2 stalks: one for the turn signal, one for gear selection. The touch screen doesn't always take the "swipe" which gets to be a hassle during parallel parking or 3 point turns. Lastly, why can't they get the damned horn under the airbag?
Stalk for the indicator is the main issue. Sure America might not have many roundabouts but where you do, the indicator on the wheel is the dumbest idea ever because when you have to indicate off the roundabout you have no idea where the stupid button is because the wheel is turned
I 100% agree. Daily driver cars are meant to have round steering wheels. Yoke should have been a free option with round being the default option the cars come with.
Problem is more that Teslas implementation is bad and incorrect. Real yoke steering wheels are implemented in a way that you do not have to make full or even big steering turns. You should be able to keep both hands on it even on full turns.
Steering wheel snob here as well. Drove my friend's Model 3 with a yoke for a week and just could not get used to it and one time smacked me in the back of the hand when I went to take over as it was about to hit a curb. I tried really hard to find an advantage to having a rectangle steering input device but just couldn't...
Just had Tesla mobile service swap my yoke for a round wheel. I put a year and a half and 12,000 miles on the MS Plaid with yoke. I don't do track, and got used to the yoke pretty much. However, I missed the round wheel of my prior MS and also my current Model Y Performance. I like having the ability to have my hands smoothly move with the round wheel on turns, etc. I'm happy! Kept the yoke as a wall ornament.
I would comment that vw solved the visibility issue with the ID cars, they just put the instrument gauge on the steering column. This seems a minor thing, but for me who almost never sees the instrument gauge in a car due to the steering wheel, I’m so happy with my ID.4 steering wheel.
My 2011 Infiniti G37 also has this. The entire gauge cluster moves with the wheel. It's quite spectacular, so gauge visibility was never a problem, so I totally get how helful that feature is. 👍
@@tyranelewis7763 Bingo. You would think Tesla, supposedly on the bleeding edge of tech, would have a HUD, especially when cars costing a fraction of a Tesla have them.
Yokes are for planes and race cars. You need to be able to turn lock to lock in just a few degrees either direction. Once the yoke needs to be turned past about 45º, forget it, it's a hazard.
It should have offered a stalk for turn indicators and wipers with the wheel option it’s a half right half wrong still, what worries me is this may filter downwards to 3 and y for more daft. Cost cutting , I still say it’s a safety risk having to dive into a menu than be a functional control
I'm glad Tesla actually listened to their customers to offer this. So many of these new tech companies do the whole Apple thing and just say this is how we're doing it, get used to it or buy something else.
Great to see this retrofit. Stalks next. You're so right, the wheel is the main thing you interact with and it's key to the feel. L322 was a belter. Remember testing those in CO 22 years ago today! Long way from a rainy UK.
Quick tip - if you wrap your right hand around the right side, where the horn is, and squeeze - you will honk the horn. You can do it quickly and eliminates the need to look for the horn button when you need it.
@@baldbikeboy I tried a Plaid with the joke Wheel for two weeks. It was the worst shit I've ever tried. Futuristic? It looks and feels super ridiculous. There is no situation, half a steering wheel is an advantage. On a round steering wheel, you have unlimited possibilities wherever you hold your hand. Lexus has come up with a similar one, but it has variable gear ratio, which is likely to work better. The Joke steering wheel also has lousy quality, the car I drove had not gone far, yet the paint had started to come off on it. Absolutely the most ridiculous and pointless the steering wheel in history. And the fact that it wasn't even possible to choose from the beginning is genuinely stupid.the steering wheel in history. And the fact that it wasn't even possible to choose from the beginning is genuinely stupid.
@@MatsPhoto To each his own. I drove my Model S LR for ten months, and loved the yoke. However, I wanted stalks and a more maneuverable car, so I now drive a Model Y. Two weeks seems like a weak commitment.
My yoke will be replaced next week, I will firstly be happy I no longer need to look at the rubber peeling problem. I had my yoke replaced before and didn’t mind it, but looking forward to the leather and round wheel for daily driving.
I hope you make more Tesla Content, I love your Tesla Road Trips since that's how I found you. I am looking forward to getting a Model S at the end of the year.
Ok, Kyle says he is home... I was wondering if he knew where that was... LOL Next he says he has 10k miles on this year old car. Who has been driving it? You're never home to drive your own cars! LOL Replacing the yoke with a wheel? I am certainly not a yoke person, but I am shocked Kyle is switching. Give us a choice is all I ask. Tesla are you listening? How about some knobs and buttons, a HUD?
Still love my yoke...At first I wasnt sure but once I got used to it I love it. Yes offcourse its a little different but I believes it makes the car better. Obviously just my opininion.
@@Abevlife Well it makes the car unique. Have a better view of my front screen. I dont take my car to a track so i dont need a full steering wheel. My wife has a tesla 3 and having my yoke just makes it more special to me. Like i said its my opinion and my car. Not trolling..
