.
Mp4-12c great Supercar👍👍👍😎
What does a clutch service consist of?
Fluid and filter
No accumulators in 5 years?
I did accumulators in year 4 or 5 I don't remember, it should be in either of those videos.
I wish you were my neighbor. I would love to own a Mclaren but the maintenance is what scares me.
I travel the world maintaining these cars, so I can be your neighbor that's never home.
@@McMedics Then your real neighbor can use your garage to fix his own McLaren since you are never home!
Do you have a tune for a 2021 gt?
Sure do
@@McMedics
Feel like sharing more information on it?
Shit I’ve paid more than that in 1 year with on my 50k mile ‘17 Panamera turbo. Brakes, oil filter housing replacement, and 2 motor mount replacement. $18k…..
The bee wanted to be in the video 🥰🥰🥰🐝
I had to subscribe so that when I get my McLaren in a few years I’ll be back🙂↕️
must be the most reliable mclaren ever made because guys complain about mclaren ownership constantly.
You mean the guys that don't own them and repeat garbage the other people that can't afford them and say how much better their Charger is? Actual owners only have complaints when it acts dumb because they don't drive them.
@@McMedics ua-cam.com/video/IGgnLeIdm-Q/v-deo.html
1 video, I guess the whole brand is terrible! Search UA-cam for Ferrari fire, Lamborghini fire, Porsche coolant leak 911 engine failure, you'll get more results
ua-cam.com/video/PoviOeSzmME/v-deo.html
@@TheRaysDoc Buy the cheapest available, coupled with how McLaren handles warranty work and sensationalize for views. Know what he doesn't tell you? He never had a problem with that car when he owned it. I drove it too, some months after he got it, solid car after an Italian tune up to get rid of the CEL.
I lost 25000 euro in a year with M5 F90 depreciaton. I have bought 2021 used M5 last year, I sold it 11 months later with losing 25k euro. So 5 year 25000 euro is pretty acceptable.
One wasn't depreciation, it was total ownership with maintenance and modifications. Depreciation has been about $10k over now 6 years
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Did you go to a mclaren dealer for that 2200 dollar work?
I'm the one that gets paid to do the work.
I may buy one in a year or so after I sell an investment…may come to you for a tune ..I’m in PA if your in east coast
I travel all over the world servicing these cars, tunes included.
4,000 miles??? I drive that much with my Corolla in 3 weeks
How many miles a year do you do on your Bugatti?
Sorry, you did the service.