Great video, I have noticed the increase in quality now that you have a new laptop. The appeal in your videos for me is that they are like scholarly articles but in video form. Unlike many other videos about history, you discuss your sources in depth and give clear and concise explanations as to their reliability. I look forward to more videos in this series about Nogai, keep it up! By the way, I think there is a small audio issue in this video. The audio of you talking is only hearable on the left channel, i.e. if you use stereo headphones, the audio of you talking comes only from the left ear.
Thank you! That is what I aim for with this. It's actually a good writing experiment to try and condense a more detailed explanation into appropriate format for UA-cam, so I always enjoy them. I've noticed the audio issue now as well. I haven't the faintest issue where that came from, as it seemed fine with editing and I've never had the problem before. I'll have to try and explore what happened.
I don't think my views changed substantially from when we talked. I had mostly the outline of the thesis done around then so there was a great change in the topic as a whole. Only in some specific areas which I think would be hard to illustrate in the podcast.
By coincidence, this falls on my birthday. A genuinely rigorous scholarly video series on my personal ancestors and favourite Mongol Khanate is pretty good insofar as unintentional birthday presents go.
Сперва изучи историю личности беклярбека Ногая,чем глупости нести. Он был величайщим полководцем командовавщиц золото ордынскими войсками при БЕРЕКЕТ МУХАММАД ХАНЕ(БЕРКЕ) И ПОБЕДИВШИЙ НА р.Тереке АРМИЮ ХУЛАГУ . ОН БЫЛ СОЮЗНИКОМ И СУЛТАН БЕЙБАРСУ И ДЕРЖАЛ В НАПРЯЖЕНИИ ПОСЛЕ ПОБЕДЫ ХУЛАГУ ХАНА ,ВОТ ПОЧЕМУ ХУЛАГУ ХАН НЕ СМОГ ОКАЗАТЬ ПОМОЩЬ КЕТ БУГЕ В БИТВЕ СУЛТАН БЕЙБАРСОМ,ГДЕ БЕКЛЯРБЕК ЗА СМЕРТЬ ОТЦА И ЦАРЕВИЧЕЙ ЗОЛОТОЙ ОРДЫ,КОТОРЫЕ НАХОДИЛИСЬ У ХУЛАГУ ПОСЛАМИ БЫЛИ УБИТЫ,ОН ОТОМСТИЛ . ПОСЛЕ ПОБЕДЫ НАД АРМИЕЙ ХУЛАГУ ХАНА, БЕРЕКЕТ МУХАММАД ХАН(БЕРКЕ) ПЕРЕБРОСИТЬ ЕГО НА САМУЮ ЗАПАДНУЮ ГРАНИЦУ ЗОЛОТОЙ ОРДЫ В СТАВКУ ИСАКЧИ НА УСТЬЕ р.Дунай ,где ему дадут прозвище ИЙЕСИ НОГАЙ ,ЧТО ОЗНАЧАЕТ ХОЗЯИН НОГАЙ И БУДЕТ ПРАВИТЬ ПРИЧЕРНОМОРСКИМИ И КРЫМСКИМИ ЗЕМЛЯМИ ДОВОЛЬНО УСПЕШНО РАЗВИВАЯ ЭКОНОМИКУ СВОЕЙ ВОТЧИНЫ ЗАВЯЗАВ ТОРГОВЫЕ ОТНОШЕНИЯ С ИНОСТРАНЦАМИ ОТКРЫВ ФАКТОРИИ ДЛЯ НИХ. ПОСЛЕ СМЕРТИ БЕРКЕ ХАНА ОН БУДЕТ СТАРШИМ ИЗ ЧИНГИЗИДОВ И БУДЕТ СТАВИТЬ НА ТРОН СВОИХ МАРИОНЕТОК РОДСТВЕННИКОВ НА ТРОН В СТОЛИЦЕ САРАЙ БЕРКЕ. ПОСЛЕДНЕЙ МАРИОНЕТКОЙ БЫЛ ТОХТА,КОТОРЫЙ И СТАНЕТ ЕГО СМЕРТЬЮ ,ИБО САМЫЕ БЛИЗКИЕ РОДСТВЕННИКИ БЫВАЮТ САМЫМИ ЗЛЕЙЩИМИ ВРАГАМИ И РАЗРУЩИТЕЛЯМИ ,ЧТО МЫ И НАБЛЮДАЕМ,КАК ТОХТА ОГОЛИЛ ЗАПАДНУЮ ГРАНИЦУ ЗОЛОТОЙ ОРДЫ,КОТОРУЮ БЕКЛЯРБЕК НОГАЙ КРЕПКО ДЕРЖАЛ В СВОИХ РУКАХ ИБО ИНОСТРАНЫЕ ВОЙСКА НЕ СМЕЛИ ИДТИ К НЕМУ ВОЙНОЙ ,СВЕЖИ БЫЛИ В ПАМЯТИ ЕГО ПОБЕДЫ У ЕГО ВРАГОВ.
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory Thank you very much for the information,and thank you again for offering the most accurate informations that can be found on youtube regarding the mongol history.
Please do one on the life of Sorghagtani Beki. She was perhaps the architect to the continued success of the Mongol Empire. History scholars had very high regards for her. Thanks, sir! LL 🔥🔥🙏🙏
I only noticed the audio issue once people pointed it out: quite smartly, I had simply assumed my hearing or earphones were crap while editing it... Luckily I found out what the issue was, and now know what to do to prevent it happening again.
A couple thoughts: - roles and activities of Tamma commanders in eastern Europe would be interesting to expand on - your interview with Dr Michal Holescak related to nomadic incursions in this period was very informative - I always thought that 'Nogai the person' and 'Nogai the horde' had some connection! It would be great if you could touch on this in a future video - was there not even a ancestral use of the name that was passed down over the generations? Good to have you back!