Congrats on the wheel buddy! Though I didn't hate the Yoke either, I think it does take away a little from the driving experience. There is just something inherently satisfying about working a round steering wheel. Can't wait to test the Model S with a round wheel now. I think you're initial impression about the seating height is correct. I am 5'10 and in most cars I can set the seat quite low and still have an inch of two left before I hit the bottom - like in my Porsche Taycan. But in the Model S I set the seat all the way down and still feel I am sitting a little high. So you at 6'1 I imagine are seating quite high.
No there isn't. Boomers love swiveling their hands around a round wheel and that's about it. Yoke trains you to hold the wheel properly and is visually better looking.
Mobile service is the best. I had a side windiw replaced by them and we were also nerding out about cars for 30 min. Where I live they come in a Model S. In regards of yoke or not, I think what would be more annoying to me than the yoke itself are the blinkers and horn as buttons on the wheel/yoke. But still I'd prefer the wheel, but with stalks pls
I absolutely hate the yoke and it makes me regret buying my plaid. (That and elon going full right wing douche nozzle) Even more infuriating is that the new round replacement doesn't fix the worst part about the yoke, the criminally stupid tiny off center horn button that you can never find when you need it unless you're willing to take your eyes off the road. So disappointing
Yokes are for aircraft or any transportation method that requires steering with a limited range of motion. Fine as long as the driver does not cross arms at end of rotational travel. Wheels are for mechanical advantage requirements where multiple orbits may be needed to produce required effort in the steering gear. Like a farm tractor.
I prefer to think of my Model 3 as a farm tractor. It's kinda similar to a farm tractor. 4 wheels, no wings, operate on the ground, not in the sky. I love steering wheel.
The motorvibration comes from the "extra-heating" when the car is cold. 3,5KW from each motor. Magnets are monted in a different way compared to the way they are in other EV's.
Actually having stalks and a shifter is a big reason why I went for a Y over either the S or X. Didn’t so much mind the yoke while driving it, but couldn’t stand not having a turn signal stalk and shifter.
Good for you! Those kits are now sold out. Obviously many drivers prefer a wheel. I always thought the yoke was a poor decision: slick and sporty looking, but does nothing to actually improve steering. Of course, after decades behind the wheel, perhaps I'm too conditioned to traditional steering. Indeed, I see NO real reason to have done aways with the stalks either. I do NOT like the idea of those buttons.
That's the conclusion of Thomas in Autogefühl's new Lexus RZ review, though he remains neutral on the preference at least it's a yoke steering system that actually works: "This Lexus EV destroys the Tesla Yoke! 😮 Lexus RZ 450e driving REVIEW" youtu(.)be/y-ocjeOFPCk
I got my Plaid in March of Last year and lived with the Yoke for about 4 months. In July of so, I installed a Hansshow Napa leather round wheel. Every steering wheel should be made of real leather. It felt amazing in my hands. Because it was round and heavy, I was able to drive much more smoothly through parking lots and in tight turns. Then when I was alone on the road and could drive in a spirited way, I finally felt like I was driving a real performance car. I honestly can't say anything positive about that yoke accept that it didn't suck as bat as I thought it would, and it did make the care feel special and futuristic. The horn button really sucks. I have a dent in my front bumper that most likely would have been there if I could have blew the horn fast enough before some bozo backed into me in a drive-thru. It took 3 or 4 months, but now I actually prefer the turn signal buttons over the stalk. I have a new Plaid on order, and I hope the wheel will feel good. I really don't want to risk messing it up by having it recovered in leather.
The rumbling noise in the morning is most likely just your tires. Drag Radials and Summer tires don't have silica and they get hard flat spots when parked for a while. Colder it is the worse it is. Driving them for a few miles will round them back out. Also, it doesn't help that the Model S is a bit heavy.
Einstein quote "Make things as simple as possible but no simpler". Seems like round wheel and stalks works well and no good reason to switch. At least there is a wheel option now.
So, my question is when will Tesla retrofit the stalks into the package? For the cost of the round wheel, I wouldn't proceed unless they gave me back the base functionality with it: turn signals, gear selector and horn. For all of this, I would consider coughing up the dough, but not just for the wheel.
@@MatsPhoto it's not a gear ratio, technically that's an infinite amount of ratios that you have. The point of "by wire" is to remove the physical connection between controller and actor.
Thats much more better, this is how it should of came and not with a yoke steering wheel. I don't care if its big in general because I drive a MINI Countryman Exclusive PHEV and it has a big steering wheel which doesn't bother me but I feel as if this is more safer now and more better than the yoke. 😊
Kyle, you should get a drive in the new Lexus RZ450e to see how a yoke should be implemented. Simply replacing a steering wheel with yoke is not the way to do it.
