This was so much fun to listen to!! It's really fun to hear other people be passionate about a story/character you wrote yourself thank you so much for taking the time to do this! I absolutely loved it and this makes me excited and happy to share more!!
I love the way you presented all of this! The latter portion may be conjecture, but it doesn't feel like it falls outside the realm of possibility within the bounds of the world.
25:00 I think is the part where the mention of the child being Spiral eyes I feel like someone would've already mentioned this since I'm late or better yet you would've because I'm putting this here before I finish the video but what if someone tried to use Joel's (idk how to spell his name I forgot) soul to resurrect Damiya or something along the lines of that by giving her a new soul or awakening her
Finally someone understand when vtubers make lore so deep that you question the background of it how is connected to the vtuber and i love how jowol make his lore so mysteriously that he can make up story lore that is deep that your hooked in to it👑
Excellent presentation and summary! You present some interesting ideas without reaching to far I feel. Something I've been curious about are the slimes at the mansion. Because of the Summer outfit vid, we know they exist in the setting. He's mentioned before that he simply "Found them in thee woods around the mansion." And that, for reasons he doesn't seem to know, they fashioned those wooden doll bodies to mimic The Doll. Almost makes it sound like something he witnessed, something that happened recently. They clearly care for him, but why? Do they care for Joel, or Damiya? Yes they represent the chat, but is there more in terms of story? Another thing I don't think we've gotten a clear yes/no on is if he exists in the same setting as the world being built for the Monster girl facts. He's mentioned that's a modern setting as well.
I think the doll's spirit simply was looking for the child, or possibly, its "soul", in a reincarnated form. Joel, the child, and the missing person all share quite similar haircuts, and, while the Nun form is an alternative universe, Joel in that video have brown/yellow eyes, just like the child (though brown eyes are common), but that does mean that... from the scenes we've seen of Joel, if counting the "nun" video of Joel as canon, he shares the same haircolour, an unkept version of the same hairstyle, and the same eyecolour as the child.
Okay, you cooked here omg. I think vtuber lore is so underrated. I really enjoyed the way you explained everything so thoroughly and continued to include information that supports your theory. THE LAYERS I SWEAR. I cannot wait to see more lore released. I definitely will be back if you make an updated one later. Awesome vid!
Thank you so so much!! I did my best to be as thorough and support all the ideas I had so I really appreciate that you saw and pointed that out! QuQ When the new lore is revealed I absolutely will be making an update
Very interesting, this is the first video I seen dedicated to vtuber lore. As someone who is interested in different vtuber lores (including jowols) nice, I like how much thought you put into the theories👍
👀 I loved to listen to your theories! And esp been wondering about the lil siluetthe shaping up here and there too, or well, been wondering about alot like you confirm: One know so little to nothing! Great theory video, fun to hear your toughts about it c: !
Awesome video Anna! It really is fun getting to see the break down of the lore videos little tidbits. I think your theory has a lot of merit. I always thought the first missing person looked similar to the kid in the painting, but the time difference between modern and victorian means it couldn't be the same person. Definitely looking forward to future lore videos and subsequent theory ones.
I do have a very prominent question ever since I’ve seen the lore video. That question is where the mansion is located. In the video, although I’m not sure if it was acting or not but, Joel seems the be able to get ‘tired’ or rather some sort of pain after a stream. This leads me to ask for the location of the mansion. Is this mansion close to the big city? Is so how come no one has decided to trespass into the mansion. And if it were very secluded considering how we have satellite view on maps how is it no one has questioned the existence of this mansion?
Its def close enough that Joel somehow got BACK to his old apartment and carried his pc the whole way back. So its in walking distance of some kind I imagine.
22:00 another point in favour of your theory that the doll was rediscovered later is that the child was smiling in that photo. Smiling in photos didn't become common until the 1920s/1930s so even if the doll was made in the tail end of the victorian era the child would be too young to have known who the doll was replacing. loved the video and i look forward to what you have to say when jowol drops more lore videos.
One mystery that I’ve stumbled into today is about the etymology of the word “porcelain”. It comes from French “porcelaine”, in turn from Italian “porcellana”, referring to a particular kind of mollusc shell, with the ceramic being named by analogy because it looks similar. The mystery comes about from looking further back: how tf did a feminine diminuitive of Latin “porcus” (pig, also the origin of “pork”) come to mean mollusc shell??
The monster form could be Han based on the silhouette, Han could be linked to the main doll and could act like either a symbiotic defence mechanism if he isn't just a part of the Nun outfit.
a thing i'd like to add is i remember joel mentioning golems can sometimes just appear from an artist putting enough love into a creation. it could be possible the doll maker was an artist trying to grieve by crafting sculptures in the image of the departed. when one day one of these dolls began to move and act on it's own, and the dollmaker not fully understanding what was happening saw it as a second chance of sorts. not seeing the doll as it's own being may have pushed damiya to take on a more monstrous form in self defense.