Most of what I said here in this video will be touched upon in further episodes; including the matter of the tammachi (I will be detailing my evidence for this claim, and why I think it is more explanatory of Nogai's role that other suggestions to his position). The Nogai and Nogai Horde matter is an interesting one I will also explain. Essentially, the Nogai Horde originates with the sons of Edigu, in the region north of the Caspian Sea. Edigu, despite a few claims, had no ancestry or relation to 13th century Nogai. Further, the 13th century Nogai is never known to have lived or inhabited that northern-Caspian area: his entire career largely took place in the westernmost part of the khanate on the border of Europe, so it is hard to argue for a memory of him specifically. Neither is there any 13th or 14th century source which connects Nogai to the Manghit tribe, one of the core tribes of the Nogai Horde. The name of the Horde essentially is the only "evidence" for a connection. But a number of scholars have argued that the Nogai of Nogai Horde is an entirely different etymological origin from Prince Nogai's name (which is from the Mongolian for Dog). Even if it came from the Mongol word, it is hardly an uncommon name for Mongols. We know multiple figures named Nogai or some variation of it (especially Qara-Nogai). There is additional evidence to the matter that I will present as well, but these are the main points.
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory Венгерских истосниках армия беклярбека Ногая зафиксировано, как ногайские татары и отдельно,как кипчаки ,по этому поводу вам лучше обратиться к ученому из ВЕНГРИИ ДАУТ КАРА,КОТОРЫЙ НЕ РАЗ ПОБЫВАЛ НА МЕЖДУНАРОДНЫХ КОНФЕРЕНЦИЯХ НОГАЕВЕДОВ В КАРАЧАЕВО-ЧЕРКЕССИИ г.Черкесске,где были ученые зарубежья и СНГ. Я ДУМАЮ ПОСЛЕ ТЩАТЕЛЬНОГО ИЗУЧЕНИЯ НАДО БУДЕТ СДЕЛАТЬ ВЫВОДЫ. СЕГОДНЯ НАДО ИЗУЧИТЬ,КАК ОКАЩАЛИСЬ НА ТЕРРИТОРИИ РУМЫНИИ ,ВЕНГРИИ,БОЛГАРИИ НОГАЙЦЫ ОНИ ВЕДЬ НЕ С ЛУНЫ УПАЛИ, А ЖИВУТ И ПО СЕЙ ДЕНЬ. И ЕЩЕ НЕ НАДО ЗАБЫВАТЬ, ЧТО ТОХТА РАЗОРИВ ВОТЧИНУ НОГАЯ УВЕЛ НАСЕЛЕНИЕ НА ВОСТОК,ГДЕ ИХ РАСКИДАЛ,А ГЕНЕТИЧЕСКАЯ ПАМЯТЬ СИЛЬНАЯ ШТУКА ОНИ ПОМНИЛИ,ЧТО ПО ПРОИСЗОЖДЕНИЮ НОГАИ И ПРИНАДЛЕЖРОСТЬ ИХ ПЛЕМЕН В СВОЕ ВРЕМЯ К ПОЛКОВОДЦУ НОГАЮ.
Will you make videos about other tribes that existed in Mongolia after the series about Nogai Khan? Like the Tatars, Merkits and Keraites? Not much people know about those tribes and whereabouts of their descendants today. Most Mongol, Turkic or Tungus historians don't seem to care about those great Khanates that once shook the Mongol empire and gave a hard time to Genghis himself. It would be nice to see a video about Merkits or Keraites. Anyways, good video!
It's something I would like to revisit at some point. I did a general video on "tribes of Mongolia" years ago, but it really needs updating. It's a topic I would also like to better learn about. I have had in my head an idea about stuff on 11th and 12th century Mongolia for a long time, focusing on the Liao Dynasty rule, Khamag Mongol etc. Stuff on the Naiman, Merkit and other tribes would fit in nicely there.
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory кстати монгольские кочевые тюрки проживают и среди ногайцев Северного Кавказа и Крыма,Поволжья и Астрахани и.т.д (найманы,кереиты,мангиты и.т.д.) они ведь всегда бы кочевыми тюрками и сегодня они пересмешаны с кипчакскими, алано-аскими племенами ногаев,об этом упоминает и ибн БАТУТА. МЫ ВСЕГДА ПОД ПРОЗВИЩЕМ ЧИНГИЗ ХАНА МОНГОЛ (МУНГУЛ) ПОНИМАЕМ КОЧЕВЫХ ТЮРКОВ ,КОТОРЫХ ВЫШЕ УПОМЯНУЛ,А НЕ ТУНГУСО МАНДЖУРОВ. НАСЕЛЕНИЕ ДЕШТ-И-КИПЧАКА ДО ПРИХОДА ЧИНГИЗИДОВ И ТАК ГОВОРИЛИ НА ЯЗЫКЕ ЗАПАДНЫХ КИПЧАКОВ И ЧИНГИЗИДАМ НИЧЕГО НЕ СТОИЛО БУДУЧИ ТЮРКАМИ ПЕРЕЙТИ НА ИХ ГОВОР,ПОТОМУ,ЧТО САМИ ОНИ СОСТОЯЛИ ИЗ МНОГОЧИСЛЕНЫХ КОЧЕВЫХ ТЮРКОВ ОБЬЕДИНЕВЩИХСЯ В СОЮЗ ПОД ПРОЗВИЩЕМ ЧИНГИЗ ХАНА МОНГОЛ. ВЕДЬ ВСЕ РУССКИЕ КНЯЗЬЯ ПРЕКРАСНО ВЛАДЕЛИ ЭТИМ ЯЗЫКОМ КИПЧАКОВ. ЭТО ИСТОРИЧЕСКИЙ ФАКТ.
@@РамзесБелыйсудья Didn't you think that the Turkic Khanate is also the name of the tribal alliance? Mongol is the last name of all nomads on the northern grassland. The former tribe is now our surname. The Mongolian Khanate is beyond the reach of all nomadic countries. Today's Turks are just language titles.
Glad to see you. 👍 🇰🇿🇰🇿🇰🇿🐎🐎🐎 Very interesting part of the Golden Horde period of Jochi Ulus. (Nogai/Mamay/Edige/Berke/Khulagu/Uzbek/Toktamish/Janibek/Urus/Tamerlane).
It is one of my favourite periods, and one that gets little attention. It is very overshadowed by Ozbeg's reign. So I am very happy to help bring more attention to it.