I would have preferred to see the Model 3 wheel and stalks. That’s the setup I would want, if I’d upgrade to a newer model S. But I could not find a link to the segment you referenced in your description
Not sure why he was using two hands for turning at intersections. I tried two hands st first. Now I simply hook my left or right index finger on the top corner of the yoke and pull down. It’s super smooth
I really like the yoke as it’s great for autopilot resting your hand on the bottom of it. It also makes the car feel more futuristic to me maybe because I grew up watching knight rider. It’s not more ergonomic, but I do like it. I also don’t miss the stalks as I like everything at a simple thumb press distance similar to what you see on Ferrari, minus actual buttons. However the horn needs to be in the middle. Your point about the driving position with the wheel, though definitely seems like a valid one. I never really felt in control of the car with the yoke if that makes sense.
I tried a Plaid with the joke dial. It was the worst shit I've ever tried. Futuristic? It looks and feels super ridiculous. There is no situation, half a steering wheel is an advantage. On a round steering wheel, you have unlimited possibilities wherever you hold your hand. Lexus has come up with a similar one, but it has variable gear ratio, which is likely to work better. The Joke steering wheel also has lousy quality, the car I drove had not gone far, yet the paint had started to come off on it. Absolutely the most ridiculous and pointless the steering wheel in history. And the fact that it wasn't even possible to choose from the beginning is genuinely stupid.the steering wheel in history. And the fact that it wasn't even possible to choose from the beginning is genuinely stupid.
If Tesla had done what Ferrari do, a button on each side, that would probably be a good system. The way they have implemented it on the Model S and X wheel however is not a good implementation. Even though you get used to it, it's not intuitive at all, and you will get confused when ever the wheel/yoke is upside down or something like that. And on the Ferraris it's at you fingertip, you can feel the button, and you don't have to move anything, you just push in with the finger that's already there. In my humble opinion, they ruined the car with that non-sense. Stalks is much easier to use. You never have to think, and that's what a driver need and want. I get the futuristic look and all, but it's like Kyle say, it doesn't add anything, it just takes away from how functional it is. Being able to get a Model S Plaid with steering wheel and stalks might be enough to make a Model S interesting again.
You can tell when an old thinking person owned the car. Round steering wheels were for cars before power steering you know drives like a tank. Electric assist with three quarter turn lock to lock no upper wheel blocking view of dash is the way anyone who has never driven a car would pick. The good news is the market for the yoke wheel as young people buying used Tesla and wanting to upgrade from the old fogey version also remove dice from mirror and foxtail from antenna.
Let's be honest most people who like the yoke or put one in their model 3/Y are nerds who will never push the car hard or take it to the track... it reminds them of a video game that's why they like it, but real car people that actually like to drive prefer a normal round steering wheel.
May look more 'boring', but it's 100x more practical and useful than the spinning wrist-breaker rectangle of death. Drove both and there's no comparison. There's a reason cars have had round steering wheels for over a century. Because they work the best. Other steering methods have been tried before many times, even a joystick, but ultimately, the steering wheel wins out every time because it's the most ergonomic, intuitive and practical. The yoke is just change for the sake of change and a weak attempt to be different. Owners who have a Tesla with a yoke hate it so much that as soon as Tesla started to offer the round wheel retrofit, it immediately sold out in their online store. That should tell you something.
I’ve driven a model S LR with the yoke since Dec 2021 and my greatest problem is the horrible horn button. I expected a NHTSA recall to move horn button to the center where it belongs. Road trips on the highway is where the yoke is great. But, it’s poor for parking and other frequent turns. It does make the car look futuristic. But, within a year or two, I will sell this EV and wonder if there’s better resale value with round wheel.
I ride a motorcycle too, so a horn and turn signal buttons are natural for me. No big deal. You just get used to it. NHSTA hasn't recalled any motorcycles yet. 😀
Like! Still looks weird to me with the wheel, but maybe in time, it will be more normal. The yoke used to look weird to me, but now looks modern and fitting. We're sticking with our yoke for now. It's totally fine. But if the car had come with a wheel, we wouldn't have known better.
I switched to the Yoke in my MYP because I have the Hansshow touch screen display, and yes you can see the screen OK through the stock wheel, but touching it to actually make use of the touch screen is a pain in the butt with the stock wheel in the way.
THIS IS GREAT NEWS!!!! I knew they had to someday give this option. This was my only gripe about not purchasing the Model S. I really hated the Yoke Steering and how it performed!!! The button turn signals is probably something I will have to deal with. Tesla should of kept sh*t the way it is.
I do agree I don't think the yoke is much a safety hazard, I do think that there not being stalks for turning signals is though. I think it just encourages people to use them less as now it takes more effort to find and hit them where with stalks you hit is with a single flick. Personally just don't like the yoke though as on longer drives I like to move my hands around to keep my wrists and arms from getting stiff. Plus in city driving I tend to put my right hand on top of the wheel (around 2:00) just before turns to stagger them. That's not really possible with it. I know it's technically a less safe technique, but I find it more comfortable.
Once you get used to the buttons it is the exact opposite. Slightly moving a thumb is much faster and easier than a stalk, although it definitely takes a while to get used to it.
