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Top pollster warns Tories of isolating the south as the party faces an ‘existential problem’
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- Опубліковано 17 сер 2024
- “The Conservatives have a very serious existential problem.”
The contest for Tory leadership must consider the seats that went to Labour and the Lib Dems in the south as Suella Braveerman and Priti Patel will only appeal to those who went to Reform, says former president of YouGov Peter Kellner
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It's not a problem. It's a good thing.
Think about the fact that there are now zero Tory MP’s in Wales and zero Tory MP’s in Cornwall
Meur ras dhe Kernow
They hold one seat in the North East even losing their rural seats.
Or in Oxfordshire.
A minority of seats in true blue Devonshire.
You can walk from Berwick Upon Tweed to Eastbourne without stepping on Tory Soil.... that's a thought
It disgusting to see a lot of the Tories electorate still voted Cruella in...
Tories voted for more poison!
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If Tory membership vote Badenoch or Braverman, then Labour will get 2 terms😂😂😂
Then lets hope the membership does exactly that, with one as deputy to the other.
They'll split the far right.
And the centre right will go their own way too, with any luck.
You mean if they vote in another wet like Rishi
The video ended with Sue Ellen spouting her vile sickening rhetoric. Made me feel physically sick.
Bravermänn and Pätel.
The Freakshow Party
The arrogance, corruption and incompetence of the party had been on full display for many years. They are despised. Even the right- wing.-press /MSM have failed to grasp this.
I you told somebody 30 years ago about Britain today, they would be in total shock and horror.
Causes by Right Wing Thatcherite NeoLib Economics carried on though to Starmer. Dress it up however he does, Britain is only going to recover when it ditches this obsession and returns to decent 1945 - 1979 Economics.
@@ScruffyTubbles and deals with it's tax havens the City and media ownership in the hands of tax exiles and foreigners
Stella’s speech there is pretty horrible but it’s also transparent and inauthentic. You can tell she doesn’t really mean it, which might make her more dangerous and unhinged. Luckily she’ll never be PM.
transparent and inautentic-its interesting
God only knows who she is speaking to. I wonder if she practiced reading it to her children. She is a disgrace to her parents and womankind. As Badenoch - who is only a tiny bit better IMO - pointed out, she must be having some sort of public mental breakdown. Cleverly is probably thinking "Batshit crazy!".
A Party of the elderly and smug, a shrinking demographic.
Unfit to govern. 🤮
I turned off when Braverman came on. Her supercilious manner makes me want to retch. She does not speak for me. I am sick of endless Conservatives promises to 'deliver'! Deliver what? Those that are left are concerned only by jockeying for position ! Without realising it's too late. The damage has been done. The party is in terminal decline.
THINGS 🎵CAN ONLY🎶 GET BETTER !🎶 THINGS CAN 🎶ONLY 🎶GET BETTER !🎵
It appears that some of the headline makers like Braveerman, didn't get the message last week. The population were sick and tired of the corruption, incompetence and ineptitude of those running they country. While those on the far right went on about their woke opponents and culture wars the vast majority in the country were more concerned that they couldn't pay their mortgage or put food on the table or get a hospital appointment or find a place to live. That is what the voters were worried about not the attempts at deflection by right wing empty head Tory leaders to try and deflect from their inability to govern. Braveerman, Patel and Bedenoch are having a schoolyard spat while the adults are getting on with trying to correct the mistakes of the Tory party over the 14 years and as the voters showed last week they've had enough of it.
The only good thing that will come out of this spat is that Labour will get a decade in power to right the catastrophe that the Torie fostered on us.
Cleverly ain’t no one nationer. Her will change with the wind. He’s least bad of those mentioned but that bar is limbo-high
He's a globalist. Europe, Ireland and the UK are in the mess they are now because of them. All these people have to go, if you want any chance of your kids and grandchildren having a future to look forward to. Time is fast running out.