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory it's interesting how Mongols asimilated among kipchaks.. Look at names of golden horde khans from some moment they getting more turkic, kipchak names. Actually names very interesting topic. Some names becoming a title. Some titles become to be name. Chingizkhan is a title, but now chengiz is usual name in turkic nations. Bek is a turkic title for.. Tribes head ruler, or a place.. Similar to European feudal titles. So it's not coincidence that it appears in the names of.. Özbek, Dzganibek, Ulugbek. Word BEy same to Bek. So I bet it's not coincidence that it in the name of Beybars. May be he was sold as child without name just with words.. This is a boy from nobel tribe, he a son of BEK.. Of tribe bars. You get the picture.. Beybars. Interesting story with names and titles in mid and late Nogaic horde. Rulers wasn't chengiz descendants. And sometimes names of Nogaic noblemen became as titles, which could be found in Russian documents. But that titles didn't last long. BTW Nogaic title Myrza, which also have a meaning similar to.. Senior, Lord. In modern time quite usual name in turkic nations
Gr8 vid, Jackmeister! I actually feel sorry for anyone under the apprehension of Nogai as the King of Khans. Have you considered setting up a UA-cam Super for those of us who can't commit to regular patreon?
Thank you very much! Hopefully it will become more apparent as the series goes on. It's really one of those things which, once you notice it, makes you rethink all the relevant historiography... To be honest, I've never looked into UA-cam Super before. And I haven't updated the Patreon in forever, so those are both things I can add to my to-do list.
Stefan Dečanski, the son of Serbian king Milutin was given as a hostage to Nogaj. That's why Serbia was spared from the Mongol destruction at the time.
He always struck me as a roman general of the late empire, always getting dragged into civil wars and manly staying on the fonter to face the empires enemies until he is forced by fate to declare himself emperor.
This is similar to how I feel. After reapproaching the sources, I rally got the feeling that he would have been perfect happy managing his territory in the Balkans, but kept getting drawn into Golden Horde politics. Even when he helps get Toqta in the throne in 1291, the first thing he does is immediately return to his own territory. Same thing after his first victory over Toqta in their civil war. To me, that doesn't feel like the actions of someone who wanted to exert power over the entire Golden Horde
So it seems at some point the audio track became buggered. A few people have mentioned that the voice only comes through on the left headphone. Which is annoying as it seemed fine while editing, but now does the same to me when I listen to it on UA-cam. I've yet to track down why this is
You know what would be awkward if the Mongols In Karakorum chooses One Of The Sona Of Batu to become great Khan and have to go all the way to Mongolia to rule or probably pull a Kublai Khan And move it to Sarai
It seems like there was some issue with the audio, in that it will only play in one side of the headphones if you're using them. I noticed the same issued after some other people mentioned it to me. I have no idea what caused it, as everything seemed fine during editing. I will have to look into this while preparing the next one.
Great video again .. Do you have more info about Edigu Tatar...sending army to help in fact Timurlenk Timur ..but .apparent.help Bayazid Turning trups against Bayazid ..great strategy
Hhhmm, I would have to look into it. That's the first I heard about Edigü sending such an army. I am not saying it did not happen. I know 13th century much better than I do the late 14th/early 15th Timurid period, so it might be something that happened and I just have not read enough to know about it. I will have to investigate!
Ас-салам алейкум Джеку! Слежу за вашими роликами очень интересные ролики я сам НОГАЕЦ. ПРОСТО ХОЧУ ЗАДАТЬ ВАМ ВОПРОС ПРОЗВИЩЕ ЧИНГИЗ ХАНА МОНГОЛ (МУНГУЛ) МОЖЕТ ЛИ ЯВЛЯТЬСЯ НАЦИОНАЛЬНОСТЬЮ МОНГОЛ??? ВЕДЬ МЫ ПОД ЭТИМ ПРОЗВИЩЕМ ПОНИМАЕМ СОЮЗ МНОГОЧИСЛЕННЫХ КОЧЕВЫХ ТЮРКОВ НЕКОГДА ОБЬЕДИНИВШИХСЯ ПОД ПРОЗВИЩЕМ ЧИНГИЗ ХАНА МОНГОЛ. С КЕМ ОНИ И СОВЕРШАТ ЗАВОЕВАТЕЛЬНЫЕ ПОХОДЫ НА ВОСТОК И ЗАПАД. ЧИНГИЗ ХАН ВЕДЬ БЫЛ КОЧЕВЫМ ТЮРКОМ ИЗ ПЛЕМЕНИ БОРДЖЕГИНОВ РОДА КИЯТ В ТОМ ЧИСЛЕ И ЕГО ПРАПРАВНУК БЕКЛЯРБЕК НОГАЙ.☝✊🖐
For me as a mongolian this whole history after Chinggis Khaan is sad. Centuries of game of thrones, so many leaders and warriors put to death by poison, they didn't die as a warrior on the battlefield. If Chinggis Khan lived for a decade more and chose rulers like him that would destroy the tribal differences even more, perhaps mongols would have been more successful in passing down power from one khaan to the next one. I guess if mongols didn't fight between themselves, they would have been way to op for others. Tengri!