The last time I paid $750 for a steering wheel it came with a Chevy Sprint attached to it! Seriously, though; while I think Tesla gets (and deserves) immense credit for normalizing electric cares and unquestionably has done a superb job with infrastructure, they’ve reached the point where they’re concentrating on silly gimmicks like yokes and “aggressive” FSD modes. Here’s hoping The Boring Company boss’s influence doesn’t do to Tesla what it’s done to The Bird Site…🙄
That's nothing. Here in lil' ol' England Elon is only selling left hand drive Plaids and we drive on the left here (the correct side I might add). He's really harming sales.
I agree with your assessment here. I don't have any experience with the yoke, but it's one of those things you just kind of know where you wouldn't care for it as much. I also don't care for capacitive touch buttons on the wheel. I think it's a dumb idea really. It's a step back in every metric other than perhaps looks. I like turn stalks and they work and have worked perfect for ages, especially with 1-tap indication mode. I'm sure I could get used to indicator buttons, I mean I have for years with motorcycles, but I still want stalks. And it's not that I'm against new ideas entirely and can't be convinced otherwise. I was hesitant on the M3 only having the center screen and it took a couple weeks to get used to it, but now I quite like it. However, I still would like a dedicated button for the glovebox (near the compartment). Tesla did a great job with the scroll wheels though, especially on my refresh with the metal buttons. I really prefer that for controlling volume/tracks over a knob on the dash and separate up/down volume buttons on the wheel. I would still like to have an instrument gage at the wheel, either on the column or dash, but I'm fine without it.
About the airbag, I think why they left it to you, but in the center of the new wheel :) If you look at your video at 15:24 you can see there is no airbag in the new one that is still wrapped... Probably similar to the aftermarket steering wheel for Model 3 and Y where you transfer the airbag from the old one to the new one.
The wheel comes without the airbag installed, otherwise the tech would have to remove it again, on site, to install the wheel. Much easier, safer and faster to not pre-install it.
I'm with you on the yoke. I'd also prefer a stalk for the turn signal.
2 stalks: one for the turn signal, one for gear selection. The touch screen doesn't always take the "swipe" which gets to be a hassle during parallel parking or 3 point turns. Lastly, why can't they get the damned horn under the airbag?
@@trevortremaine8468 I guess, a mechanical switch for the horn was too expensive
Stalk for the indicator is the main issue. Sure America might not have many roundabouts but where you do, the indicator on the wheel is the dumbest idea ever because when you have to indicate off the roundabout you have no idea where the stupid button is because the wheel is turned
@@markeaton6734 In many parts of America turn signals are optional. It's every man, woman, donkey for themselves.
@@stuff5109 Believe that is primary because BMW's don't come with turn signals enabled.
When that Yoke came out, people fought me on how great it was. Nice to know I was right about it.
I 100% agree. Daily driver cars are meant to have round steering wheels. Yoke should have been a free option with round being the default option the cars come with.
Problem is more that Teslas implementation is bad and incorrect. Real yoke steering wheels are implemented in a way that you do not have to make full or even big steering turns. You should be able to keep both hands on it even on full turns.
@@Seitenwerk like how lexus implemented theirs
the 2023 model year allows a free option now i believe
I’m keeping my yoke on my Plaid, but I’m glad they are giving people the option.
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I agree with you. Nothing like rest your hand on the top of a round steering wheel
Lol people that dont know how to drive rest their hands on top. Proper drivers use Yokes
Steering wheel snob here as well. Drove my friend's Model 3 with a yoke for a week and just could not get used to it and one time smacked me in the back of the hand when I went to take over as it was about to hit a curb. I tried really hard to find an advantage to having a rectangle steering input device but just couldn't...
That's exactly all it is. A damn rectangle.
I mean at least make it a half wheel shape. Though my mum is used to the 10 and 2 so would probably prefer the wheel.
Keeping my Yoke, I love it.
Just had Tesla mobile service swap my yoke for a round wheel. I put a year and a half and 12,000 miles on the MS Plaid with yoke. I don't do track, and got used to the yoke pretty much. However, I missed the round wheel of my prior MS and also my current Model Y Performance. I like having the ability to have my hands smoothly move with the round wheel on turns, etc. I'm happy! Kept the yoke as a wall ornament.
The bass track in this video will shake your house off the foundation. 😁❤️
Yes, the audio when Kyle is in a vehicle is terrible. It can’t get much worse.
She was my mobile tech for a fix that I had. She was awesome and quick at what she had to do.
Were you also able to keep your old yoke?
@@BadTomzi If you pay for the round wheel, and it's not a warranty replacement, then you get to keep the old yoke without the airbag.
I would comment that vw solved the visibility issue with the ID cars, they just put the instrument gauge on the steering column. This seems a minor thing, but for me who almost never sees the instrument gauge in a car due to the steering wheel, I’m so happy with my ID.4 steering wheel.