Well, you know tories had a good run since the 18th century. I hope they go the same way as the old uk whigs party and end up in the dustbin of history
Braverman MP sounding out about mutilation of the children in schools and hospitals-she'll try anytihng for a rise-cheap charlaton!
The rich will always be here, and without some higher _noblesse oblige_ they are always against us.
The rich are leaving. I wouldn't worry too much.
@@advocate1563 they'll be back. Dubai isn t that great a place to live.
If I may paraphrase the stupidity of Brexiteers, and I think I may, "You Lost, Get Over It"🤫🤐
A conservative party wanting to implement a far-right policy is like a deer challenging a bear before being eaten. The party must have the courage to turn the page and return to compassionate conservatism.
They won't, Sunak spent most of his time chasing the nutters with the Rwanda policy
When was that time ?
_Compassionate conservatism_
I do love an oxymoron.
I'm old enough to remember a Conservative government that rapidly ended the Empire in Africa, built lots of council houses, by and large accepted comprehemsives. continued to develop the NHS, refrained from privatising the industries that Labour had nationalised and then saw off the likes of Griffiths and Powel. I didn't vote for them, but compared to now they were "compassionate".
@@carelgoodheir692That was known as Buskerlism. It was accepted by the Conservatives that they had to embrace the Welfare State. That and a growing post war economy kept them in power from 1951 to 1964. However that all came to an end with the oil crisis, the miners strike of the early 70's add to that the growth of monetarism, free market and libertarian ideas, and one Maggie Thatcher it all came to an end.
They're finished! Their utter arrogance STOPS THEM FROM SEEING IT.
Get out of bed earlier each morning so we can all gloat about "Our Overwhelming Labour Victory" for longer every day !😋😋😍
You like tyranny....
@@ColinMaxwell-oc1ok Labour will continue to resist tyranny, in particular in Ukraine. But there'll be some planning decisions that locals will hate - maybe that's your idea of tyranny?
We need PR. It's ludicrous to have to be second guessing votes. The amount of tactical voting completely skews the picture.
I think the media need to know that most of us couldn't give a sh*te about the Conservatives and their problems. We saw all the concern that the party of 'me first' showed us, the nation, and voted accordingly.
He doesn’t know what he’s talking about or he’s intentionally giving bad advice. We just saw what happens when they select someone moderate who isn’t serious about being conservative.
None of them are fit to run this country.
Perhaps the Tories are now wishing that they had supported PR in the past.
Jimmy Dimly in the lead! Oh my word!
Oh dear, how sad, nevermind...
The Tory’s should form a new party, a party for the Working Class 😺🙃
Bedenoch and braverman are horrible women
The Tory party stopped being a broad church the day they changed the rules to elect the party leader via a vote solely out of paid up party members and not chosen by the sitting MP’s who generally have a sense of who would be electable
LOL, the MPs selected Teresa May and Rishi Sunak, alone and without a members vote. How electable were they?
@@lesigh1749 I take your point but stick by my contention that giving the final say to the readership of Conservative Home guarantees the nuttiest will be chosen
the modi/mugabe crew are leading the tories...
Lost the Deep Blue Wall.
When the cost of living and a failure of services are all that gets talked about outside of politics. It takes quite a bubble to keep talking about how bad wokism is. Maybe deal with actual problems...
Labour will lose the electiion amid a mass of contradictions. Elections are lost not won.
I still can't believe Braverman and co seriously set themselves up to be called Nat-Cs, that feels way too direct for them. Especially with the lat 1930s way she talks about trans people
I don't quite understand why the last minute or two of this video was just a platform for spewing unchallenged bile... does a good job of showing how deranged some of them are I suppose...
@@Skulker42 Yeah, that was pretty fecking gross
@@Skulker42 "I don't quite understand why "
So that we may know them.
They tend to let the mask slip a little at these nasty little get togethers.