И какой же вы монгол,если это прозвище ЧИНГИЗ ХАНА??? ВЫ,ЧТО КИЯТ???КИЯТЫ ПО СЕГОДНЯШНИЙ ДЕНЬ НАХОДЯТСЯ СРЕДИ НОГАЕВ, ВЫ О ЧЕМ???? ВЫ ХАЛХА ИЛИ БУРЯТ СКОРЕЕ ВСЕГО,НО НЕ МОНГОЛ,ВЫ ПО НАУКЕ ОТНОСИТЕСЬ К МОНГОЛЬСКОЙ РАСЕ,НО НЕ К ПРОЗАИЩУ ЧИНГИЗ ХАНА. ПОТОМУ, ЧТО КОЧЕВЫЕ ТЮРКИ ПЛЕМЕНИ БОРДЖЕГИНОВ РОДА КИЯТ ОНИ ТЮРКИ. Не морочьте ни себе ,ни людям головы.😂😂😂
Not much is known about hpw Temujin died but in Mongolia there is a folk rumour that after defeating the XiXia he took the XiXia emperor's wife who, while being coerced into becoming a concubine of Temujin, bit off the Khan's phallus which caused the Khan to die from blood loss. Initially after conquoring the XiXia Ghengis did not have intentions to massacre those who surrendered without resistance, however after the act of this woman, Ghengis, realozing he was about to die, gave orders to decimate the former kingdom, which is why such little records of XiXia exists today (destroyed). Can you provide some due dilligence or insider information on this? Or is it total bullshit commoners made up to in order to mentally belittle someone who is so much more accomplished, capable, and superior thay they themselves are. Thank you
I've previously done a video on what the various 13th century sources say on his death, which you can watch here. ua-cam.com/video/hzhY3accFZM/v-deo.html The "death during intercourse" story does not appear until some 200 or so years after his death, and nothing resembling it shows up in the sources closet to when he actually lived. So the authenticity of it we can almost immediately discard (in my opinion, it seems he suffered a fall from his horse while hunting, either just before or during the Xi Xia campaign. It probably caused some internal injuries which were not given adequate time to heal, and the rigours of the campaigns aggravated them. Either this directly led to his death, or it made him weak enough that he was susceptible to some disease or illness that finally carried him off in August 1227). The story appears in the ca. 16th century renewal in Mongolian history writing. It's suspected that it originated during the period of non-Chinggisid Oirat dominance in Mongolia (essentially the entire 1400s), who wanted to, at least somewhat, diminish Chinggis' standing. Further, I was recently at a conference where Dr. Christopher Atwood offered the likely origins of the queen in the story. In the story, Chinggis takes a Tangut Princess, there called Gürbilchin, to be his new wife after the conquest of the Tangut. She hides a knife within herself, which then is implied to cut Chinggis' penis when he goes to have sex with her. Now, the account bears no relation to anything described in 13th century sources, and no princess Tangut called Gürbilchin is known to have existed... but Dr. Atwood suggests that it was a garbled version of a bridge Chinggis did have: the Khatun of the Naiman tribe called Gürbelsü. Chinggis takes her as a (lesser) wife once he conquered the Naiman, and then nothing is known of her afterthat. But it appears folk memory may have preserved her name and resistance among the Mongols who had fought against Chinggis, and overtime transformed her name, as well as her nationality, then gets molded into a story to explain Chinggis' death. I've yet to see an explanation, other than what I've listed above, that does a good job accounting for these details. I find the notion that "this was what actually happened, but the Mongols stopped anyone from spreading it until it could be written down 200 years later!" to be frankly preposterous. There's so many versions of Chinggis Khan's death in the 13th/early 14th century sources, yet absolutely none of them describe anything remotely approaching the Gürbilchin story .
Да здравствуют кочевые тюрки под прозвищем Чингиз хана МОНГОЛЫ(МУНГУЛЫ) МОНГОЛЬСКИЕ КОЧЕВЫЕ -ТЮРКИ. А ЗНАЕШЬ ПОЧЕМУ????? ПРОСТО НЕ БЫЛО ТАКОЙ НАЦИОНАЛЬНОСТИ МОНГОЛЫ, А ПРОЗВИЩЕ НЕ МОЖЕТ БЫТЬ НАЦИЕЙ.🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺☝🖐
Nogai could have raised the vlachs to an elite level..We didn't accept it...Shame on us, we could have learnt a lot of war tactiques from the Mongols...Hristos să te ierte şi să te odihnească, Hane Noğai...But if it was for Nogai and not for Tokhtamir to rule Wallachia, Romanians would have ben muslim today. Though, Christ had other plans.
Kazakhs ruled the Golden Horde, this is our history, not a Mongol, and Genghis Khan was a Kazakh. And their names were not Mongols, but Mughals. The history of Kazakhstan was rewritten by Russia and China. And the capital of Genghis Khan, Karakorum, is located on the territory of Kazakhstan, in the Bukhtarma reservoir on the Irtysh River, which was flooded in the USSR. All tribes live on the territory of Kazakhstan. All Kazakh khans were Chingizids, This is the history of the Kazakhs, the Mongols have nothing to do with Genghis Khanau, you are looking for in Kazakhstan. And the Europeans called us Tatars, the Chinese - yuan, and these lands - Tartaria. If you check, their names are all Kazakh
Part one of the series on Nogai begins; this is the historical and scholarship context of his life
My mom is half Nogai.Thank you for great video!
Nogai was actually Loyal All Along
True Historians NEVER just accept history that's handed to them without chewing through it thoroughly first. Well done, this will be interesting.
Good to see you’re uploading again.
p.s. I really hope you’ll make a video on Batu.
Thank you! Batu and Berke will both receive more detail in the next part in this series.
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory neat 😁👍
Great video, I have noticed the increase in quality now that you have a new laptop. The appeal in your videos for me is that they are like scholarly articles but in video form. Unlike many other videos about history, you discuss your sources in depth and give clear and concise explanations as to their reliability. I look forward to more videos in this series about Nogai, keep it up!
By the way, I think there is a small audio issue in this video. The audio of you talking is only hearable on the left channel, i.e. if you use stereo headphones, the audio of you talking comes only from the left ear.
Thank you! That is what I aim for with this. It's actually a good writing experiment to try and condense a more detailed explanation into appropriate format for UA-cam, so I always enjoy them.
I've noticed the audio issue now as well. I haven't the faintest issue where that came from, as it seemed fine with editing and I've never had the problem before. I'll have to try and explore what happened.
It would be good if it could be a bit louder as well. Great video tho.
The Jack is Back! And with a series on my 2nd favourite khan no less. Legendary
Thanks Jack. You've rekindled my love of Mongol history. I'm starting from the beginning and rereading all the books I've accumulated.
Awesome video as always! Happy to see more Mongol history!
I am glad your enjoyed, there will be much more to come!
Hello jack discord pall geezo khan here thank you for helping us and I’m giving every video love as always due
Thank you, very kind of you!
Trust me you help with essays a lot it’s the least I can do for the steppe
Glad to see you back on UA-cam. I was actually thinking maybe we could do another Nogai talk to see how your views on him have changed if they have
I don't think my views changed substantially from when we talked. I had mostly the outline of the thesis done around then so there was a great change in the topic as a whole. Only in some specific areas which I think would be hard to illustrate in the podcast.
