Hey buddy, great job speaking. I think you have made a slight mistake in your interpretation of the Golden Rule. There is no need for a platinum or silver rule. The Golden Rule makes provision for your concern if you just think a little deeper. You are saying that the Golden Rule means: "If I like blue ties, and you like red ties, my gift to you would be a blue tie." Or in other words, you are suggesting that the Golden Rule instructs me to give you the gifts I want, but not what you want or what is best for you. This of course is an infantile understanding of the Golden Rule. It will only take five seconds for you to think a wee bit deeper and correct your thinking about this genius rule. The Golden Rule actually instructs you to consider how someone else wants to be treated! So If I like blue ties and I know you like red ties, the rule instructs me to treat you how I want to be treated. I will give you the tie you want, because I would want you to give me the tie that I want. Did you catch that? No need to spend your energy on fixing something that was never broken. Consider your example of the children trying to look over the fence to see the game. The golden rule instructs us to help every child see the game using one, two, or three blocks. The Golden Rule says nothing about equality. It actually instructs us to use whatever moral means to accomplish the desired end that we would want for ourselves, if that's what they want! Of course, the "platinum" rule is a common challenge to the Golden Rule. Many people have made your point. And many more have made mine. It seems like this misunderstanding will always be around. I wonder (psychologically) what is at the root of the challenge.
+Brooks Gibbs I totally agree with your point of view and I really appreciate such a nice explanation. I think Mr. Brendan has misunderstood the golden rule. And everybody should think little deeper about some rule before getting ready to fix it.
I get his point on equity. It's like, respect. Children are supposed to respect elders, EVEN though they have been bad to you. Or they not even respectable. It's like, we're equal, but not fair. Why do older people have the pass to disrespect young ones but young ones are supposed to respect those who are older. Does that mean that when I get older I get the pass of disrespecting those younger than me?
The problem with your point is that you cannot know exactly what everybody else wants. Also you are mixing up cultural differences with individual differences.
Brooks, Well said. The problem is, this is TED, and the Currency of the Realm here is cuteness, oddity, and a bogus cleverness that you pass off as intelligence or thought. Brendan, like this entire generation of "Miraculous Success Through Paying Me To Self-Improve You" philosophers, trainers, mentors, and other paid talkers, had the scheme totally under control.
The Golden Rule is a great baseline for getting along with people. That first step of empathy is at the heart of real connection. It's not failsafe, but it's always a good start to living honorably, and making a productive relationship.
A different issue I have with the golden rule is it is only interpersonal. It has nothing to do with the greater universe, like my commandment... "Love." is a one-word commandment to always do good.
How do you suppose a masochist would have you do onto them? The platinum rule would suggest that you inflict pain and humiliation onto them. What about an addict? What would they have you do onto them? This rule, my friends, is entirely non therapeutic, opportunistic and insane! The Golden rule doesn't need revision. People's interpretation of it does!
When people think about the golden rule they usually mean something like the Categorical Imperative which is more like "act such that the underlying assumptions of your behavior become universal law without contradiction" / "treat people as ends rather than tools".
Applying the golden rule means that I will be thoughtful and courteous in my dealings with others. The illustration of treating each kid of different heights the same is not the golden rule in action. The thoughtful goal is for each kid to see the game. The platinum rule would work also if I don’t impose my desire on someone else.
Realization of the difference of interpreting The Golden Rule brings question on the intentions of the individual who founded this concept. My personal translation gave consideration not only to self desire of conduct directed toward myself but also the desired conduct received by another individual. The Golden Rule teaches to "do unto others as you want done unto you," so I made the assumption that since I want others to consider my emotional involvement that I should take into account the feelings of another individual. Personal preference will differ from individual to individual so it is important to communicate intentions when engaging a stranger. This philosophy was instilled to me at a very young age. Not only was the definition taught and the observation expected but the proper etiquette to conduct was detailed and practiced involving different circumstances. In this lecture the distance to stand across from another was discussed to be attained through observation; however, my upbringing did in fact entail being verbally told the proper distance which is arm's length away. It is concerning that this rule was relayed to developing minds without the etiquette. Seems society lost it in translation.
The Platinum Rule 'Do unto others as they would have you do unto them' fits with Non Violent Communication(NVC) Skills stuff. An older expression of it is put yourself in their shoes. The Golden rule is still OK though for basic moral standards without getting into diverse needs.
it still falls back to the golden rule. treat others the way you yourself would want to be treated. i cant think of anyone that would want to be treated unfairly or poorly. so that is where the root of empathy hapens that builds the bridge between poeple that leads your to treating them how they would want to be treated. as far as details go in the specific dos and donts of how to go about it...just use common sense
@@dakotastein9499 i can think of people who want to be treated better than the people they talk to so this literally promotes narcissistic personalities.
@@DapiferAdLignumVitae No it doesn't if somone thinks they should be treated better than others as if they were beneath them...then it's not the golden rule that's the problem,its the narcissistic person that's the problem.
@@dakotastein9499 your right, thats not the golden rule. But that IS the platinum rule. "Treat others how they wish to be treated." Its pretty straightforward of a concept to understand. Its literally the definition of pandering to someone elses sensitivity at the cost (at times) of ones own self respect. I support the golden rule. I understand that the golden rule needs to come from a place of self respect first before one can show others the same. What im getting at is that the platinum rule is complete nonsense.
The Platinum rule is wrong because what if somebody wants me to buy them drugs? Am I supposed to give them what they want according to the Platinum rule?