I not sure Braverman could get the 20 MP’s to nominate her let alone get to the final membership vote.
The political climate will have changed again in five years time, so planning your future strategy now, is like generals fighting the last war.
Yes, but not planning strategy now is now an option for a party on the ropes. If they want to recover thay'll need a strategy of flexibility, keeping open routes back to the Centre if that's still the best bet in five years time. Quite a task when the Tory membership is as far to the right as it now is.
Could the Tory Party be coming apart ?
They've been a zombie party since Cameron.
Is there a place for the Conservative Party at all? Reform provides the right, Labour, Liberal Democrats and Green cover the centre left and left (and the SNP in Scotland, Plaid Cymru in Wales). Given their lack of popularity now, the likelihood of a protracted struggle over its future direction, couldn’t it just fade into obscurity, as happened to the Liberals in the early twentieth century?
I don't think Farage is on a par with Disraeli. It's more likely that Reform will peak - maybe has peaked. But, it may fold into the Conservatives. Remember the short-lived Social Democrats uniting with the Liberals to form the Liberal Democrats? How about Conservative Reform candidates at some future GE? The electorate would have to change a lot for that to go down well!!!
@@carelgoodheir692I'd prefer Reform to stick around as a Tory vote stealer in much the same way the Lib Dems are for Labour. The only reason the Tories are historically electorally succesful is they have dominated the right wing of politics, the left being divided struggles to win in a FPTP electoral system. Permanently splitting the right wing vote levels the playing field.
This is all too much for the likes of Suella Braverman and her drive towards the right. I think we can safely put her down as one of those that wants to see the demise of the Tory Party. Unlike the last Tory government most of the population who voted remain in 2016 are still of that view and will not consent to foolhardy trade agreements with far off continents as some sort of substitute.
It looks to me if Cleverly becomes PM Sue Ellen and some of the other hard right nutters will split and join Reform. Interesting to see the Tory party implode. Makes me wonder what caused it.....the B word(s)....Brexit or Boris....or both.....almost forgot Truss!!
Pages out of Trump's playbook from BraveRRman
There's a dichotomy when it comes to the Tory party, the hard right wingers wanting to outdo Reform or be like Reform, and on the left wing the one nation Tories that want to remain in the centre -right ground. The tension between the two could tear the Tory party apart, and a new party will form depending on who is elected Tory party leader.
And that new little party will be our official opposition? We live in strange times. Normally we will argue whether a party is fit to govern but we are now arguing whether a party is competent to be our opposition. (My answer is not any time soon)
Well basically Lib Dems are a right wing party economically, the one nation Tories can join them,and the swivel eyed loons merge with Reform.
(anti) Trans fanatics is a pretty good description of people like Braveerman.
The public has taken some years to weigh it up but now overwhelmingly rejects the idea that trans women are literaly women. As long as the Left doesn't give way a bit, to some sensible compromise, on that issue the Far Right gets scoring on it.
Not surprising that Tory voters want James Notso. However I suspect party members want someone a little less sane.
I would join just to vote for Suella Braverman Priti Patel and Kemi Badenoch. The fun is there to see...
"Less sane" as in loyal to THIS country and not the WEF?
Well what kind of sane person would still be a ory member in 2024?
@@lesigh1749 Does your psychiatrist know you have access to an internet enabled device?
@@davidwright7193 Aw bless, dissenting opinion dismissed as further insanity. Is everyone who thinks you talk wet clinically mad in your tiny little world view?
basically all the normal lies failed.
They won't win the Reform votes back. Reform will only grow from here. The Tories should go for the middle ground then try to win seats back from Labour and the Lib Dems. We're going to end up in a situation in Britain, where roughly speaking, Labour, Tories and Reform have approximately 7 or 8 millions voters, each.