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory Whatever works for you. I'm sure I'll find a way to bring you back in.
By coincidence, this falls on my birthday. A genuinely rigorous scholarly video series on my personal ancestors and favourite Mongol Khanate is pretty good insofar as unintentional birthday presents go.
I planned the release for today exactly for this reason. Happy Birthday!
Hello are you a Nogai?
-from a Mongolian
Gret video! I just watched the second one as first, by accident, and came back here to check out the begging of the series.
Love the New drawings and Love to see your video Again
Thank you! I hope you saw where I put yours.
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory yes 😍😍
Ah yes, Nogai Khan. The gangster among gangsters. I'm glad that you are shedding another light on the subject.
Сперва изучи историю личности беклярбека Ногая,чем глупости нести. Он был величайщим полководцем командовавщиц золото ордынскими войсками при БЕРЕКЕТ МУХАММАД ХАНЕ(БЕРКЕ) И ПОБЕДИВШИЙ НА р.Тереке АРМИЮ ХУЛАГУ . ОН БЫЛ СОЮЗНИКОМ И СУЛТАН БЕЙБАРСУ И ДЕРЖАЛ В НАПРЯЖЕНИИ ПОСЛЕ ПОБЕДЫ ХУЛАГУ ХАНА ,ВОТ ПОЧЕМУ ХУЛАГУ ХАН НЕ СМОГ ОКАЗАТЬ ПОМОЩЬ КЕТ БУГЕ В БИТВЕ СУЛТАН БЕЙБАРСОМ,ГДЕ БЕКЛЯРБЕК ЗА СМЕРТЬ ОТЦА И ЦАРЕВИЧЕЙ ЗОЛОТОЙ ОРДЫ,КОТОРЫЕ НАХОДИЛИСЬ У ХУЛАГУ ПОСЛАМИ БЫЛИ УБИТЫ,ОН ОТОМСТИЛ .
ПОСЛЕ ПОБЕДЫ НАД АРМИЕЙ ХУЛАГУ ХАНА, БЕРЕКЕТ МУХАММАД ХАН(БЕРКЕ) ПЕРЕБРОСИТЬ ЕГО НА САМУЮ ЗАПАДНУЮ ГРАНИЦУ ЗОЛОТОЙ ОРДЫ В СТАВКУ ИСАКЧИ НА УСТЬЕ р.Дунай ,где ему дадут прозвище ИЙЕСИ НОГАЙ ,ЧТО ОЗНАЧАЕТ ХОЗЯИН НОГАЙ И БУДЕТ ПРАВИТЬ ПРИЧЕРНОМОРСКИМИ И КРЫМСКИМИ ЗЕМЛЯМИ ДОВОЛЬНО УСПЕШНО РАЗВИВАЯ ЭКОНОМИКУ СВОЕЙ ВОТЧИНЫ ЗАВЯЗАВ ТОРГОВЫЕ ОТНОШЕНИЯ С ИНОСТРАНЦАМИ ОТКРЫВ ФАКТОРИИ ДЛЯ НИХ. ПОСЛЕ СМЕРТИ БЕРКЕ ХАНА ОН БУДЕТ СТАРШИМ ИЗ ЧИНГИЗИДОВ И БУДЕТ СТАВИТЬ НА ТРОН СВОИХ МАРИОНЕТОК РОДСТВЕННИКОВ НА ТРОН В СТОЛИЦЕ САРАЙ БЕРКЕ. ПОСЛЕДНЕЙ МАРИОНЕТКОЙ БЫЛ ТОХТА,КОТОРЫЙ И СТАНЕТ ЕГО СМЕРТЬЮ ,ИБО САМЫЕ БЛИЗКИЕ РОДСТВЕННИКИ БЫВАЮТ САМЫМИ ЗЛЕЙЩИМИ ВРАГАМИ И РАЗРУЩИТЕЛЯМИ ,ЧТО МЫ И НАБЛЮДАЕМ,КАК ТОХТА ОГОЛИЛ ЗАПАДНУЮ ГРАНИЦУ ЗОЛОТОЙ ОРДЫ,КОТОРУЮ БЕКЛЯРБЕК НОГАЙ КРЕПКО ДЕРЖАЛ В СВОИХ РУКАХ ИБО ИНОСТРАНЫЕ ВОЙСКА НЕ СМЕЛИ ИДТИ К НЕМУ ВОЙНОЙ ,СВЕЖИ БЫЛИ В ПАМЯТИ ЕГО ПОБЕДЫ У ЕГО ВРАГОВ.
Nogai is me, thanks for your information about Nogai.
Welcome back. I miss your videos on all things mongol.
Another very interesting video. Thanks !
Good to see you post again 👍
Thank you!
Thank you for your huge amount of work Sir.
The next part will be coming soon, too!
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory Thank you very much for the information,and thank you again for offering the most accurate informations that can be found on youtube regarding the mongol history.
Please do one on the life of Sorghagtani Beki. She was perhaps the architect to the continued success of the Mongol Empire. History scholars had very high regards for her.
Thanks, sir!
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I would very much like to do a profile on her! A very fascinating woman indeed
Glad to see you making videos again. Enjoyed the video but the audio wasn't the greatest
I only noticed the audio issue once people pointed it out: quite smartly, I had simply assumed my hearing or earphones were crap while editing it... Luckily I found out what the issue was, and now know what to do to prevent it happening again.
Love your channel 💕
Thank you!
A couple thoughts:
- roles and activities of Tamma commanders in eastern Europe would be interesting to expand on - your interview with Dr Michal Holescak related to nomadic incursions in this period was very informative
- I always thought that 'Nogai the person' and 'Nogai the horde' had some connection! It would be great if you could touch on this in a future video - was there not even a ancestral use of the name that was passed down over the generations?
Good to have you back!
Most of what I said here in this video will be touched upon in further episodes; including the matter of the tammachi (I will be detailing my evidence for this claim, and why I think it is more explanatory of Nogai's role that other suggestions to his position).