My 2011 Infiniti G37 also has this. The entire gauge cluster moves with the wheel. It's quite spectacular, so gauge visibility was never a problem, so I totally get how helful that feature is. 👍
or better yet install heads up display to show on windshield
@@tyranelewis7763 Bingo. You would think Tesla, supposedly on the bleeding edge of tech, would have a HUD, especially when cars costing a fraction of a Tesla have them.
You made a good decision here. The yoke to me is just stupid unless you are running the 1/4 mile.
Yokes are for planes and race cars. You need to be able to turn lock to lock in just a few degrees either direction. Once the yoke needs to be turned past about 45º, forget it, it's a hazard.
Excellent video! Love that Tesla offers this after people voice their opinions!
For $700 extra dollars on top of the price of the car.
@@davidbaker9943 which wouldnt matter since your payying 80,000+ for the car which would barely make a difference.
Choice is a wonderful thing!
Stalks as a choice would be great.
I'm glad you were able to get the round wheel, now @Tesla needs to bring back the stalks!!🤞
It should have offered a stalk for turn indicators and wipers with the wheel option it’s a half right half wrong still, what worries me is this may filter downwards to 3 and y for more daft. Cost cutting , I still say it’s a safety risk having to dive into a menu than be a functional control
tesla is about optimizing and keep options to a minimal. what you want now means there is will be 4 options to steer the car. that's ridiculous
having mine done Monday.. have my fingers crossed
I'm glad Tesla actually listened to their customers to offer this. So many of these new tech companies do the whole Apple thing and just say this is how we're doing it, get used to it or buy something else.
Get mine Friday. Cannot wait!
Great to see this retrofit. Stalks next. You're so right, the wheel is the main thing you interact with and it's key to the feel. L322 was a belter. Remember testing those in CO 22 years ago today! Long way from a rainy UK.
Thank god. Everyone that signed off on the old yoke design + steering ratio should feel bad about what they did.
Quick tip - if you wrap your right hand around the right side, where the horn is, and squeeze - you will honk the horn. You can do it quickly and eliminates the need to look for the horn button when you need it.
The close up is what gets me after switching it out.
Whenever I saw a yoke wheel I look down for rudder pedals....
Have you owned one and driven with it? If not…
@@baldbikeboy I tried a Plaid with the joke Wheel for two weeks. It was the worst shit I've ever tried. Futuristic? It looks and feels super ridiculous. There is no situation, half a steering wheel is an advantage. On a round steering wheel, you have unlimited possibilities wherever you hold your hand. Lexus has come up with a similar one, but it has variable gear ratio, which is likely to work better. The Joke steering wheel also has lousy quality, the car I drove had not gone far, yet the paint had started to come off on it. Absolutely the most ridiculous and pointless the steering wheel in history. And the fact that it wasn't even possible to choose from the beginning is genuinely stupid.the steering wheel in history. And the fact that it wasn't even possible to choose from the beginning is genuinely stupid.
@@MatsPhoto To each his own. I drove my Model S LR for ten months, and loved the yoke. However, I wanted stalks and a more maneuverable car, so I now drive a Model Y. Two weeks seems like a weak commitment.
Hahahah me too!!! I try to pull up and it just won’t take off either. It’s fast but a yoke belongs to a plane
HATED the yoke. Have an aftermarket carbon fiber/Napa leather wheel using the yoke panel and it’s AWESOME
Finally somebody beeing honest instead of desperately trying to sugarcoat this stupidity!
Jasmine fixed steering wheel controls on my Model X the other day and she was awesome to speak to and she got it done fast!
My yoke will be replaced next week, I will firstly be happy I no longer need to look at the rubber peeling problem. I had my yoke replaced before and didn’t mind it, but looking forward to the leather and round wheel for daily driving.
I hope you make more Tesla Content, I love your Tesla Road Trips since that's how I found you. I am looking forward to getting a Model S at the end of the year.
And yet most of the preproduction cybertrucks I've seen so far had the yoke.....nothing I hate worse than a solution in search of a problem.
Yoke is the best
@@InSaN3ViSioN Yoke is best at being a joke.
The yoke is something nobody asked for, but yet Tesla will remove basic things like parking sensors.
Ok, Kyle says he is home... I was wondering if he knew where that was... LOL Next he says he has 10k miles on this year old car. Who has been driving it? You're never home to drive your own cars! LOL Replacing the yoke with a wheel? I am certainly not a yoke person, but I am shocked Kyle is switching. Give us a choice is all I ask. Tesla are you listening? How about some knobs and buttons, a HUD?
Still love my yoke...At first I wasnt sure but once I got used to it I love it. Yes offcourse its a little different but I believes it makes the car better. Obviously just my opininion.
Just curious how it make better. Not trolling. Genuinely would like to know.
@@Abevlife Well it makes the car unique. Have a better view of my front screen. I dont take my car to a track so i dont need a full steering wheel. My wife has a tesla 3 and having my yoke just makes it more special to me. Like i said its my opinion and my car. Not trolling..
I traded my Model X 2020 for a Model X 2022 just for the yoke......I love it and can't imagine driving without it.
