US VS UK Healthcare Misconceptions || Americans in England
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- Опубліковано 9 лис 2021
- Matthew runs through a few healthcare misconceptions that are fairly common for both the US and the UK. List some misconceptions I missed in the comments below.
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Of course UK citizens realise that the NHS isn't free, and that people contribute to it through their income tax so it's deducted at source. Which of course means that it's 'free' at the point of delivery, and you'll never be presented with a bill for any treatment from seeing a GP to being in hospital. There are instances where you have to pay a nominal fee such as prescriptions (though there are occasions where a prescription may be free) or dental visits etc. However, if for whatever reason you don't pay income tax, either because you don't have a job and live on benefits or you do have a job but your income is lower than the level at which you start paying tax, you will still be treated by the NHS according to your needs and gravity of your condition.
@@chrisaskin6144 Also if you are retired or terminally ill, you don't have to pay for prescriptions also children or still receiving Education.
The money that is spent on health insurance in the US could pay for an NHS style health system, the problem is that people are making so much profit out of the US system and the lobbyists are very powerful and want to protect the cash flow.
Yeah it could pay for an NHS system. But we have a lot more than the NHS has. A lot more innovation, MRI machines, drugs researched and made, higher cancer survival rates, etc. So to keep the quality you’d have to pay more.
@@Olivia-bl8ez the us system is ranked 38th in the world, that's behind the NHS buddy.
@@Granolora according to who?
Yeah, the money spent on the military in America could be spent on healthcare.
@@Olivia-bl8ezactually the US spends as much on health care if not more than many other countries with universal type health care for citizens. And then the average US worker then pays on top of that.
Problem I have with the idea of American healthcare is that it is run by private insurance companies. That means their first priority - being a company - has to be toward maximising shareholder value, not the patients. And that means money gets siphoned out out the system and into the pockets of shareholders.
Which is why Americans pay ten times (or more) as much for prescriptions than we do in the UK. It's a Money making industry not a life saving one. No money or insurance? no treatment or debt that will cripple you for life.
I wonder if Doctors encourage people to stay in Hospitals longer than needed, to bump up the prices of staying there?
What do you think the first priority is for NHS doctors? Money or patients?
The NHS has saved me more than once and I never got a bill
You've already paid four times the cost via tax -- but enjoy
About 30 years ago my partner’s mother had diabetes on Christmas Day in Florida, she had travel insurance, the Hospital would not treat her until they could confirm they would get paid for their services, she was in a right state, it took them three hours to contact her insurance company in the UK, as far as they were concerned she could have died in the waiting room. Once they knew she was insured she got the treatment she needed.
There are even more tragedies hidden behind the professional silence of monopolised NHS
I always remember the first time I saw a TV commercial selling ‘prescription’ drugs. It just couldn’t register that such a thing could be.
And the side affects they mention are even more incredible... nausea, constipation, blurred vision or death. They mention death like it's just a slight consideration!!!
I have heard of people going to the doctor demanding the doctor prescribe a particular drug they have seen advertised on tv, not the drug the doctor thinks you need.
Actually the USA pays more per citizen than a number of countries, in health care? And it's not just to cover Medicare. Where does all that money go? You read about people not being able to afford their medication for diabetes. Inhalers costing 300 dollars in other countries a fraction of the cost. To the patient the prescription cost,at the moment in the UK, £9.35, if you have to take other prescription drugs every day, you can purchase a prepayment£ certificate for Three-months or 12 months at £30.25 and £108.10 respectively. The certificate cover all prescribed medication for the stated period. Children and Pensioners, prescriptions are free. They will even deliver to your home free.
I'll see your TV ad and raise you a billboard I saw in New York advertising a hospital based on their having the lowest mortality rate in the state. I kid you not.
The US leads the world in new developments of drugs and treatments. There is a high cost for that, and the world benefits. If we moved to a NHS type plan, innovation would stagnate. My daughter is a cancer researcher at MD Anderson, and people from all over the world are desperate to get care there.
What the UK and US governments and employers don't seem to appreciate is that treating illness quickly, improves productivity, increases tax-take and provides economic growth. Failiure of the health systems to keep up, leaves companies ineffeciently manned, degrades the work force, and leads to extra welfare costs in the long run.
One of the big advantages on the NHS is never having to think about costs or even form filling and the positive incentive for people to be as healthy as possible.
Plus of course it is totally independent of your job and there is no third person dictating what treatment is paid for and what isn't.
Some great advantages, to be sure.