DUDE! That was awesome! Holy shit. After watching this I share your theory that the ghost is the doll, and raise you the theory, based on your Joel could look like the doll maker, what if Joel is distantly related to either the doll maker or the lady the doll is based on? 🤔 or, kinda like a Kagome/Kikyo kinda thing, what if he's the reincarnation of one of them? same soul no memories of previous lives 👀
I think it is more about protect8ng the child than unfinished business. I think domnya was looking for the child that she protected long ago and found joel thinking he was the child and unable to protect him in that shadow form she took his soul and put it in the doll cause she knew it 2as the safest place and now she watches over him in the shadows
I'd like to point out, in the description of the lore video it is noted that the child's hair is supposed to be black, but is brown due to artist error
Apparently chat is supposed to have more like the character chat uses. now what I want to know how in the world of isekai did he become a doll who what where why and how and of course the chat thing
I have a few questions that you dont have to answer just on my mind. 1 maybe the mansion is protected by magic so thats why no one else but who Jowol has invited cant find the mansion. 2 what happened to his body cause he went back to his apartment so how did he not know what happened to his body. Ill probably edit as i think of some questions sorry 3 how does the mansion have power and internet, like Joel just brings back his pc and boop plugs it in. 4 how did Joel know how to get back to his apartment so easy? 5 how is Joel getting food like he talks a lot about chicken nuggies for chat. 6 kinda thinking on how he interacts with other streamers mainly when they come in and really start/end stream how do ubers find it, like he has said ill order you an uber or how was the uber ride. Like huh youre deep in the forest supposedly. Man, people's lore is so cool.
This was so much fun to listen to!! It's really fun to hear other people be passionate about a story/character you wrote yourself thank you so much for taking the time to do this! I absolutely loved it and this makes me excited and happy to share more!!
Give us the lore 😁
I love the way you presented all of this! The latter portion may be conjecture, but it doesn't feel like it falls outside the realm of possibility within the bounds of the world.
25:00 I think is the part where the mention of the child being Spiral eyes
I feel like someone would've already mentioned this since I'm late or better yet you would've because I'm putting this here before I finish the video but what if someone tried to use Joel's (idk how to spell his name I forgot) soul to resurrect Damiya or something along the lines of that by giving her a new soul or awakening her
Joel looks like the reincarnation of the kid from the past. The spiral eyes soul is the spirit of Damia.
Finally someone understand when vtubers make lore so deep that you question the background of it how is connected to the vtuber and i love how jowol make his lore so mysteriously that he can make up story lore that is deep that your hooked in to it👑
Excellent presentation and summary! You present some interesting ideas without reaching to far I feel.
Something I've been curious about are the slimes at the mansion. Because of the Summer outfit vid, we know they exist in the setting. He's mentioned before that he simply "Found them in thee woods around the mansion." And that, for reasons he doesn't seem to know, they fashioned those wooden doll bodies to mimic The Doll. Almost makes it sound like something he witnessed, something that happened recently.
They clearly care for him, but why? Do they care for Joel, or Damiya? Yes they represent the chat, but is there more in terms of story?
Another thing I don't think we've gotten a clear yes/no on is if he exists in the same setting as the world being built for the Monster girl facts. He's mentioned that's a modern setting as well.
I think the doll's spirit simply was looking for the child, or possibly, its "soul", in a reincarnated form. Joel, the child, and the missing person all share quite similar haircuts, and, while the Nun form is an alternative universe, Joel in that video have brown/yellow eyes, just like the child (though brown eyes are common), but that does mean that... from the scenes we've seen of Joel, if counting the "nun" video of Joel as canon, he shares the same haircolour, an unkept version of the same hairstyle, and the same eyecolour as the child.
I was thinking the same thing when she was talking about why Spiral Eyes was following Joel!
Two ways to kill a doll golem is by smashing its head or melting the entire thing
I got into the community a few months ago and oh wow, i didnt even notice those details in the lore video
Okay, you cooked here omg.
I think vtuber lore is so underrated. I really enjoyed the way you explained everything so thoroughly and continued to include information that supports your theory. THE LAYERS I SWEAR. I cannot wait to see more lore released. I definitely will be back if you make an updated one later. Awesome vid!
Thank you so so much!! I did my best to be as thorough and support all the ideas I had so I really appreciate that you saw and pointed that out! QuQ When the new lore is revealed I absolutely will be making an update
Very interesting, this is the first video I seen dedicated to vtuber lore. As someone who is interested in different vtuber lores (including jowols) nice, I like how much thought you put into the theories👍
I do think that Spiral Eyes is the soul of the doll because if you look at the dolls eyes they are eerily close to spiral eyes.