Congrats on the wheel buddy! Though I didn't hate the Yoke either, I think it does take away a little from the driving experience. There is just something inherently satisfying about working a round steering wheel. Can't wait to test the Model S with a round wheel now.
I think you're initial impression about the seating height is correct. I am 5'10 and in most cars I can set the seat quite low and still have an inch of two left before I hit the bottom - like in my Porsche Taycan. But in the Model S I set the seat all the way down and still feel I am sitting a little high. So you at 6'1 I imagine are seating quite high.
No there isn't. Boomers love swiveling their hands around a round wheel and that's about it. Yoke trains you to hold the wheel properly and is visually better looking.
@@InSaN3ViSioN i agree, it does "look" way better
Mobile service is the best. I had a side windiw replaced by them and we were also nerding out about cars for 30 min. Where I live they come in a Model S.
In regards of yoke or not, I think what would be more annoying to me than the yoke itself are the blinkers and horn as buttons on the wheel/yoke. But still I'd prefer the wheel, but with stalks pls
I absolutely hate the yoke and it makes me regret buying my plaid. (That and elon going full right wing douche nozzle) Even more infuriating is that the new round replacement doesn't fix the worst part about the yoke, the criminally stupid tiny off center horn button that you can never find when you need it unless you're willing to take your eyes off the road. So disappointing
As you say, you need to do what works for you. Glad this has made such a positive difference for you.
Yokes are for aircraft or any transportation method that requires steering with a limited range of motion.
Fine as long as the driver does not cross arms at end of rotational travel.
Wheels are for mechanical advantage requirements where multiple orbits may be needed to produce required effort in the steering gear.
Like a farm tractor.
You are stating the obvious for some of us. 👍
I prefer to think of my Model 3 as a farm tractor. It's kinda similar to a farm tractor. 4 wheels, no wings, operate on the ground, not in the sky. I love steering wheel.
Now that's a proper update!
The motorvibration comes from the "extra-heating" when the car is cold. 3,5KW from each motor. Magnets are monted in a different way compared to the way they are in other EV's.
I love how the yoke looks but had to switch as my daughters also use the car.
Actually having stalks and a shifter is a big reason why I went for a Y over either the S or X. Didn’t so much mind the yoke while driving it, but couldn’t stand not having a turn signal stalk and shifter.
The review I was waiting for.
Good for you! Those kits are now sold out. Obviously many drivers prefer a wheel. I always thought the yoke was a poor decision: slick and sporty looking, but does nothing to actually improve steering. Of course, after decades behind the wheel, perhaps I'm too conditioned to traditional steering. Indeed, I see NO real reason to have done aways with the stalks either. I do NOT like the idea of those buttons.
The yoke works great if they steer by wire
That's the conclusion of Thomas in Autogefühl's new Lexus RZ review, though he remains neutral on the preference at least it's a yoke steering system that actually works:
"This Lexus EV destroys the Tesla Yoke! 😮 Lexus RZ 450e driving REVIEW"
youtu(.)be/y-ocjeOFPCk
I got my Plaid in March of Last year and lived with the Yoke for about 4 months. In July of so, I installed a Hansshow Napa leather round wheel. Every steering wheel should be made of real leather. It felt amazing in my hands. Because it was round and heavy, I was able to drive much more smoothly through parking lots and in tight turns. Then when I was alone on the road and could drive in a spirited way, I finally felt like I was driving a real performance car. I honestly can't say anything positive about that yoke accept that it didn't suck as bat as I thought it would, and it did make the care feel special and futuristic.
The horn button really sucks. I have a dent in my front bumper that most likely would have been there if I could have blew the horn fast enough before some bozo backed into me in a drive-thru.
It took 3 or 4 months, but now I actually prefer the turn signal buttons over the stalk.
I have a new Plaid on order, and I hope the wheel will feel good. I really don't want to risk messing it up by having it recovered in leather.
I don't think the yoke is better, but for sure it adds some character to the car and makes it a little bit more fresh to see.
The rumbling noise in the morning is most likely just your tires. Drag Radials and Summer tires don't have silica and they get hard flat spots when parked for a while. Colder it is the worse it is. Driving them for a few miles will round them back out. Also, it doesn't help that the Model S is a bit heavy.
Einstein quote "Make things as simple as possible but no simpler". Seems like round wheel and stalks works well and no good reason to switch. At least there is a wheel option now.
You drive more miles in a year than I do in 5 years. It’s impressive..
10k miles in 5 years is really in the low end of usage
That camera view from your front camera makes the steering wheel look huge.
So, my question is when will Tesla retrofit the stalks into the package? For the cost of the round wheel, I wouldn't proceed unless they gave me back the base functionality with it: turn signals, gear selector and horn. For all of this, I would consider coughing up the dough, but not just for the wheel.
Plus they swiped his airbag. That was his, not theirs. Can't believe she took it. What if he wants to go back to the yoke?