I think the independence from your job is really important - particularly that your children's healthcare doesn't rely on your keeping the same job.
but it is hard to see a gp in uk..
@@nbvon9916 depends on what you want them for . Suspected bowl cancer next day appointment followed by a test , ultrasound, ct scan and camera up the bum 6 day. But gout video call photo of my foot and a diagnosis of it looks like gout take theses pills if it get better ring me back
@nbvon9916 not in all areas I'm lucky enough to have no problems getting an appointment with my GP.
As a brit who a few years ago was in florida when a family member was taken ill was taken to the ER and yes the first question asked was have you got insurance or a credit card ! Thats why we brits come to the conclusion that its can you pay first ! treatment only if the answer is yes (yes they had both insurance and a credit card)
at the (approx) 4.00 mark says about people told to die on the street to which he says "nearly completely unfounded" which implies it happens, so not a UK misconception. Waiting times are generally longer here in the UK because we are not afraid to go to check out a medical problem.
Matthew, you've been too quiet for too long. It's nice to have you back. Good luck with the upcoming birth.
As for the subject: Well, the NHS is our pride mand joy. It's not perfect or even close to perfect and yes, waiting times can be horrendous for your more common issues (hip replacement, hernias, gall bladders) and yes, you can wait up to 12 weeks to be seen for less urgent issues. But and it's a big BUT, you will be seen. I had an urgent case of gall stones and I was in for my operation less than 2 weeks after the dianosis and I had to have my gall bladder removed. The gall bladder had stuck to the liver as it expanded and my 40min key hole surgery turned into 4 hours of the surgeon trying to scrape the liver free of the gall bladder (i have a jar with 4 of the bigger stones - about the size of marbles). I was in overnight, saw the surgeon during the morning rounds, sent home and then spent 10 days recovering at home. Was this free? No. I pay roughly £400 pm to the National Insurance tax out of my wages. Does that upset me to pay so much NI tax? Not one little bit. Would i pay more? Well , i'm about to as the UK Govt has increased NI payments by 2.5%. Am I bothered ... part of me thinks yes but then i reflect on what the rise is for and i know i'm ok with it.
Anyway Matthew, time for you to make more vids, your sorely missed. Hugs to the family PS Edited for spelling mistakes!
I have been! We are currently figuring out plans for what to and how to post moving forward into the new year. I am thinking about doing some travel videos around the US (perhaps a different video for each state) and getting back to analysis and comparisons of our two countries.
Of course, nobody wants to pay more for something when they could pay less....but certain things are worth the rising costs. Surely the 2.5% raise doesn't even keep in line with inflation.
1.5 % I Think 🤔
If the NHS is our 'pride and joy' God help us.
I’d rather pay for private in the USA and not wait. I found out I needed an MRI and got one next day
I had two serious cancers treated in Canada. The first was 21 years ago, the second twelve years ago. So far, so good. Cost to me, $0. I do get to offset travelling to and from the hospital costs to my income tax. Universal healthcare looks good to me.
Incredulous that you have to pay for an AMBULANCE in the US !!!
$600 just for the ambulance to show up and take you to hospital!
@@MagentaOtterTravels Mind blowing ( and disturbing).
@@philipmason9537 Indeed! You don’t want to hesitate when you need to call an ambulance!
My father was a veteran who was charged over $1,000 for an ambulance to take him to a hospital across the street. His military health insurance wouldn't pay for it. He had sepsis & was in the hospital for almost two months.
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I disagree with you. People do and did die for lack of money in the USA. When I was 17 I worked at Methodist Hospital in Arcadia California as a summer job. By chance, I was walking past a room with the door open. I overheard a man say to his wife who had very bad cancer, “Honey, you have to come home. We have no more money.” It made me physically sick and , 60 years later, I can still remember vividly the tears in his voice. How can you let such things happen? You need another Nye Bevan, bless him.
Well said.
Another issue with the US system that leads to needless death is not being able to pay for medication. My 80yo mom who's on Medicare, needs to take blood thinners twice a day but can only afford to take them once per day. Medicare does not pay for everything. You can max out your allowance for prescription meds. And yes. I've offered to pay for the extra doses and she won't have it.
The biggest problem,for,not with,the NHS,right now,is the backlog,on the waiting list.This is because,normal clinics,and appointments,had to be postponed,because of the pandemic,which has gone on longer than hoped.
I've broke my arm twice and had it pinned got seen straight away, had my appendix taken out too..I payed £0.00 🤣👍😂 love you NHS
you pay taxes
@@ariabm44 And still it's way way cheaper than in the US.