The Nogai and Nogai Horde matter is an interesting one I will also explain. Essentially, the Nogai Horde originates with the sons of Edigu, in the region north of the Caspian Sea. Edigu, despite a few claims, had no ancestry or relation to 13th century Nogai. Further, the 13th century Nogai is never known to have lived or inhabited that northern-Caspian area: his entire career largely took place in the westernmost part of the khanate on the border of Europe, so it is hard to argue for a memory of him specifically. Neither is there any 13th or 14th century source which connects Nogai to the Manghit tribe, one of the core tribes of the Nogai Horde.
The name of the Horde essentially is the only "evidence" for a connection. But a number of scholars have argued that the Nogai of Nogai Horde is an entirely different etymological origin from Prince Nogai's name (which is from the Mongolian for Dog). Even if it came from the Mongol word, it is hardly an uncommon name for Mongols. We know multiple figures named Nogai or some variation of it (especially Qara-Nogai). There is additional evidence to the matter that I will present as well, but these are the main points.
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory Excellent, looking forward to it!
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory Венгерских истосниках армия беклярбека Ногая зафиксировано, как ногайские татары и отдельно,как кипчаки ,по этому поводу вам лучше обратиться к ученому из ВЕНГРИИ ДАУТ КАРА,КОТОРЫЙ НЕ РАЗ ПОБЫВАЛ НА МЕЖДУНАРОДНЫХ КОНФЕРЕНЦИЯХ НОГАЕВЕДОВ В КАРАЧАЕВО-ЧЕРКЕССИИ г.Черкесске,где были ученые зарубежья и СНГ. Я ДУМАЮ ПОСЛЕ ТЩАТЕЛЬНОГО ИЗУЧЕНИЯ НАДО БУДЕТ СДЕЛАТЬ ВЫВОДЫ. СЕГОДНЯ НАДО ИЗУЧИТЬ,КАК ОКАЩАЛИСЬ НА ТЕРРИТОРИИ РУМЫНИИ ,ВЕНГРИИ,БОЛГАРИИ НОГАЙЦЫ ОНИ ВЕДЬ НЕ С ЛУНЫ УПАЛИ, А ЖИВУТ И ПО СЕЙ ДЕНЬ. И ЕЩЕ НЕ НАДО ЗАБЫВАТЬ, ЧТО ТОХТА РАЗОРИВ ВОТЧИНУ НОГАЯ УВЕЛ НАСЕЛЕНИЕ НА ВОСТОК,ГДЕ ИХ РАСКИДАЛ,А ГЕНЕТИЧЕСКАЯ ПАМЯТЬ СИЛЬНАЯ ШТУКА ОНИ ПОМНИЛИ,ЧТО ПО ПРОИСЗОЖДЕНИЮ НОГАИ И ПРИНАДЛЕЖРОСТЬ ИХ ПЛЕМЕН В СВОЕ ВРЕМЯ К ПОЛКОВОДЦУ НОГАЮ.
This is good stuff.
I'm convinced you and the Atlas Pro guy are secretly the same person.
Geography and Mongolian studies are pretty similar
Will you make videos about other tribes that existed in Mongolia after the series about Nogai Khan? Like the Tatars, Merkits and Keraites? Not much people know about those tribes and whereabouts of their descendants today. Most Mongol, Turkic or Tungus historians don't seem to care about those great Khanates that once shook the Mongol empire and gave a hard time to Genghis himself. It would be nice to see a video about Merkits or Keraites. Anyways, good video!
It's something I would like to revisit at some point. I did a general video on "tribes of Mongolia" years ago, but it really needs updating. It's a topic I would also like to better learn about. I have had in my head an idea about stuff on 11th and 12th century Mongolia for a long time, focusing on the Liao Dynasty rule, Khamag Mongol etc. Stuff on the Naiman, Merkit and other tribes would fit in nicely there.
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory кстати монгольские кочевые тюрки проживают и среди ногайцев Северного Кавказа и Крыма,Поволжья и Астрахани и.т.д (найманы,кереиты,мангиты и.т.д.) они ведь всегда бы кочевыми тюрками и сегодня они пересмешаны с кипчакскими, алано-аскими племенами ногаев,об этом упоминает и ибн
БАТУТА. МЫ ВСЕГДА ПОД ПРОЗВИЩЕМ ЧИНГИЗ ХАНА МОНГОЛ (МУНГУЛ) ПОНИМАЕМ КОЧЕВЫХ ТЮРКОВ ,КОТОРЫХ ВЫШЕ УПОМЯНУЛ,А НЕ ТУНГУСО
МАНДЖУРОВ. НАСЕЛЕНИЕ ДЕШТ-И-КИПЧАКА ДО ПРИХОДА ЧИНГИЗИДОВ И ТАК ГОВОРИЛИ НА ЯЗЫКЕ ЗАПАДНЫХ КИПЧАКОВ И ЧИНГИЗИДАМ НИЧЕГО НЕ СТОИЛО БУДУЧИ ТЮРКАМИ ПЕРЕЙТИ НА ИХ ГОВОР,ПОТОМУ,ЧТО САМИ ОНИ
СОСТОЯЛИ ИЗ МНОГОЧИСЛЕНЫХ КОЧЕВЫХ ТЮРКОВ ОБЬЕДИНЕВЩИХСЯ В СОЮЗ ПОД ПРОЗВИЩЕМ ЧИНГИЗ ХАНА МОНГОЛ. ВЕДЬ ВСЕ РУССКИЕ КНЯЗЬЯ ПРЕКРАСНО ВЛАДЕЛИ ЭТИМ ЯЗЫКОМ КИПЧАКОВ. ЭТО ИСТОРИЧЕСКИЙ ФАКТ.
@@РамзесБелыйсудья Didn't you think that the Turkic Khanate is also the name of the tribal alliance? Mongol is the last name of all nomads on the northern grassland. The former tribe is now our surname. The Mongolian Khanate is beyond the reach of all nomadic countries. Today's Turks are just language titles.
Glad to see you. 👍 🇰🇿🇰🇿🇰🇿🐎🐎🐎
Very interesting part of the Golden Horde period of Jochi Ulus. (Nogai/Mamay/Edige/Berke/Khulagu/Uzbek/Toktamish/Janibek/Urus/Tamerlane).