This is more of a silver rule than platinum! Do unto others, as they would have do unto them - in other words - Respect other's needs. The Golden rule version of this statement would be - 'Respect others' needs if you wish them to respect yours' which is a more complete (and also has a greater wisdom hidden inside it.)
need to remember boundaries is something everyone has so the golden rule does include our own personal quirks if you think about it as not crossing someones boundaries as you wouldn't want them to cross your own boundaries......you still should use common since when applying
The Golden Rule is not about equity, equality, or fairness. It's about empathy. That's the simple beauty of it. It's really too bad that Brandon's hubris got in the way of understanding that.
It isnt just him I am here bc xbox has a big "platinum rule" spiel recently...I think it is the pinnacle of nieveity to assume we as the children of countless generations can know well enough to change something as ingrained and interwoven as this parable
I'm sick of being abused by unempathetic bullies like you who insist on treating me the way YOU want to be treated instead of the way I want to be treated. Why can't people like you understand that other people aren't you?
The spirit of the guideline is to be thoughtful and considerate of the feelings of others. Perhaps one person would be unhappy if I dragged them into a group of people at a party. Another would be happy. In interpret it as my mother always told me. "Put yourself into the other person's shoes before you act, and try your best to see how you can serve the greater good. A good place to at least start, is to consciously consider if what you are doing would hurt you. If so, it's probably a good idea to reconsider your action." So for me, it's all about being awake and considerate of the ripples I create.
First of all, the Golden Rule being supported in Scripture, I am not inclined to modify it. We have many ideas that are not working because the Bible is not well understood and complied with. I am a Westerner (USA) and have lived and worked in the American East. There is a different cultural expectation in the East about the distance between people who are conversing. They like to get closer than I am comfortable with. However, I did try to go with it, assuming that the closeness meant something to them. They don't see the effort. Also, when I asked some Easterners about this, most of them wondered why it was the subject of conversation. I don't think you can win unless you let them get in your face, and pretend it's OK. On the other hand, in the East they have the lovely and hospitable practice of just dropping over when they want to visit. And they hope you will do the same. Whereas, here in the West we prefer a phone call first. I remember when, in the 1950s & '60s it was OK to just drop over in a Western context too. I appreciate that Easterners are ready and willing to host people and share time with them. In this they have the upper hand.
I completely disagree. I’m glad he points out that equality and fairness are not the same thing. But where he wants equal outcomes for every person, the problem is that not every puts in equal output. Your outcomes should be the result of your output. His platinum rule is covered by a better understanding of the golden rule. You don’t know what they would want you to do for them but once you learn that then you do that. He’s on the right track but he’s limiting the golden rule in order to expand it. You want others to treat you the way you want to be treated and part of that is learning how others want to be treated. That’s still part of the golden rule. The platinum rule becomes redundant. He’s just starting to understand the golden rule by getting into his platinum rule
The only thing wrong with the golden rule is its interpretation and its application. Let's not over-think so much, but ground ourselves with a deeper and open-minded under-standing.
ikr? poeple try too hard to scrutinize details,which makes the greater point fall to pieces in the process. all the golden rule means at its core is to act with empathy,to remember that they have needs,feelings and boundries just like you do...they might be different but they are still there and THAT is the core concept
The platinum rule requires that the person you are meeting is applying to the rule as well. And this fact points on the real problem. I would rather call this the silver rule.
"Platinum" is same Golden, but with a bit more thought. It's not "I'd like smb to bring me into the crowd, so I'll do that" it's "I'd like people to consider my preferencies on how to party, so I'll concider theirs".
I will treat people the way I want to be treated. This rule is for world wide- not work place where our lives intertwine. That is an entirely different dynamic
No, the Golden Rule calls on us to love one another. That takes into consideration culture, equity, diversity and inclusion. His Platinum Rule does not cut it; love does.
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Agree. Love is the golden rule. However, much harm has been done "in the name of love" but never in the name of respect. These are different layers of depth
The speaker may not have known this at the time but at least when it pertains to what Jesus says (“in everything therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you”), it comes in a context of establishing a rapport with other people specifically by asking appropriate questions, seeking to make their life and the world better and knocking by showing you care rather than judging and condemning. And for all my non-Christian friends out there who might respond to that with “yeah and yet so many Christians do the opposite and judge everyone,” I hear you. And I’m with you. Which makes what Jesus said about this all the more relevant - it speaks to a very human problem of judging people before we have the facts.
Do unto others as they would have you do unto them. Makes me think a lot of people do not know what is best for them. Someone may know what is best for them but would choose not to have this done unto them. Everyone knows vegetables are good for them. Most people choose not to eat them. Someone may want to eat pizza everyday instead of vegetables but I would have any them to have a bigger variety in their diet. That would be better for their health.
and i thought myself my own version... "dont do unto others, what you don't want them to do unto you"... that's where you missed the point, so i made it my own (they have their own dynastic war at that time) so Confucius cam up with awesome thoughts. your own self needs to realize, not the outside (or other people thinks)...
really good - this is something very close to my heart and life ( both professionally and personally ) ...- the first time I ever exposed to the platinum rule was at a Deep Democracy retreat several years ago. His articulation about consciously doing it, is spot on
absent my knowledge of some other person's unique needs, the "golden rule" is the imperative that I make a "best-effort" to treat my fellows as I myself would like to be treated. Of course this imperative is "incomplete" and "inadequate". But that is not the point. The point is how I think about my fellow humans, do I take some time to consider the needs of others? Do I regard the needs of others as "important"? Given the little "baseball-park" example in your talk, it would be nice if I were to try to get the shorter boy a bigger box upon which to stand, but this is obvious. what if the taller boy were deaf? Your example doesn't really address less-evident needs, and in fact falls short of illustrating the "golden-rule" principal at all. The "golden-rule" is about how you think about and act toward your fellows, not your perfect adherence to their every need. The principal is about you, and how you think and act. None of us can behave in a "perfect" manner, and the shortcomings you elucidate seem to be of that variety.
