Hacker Tweets Explained
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- Let me explain to you what you can learn from these tweets. Did you know the name trick?
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Quote Tweet: / 1697869590569582932
Original Tweet: / 1696862832841916679
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XSS Origin Series: • The History of XSS
Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
00:37 - Tweets About Tricky XSS
01:24 - XSS Testbed Setup with php
03:45 - Exploring the XSS Context
05:24 - The window Object
06:46 - Tweet 1: Justin's XSS Explained
08:22 - Tweet 2: Mathias's Variant With Object
09:52 - Tweet 2: Mathias's Variant Creating Class
10:30 - The window.name Trick
12:00 - Closing Script Tag XSS
12:28 - Outro
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This episode could have been 13m37s in length, surely...!
oooof.... missed opportunity
@@LiveOverfloweeh leet, leat, same thing
It must be an AI.
There is no way the Real liveoverflow would have ever let this slip,
He cut it, he render it, he watch it
He uploads it.
Multiple occasions where an Actual human would have seen the magical number but not an AI..
For an AI it's just a number.
Therefore Liveroverflow has replaced himself with an AI
could, but wans't
@@lukasjetu9776 I think Leet + 9 seconds bonus is also cool. Nice video, now I'm hungry for more XSS.
Nice video explaining the issue. One thing that I think is good to mention is what is the underlying mistake. This makes it a better resource for devs and also for researchers. In my humble opinion this is due to the fact that the person implementing this tried to it's own filtering instead of using the native available functionality and/or standard package. The red flag beeing the specific list of characters used for filtering
PLEASE do more vids like these! I love the way you explained every bit.
Great video and explanation, professional, and gets to the point. I think one main takeaway one can get, that would especially help guys who may feel overwhelmed by these injections, is that the core problem here to be spotted while you are testing is the lack of the encoding / filtering of the double quotes, which allows you to escape the context of the string where the contents of the parameter is being injected. After that is just a matter of playing around to see what you are allowed to inject and find a way to run code, which is what these injections are all about.
This format is fun and useful, please do it again!
Great video! Really well explained and easy to understand. Would like more in this series to just explain a short exploit in a way that anyone can understand.
neat! these tricks go straight into my notes ! Nice video format too. I'd like to watch more of this kind
I like this as a reoccurring video. It is nice to be able to decipher what someone was referring to. Given everyone has different levels of knowledge, I would give it a 2 thumbs up. Keep ‘em coming!
This was super interesting and fun to learn about. Great lesson! Hope to see more of your content, keep up the great work
Cool format, please more of this :)
Wow thanks! It's so important for people to have a handle on this sort of thing so we can be aware of what we need to look out for when writing code.
I'm really into all kinds of quirks of js and I can't believe that knowledge finally paid off and I was able to fully follow a liveoverflow video 🎉
Yea its one of the more easy to follow videos for web soydevs like us :D
Super useful and interesting format. Thanks for sharing
great video. learned a lot. would love to see more like it 👍
It's such a weird filtering when you disallow ( ' and ` but allow " < and >
This is a really cool format. Had this recommended, never seen your channel. Ngl I thought it was gonna be clickbaity and surface level, but this was great! I subbed
Love this explanation. Would use this as a quick explanation for javascript injection methods in general
Very insight and presented in a way you can understand. I had no idea about XSS or an and now I do.
same
this was an open tab for so long. greatly explained !!
This is not really JS problems as some people seems to think. Carelessly treating user's input would always lead to big problems. In general when developing FE applications we rarely set any user provided values in any context that could be evaluated like this.
Concatenating user's input with code is just bad practice and big no-no.
In general, interesting information, but highly theoretical: so many characters are disallowed while double quote still being allowed. I feel IRL, if such case would be allowed, would be either no input cleaning or stricter rules.
Sadly most websites stubbornly develop their own ways of providing rich text display methods instead of using standards, which generally just tends to expose users to exploits... I know that all too well. Been working on the frontend for a while (please kill me)
I have seen a lot of old codebase concatenating user's input with code, it really isn't that bad as long as you know what you are doing. Also in those applications you just can't rewrite the majority of the codebase just to fix a newly discovered XSS.