It is one of my favourite periods, and one that gets little attention. It is very overshadowed by Ozbeg's reign. So I am very happy to help bring more attention to it.
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory it's interesting how Mongols asimilated among kipchaks.. Look at names of golden horde khans from some moment they getting more turkic, kipchak names. Actually names very interesting topic. Some names becoming a title. Some titles become to be name. Chingizkhan is a title, but now chengiz is usual name in turkic nations. Bek is a turkic title for.. Tribes head ruler, or a place.. Similar to European feudal titles. So it's not coincidence that it appears in the names of.. Özbek, Dzganibek, Ulugbek. Word BEy same to Bek. So I bet it's not coincidence that it in the name of Beybars. May be he was sold as child without name just with words.. This is a boy from nobel tribe, he a son of BEK.. Of tribe bars. You get the picture.. Beybars. Interesting story with names and titles in mid and late Nogaic horde. Rulers wasn't chengiz descendants. And sometimes names of Nogaic noblemen became as titles, which could be found in Russian documents. But that titles didn't last long. BTW Nogaic title Myrza, which also have a meaning similar to.. Senior, Lord. In modern time quite usual name in turkic nations
Gr8 vid, Jackmeister! I actually feel sorry for anyone under the apprehension of Nogai as the King of Khans. Have you considered setting up a UA-cam Super for those of us who can't commit to regular patreon?
Thank you very much! Hopefully it will become more apparent as the series goes on. It's really one of those things which, once you notice it, makes you rethink all the relevant historiography...
To be honest, I've never looked into UA-cam Super before. And I haven't updated the Patreon in forever, so those are both things I can add to my to-do list.
Nice
Stefan Dečanski, the son of Serbian king Milutin was given as a hostage to Nogaj. That's why Serbia was spared from the Mongol destruction at the time.
He always struck me as a roman general of the late empire, always getting dragged into civil wars and manly staying on the fonter to face the empires enemies until he is forced by fate to declare himself emperor.
This is similar to how I feel. After reapproaching the sources, I rally got the feeling that he would have been perfect happy managing his territory in the Balkans, but kept getting drawn into Golden Horde politics. Even when he helps get Toqta in the throne in 1291, the first thing he does is immediately return to his own territory. Same thing after his first victory over Toqta in their civil war. To me, that doesn't feel like the actions of someone who wanted to exert power over the entire Golden Horde
How about Nogai People that lived in Big Steppe after disintegration of the Golden Horde? Where can i find information about them?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean%E2%80%93Nogai_slave_raids_in_Eastern_Europe
Oh the way you say kurultai ❤
Teşekkürler!
*Y E S !*
Political maneuverings during the time of Great Khans had more murders than Game of Thrones. :D
This is the streamlined version too... things only get much worse when you read more in detail
Anyone else having trouble with the audio
Goes in and out for me
Good content though just turned on subtitles
So it seems at some point the audio track became buggered. A few people have mentioned that the voice only comes through on the left headphone. Which is annoying as it seemed fine while editing, but now does the same to me when I listen to it on UA-cam. I've yet to track down why this is
You know what would be awkward if the Mongols In Karakorum chooses One Of The Sona Of Batu to become great Khan and have to go all the way to Mongolia to rule or probably pull a Kublai Khan And move it to Sarai
Sorry I really cannot hear your video. The audio muffled
It seems like there was some issue with the audio, in that it will only play in one side of the headphones if you're using them. I noticed the same issued after some other people mentioned it to me. I have no idea what caused it, as everything seemed fine during editing. I will have to look into this while preparing the next one.
Great video again ..
Do you have more info about Edigu Tatar...sending army to help in fact Timurlenk Timur ..but .apparent.help Bayazid
Turning trups against Bayazid ..great strategy
Hhhmm, I would have to look into it. That's the first I heard about Edigü sending such an army. I am not saying it did not happen. I know 13th century much better than I do the late 14th/early 15th Timurid period, so it might be something that happened and I just have not read enough to know about it. I will have to investigate!
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory I mean 1402 Ankara war between Timur - bayazid
Ас-салам алейкум Джеку! Слежу за вашими роликами очень интересные ролики я сам НОГАЕЦ. ПРОСТО ХОЧУ ЗАДАТЬ ВАМ ВОПРОС ПРОЗВИЩЕ ЧИНГИЗ ХАНА МОНГОЛ (МУНГУЛ) МОЖЕТ ЛИ ЯВЛЯТЬСЯ НАЦИОНАЛЬНОСТЬЮ МОНГОЛ??? ВЕДЬ МЫ ПОД ЭТИМ ПРОЗВИЩЕМ ПОНИМАЕМ СОЮЗ МНОГОЧИСЛЕННЫХ КОЧЕВЫХ ТЮРКОВ НЕКОГДА ОБЬЕДИНИВШИХСЯ ПОД ПРОЗВИЩЕМ ЧИНГИЗ ХАНА МОНГОЛ. С КЕМ ОНИ И СОВЕРШАТ ЗАВОЕВАТЕЛЬНЫЕ ПОХОДЫ НА ВОСТОК И ЗАПАД. ЧИНГИЗ ХАН ВЕДЬ БЫЛ КОЧЕВЫМ ТЮРКОМ ИЗ ПЛЕМЕНИ БОРДЖЕГИНОВ РОДА КИЯТ В ТОМ ЧИСЛЕ И ЕГО ПРАПРАВНУК БЕКЛЯРБЕК НОГАЙ.☝✊🖐
Do you have discord ?
He does I think, but only his Patreon supporters get access to it. You can find a link to his Patreon in the description.
I've been invited to join other discords before. Sometimes I comment in them if people ping me, but I do not regularly check them.
Guys, I think I found me.
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My right ears is broken.
For me as a mongolian this whole history after Chinggis Khaan is sad. Centuries of game of thrones, so many leaders and warriors put to death by poison, they didn't die as a warrior on the battlefield. If Chinggis Khan lived for a decade more and chose rulers like him that would destroy the tribal differences even more, perhaps mongols would have been more successful in passing down power from one khaan to the next one. I guess if mongols didn't fight between themselves, they would have been way to op for others. Tengri!