GorillaGuerilla He certainly discussed the golden rule and the fact that so many religious types tend to ignore it. I can't recall him address the platinum rule, although it sounds like something he would put forward. Perhaps he just didn't label it.
Uh, the Golden Rule relates to treating others in relation to benevolance, not in relation to what I would call "common sense". I'm an extrovert too but common sense would dictate that two people off on the side having a conversation at a party is none of my business and if they want to join the bigger group that's up to them. Common sense would also dictate for instance that just because I'm a hugger, it doesn't mean I hug someone I've just met who visibly isn't a hugger or culturally a Muslim man. You've basically missed the point of The Golden Rule.
The Rule is the same as religion's spiritual teachings are the same... "Wish not for others what ye wish not for yourselves; fear God, and be not of the prideful. Ye are all created out of water, and unto dust shall ye return. Reflect upon the end that awaiteth you, and walk not in the ways of the oppressor." ~ Baha'u'llah
Karl Popper, The Open Society and its Enemies, 1945: "The golden rule is a good standard which can perhaps even be improved by doing unto others, wherever possible, as they would be done by..."
You are free to think what you want about the golden rule. But this I am sure: If you lack empathy, you will regard is as bad because it requires you to understand what someone views as good first so you can do something good to them, then comes the expectation of reciprocity. If someone is in need of help and you help them and they don't reciprocate back when you need their help and they are very capable of it (they have time and resources for example), you will know who they are and you would stay away from them. Why? Because you don't help people who only help themselves. If they don't know how to pass on something good, then what good is helping them?
I understand what you're saying, and your comments are valuable, but I'm gonna say there is still error with this platinum rule. The key word that you said in the beginning is what you *want* may not be what they *want*. But now you changed it to *need* and that changes what you're addressing. To me, that is inconsistent.
The golden rule is to put yourself in the other person’s shoes and treat they thru that experience as they would want to be treated. This talk mischievous the golden rule. It’s not “do to other’s as you wish them do to you”.
Sorry, you have misinterpreted the Golden Rule. The Golden Rule is Not treating everyone the same as me. It is first putting myself in other individual's shoes and then considering how I would want to be treated. Therefore, if I were very short I may need two boxes to see the game, but if I'm just short I may only need one box. Your defeating a straw. The Golden Rule is not deficient, only your understanding of it. Closely akin to the Golden Rule is "in humility count others more significant than yourselves".
problem is your skewing how the golden rule is practiced...by changing your enterpretation of it. as you said it exists as an ethic in almost every culture and takes many forms. but your taking the "whats good for me" too far into acount over the well being of others. part of what solidifies the golden rule is empathy and the ability to temperarily looking at the perspective of another as well as gaging thier raction. as you pointed out with the personal space...you constantly steping back while the other moves forward means both of you are still to inwardly focused to think "maybe we should try to reach a common understanding of boundries and just say something,which would insure everyones confort" you dont have to go off of blind assumption and keep it at that. the golden rule isnt fixated on details...but it does not have to be,thats what common sense and reasoning are for. but empathy and reasoning togather and its a combination without fail.
They don't differ... they are as you mentioned taught in most all cultures, those with any sense of culture and intelligent intellectual decorum bruh...
The teaching is about self, not the other person's needs. It is about your OWN behavior towards everyone else. Denying your own needs and wants for everyone else. The problem is that no one, except Jesus Christ, is able to perfectly follow the Old Testament teaching. He is the perfect unblemished lamb for all humanity!
I don't agree with this. Why should anyone get more boxes than me? Have they worked harder than me, and earned more boxes? I shouldn't have to get boxes to be fair to a midget. I'll just let them stand in front. Because that's what I would want them to do for me and in that situation. That's how the Golden rule works. (Sorry I'mma Golden rule guy for life; don't try and fix what's not broken.)(this guy reminds me of the social worker from Los Angeles on an early king of the hill episode.)
The same Bible that says "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you", also teaches how to buy slaves, enslave children, pass slaves on to next generation as permanent inheritance, and to not treat relatives they way slaves are treated. Hypocrisy at its worst. Leviticus 25:44-46 However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. It (Bible) is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies. Mark Twain The best cure for Christianity is reading the bible. Mark twain Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived. Isaac Asimov
well,the bible is tue to its meaning,you as people change in education and meanings.The bible as for as slavery is another word or way to express employer and employee modernized culture coporate living..USA EUROPEAN ROMAN AND ANY COUNTRY CULTURED IN THIS MODERN DAY SLAVE TACTICS.INSTEAD ISREAL IS TO BE INDEPENDENT,SO AS NOT TO END UP SLAVES,MODERN ARE ACIENT BY VICES AND DESIGN.