@@ariabm44 I don't, I'm disabled. I still get healthcare given to me and I'm not billed for it.
@@MonstehDinosawr cause you are disabled as you said. The rest they do.
@@brozius yes agree cheaper but also you get cheap care. 100% NHS does not fund any expensive new medication you giys are gettong treated with srupid cost effectivenwss gyidlines. Am telling you you are gettong the minimum and i ve seen many people dying because of this as a doctor workong on the NHS. Care is way better in Europe. Not here anymore.
I think a major issue is that the US healthcare system has become a business rather than a government run system dedicated to its citizens. Hospitals are run as corporations, doctors and nurses and ambulance drivers bow to certain insurance companies, patients have no idea what they are going to be billed. Pharmaceutical companies can charge whatever they want. Yes you will be treated, no one will be left dying in the street, but you might be bankrupted.
don't call them ambulance drivers.
that negates what they're trained to do and it's more than driving a van.
An interesting fact. The average percentage of income taken by the government in income tax and social security in the UK 21%, which includes healthcare.
The same figure in the USA 22%, which does not include healthcare.
Some states that percentage will be lower in others higher due to state income tax.
However, it does go to show the American myth that you end up paying really high taxes for free health care.
In comparison of all taxes, the two counties that were closest to each other on the tables were the UK and the USA.
The only percentage higher in the UK is the contribution employers pay to social security. The USA its 6.2%. In the UK it's 13.8%
Figures taken from OECD 2022 comparison of taxes by country
I worked for the NHS one time an American tourist needed minor treatment in a&e he was surprised not to be charged
ALL foreigners will be charged for any treatment they receive from the UK taxpayers. The cost of the treatment is 150% the cost of nhs treatment.
Well, that was wrong. If the doctor was working privately then THE DOCTOR WOULD HAVE charged this American. Tourists are NOT allowed under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES to be treated without charges.
One of the ways the NHS is free idea gets around is that, for most of us, we never notice ourselves actually paying anything towards it. Anybody who's employed by someone else has their tax worked out and paid for them by their employer before they see their wages on a system called pay as you earn so we don't, as a rule get a tax bill. We never actually see the money that goes towards it. All we know is that we can go to a doctor or hospital and never need pay a penny ourselves for that.
That is true - American's tax system is a bit different. One way that plays out is when we pay items in the store as well - tax is always added separately. Tax feels different in the Us vs UK
And Americans pay more for their insurance than what you pay in tax. In a very simplified form the NHS is a huge insurance scheme where everyone is a member.
You do get a P60 every year informing you of how much you have paid in Income tax, in the previous year.
@@SchaeferFamilyAdventure Here in Canada our System is similar to that in the UK. We have GP Doctors, if You need a Specialist than Your Doctor will set up an appointment. If You go into the Hospital as an Emergency, You get treated right away. Yes we have some wait times( I've had to wait, for X-rays for a broken Left wrist, one year ago).There's people here in Canada, who'll NEVER GO BACK into the States because of the Cost to Keep THEM HEALTHY/ ALIVE.
Another advantage of NHS healthcare.
If I have to be admitted to hospital. I do not have to worry about the cost of getting there and whether the hospital is in my insurer's network.
The bit of history that strikes an ironic chord regarding how unfit for purpose a private healthcare system is, the fact that the scientist who is atributed with the discovery of blood typing, died because he bled-out. while being refused entry to the nearest hospital.
This happened in the US
He was black
The biggest problem about the healthcare system is the power that the pharmaceutical companies have over the government. One example. An asthmatic inhaler cost approximately $7 to manufacture. End user needs to spend almost $150 to buy. Someone more educated than me please tell me that this isn’t wrong.
Seemed very informative, balanced & considered.
The US pay 2 and half times more taxes into their healthcare than the UK and still there's no universal healthcare in the US from cradle to grave ..I can never understand you can go bankrupt in the US due to healthcare costs...this is not a misconception it's reality sadly having lived in California
So True, Medical Bankruptcy is a Reality for those that actually have Medical Insurance, as you know we buy medical insurance but it only covers a certain percentage, there are lots of costs we still have to pay.
What happens to your healthcare/health insurance when you retire in the US? The NHS is 'cradle to grave', your whole life is covered. In fact you are covered from before your birth. The cost is about 12% of your pay. How does that compare?
We pay into a program called Medicare our whole careers. Medicare is what we get when we retire for healthcare. However it doesn't cover everything and most people have to pay for a supplement insurance.