Sorry I lied it was so damn bad that it has become a joke where the filter list just increases day by day. We slapped on a 5000$ IDS and IPS service and everyone pretends like everything is in control but deep inside we all know that the codebase is on fire. I know Robert had told me for a thousand time that concatenating user input with code is bad, but when deadline is chasing off my a** I just can't help but pray and do it anyway, I just want to go home.
Sorry Robert, I swear it will be the last time I do it.
Amen.
you are absolutely right. thats also almost always my first thought. but i have to throw that thought away for a moment because it gets more interessting if you think about all the existing websites who still could have flaws like this. and its also interesting just to see again how sh*tty and dirty compilcated and entangled javascript can be as a scripting language :D
it kind of is. javascript is dogshit and was made to do simple things when it was created but some clowns said "hold my beer" and other clowns took it seriously, then nodejs happened and embedded webshit posing as fully functional desktop applications known as electron came to be and it's at its worse. Thank God I don't ever was forced to dabble in this cesspool profesionally
Man, I almost never do websec, so this was fascinating. I learned a ton, your content is always top notch! Thanks for this ❤
awesome format! i learned so much
Loved this one! Please, keep them coming :)
very fun format! :) learnt a few tricks
I would love to see more of this new format.
super cool bug, and great explanation!
Super interesting video, liked this very much!
I love these videos. Insightful!
Super interesting. Thanks for the explanation.
Nice, we want more :)
Thanks mate, as always.
Amazing, more of these type of videos!
I really enjoyed this format
Loved it. Please continue.
I really liked the video and I hope to see more videos like this, they are very helpful
Not even a minute of reproduction and I can say "I love this series"
Love this format!
One of such video which I followed start to end!
as always Xcelent Xplanation....
yes, this was both fun and useful! thanks liveoverflow
Awesome content. Make more like this, please.
wow it's an awesome idea, I always took ton of researches to understand.
This is great, Insiteful as always @LiveOverflow, can this type of xss vulnerabilities be found in react applications as well ?
Yes
if it runs javascript, it runs
Good usage for the new Twitter logo 👏👏
This was awesome. Lots of love.
The longer I watched this the more upset I became at web development that 1. they're using direct string replace and 2. they didn't properly sanitize the input
but then I became legitimately impressed with the use of the javascript uri the hex encoding, and the use of objects
that was amazing, thanks for the video
That's a clean explanation!!!
Amazing, thank you for this!
I absolutely love this!!!!!! You literally read my mind but I didnt have the guts to ask.
That's crazy creative. I'd be interested in learning how this could be mitigated. Better input sanitation?
This video started my web hacking journey, Thank you!
you don't need to write , those tags are all optional and are inserted automatically
Amazing explanation ❤
Love this series👌
This was utterly amazing
Nice video series idea
About using the name variable, wouldn't that only work on your window? I can't see how the xss would do something nefarious on a targets browser.
You link them to your website, that redirects with the name "parameter"?
@@schwingedeshaehers thanks i was confused
9:00 Concatenation is executed first and the result is a string, which cannot be assigned to. It's essentially equivalent to writing 1 = 2
No, because you get a syntax error ;)
@@LiveOverflow I guess nothing gets "executed" because of the syntax error, but JavaScript does know in what order to execute this: first the concatenation, then the assignment. It just so happens that the expression makes no sense using that order
@@LiveOverflow My bad, I meant parsed, not executed.
What I was trying to say is that the reason the expression in the video results in a syntax error is that the addition is treated as the left side of the assignment and is not assignable, and that it is similar to the 1 = 2 case in that regard.
I looked it up in the ECMAScript documentation to try to be more precise this time and it seems that the reason it results in a syntax error is that the left side of the assignment is not a valid LeftHandSideExpression (13.3) or because of the second bullet in (13.15.1).
The fun thing is that I actually tested that with " true ? 0 : (1 = 2) " before writing the comment and it did fail with a syntax error instead of executing.
Great video, thanks!!
Thank you very much for this video
Incredible vidéo, thanks !
Most valuable piece of information I saw today
This will be a great series
A couple of questions:
When does the evaluation of the parameter takes place? Right after the function call and before any part of the function takes place?