Reform may well grow. If media continue a disproportionate fetsish for one man that goes back 15+ years they could even get double figures and be the fourth largest part at a stretch (currently 5th after Sinn Fein, but we know that Reform are far from alone in never thinking about NI). There will always be room for simplistic sloganeers
Nothing is inevitable. When Farrage slopes off what will happen to them? Much as I hate the guy he is good at publicity with the simple minded
The world is too disturbed for predictions like that to be more than guesses. Climatic disruptions to food production, fearful reactions to the numbers of people now on the move, inability to deal with the consequences of new technology, extremely fast social change - will saner leaders be permitted to function by populatiuons increasingly on edge?
Bolt claim. Reform is in the same numbers as UKIP was. Doubtful they can grow much more.
Cruella is also a bigot? Whoda thunk?
A 60 sec preview on a 8 min video?
Come on Times- surely a good headline/title is sufficient to attract any interested viewers.
So they can’t keep leave voters happy and they can’t keep remain voters happy. They just gotta decide where most votes lie. But it would be a mistake to compare leave and remain numbers, they need to compare content leave voters and remain voters who think they voted wrong to unhappy remainers and leavers who think they made the wrong choice.
As I've said. Cardinal Morton's fork.
It will be interesting to hear in say 5 years time what some of the electorate who have never had a Labour government make of their policies. They have only just got their feet under the table, then the honeymoon, perhaps then the 5 year itch or divorce. Starmer will find that as long as he does what America wants then all will be fine.
It's not as simple as that. Blair's idea was that going along with the US was more important than honesty when asking parliament to vote for a war. That did not work well! France's refusal to pretend to believe in fictional WMDs worked out better.
Have to avoid a Bennite solution
I was furious with Benn for provoking that deputy leadership contest just when the Tories had a new leader who was particularly unpopular. I was a member at that time and argued that fighting over an honorary position risked letting theTories in. It did, and they stayed in power for quite some time. (And their leader had a spell of being popular before she began to look so nuts that the Tory grandees removed her.)
Capitalism evil banished
What’s the problem? 😂
After every big election win people predict the complete demise of the losing party. But they always come back, because (for better or worse) they represent something that people want. The Tories will be back this time too.
Four immigrants as prospective candidates & they wonder why they lost 🙂
Immigrants? So you're an immigrant even if you were born here and haven't lived anywhere else?
One racist who comments whom we all should be suspicious of and hostile to.
They are of fine Celto Roman stock.
@@ShahidKhan-ke8fe Yes it takes several generations.
@@davidpnewton Why all the self loathing?
Reform UK is the new Conservative party. That's it. It's that simple. Only vote reform from now on.
The Tories need a Robert Peel or Disraeli who can appeal to the wider population. Looks unlikely at the moment
Which ignores the fact that there was no universal sufferage during either of those two's tenure of office (universal sufferage was only granted to men in 1919 and to women in 1928).
It also begs the question: would the elitist and mysogenistic policies of Sir Robert Peel or the Earl of Beaconsfield attract any of today's voters.
@@billseymour-jones3224 "It also begs the question: "
Can't we just let the king be in charge again?
Just look at all the mess us little people make of everything.
🙂
@@billseymour-jones3224 no it doesnt, but thanks for reading my mind. In context (look it up) both politicians mentioned rescued the Tory Party from a moment of existential crisis, REGARDLESS of their politics.
@@billseymour-jones3224 Disraeli figured how to use extending the franchise to make gains for his new Conservative party. That set the stage for the seesaw between two main parties we've lived with since. If Starmer allows PR to go into Labour's next manifesto then the stage will be set for us to free ourselves from that - badly needed!
He's talking shift! They didn't loose from the left, the liberal vote went down in this election!
The combined vote of the various Left of Centre parties was very much greater than the combined vote of the two Rightwing parties. Wriggle by all means, but the rejection of the right by most voters is still the story of this GE.
Tactical voting was huge
They lost more of their seats to Lib Dems than Reform.
If you think Tories need to be more right-wing to get back to power than PLEASE BE MY GUEST.