We pay 12.4% into social security (retirement) and about 2% towards Medicare .
It sucks and is a very broken system. I would say most of us won't go to the doctor or hospital unless we know something is seriously wrong. Even then it's a struggle to go because of the expense.
@@sabrinahernandez4920 Thanks for the info
@@sabrinahernandez4920 .
Surveys have shown that about 25% of US citizens put off seeking medical help, even for serious conditions.
Yikes
I would be interested to see difference in healthcare for someone my age 87, I have regular checkups with local hospital(geriatric unit) recently had 2 ops, for appendicitis and cataracts surgery. Returning from holiday in Portugal had severe bout food poisoning blood test and appointment with consultant all within week who then arranged colonoscopy. Am on 5 medications for usual illnesses ie. Hypertension, enlarged prostrate, and asthma for all above never cost nothing. How does this compare with other countries would be interested Regards
You are right the nhs is not free, its paid for via NIC national insurance contributions, but the nhs is free at the point of use.
Meaning you are not charged when you are being seen too. There are prescription charges for meds, paid for at a chemist/pharmacy but there are none at as pricy as the US.
I'd forrotten how much I enjoyed these.
I am British and have NEVER heard anyone say that in the US they will let you die on the street if you don't have health insurance. Ridiculous!
well I'm British and I have heard people say this in the different states I've visited in the USA. I've also dated two Americans who have told me this too.
It’s a complete lie. People from the UK believe anything. Absolute clowns, you lot.
Thanks for your video mate. I'm English, I agree there are some issues with the NHS, I just wondered what you think they are? The NHS has just been subject to so many changes over the years, especially the passing of the Health and Social Care Act 2012 which almost completely transformed the governance of it. I remember how much easier it was to access primary care before this happened, the difference is literally like night and day.
Especially the ability to see a GP. It's sad because my experiences of secondary care lately have been very good but it can be quite difficult to get a referral at times. If you ask me the Act above was like private healthcare via the backdoor.
The way services are commissioned is quite problematic, on the one hand you'd think greater 'competition' would lead to better services but I think the reality is it leads to cost cutting by whoever wins the contract, centralisation of services (particularly impacting rural areas), and an exodus of doctors (replaced by cheaper nurse practitioners)... Basically the CCGs begin to look like US HMOs in how they ration healthcare to maximise profits. The previous system was one of co-operation between providers, now they're so competitive they refuse to work with each other for the greater good. Plus you get wasteful duplication.
Mostly I understand NHS issues to be wait times, staffing, underfunding, efficiencies in the system etc. There are also some concerns regarding things like birthrates/cancer survivorship when compared to other European countries.
We've done a few other videos about the NHS which may be interesting (to be honest, we haven't gone into too much depth though, we just aren't well enough researched to be able to do that well).
My daughter is an Oncologist and cancer researcher at MD Anderson. She has patients from all over the world desperately trying to be treated there. We lead the world in research, it is very expensive ro develop treatments and prescription drugs. Also, in NO way would I ever share a room or bathroom with another patient.
I think the NHS is big on prevention of lllness or catching it early
Which is definitely what all evidence suggests is better for people and is cheaper overall
This is true, also we have free birth control, which I think should be free to the us, I've read how much it can be to buy, but also we don't have loads of abortions clincs & don't really talk about it much, coz most women are on it, but what I hear on bc in the us is u have alot of clinics, I tried talking to someone about prevention & all I got bk was, it's a womans choice, but if u prevent, u won't need as many clinics
Sorry but as someone who both works in & uses the NHS. I have to completely disagree with that. The NHS is regularly far too late on catching & dealing with illness. Which is precisely why the UK (for 20 years now) has the worst cancer survival rates in Europe (true fact). The major factor in surviving cancer is identifying & treating it asap. The greater the delay the lower the chances of survival. But compared to other European countries. NHS patients wait by far the longest to receive a cancer diagnosis and begin treatment.
After being referred for cancer by their GP. NHS patients then wait up to 8 weeks or more before they begin to receive any cancer treatment. Patients in other European countries receive cancer diagnoses & treatment much quicker than that. Which is why other European countries have much higher survival rates.
Furthermore, NHS Hospitals also have the highest patient admission and occupancy rates in Europe. Again because the NHS is the worst in Europe at preventing illness & providing the quick & early treatment that would prevent a hospital admission.