+nikki white Emotional attachments are why you believe in the particular religion you were raised in. Your religion has become part of your identity, place in the world, family, community, meaning, direction, security, and a gullible hope for an eternal life. The fact that most believers are born in families of the same religion, is the proof that the main determining factor in choosing your religion is the religion of parents, and not a well thought out rational process. It is almost like you wanting to root only for the sports team of your hometown. Had you been born in a different religion, you would now be defending that religion instead. The reason you do not see the flaws, contradictions, fallacies, lies, irrational rituals, contrived miracles, delusions, hallucinations, and illusions of your religion is because your emotional attachments biases you to be selectively favoring information that only confirms your preconceptions, and reject any information that proves your beliefs to be delusional. Only you can free yourself from the grip religion has got on your delusional neck. 1- Identify and admit you have an emotional attachment to your beliefs. 2- Have the courage to open up your beliefs to doubt, because doubt (not faith) is the starting point for any rational analysis. 3- Allow yourself to be led by the facts and not your preconceptions. Differentiate between what is true and what is made up. If you are told "God did it" then ask "how did God do it?". Don't just let magic be the answer. 4- Be prepared to accept the outcome, no matter how emotionally painful that may be. 5- If your beliefs are true, you have nothing to worry about. If they are not true, you have everything to gain.
+atam mardes are you a government controller are hater of or a player in?You, seem to be lost.You insult others and their beliefs.WELL,as for mental combat,I side stepped your weak thouhgts,BAM.1Im not Christian. 2All human have emotion.3I am more,than belief.LOOK I could go on and on,but than that would turn to be abuse,and thats my nature nor own will intent.
+nikki white I am a human being who is interested in the truth and not some delusional beliefs that make people happy and their arrogance to try to promote it as facts. Do you understand?
Unfortunately, I agree that this speaker has misinterpreted the golden rule. It is based on a Moral standard, not a touchy-feely perspective. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Someone commented that TED speakers are trying to reinvent the wheel. Nothing wrong with this wheel. If the speaker doesn't want to live by the GR, that's his prerogative, he needn't, however, try to dismember it in the process.
You read into it too detail and come across as nitpicking. Golden rule is a simple base to build on, like be kind to others and they'll be kind to us too. From there it's a communication, like a couple each may have different favorite snack and each would buy different snack for their partner. and to find a compromise when each have their own preferred personal space radius. Also, one of golden rule flaw is masochistic people should be kept away from it.
I think you have completely missed the point. It applies in your example too, if I want to be treated according to my individual needs, I expect others too to treat me according to my individual needs. Your platinum rule, doesn't make any sense.
Its true his interpretation of the golden rule is off. Problem might be he doesn't know it's a teaching of Jesus and has never read other teachings like the sermon on the mount. He stated his teacher taught him this in school when he was five. He's looking at this from an angle that doesn't fully understand the golden rule, because his understanding doesn't include an understanding of Jesus.
That isnt what it means by the golden rule brother. You are explaining a concept u dont even understand. Thats a spiritual law.i wouldn't wanna explain by txt. Just dig deeper.
The fullest & best Golden Rule that is even more unique: "But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them...". Luke 6:27-31.
Those among us who do not hold faith in the afterlife are likely to find fault with a policy demanding appeasement to all those who would victimize others.
Well, that scripture he wrote out is basically telling you to take the lead in a loving way, instead of following someone else's lead in a negative way. That way you can influence them for the good, while keeping yourself calm. As opposed to validating their behavior by picking up their bad and negative attitude, which would be more stressful to you. Although there are also scriptures that say to not willingly associate with people that would bring you down.
4:00 The rule of gravity is like the golden rule and the rule of thumb. This guy's nature is ethnocentric as his norm. And his examples confirm his inclinations. This speech isn't about any rule , it's nonsense.
you just have to balance research, knowledge, acceptance, tolerance and understanding. In other words be an empath, tear down national borders and accept immigrants and mixing of cultures. keep the good traditional values, discard the bad. :)
Hey buddy, great job speaking. I think you have made a slight mistake in your interpretation of the Golden Rule. There is no need for a platinum or silver rule. The Golden Rule makes provision for your concern if you just think a little deeper.
You are saying that the Golden Rule means: "If I like blue ties, and you like red ties, my gift to you would be a blue tie."
Or in other words, you are suggesting that the Golden Rule instructs me to give you the gifts I want, but not what you want or what is best for you.
This of course is an infantile understanding of the Golden Rule. It will only take five seconds for you to think a wee bit deeper and correct your thinking about this genius rule.
The Golden Rule actually instructs you to consider how someone else wants to be treated! So If I like blue ties and I know you like red ties, the rule instructs me to treat you how I want to be treated. I will give you the tie you want, because I would want you to give me the tie that I want. Did you catch that?
No need to spend your energy on fixing something that was never broken.
Consider your example of the children trying to look over the fence to see the game. The golden rule instructs us to help every child see the game using one, two, or three blocks. The Golden Rule says nothing about equality. It actually instructs us to use whatever moral means to accomplish the desired end that we would want for ourselves, if that's what they want!
Of course, the "platinum" rule is a common challenge to the Golden Rule. Many people have made your point. And many more have made mine. It seems like this misunderstanding will always be around. I wonder (psychologically) what is at the root of the challenge.
+Brooks Gibbs I totally agree with your point of view and I really appreciate such a nice explanation. I think Mr. Brendan has misunderstood the golden rule. And everybody should think little deeper about some rule before getting ready to fix it.
I get his point on equity. It's like, respect. Children are supposed to respect elders, EVEN though they have been bad to you. Or they not even respectable. It's like, we're equal, but not fair. Why do older people have the pass to disrespect young ones but young ones are supposed to respect those who are older. Does that mean that when I get older I get the pass of disrespecting those younger than me?