👀 I loved to listen to your theories! And esp been wondering about the lil siluetthe shaping up here and there too, or well, been wondering about alot like you confirm: One know so little to nothing!
Great theory video, fun to hear your toughts about it c: !
Awesome video Anna! It really is fun getting to see the break down of the lore videos little tidbits. I think your theory has a lot of merit. I always thought the first missing person looked similar to the kid in the painting, but the time difference between modern and victorian means it couldn't be the same person. Definitely looking forward to future lore videos and subsequent theory ones.
I do have a very prominent question ever since I’ve seen the lore video. That question is where the mansion is located. In the video, although I’m not sure if it was acting or not but, Joel seems the be able to get ‘tired’ or rather some sort of pain after a stream.
This leads me to ask for the location of the mansion. Is this mansion close to the big city? Is so how come no one has decided to trespass into the mansion. And if it were very secluded considering how we have satellite view on maps how is it no one has questioned the existence of this mansion?
Its def close enough that Joel somehow got BACK to his old apartment and carried his pc the whole way back. So its in walking distance of some kind I imagine.
22:00 another point in favour of your theory that the doll was rediscovered later is that the child was smiling in that photo. Smiling in photos didn't become common until the 1920s/1930s so even if the doll was made in the tail end of the victorian era the child would be too young to have known who the doll was replacing.
loved the video and i look forward to what you have to say when jowol drops more lore videos.
One mystery that I’ve stumbled into today is about the etymology of the word “porcelain”. It comes from French “porcelaine”, in turn from Italian “porcellana”, referring to a particular kind of mollusc shell, with the ceramic being named by analogy because it looks similar.
The mystery comes about from looking further back: how tf did a feminine diminuitive of Latin “porcus” (pig, also the origin of “pork”) come to mean mollusc shell??
The monster form could be Han based on the silhouette, Han could be linked to the main doll and could act like either a symbiotic defence mechanism if he isn't just a part of the Nun outfit.
What if the spirit with white eyes was in the doll first but replaced it's self with the soon to be porcelain maid, but it's just a thought
a thing i'd like to add is i remember joel mentioning golems can sometimes just appear from an artist putting enough love into a creation. it could be possible the doll maker was an artist trying to grieve by crafting sculptures in the image of the departed. when one day one of these dolls began to move and act on it's own, and the dollmaker not fully understanding what was happening saw it as a second chance of sorts. not seeing the doll as it's own being may have pushed damiya to take on a more monstrous form in self defense.
OOOOH thats a really good take on it!!
DUDE! That was awesome! Holy shit. After watching this I share your theory that the ghost is the doll, and raise you the theory, based on your Joel could look like the doll maker, what if Joel is distantly related to either the doll maker or the lady the doll is based on? 🤔 or, kinda like a Kagome/Kikyo kinda thing, what if he's the reincarnation of one of them? same soul no memories of previous lives 👀
Dann Anna! This was super interesting theory crafting. You have also a very nice voice. Good job!
Awww, Im happy you like my voice! Thank you very much!
I think it is more about protect8ng the child than unfinished business. I think domnya was looking for the child that she protected long ago and found joel thinking he was the child and unable to protect him in that shadow form she took his soul and put it in the doll cause she knew it 2as the safest place and now she watches over him in the shadows
I'd like to point out, in the description of the lore video it is noted that the child's hair is supposed to be black, but is brown due to artist error
13:46
Apparently chat is supposed to have more like the character chat uses. now what I want to know how in the world of isekai did he become a doll who what where why and how and of course the chat thing
I’d love to see more videos on vtuber lore 💗
I have a few questions that you dont have to answer just on my mind.
1 maybe the mansion is protected by magic so thats why no one else but who Jowol has invited cant find the mansion.
2 what happened to his body cause he went back to his apartment so how did he not know what happened to his body.
Ill probably edit as i think of some questions sorry
3 how does the mansion have power and internet, like Joel just brings back his pc and boop plugs it in.
4 how did Joel know how to get back to his apartment so easy?
5 how is Joel getting food like he talks a lot about chicken nuggies for chat.
6 kinda thinking on how he interacts with other streamers mainly when they come in and really start/end stream how do ubers find it, like he has said ill order you an uber or how was the uber ride. Like huh youre deep in the forest supposedly.
Man, people's lore is so cool.
I just realized how did no one catch Joel going back to his apartment he's a 6'1 doll huh
Hey do you think you can maybe do a Theory for someone like numi or sender?
Is the boy in the pic the person who went missing?