The main reason for all the above is because the NHS has the lowest funding and resourcing in Europe. It has the lowest doctor, nurse & equipment to patient ratios in all of Europe. The NHS has a catastrophic shortfall of about 45,000 Nurses and 50,000 Doctors. Within that Doctor shortfall. There's a shortfall of 7000 GPs. The GP to patient ratio is incredibly poor. With on average just 1 GP Practice Surgery for every 9,258 people.
This is why people really struggle to get an appointment with a GP. & why in reality the NHS is actually very bad at preventing illness, catching it early & preventing hospital admissions. There are simply nowhere near enough GP's to do so.
Sorry to be so negative. But it's the truth. The NHS is the worst in Europe for resourcing, waiting times & health care outcomes. & has by far the most overstretched and hardest working staff. However, despite this, the NHS is the best in Europe for efficiency. Mostly because such high efficiency is vital to it just barely coping with how massively underfunded and under-resourced it is. The high efficiency and strong staff work ethic. Are so far what's prevented the NHS's complete collapse. From how increasingly overstretched it's become over the last 20-30 years.
@andywilliams7323 You have literally taken every worse possible outcome and added it all together. I'd be surprised if you have ever worked for the NHS. At best, the hospital you work at is one of the worse ones. Stop lying.
@@SchaeferFamilyAdventure so why are obesity, diabetic, heart disease and mental health problems , increasing?
it's not socialized medicine it's nationalised medicine
Spot on! The only thing that was even new to me which I completely believe is that the US ends up spending more money on healthcare than the UK. Yes, I can say that I have heard many people would agree including myself that we rather have the NHS challenges than the US ones. Thanks for this video!
The biggest issue for me, under the American system is not being able to afford my 3K deductible. I pay $160 a month for health coverage but also have to satisfy the deductible before everything is paid 100% and 3K is just too high so I put off needed health care until it becomes a crisis. That's really the crux of the problem for lots of Americans.
Even when you health insurance prices are outrageous. The only people who don't complain about the health care in the US are usually the rich. If I didn't have children I would want to move to Canada or the UK.
It's similar in the UK - a lot of us can't get meds/treatment we need through the nhs but can't afford to go private. I wouldn't stay in the UK given the choice.
I used to work for Medical Billing. I spoke to a woman who moved back to the states from Canada and went on Medicare because she told me the care in Canada wasn't so great.
That cleared a lot for me understanding USA health care. I would imagine because of the system of States and where States have there own laws and taxes or so i believe it would be very difficult to set up a universal health system
Not Really, they have a system for OAP's, laws and taxes dont come into it, its all about Profits and Greed.
Hi
There are problems with the support the 'poor', everyone else pays system.
We (the UK) suffer with this, on education (student fees), there are other systems. Families not wanting to get a raise/promotion, because it will cost in lack of benefit, people not claiming benefits they should have (and need) and the cost of checking if a fee is needed. The admin costs are enormous.
In most systems the middle class (mid wage earning) are those most disadvantaged, UK & US, but I'm guessing most other systems.
Note, to die from lack of treatment, does not have to be as the result of an emergency.
The income tax in the UK for "national insurance" covers basicaly 3 things, the National Health Service, old age pension and various benefits such as being out of work.
That's the theory. In practice, all taxation (including National Insurance) goes into the general pot, out of which all the spending is taken.
The NHS iIS socialised care. Hey is this such a difficult concept?
Like most hospitals allover the world, the Triage system works. The USA seems to have trouble in organisation. If I had a second heart attack, my first was ten years ago, an ambulance would take me to the nearest hospital,the only details I would be asked for would be my name, and age. I live on my own. For any relative to get to the hospital, there would obviously be a time lapse, If like last time I had immediate surgery, angioplasty, I wouldn't be able to answer any questions, would I? When my niece, arrived, nearest relative, if there was anything else they wanted to know they would ask her.No problems Whilst I'm in a ward recovering (hopefully). I've seen videos of people being admitted to hospital, with non threatening conditions, having to fill forms out giving details of Credit cards Etc. Even before being seen by a nurse or doctor. Priorities seem a bit askew.
The NHS has its problems obviously. The pandemic caused a lot of elective surgeries to be put on hold causing a huge backlog of people needing elective surgery like hip and kneee replacements etc. But overall the NHS is a godsend and we Brits are very lucky to have it imho.
Yes, I think that most British people would pay more in their National Insurance payment if the money went straight to the NHS. However, I also think that if the bosses of the NHS saw all that extra money available to them, they would immediately institute another two layers of management or unnecessary departments (performing clowns or making baskets out of nail clippings anybody?). Very little of the money would go towards sourcing additional nurses or re-opening long closed wards.