The problem with your point is that you cannot know exactly what everybody else wants.
Also you are mixing up cultural differences with individual differences.
Brooks,
Well said. The problem is, this is TED, and the Currency of the Realm here is cuteness, oddity, and a bogus cleverness that you pass off as intelligence or thought.
Brendan, like this entire generation of "Miraculous Success Through Paying Me To Self-Improve You" philosophers, trainers, mentors, and other paid talkers, had the scheme totally under control.
Thank you!
The Golden Rule is a great baseline for getting along with people. That first step of empathy is at the heart of real connection. It's not failsafe, but it's always a good start to living honorably, and making a productive relationship.
Don't sweat the small stuff. Grow by learning to roll with it.
The platinum rule. Be a doormat. lol there's a reason that this only got 24k views on a channel with 15m subscribers.
A different issue I have with the golden rule is it is only interpersonal.
It has nothing to do with the greater universe, like my commandment...
"Love." is a one-word commandment to always do good.
How do you suppose a masochist would have you do onto them? The platinum rule would suggest that you inflict pain and humiliation onto them. What about an addict? What would they have you do onto them? This rule, my friends, is entirely non therapeutic, opportunistic and insane!
The Golden rule doesn't need revision. People's interpretation of it does!
When people think about the golden rule they usually mean something like the Categorical Imperative which is more like "act such that the underlying assumptions of your behavior become universal law without contradiction" / "treat people as ends rather than tools".
One of the ideas worth spreading.
Applying the golden rule means that I will be thoughtful and courteous in my dealings with others. The illustration of treating each kid of different heights the same is not the golden rule in action. The thoughtful goal is for each kid to see the game.
The platinum rule would work also if I don’t impose my desire on someone else.
very good!
just be good to people
Realization of the difference of interpreting The Golden Rule brings question on the intentions of the individual who founded this concept. My personal translation gave consideration not only to self desire of conduct directed toward myself but also the desired conduct received by another individual. The Golden Rule teaches to "do unto others as you want done unto you," so I made the assumption that since I want others to consider my emotional involvement that I should take into account the feelings of another individual. Personal preference will differ from individual to individual so it is important to communicate intentions when engaging a stranger. This philosophy was instilled to me at a very young age. Not only was the definition taught and the observation expected but the proper etiquette to conduct was detailed and practiced involving different circumstances. In this lecture the distance to stand across from another was discussed to be attained through observation; however, my upbringing did in fact entail being verbally told the proper distance which is arm's length away. It is concerning that this rule was relayed to developing minds without the etiquette. Seems society lost it in translation.
On a side note I found your lecture not only entertaining but educational. Sincerely thank you for shedding light on a dying art.
The Platinum Rule 'Do unto others as they would have you do unto them' fits with Non Violent Communication(NVC) Skills stuff. An older expression of it is put yourself in their shoes. The Golden rule is still OK though for basic moral standards without getting into diverse needs.
It's simple: Treat other people the way they want to be treated.
it still falls back to the golden rule.
treat others the way you yourself would want to be treated.
i cant think of anyone that would want to be treated unfairly or poorly. so that is where the root of empathy hapens that builds the bridge between poeple that leads your to treating them how they would want to be treated.
as far as details go in the specific dos and donts of how to go about it...just use common sense
@@dakotastein9499 i can think of people who want to be treated better than the people they talk to so this literally promotes narcissistic personalities.
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No it doesn't if somone thinks they should be treated better than others as if they were beneath them...then it's not the golden rule that's the problem,its the narcissistic person that's the problem.
@@dakotastein9499 your right, thats not the golden rule. But that IS the platinum rule. "Treat others how they wish to be treated."
Its pretty straightforward of a concept to understand. Its literally the definition of pandering to someone elses sensitivity at the cost (at times) of ones own self respect.
I support the golden rule. I understand that the golden rule needs to come from a place of self respect first before one can show others the same.
What im getting at is that the platinum rule is complete nonsense.
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The platinum rule is just a twisted deviation of the golden rule,hens why I don't abide by it.
The Platinum rule is wrong because what if somebody wants me to buy them drugs? Am I supposed to give them what they want according to the Platinum rule?
that issue arrises in both the golden and platinum rule. the principle of 'do no harm' is probably primary
@@davidweisinger834 No the problem only arises with the platinum rule. The Golden rule dictates you don't buy them drugs .
Do onto others as they have onto you is a much better rule
This is more of a silver rule than platinum! Do unto others, as they would have do unto them - in other words - Respect other's needs. The Golden rule version of this statement would be - 'Respect others' needs if you wish them to respect yours'
which is a more complete (and also has a greater wisdom hidden inside it.)
+Chetan Bhati at base, our needs are all the same, generally.
need to remember boundaries is something everyone has so the golden rule does include our own personal quirks if you think about it as not crossing someones boundaries as you wouldn't want them to cross your own boundaries......you still should use common since when applying
The Golden Rule is not about equity, equality, or fairness. It's about empathy. That's the simple beauty of it. It's really too bad that Brandon's hubris got in the way of understanding that.
It isnt just him I am here bc xbox has a big "platinum rule" spiel recently...I think it is the pinnacle of nieveity to assume we as the children of countless generations can know well enough to change something as ingrained and interwoven as this parable
I feel like it lacks empathy because you’re treating ppl how you want to be treated instead of how they want to be treated
Sorry but telling humans to treat other the way you want to be treated is like telling a dog to act like a human and drive a car
I'm sick of being abused by unempathetic bullies like you who insist on treating me the way YOU want to be treated instead of the way I want to be treated.