The only reason to have a yolk, or that would make it better is if it was steer by wire
Which Lexus has on its new yoke, with variable gear ratio
@@MatsPhoto it's not a gear ratio, technically that's an infinite amount of ratios that you have. The point of "by wire" is to remove the physical connection between controller and actor.
yoke is cool only if dont need to turn it more that 180 degrees. But then you will need steer by wire or variable ratio gearbox attached to it.
Thats much more better, this is how it should of came and not with a yoke steering wheel. I don't care if its big in general because I drive a MINI Countryman Exclusive PHEV and it has a big steering wheel which doesn't bother me but I feel as if this is more safer now and more better than the yoke. 😊
Hopefully the team at Aptera is watching this.
Kyle, you should get a drive in the new Lexus RZ450e to see how a yoke should be implemented. Simply replacing a steering wheel with yoke is not the way to do it.
The yoke seems like a solution looking for a problem.
For those of us who drive with hands at 4 and 8 instead of 2 and 10 might like the yoke
You'll need indicator stalks
I would have preferred to see the Model 3 wheel and stalks. That’s the setup I would want, if I’d upgrade to a newer model S. But I could not find a link to the segment you referenced in your description
Not sure why he was using two hands for turning at intersections. I tried two hands st first. Now I simply hook my left or right index finger on the top corner of the yoke and pull down. It’s super smooth
I really like the yoke as it’s great for autopilot resting your hand on the bottom of it. It also makes the car feel more futuristic to me maybe because I grew up watching knight rider. It’s not more ergonomic, but I do like it. I also don’t miss the stalks as I like everything at a simple thumb press distance similar to what you see on Ferrari, minus actual buttons. However the horn needs to be in the middle. Your point about the driving position with the wheel, though definitely seems like a valid one. I never really felt in control of the car with the yoke if that makes sense.
I tried a Plaid with the joke dial. It was the worst shit I've ever tried. Futuristic? It looks and feels super ridiculous. There is no situation, half a steering wheel is an advantage. On a round steering wheel, you have unlimited possibilities wherever you hold your hand. Lexus has come up with a similar one, but it has variable gear ratio, which is likely to work better. The Joke steering wheel also has lousy quality, the car I drove had not gone far, yet the paint had started to come off on it. Absolutely the most ridiculous and pointless the steering wheel in history. And the fact that it wasn't even possible to choose from the beginning is genuinely stupid.the steering wheel in history. And the fact that it wasn't even possible to choose from the beginning is genuinely stupid.
If Tesla had done what Ferrari do, a button on each side, that would probably be a good system. The way they have implemented it on the Model S and X wheel however is not a good implementation. Even though you get used to it, it's not intuitive at all, and you will get confused when ever the wheel/yoke is upside down or something like that. And on the Ferraris it's at you fingertip, you can feel the button, and you don't have to move anything, you just push in with the finger that's already there. In my humble opinion, they ruined the car with that non-sense. Stalks is much easier to use. You never have to think, and that's what a driver need and want. I get the futuristic look and all, but it's like Kyle say, it doesn't add anything, it just takes away from how functional it is. Being able to get a Model S Plaid with steering wheel and stalks might be enough to make a Model S interesting again.
You can tell when an old thinking person owned the car. Round steering wheels were for cars before power steering you know drives like a tank. Electric assist with three quarter turn lock to lock no upper wheel blocking view of dash is the way anyone who has never driven a car would pick.
The good news is the market for the yoke wheel as young people buying used Tesla and wanting to upgrade from the old fogey version also remove dice from mirror and foxtail from antenna.
Let's be honest most people who like the yoke or put one in their model 3/Y are nerds who will never push the car hard or take it to the track... it reminds them of a video game that's why they like it, but real car people that actually like to drive prefer a normal round steering wheel.
Yoke or not, I think Tesla should restoring the center horn button! it's way more important.
So pedestrian. Love the yoke!
May look more 'boring', but it's 100x more practical and useful than the spinning wrist-breaker rectangle of death. Drove both and there's no comparison. There's a reason cars have had round steering wheels for over a century. Because they work the best. Other steering methods have been tried before many times, even a joystick, but ultimately, the steering wheel wins out every time because it's the most ergonomic, intuitive and practical. The yoke is just change for the sake of change and a weak attempt to be different. Owners who have a Tesla with a yoke hate it so much that as soon as Tesla started to offer the round wheel retrofit, it immediately sold out in their online store. That should tell you something.
Definitely prefer that steering wheel over the non intuitive yoke 😮
I love my wheel retrofit. The yoke will never be my input of choice.
I use voice command frequently. “Play Steely Dan” 😂
You're getting a round steering wheel? "You must be yoking!" 🤭
That's my submission for the "Dad Joke du Jour" contest. 🥇
That black on black look is badass! Those wheels rock.
It person it really pops with the right polish.
I’ve driven a model S LR with the yoke since Dec 2021 and my greatest problem is the horrible horn button. I expected a NHTSA recall to move horn button to the center where it belongs. Road trips on the highway is where the yoke is great. But, it’s poor for parking and other frequent turns.