Are there any possible mitigations for this kind of exploit? I mean if this code runs before anything else I don’t see any possibility of mitigations which is wild, but I might be missing something
i have no idea what i’m talking about (as in the context of the video cuz i haven’t watched it) but JS might use C calling conventions in some cases i think (?) and with those, usually the parameters are passed to the function BEFORE the function gets “called” (as in the CALL assembly instruction) but it really doesn’t matter what the function “is” because it can be overrided to not even use the parameters in the first place but get called by the same name, which might be a security risk if some people don’t know what they’re doing
@@joechristo2 well in the video it’s shown that parameters are evaluated pre call to the function which causes a security risk at a fundamental level since the parameter inserted may contain js code that will run before the call of the function
Maybe having input checks before each function calll can be a solution but still it seems clunky and weird
The assignment is evaluated before the function call. It has to because otherwise you couldn't use the return value of assignments in functions.
The mitigation for this is to not have it in the first place e.g. sanitizing the userinput before placing it in the dom
More of this please!
would also work in this example
brilliant breakdown
Does the name trick also work in stored xss when another user doesnt set his window name to the xss-payload?
the hex encoding trick is impressive too.
For the first solution, what about using square brackets to define an array instead of an object?
For the second solution, I believe the "new class b" part can be deleted if you replace the equals after toString with a colon.
Great video!
Agreed that the toString in object literal should work too.... maybe they're trying to be general as far as including the case that different characters are prohibited (for example the colon). I think your suggestion with the array gives a nice way of solving it if curly braces are prohibited too.
@@KirkWaiblinger this! if colon is available, might as well use the first example. If it isnt, but one of many whitespace/line terminator/multiline comment characters are, we can use the second example. [location=name] is a good point!
but in lua members of objects are referred to by square brackets as WELL as members of arrays because every variable is an object in lua and every variable is an object in JS
This mean TypeScript devs won't find this vuln, as they type the func to accept only N number of args, and TS will throw runtime error if they try to use N+K args, but in build time there code will create this vuln.
TS will not throw a runtime error if a function is called with extra arguments. At runtime it's just raw JS and anything goes.
@@KirkWaiblingertypescript is meant to PREVENT runtime errors from even happening
@@joechristo2 yeah but it can only type check intentionally authored code. TS will be no help at runtime against injected code, since that's all long after the type-checking time
In the 'name' case, is it really an XSS, when you need to open the window with the page in a special way?
It feels like it's a special case of DOM Clobbering, right? We are overwriting the names/definitions of defined variables/functions with our payloads so that they get executed when the page's code calls the overwritten function without knowing it.
it is very fun and useful.
This was awesome!
Как же круто ты объясняешь. Плохо знаю английский, но при этом всё понял
Please make more vids like this!
As a Rust programmer, it blows my mind how messy Javascript has become. When a programming language gets obsessed with "convenience", it becomes impossible to keep track of changes. I think browsers should switch to simply running a WebAssembly runtime directly instead of Javascript.
people are gonna lose track of the difference between asmjs and wasm, thinking they are the same thing thus doing damage to the web as a whole
this is great, thank you
This was insanely interesting!
Great stuff
The coolest part about this video was the intro.
Thank you
You should do this with John Carmack tweets!
Hm does it make sense to cancel out name on top of each page (or can it CSPed?)
great video, thank you
Thank you for the information
This is awesome 😊
awesome! Thank you!
fun and useful,
thanks!
Why would the input end up as ""..."" instead of "\"...\""? Why would the quotes not get automatically escaped by the input form?
Why would it get automatically escaped by the input form. Or the correct question would be, why would it not get automatically escapes by PHP?
Well. Because PHP doesn’t do that automatically. If you want that you need to program that
Good work 👍
nice vid!
could you upload a video about how to learn effektively?
This video should have been "The Secret Step-by-step Guide to hacking: Deep Dive" 😂
Great video tho.
Yes, this video was funny, it was useful, and now I find javascript even much more strange than it already was.
What will be the use case and what it is use for.
Sorry just want to know/learn more, for me it looks useless to set an alert for myself
You can set any javascript instead of alert, so you can do anything at the server.
@@jaideepshekhar4621 so If someone else accesses the same page he will get the same script which I injected
Would you be able to create an array, instead of an object?
Coole Sache Alter!
keep making these videos