Why can't people like you understand that other people aren't you?
The spirit of the guideline is to be thoughtful and considerate of the feelings of others. Perhaps one person would be unhappy if I dragged them into a group of people at a party. Another would be happy. In interpret it as my mother always told me. "Put yourself into the other person's shoes before you act, and try your best to see how you can serve the greater good. A good place to at least start, is to consciously consider if what you are doing would hurt you. If so, it's probably a good idea to reconsider your action." So for me, it's all about being awake and considerate of the ripples I create.
Where the golden rule fails, apply the platinum rule. The platinum rule is this: do unto others, as you would have done unto you if you were them.
First of all, the Golden Rule being supported in Scripture, I am not inclined to modify it. We have many ideas that are not working because the Bible is not well understood and complied with.
I am a Westerner (USA) and have lived and worked in the American East. There is a different cultural expectation in the East about the distance between people who are conversing. They like to get closer than I am comfortable with. However, I did try to go with it, assuming that the closeness meant something to them. They don't see the effort. Also, when I asked some Easterners about this, most of them wondered why it was the subject of conversation. I don't think you can win unless you let them get in your face, and pretend it's OK.
On the other hand, in the East they have the lovely and hospitable practice of just dropping over when they want to visit. And they hope you will do the same. Whereas, here in the West we prefer a phone call first. I remember when, in the 1950s & '60s it was OK to just drop over in a Western context too. I appreciate that Easterners are ready and willing to host people and share time with them. In this they have the upper hand.
Yes. I agree
I completely disagree. I’m glad he points out that equality and fairness are not the same thing. But where he wants equal outcomes for every person, the problem is that not every puts in equal output. Your outcomes should be the result of your output. His platinum rule is covered by a better understanding of the golden rule. You don’t know what they would want you to do for them but once you learn that then you do that. He’s on the right track but he’s limiting the golden rule in order to expand it. You want others to treat you the way you want to be treated and part of that is learning how others want to be treated. That’s still part of the golden rule. The platinum rule becomes redundant. He’s just starting to understand the golden rule by getting into his platinum rule
Golden rule.
A so simple rule and we managed to make it even this a rocket science..
Humans.....
The only thing wrong with the golden rule is its interpretation and its application. Let's not over-think so much, but ground ourselves with a deeper and open-minded under-standing.
ikr?
poeple try too hard to scrutinize details,which makes the greater point fall to pieces in the process.
all the golden rule means at its core is to act with empathy,to remember that they have needs,feelings and boundries just like you do...they might be different but they are still there and THAT is the core concept
The platinum rule requires that the person you are meeting is applying to the rule as well.
And this fact points on the real problem.
I would rather call this the silver rule.
Golden rules for strangers, Platinum rule is for people you know, don't over think it
"Platinum" is same Golden, but with a bit more thought. It's not "I'd like smb to bring me into the crowd, so I'll do that" it's "I'd like people to consider my preferencies on how to party, so I'll concider theirs".
To keep it simple,how about making it "DO NOT DO TO OTHERS WHAT YOU DO NOT WANT OTHERS DO UNTO YOU"...
I will treat people the way I want to be treated. This rule is for world wide- not work place where our lives intertwine. That is an entirely different dynamic
No, the Golden Rule calls on us to love one another. That takes into consideration culture, equity, diversity and inclusion. His Platinum Rule does not cut it; love does.
Agree. Love is the golden rule. However, much harm has been done "in the name of love" but never in the name of respect. These are different layers of depth
He who has the gold makes the rules. -They Live
Honestly this his whole point of the Golden Rule is his very own opinion
What I mean by the golden room is treat others nice and with love
The speaker may not have known this at the time but at least when it pertains to what Jesus says (“in everything therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you”), it comes in a context of establishing a rapport with other people specifically by asking appropriate questions, seeking to make their life and the world better and knocking by showing you care rather than judging and condemning.
And for all my non-Christian friends out there who might respond to that with “yeah and yet so many Christians do the opposite and judge everyone,” I hear you. And I’m with you. Which makes what Jesus said about this all the more relevant - it speaks to a very human problem of judging people before we have the facts.
Do unto others as they would have you do unto them. Makes me think a lot of people do not know what is best for them. Someone may know what is best for them but would choose not to have this done unto them. Everyone knows vegetables are good for them. Most people choose not to eat them. Someone may want to eat pizza everyday instead of vegetables but I would have any them to have a bigger variety in their diet. That would be better for their health.
You stand far enough to give him a handshake, duh
and i thought myself my own version... "dont do unto others, what you don't want them to do unto you"... that's where you missed the point, so i made it my own (they have their own dynastic war at that time) so Confucius cam up with awesome thoughts. your own self needs to realize, not the outside (or other people thinks)...
"what is good for the hunter is not very good for the ducks" -lrh
When I communicate as minimally and apathetically with strangers, it's not returned. And they are more needy for attention.
For a really smart guy, his interpretation of the Bible is incredibly shallow.