It does make the car look futuristic. But, within a year or two, I will sell this EV and wonder if there’s better resale value with round wheel.
I ride a motorcycle too, so a horn and turn signal buttons are natural for me. No big deal. You just get used to it. NHSTA hasn't recalled any motorcycles yet. 😀
Like! Still looks weird to me with the wheel, but maybe in time, it will be more normal. The yoke used to look weird to me, but now looks modern and fitting. We're sticking with our yoke for now. It's totally fine. But if the car had come with a wheel, we wouldn't have known better.
Does the new S still have the “rumble” that past owners complain about?
Now stalks and it can finally work anywhere for me again
I switched to the Yoke in my MYP because I have the Hansshow touch screen display, and yes you can see the screen OK through the stock wheel, but touching it to actually make use of the touch screen is a pain in the butt with the stock wheel in the way.
THIS IS GREAT NEWS!!!! I knew they had to someday give this option. This was my only gripe about not purchasing the Model S. I really hated the Yoke Steering and how it performed!!! The button turn signals is probably something I will have to deal with. Tesla should of kept sh*t the way it is.
I think we all felt the satisfaction of your switch! I would do the same. :)
I do agree I don't think the yoke is much a safety hazard, I do think that there not being stalks for turning signals is though. I think it just encourages people to use them less as now it takes more effort to find and hit them where with stalks you hit is with a single flick.
Personally just don't like the yoke though as on longer drives I like to move my hands around to keep my wrists and arms from getting stiff. Plus in city driving I tend to put my right hand on top of the wheel (around 2:00) just before turns to stagger them. That's not really possible with it. I know it's technically a less safe technique, but I find it more comfortable.
Once you get used to the buttons it is the exact opposite. Slightly moving a thumb is much faster and easier than a stalk, although it definitely takes a while to get used to it.
I agree with everything you say
Am I correct that the last video that Jordan did w/ Out of Spec was when he crashed the Plaid?
agree with your disdain for the yoke, but she owes you your original yoke airbag !
You did the right thing it's just more natural
You could mount the yoke over on the passenger side of the car. 🙂
The last time I paid $750 for a steering wheel it came with a Chevy Sprint attached to it!
Seriously, though; while I think Tesla gets (and deserves) immense credit for normalizing electric cares and unquestionably has done a superb job with infrastructure, they’ve reached the point where they’re concentrating on silly gimmicks like yokes and “aggressive” FSD modes. Here’s hoping The Boring Company boss’s influence doesn’t do to Tesla what it’s done to The Bird Site…🙄
Design a crappy yoke, charge customers to switch it back. Classic Tesla.
Funny
I never drove one. But for my day to day use. I hate capacitive buttons.
Imagine being fascinated that a car has a round wheel
Tesla re-invented the wheel. And it did not go well.
Thank you for the video… was this a “2023 version” yolk with the damage?
I kept looking at the Land Cruiser 😂
If they put a round wheel, stalks, and a center horn I would definitely consider a Plaid. Can't live with those annoying turn signal buttons!
Yeah, same. Musk has eliminated a significant number of buyers due to this silly and unsafe design.
That's nothing. Here in lil' ol' England Elon is only selling left hand drive Plaids and we drive on the left here (the correct side I might add). He's really harming sales.
I agree with your assessment here. I don't have any experience with the yoke, but it's one of those things you just kind of know where you wouldn't care for it as much. I also don't care for capacitive touch buttons on the wheel. I think it's a dumb idea really. It's a step back in every metric other than perhaps looks.
I like turn stalks and they work and have worked perfect for ages, especially with 1-tap indication mode. I'm sure I could get used to indicator buttons, I mean I have for years with motorcycles, but I still want stalks.
And it's not that I'm against new ideas entirely and can't be convinced otherwise. I was hesitant on the M3 only having the center screen and it took a couple weeks to get used to it, but now I quite like it. However, I still would like a dedicated button for the glovebox (near the compartment). Tesla did a great job with the scroll wheels though, especially on my refresh with the metal buttons. I really prefer that for controlling volume/tracks over a knob on the dash and separate up/down volume buttons on the wheel.
I would still like to have an instrument gage at the wheel, either on the column or dash, but I'm fine without it.
About the airbag, I think why they left it to you, but in the center of the new wheel :) If you look at your video at 15:24 you can see there is no airbag in the new one that is still wrapped... Probably similar to the aftermarket steering wheel for Model 3 and Y where you transfer the airbag from the old one to the new one.
The wheel comes without the airbag installed, otherwise the tech would have to remove it again, on site, to install the wheel. Much easier, safer and faster to not pre-install it.
This is subjective but I hate that yoke! So glad you can get a "normal" one now looks million times better!
Sentry mode should automatically turn on if your car is hit
Excellent, Yoke matches so much better with a Plad :)😇
Tesla should allow reconfiguration/rearrange of the capacitative buttons.
The only one problem with the yoke is the sharp turns.