И какой же вы монгол,если это прозвище ЧИНГИЗ ХАНА??? ВЫ,ЧТО КИЯТ???КИЯТЫ ПО СЕГОДНЯШНИЙ ДЕНЬ НАХОДЯТСЯ СРЕДИ НОГАЕВ, ВЫ О ЧЕМ???? ВЫ ХАЛХА ИЛИ БУРЯТ СКОРЕЕ ВСЕГО,НО НЕ МОНГОЛ,ВЫ ПО НАУКЕ ОТНОСИТЕСЬ К МОНГОЛЬСКОЙ РАСЕ,НО НЕ К ПРОЗАИЩУ ЧИНГИЗ ХАНА. ПОТОМУ, ЧТО КОЧЕВЫЕ ТЮРКИ ПЛЕМЕНИ БОРДЖЕГИНОВ РОДА КИЯТ ОНИ ТЮРКИ.
Не морочьте ни себе ,ни людям головы.😂😂😂
whoever you got to do the audio is fucking deaf in the right ear
Not much is known about hpw Temujin died but in Mongolia there is a folk rumour that after defeating the XiXia he took the XiXia emperor's wife who, while being coerced into becoming a concubine of Temujin, bit off the Khan's phallus which caused the Khan to die from blood loss.
Initially after conquoring the XiXia Ghengis did not have intentions to massacre those who surrendered without resistance, however after the act of this woman, Ghengis, realozing he was about to die, gave orders to decimate the former kingdom, which is why such little records of XiXia exists today (destroyed).
Can you provide some due dilligence or insider information on this? Or is it total bullshit commoners made up to in order to mentally belittle someone who is so much more accomplished, capable, and superior thay they themselves are.
Thank you
As far as I know, there are very few written records regarding the period and the story is almost certainly apocryphal.
I've previously done a video on what the various 13th century sources say on his death, which you can watch here. ua-cam.com/video/hzhY3accFZM/v-deo.html
The "death during intercourse" story does not appear until some 200 or so years after his death, and nothing resembling it shows up in the sources closet to when he actually lived. So the authenticity of it we can almost immediately discard (in my opinion, it seems he suffered a fall from his horse while hunting, either just before or during the Xi Xia campaign. It probably caused some internal injuries which were not given adequate time to heal, and the rigours of the campaigns aggravated them. Either this directly led to his death, or it made him weak enough that he was susceptible to some disease or illness that finally carried him off in August 1227). The story appears in the ca. 16th century renewal in Mongolian history writing. It's suspected that it originated during the period of non-Chinggisid Oirat dominance in Mongolia (essentially the entire 1400s), who wanted to, at least somewhat, diminish Chinggis' standing.
Further, I was recently at a conference where Dr. Christopher Atwood offered the likely origins of the queen in the story. In the story, Chinggis takes a Tangut Princess, there called Gürbilchin, to be his new wife after the conquest of the Tangut. She hides a knife within herself, which then is implied to cut Chinggis' penis when he goes to have sex with her. Now, the account bears no relation to anything described in 13th century sources, and no princess Tangut called Gürbilchin is known to have existed... but Dr. Atwood suggests that it was a garbled version of a bridge Chinggis did have: the Khatun of the Naiman tribe called Gürbelsü. Chinggis takes her as a (lesser) wife once he conquered the Naiman, and then nothing is known of her afterthat. But it appears folk memory may have preserved her name and resistance among the Mongols who had fought against Chinggis, and overtime transformed her name, as well as her nationality, then gets molded into a story to explain Chinggis' death.
I've yet to see an explanation, other than what I've listed above, that does a good job accounting for these details. I find the notion that "this was what actually happened, but the Mongols stopped anyone from spreading it until it could be written down 200 years later!" to be frankly preposterous. There's so many versions of Chinggis Khan's death in the 13th/early 14th century sources, yet absolutely none of them describe anything remotely approaching the Gürbilchin story .
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory Я с вами полностью согласен,такое могут написать,только враги Чингиз хана.
Berke Khan killed of the Batu Khan.
long live mongols 🇲🇳🤘🏽
Да здравствуют кочевые тюрки под прозвищем Чингиз хана МОНГОЛЫ(МУНГУЛЫ) МОНГОЛЬСКИЕ КОЧЕВЫЕ -ТЮРКИ. А ЗНАЕШЬ ПОЧЕМУ????? ПРОСТО НЕ БЫЛО ТАКОЙ НАЦИОНАЛЬНОСТИ МОНГОЛЫ, А ПРОЗВИЩЕ НЕ МОЖЕТ БЫТЬ НАЦИЕЙ.🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺☝🖐
Nogai Khan The Mongol People from Manqut Tribe
Nogai Khan coverted Islam with Berke Khan
I love muslim khans
All those books are opinion. There's only two sources, everything else has to be taken with a giant grain of salt.
Nogai could have raised the vlachs to an elite level..We didn't accept it...Shame on us, we could have learnt a lot of war tactiques from the Mongols...Hristos să te ierte şi să te odihnească, Hane Noğai...But if it was for Nogai and not for Tokhtamir to rule Wallachia, Romanians would have ben muslim today. Though, Christ had other plans.
Kazakhs ruled the Golden Horde, this is our history, not a Mongol, and Genghis Khan was a Kazakh. And their names were not Mongols, but Mughals. The history of Kazakhstan was rewritten by Russia and China. And the capital of Genghis Khan, Karakorum, is located on the territory of Kazakhstan, in the Bukhtarma reservoir on the Irtysh River, which was flooded in the USSR. All tribes live on the territory of Kazakhstan. All Kazakh khans were Chingizids, This is the history of the Kazakhs, the Mongols have nothing to do with Genghis Khanau, you are looking for in Kazakhstan. And the Europeans called us Tatars, the Chinese - yuan, and these lands - Tartaria. If you check, their names are all Kazakh
shut ur mouth
Show me tell me one state tribe or khanate that holds the name "Kazakh" in 900 AD
history thief Kazakh khanate was Mongol!
bwahahaha