Probably why he's an Atheist.
really good - this is something very close to my heart and life ( both professionally and personally ) ...- the first time I ever exposed to the platinum rule was at a Deep Democracy retreat several years ago. His articulation about consciously doing it, is spot on
absent my knowledge of some other person's unique needs, the "golden rule" is the imperative that I make a "best-effort" to treat my fellows as I myself would like to be treated. Of course this imperative is "incomplete" and "inadequate". But that is not the point. The point is how I think about my fellow humans, do I take some time to consider the needs of others? Do I regard the needs of others as "important"? Given the little "baseball-park" example in your talk, it would be nice if I were to try to get the shorter boy a bigger box upon which to stand, but this is obvious. what if the taller boy were deaf? Your example doesn't really address less-evident needs, and in fact falls short of illustrating the "golden-rule" principal at all. The "golden-rule" is about how you think about and act toward your fellows, not your perfect adherence to their every need. The principal is about you, and how you think and act. None of us can behave in a "perfect" manner, and the shortcomings you elucidate seem to be of that variety.
Wasn't it Christopher Hitchens who also addressed this issue in one of his talks...???
GorillaGuerilla He certainly discussed the golden rule and the fact that so many religious types tend to ignore it. I can't recall him address the platinum rule, although it sounds like something he would put forward. Perhaps he just didn't label it.
***** I think he did, but he didn't call it "the platinum rule" - I'm trying to remember in which of his talks it was - or if it was in a debate...
the categorical imperative ..
The Bible covers Golden and Platinum...Matthew 7:12 and Philippians 2:4...respectively
Philippines 2:3 The diamond rule?
So much of this could be solved by illuminating religion from the world
Uh, the Golden Rule relates to treating others in relation to benevolance, not in relation to what I would call "common sense". I'm an extrovert too but common sense would dictate that two people off on the side having a conversation at a party is none of my business and if they want to join the bigger group that's up to them. Common sense would also dictate for instance that just because I'm a hugger, it doesn't mean I hug someone I've just met who visibly isn't a hugger or culturally a Muslim man. You've basically missed the point of The Golden Rule.
The Rule is the same as religion's spiritual teachings are the same... "Wish not for others what ye wish not for yourselves; fear God, and be not of the prideful. Ye are all created out of water, and unto dust shall ye return. Reflect upon the end that awaiteth you, and walk not in the ways of the oppressor." ~ Baha'u'llah
Karl Popper, The Open Society and its Enemies, 1945:
"The golden rule is a good standard which can perhaps even be improved by doing unto others, wherever possible, as they would be done by..."
You are free to think what you want about the golden rule. But this I am sure: If you lack empathy, you will regard is as bad because it requires you to understand what someone views as good first so you can do something good to them, then comes the expectation of reciprocity. If someone is in need of help and you help them and they don't reciprocate back when you need their help and they are very capable of it (they have time and resources for example), you will know who they are and you would stay away from them. Why? Because you don't help people who only help themselves. If they don't know how to pass on something good, then what good is helping them?
I understand what you're saying, and your comments are valuable, but I'm gonna say there is still error with this platinum rule. The key word that you said in the beginning is what you *want* may not be what they *want*. But now you changed it to *need* and that changes what you're addressing. To me, that is inconsistent.
The golden rule is to put yourself in the other person’s shoes and treat they thru that experience as they would want to be treated. This talk mischievous the golden rule. It’s not “do to other’s as you wish them do to you”.
Sorry, you have misinterpreted the Golden Rule. The Golden Rule is Not treating everyone the same as me. It is first putting myself in other individual's shoes and then considering how I would want to be treated. Therefore, if I were very short I may need two boxes to see the game, but if I'm just short I may only need one box. Your defeating a straw. The Golden Rule is not deficient, only your understanding of it. Closely akin to the Golden Rule is "in humility count others more significant than yourselves".
Wow great explanation thank you for that ❤
problem is your skewing how the golden rule is practiced...by changing your enterpretation of it.
as you said it exists as an ethic in almost every culture and takes many forms.
but your taking the "whats good for me" too far into acount over the well being of others. part of what solidifies the golden rule is empathy and the ability to temperarily looking at the perspective of another as well as gaging thier raction.
as you pointed out with the personal space...you constantly steping back while the other moves forward means both of you are still to inwardly focused to think "maybe we should try to reach a common understanding of boundries and just say something,which would insure everyones confort" you dont have to go off of blind assumption and keep it at that.
the golden rule isnt fixated on details...but it does not have to be,thats what common sense and reasoning are for.
but empathy and reasoning togather and its a combination without fail.
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They don't differ... they are as you mentioned taught in most all cultures, those with any sense of culture and intelligent intellectual decorum bruh...
Was taught at a young age
The teaching is about self, not the other person's needs. It is about your OWN behavior towards everyone else. Denying your own needs and wants for everyone else. The problem is that no one, except Jesus Christ, is able to perfectly follow the Old Testament teaching. He is the perfect unblemished lamb for all humanity!
Your ignorance is showing . . .
@@bledsoetx I am sorry you feel that way. Maybe one day you will see the light.
5 years on a channel with close to 25 million subscribers and it gets 38k views.
Read through the comments, nobody likes it.
Good insight here, especially on the distinction of fairness and sameness.
I don't agree with this. Why should anyone get more boxes than me? Have they worked harder than me, and earned more boxes?
I shouldn't have to get boxes to be fair to a midget.
I'll just let them stand in front. Because that's what I would want them to do for me and in that situation. That's how the Golden rule works. (Sorry I'mma Golden rule guy for life; don't try and fix what's not broken.)(this guy reminds me of the social worker from Los Angeles on an early king of the hill episode.)
How does this explain how it's gay even if it's in a three way? With a honey in the middle there's still some leeway
The same Bible that says "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you", also teaches how to buy slaves, enslave children, pass slaves on to next generation as permanent inheritance, and to not treat relatives they way slaves are treated. Hypocrisy at its worst.
Leviticus 25:44-46
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.
It (Bible) is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies.
Mark Twain
The best cure for Christianity is reading the bible.
Mark twain
Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.
Isaac Asimov
well,the bible is tue to its meaning,you as people change in education and meanings.The bible as for as slavery is another word or way to express employer and employee modernized culture coporate living..USA EUROPEAN ROMAN AND ANY COUNTRY CULTURED IN THIS MODERN DAY SLAVE TACTICS.INSTEAD ISREAL IS TO BE INDEPENDENT,SO AS NOT TO END UP SLAVES,MODERN ARE ACIENT BY VICES AND DESIGN.
+nikki white
Emotional attachments are why you believe in the particular religion you were raised in. Your religion has become part of your identity, place in the world, family, community, meaning, direction, security, and a gullible hope for an eternal life. The fact that most believers are born in families of the same religion, is the proof that the main determining factor in choosing your religion is the religion of parents, and not a well thought out rational process. It is almost like you wanting to root only for the sports team of your hometown. Had you been born in a different religion, you would now be defending that religion instead. The reason you do not see the flaws, contradictions, fallacies, lies, irrational rituals, contrived miracles, delusions, hallucinations, and illusions of your religion is because your emotional attachments biases you to be selectively favoring information that only confirms your preconceptions, and reject any information that proves your beliefs to be delusional. Only you can free yourself from the grip religion has got on your delusional neck.
1- Identify and admit you have an emotional attachment to your beliefs.
2- Have the courage to open up your beliefs to doubt, because doubt (not faith) is the starting point for any rational analysis.
3- Allow yourself to be led by the facts and not your preconceptions. Differentiate between what is true and what is made up. If you are told "God did it" then ask "how did God do it?". Don't just let magic be the answer.
4- Be prepared to accept the outcome, no matter how emotionally painful that may be.
5- If your beliefs are true, you have nothing to worry about. If they are not true, you have everything to gain.
+atam mardes are you a government controller are hater of or a player in?You, seem to be lost.You insult others and their beliefs.WELL,as for mental combat,I side stepped your weak thouhgts,BAM.1Im not Christian. 2All human have emotion.3I am more,than belief.LOOK I could go on and on,but than that would turn to be abuse,and thats my nature nor own will intent.
+atam mardes you must be a young, arrogant, uneducated,confused, angry,insecure morphodite,hermaphrodite or your an morphadite?
+nikki white I am a human being who is interested in the truth and not some delusional beliefs that make people happy and their arrogance to try to promote it as facts. Do you understand?
Unfortunately, I agree that this speaker has misinterpreted the golden rule. It is based on a Moral standard, not a touchy-feely perspective. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Someone commented that TED speakers are trying to reinvent the wheel. Nothing wrong with this wheel. If the speaker doesn't want to live by the GR, that's his prerogative, he needn't, however, try to dismember it in the process.
You read into it too detail and come across as nitpicking.
Golden rule is a simple base to build on, like be kind to others and they'll be kind to us too.
From there it's a communication, like a couple each may have different favorite snack and each would buy different snack for their partner.
and to find a compromise when each have their own preferred personal space radius.
Also, one of golden rule flaw is masochistic people should be kept away from it.
I think you have completely missed the point. It applies in your example too, if I want to be treated according to my individual needs, I expect others too to treat me according to my individual needs. Your platinum rule, doesn't make any sense.
This is a misunderstanding of the golden rule. Over generalization and contradiction.
Why does no one ever talk about the other golden rule? Whoever HAS the gold, MAKES the rules. Too cynical? Depressing? What?
Its true his interpretation of the golden rule is off. Problem might be he doesn't know it's a teaching of Jesus and has never read other teachings like the sermon on the mount. He stated his teacher taught him this in school when he was five. He's looking at this from an angle that doesn't fully understand the golden rule, because his understanding doesn't include an understanding of Jesus.
That isnt what it means by the golden rule brother. You are explaining a concept u dont even understand. Thats a spiritual law.i wouldn't wanna explain by txt. Just dig deeper.
I think you missed the point
The fullest & best Golden Rule that is even more unique:
"But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them...". Luke 6:27-31.
Those among us who do not hold faith in the afterlife are likely to find fault with a policy demanding appeasement to all those who would victimize others.
Well, that scripture he wrote out is basically telling you to take the lead in a loving way, instead of following someone else's lead in a negative way. That way you can influence them for the good, while keeping yourself calm. As opposed to validating their behavior by picking up their bad and negative attitude, which would be more stressful to you. Although there are also scriptures that say to not willingly associate with people that would bring you down.
Not trying to beat on this guy like everyone else is doing but I guess I was expecting something a little more insightful.
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Why is this a Ted talk? I got dumber watching this.
A Total misconception of the Golden Rule, PERIOD!
Are you okey dokey?
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The rule of gravity is like the golden rule and the rule of thumb.
This guy's nature is ethnocentric as his norm. And his examples confirm his inclinations. This speech isn't about any rule , it's nonsense.
From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs. ~ Karl Marx
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you just have to balance research, knowledge, acceptance, tolerance and understanding. In other words be an empath, tear down national borders and accept immigrants and mixing of cultures. keep the good traditional values, discard the bad. :)
This guy totally missed the point.
Wow, this is a Ted Talk?
Anyway, perhaps he's taking the Golden Rule a little too literally. I guess whatever gets you speaking engagements.
You intelligent but not wise u just don't get it
This guy doesnt understand the Golden Rule 😂😅😊
Because Jesus taught it and his Word is not void. :)
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