This needs to be verified
@@SandfordSmytheOf course it does. It's just my opinion. However, if each of the working population of the UK paid just £1 per week extra, that could raise well over £1.5bn a year.
So in the US, you'll get seen if you show up to a hospital with life threatening injuries, but thats it? So if you go there with a broken leg, and you don't have insurance, then they'll refuse to help?
In the UK, you'd still get treated
Was funny when you said that everyone would be treated in the usa if you turned up at an emergency room, so far so good, but you can sort the money out later 😮
I don't think many Brits ( who are sensible ) really believe people are dying on the streets because they don't have insurance. That is a misconception of our thinking.
Not a nice situation to be in though to have to worry about your income v insurance and being able to afford health insurance because you could possibly earn more money in a better job.
Maybe. I think it is a more common belief than you might think. I regularly heard people say things about The US system that were crazy (like hospitals would turn you away if you had a life threatening injury, or that if you didn't pay enough money you wouldn't be able to hold your baby after birth).
Definitely agree that the money/insurance/income situation is odd at best, and nearly impossible to navigate at it's worst.
@@SchaeferFamilyAdventure Views like that of the US healthcare system are typical of people who believe everything they are told, without bothering to validate the information.
Just like lemmings.
@Schaefer Family I have never heard of anybody thinking that people in the US are left to die on the street because they don't have insurance, but I have heard Americans say that staying in hospital is extremely stressful because they are worried their insurance will not pay for some of the treatments they receive. Being in hospital is stressful enough without the worry that their insurance will not cover some or all of their treatments and at worst they may face bankrupcy.
Please don't call your son Randy if he wants to visit the UK!
Great to hear from you again.
I think it's what we see on TV, if u don't have insurance, u have to go to some grotty dirty hospital that u wouldn't take ur pet to, but since watching Chicago med they take all customers if life threatening
It's certainly a new one on me! Never heard of that anywhere and I certainly wouldn't believe it anyway.
The only thing I don't like about the UK system is that you don't get private rooms. It's wards or something like that.
When I was in the hospital in the UK they did have some curtain things so it wasn't completely exposed or anything. Not sure if that is the case everywhere though, and I was in A&E so I'm not sure where I would've been if I was there for longer. Definitely sucks to not have as much privacy but I think it might be a space thing? Plus in general hospitals are less rich so the money they have has to be spent on medical necessity rather than privacy. My friend who was there as a child when she had pneumonia said she had her own room and even got games and stuff, but then again she was contagious and in the children's unit so I'm not sure. Plus the hospital I'm talking about is a pretty good one, so maybe it's not as good in the others.
Every british citizen pays in to healthcare,this helps others get treatment at any age,in other word we pay for each other its a brilliant system,you dont see it as it comes out of your wages......a very small amount monthly.
Re Medicaid. Don't some States have a requirement that you have to be working to get it? And doesn't the coverage depend on the state with some states not having taken up part of the AFA that expanded it?
In some states If you are able, you better be working.The abled-body are not entitled The federal vs state authority is a major problem.
Re names:. Congratulations! Hopefully you will choose a good old Anglo-Saxon name and not a new trendy one. The 'old' names are coming back into favour now. I like Alfred after King Alfred the Great, Edgar, Harold and of course Winston.
As a UK citizen I have looked into both systems and even reading Obama's book where he says he would have loved to implement a NHS style system but he knew the effect on GDP would have been too damaging. The problem in the US is the effect on the economy but slowly introducing legislation to prevent drug companies, hospitals, doctors, ambulances from over charging (as they do) would reduce the cost and allow US citizens to get the right treatment without bankrupting them. At the moment people do die in the US because they can't afford the correct treatment when insurance doesn't cover the cost, personally I would hate to be in a US style system especially given the UK's NHS can buy in bulk and has the power to say to drug companies they won't pay more than X amount for drugs and because it's free unnecessary procedures are rarely preformed.
I don’t see a problem Americans have there system and they are welcome to it ,and we in the UK have our system which I personally think it’s great it’s saved my life twice
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Schaefer and family I recommend you check out on youtube Cyn's corner reaction to Sterwart Lee braveheart .I think you might find it of some interest .
Are you saying the same people with no healthcare insurance gets the the same care as the other?
Hiya. LOL. You're NEVER gonna tell us about that house, are you? LOL. Stay safe. All the best to you.
Oh man, that house. It's been a handful, to say the least. It's actually on the market now! Well post an update soon...probably!!! 😂
The one where the porch tried to decapitate Matthew.
I want to know about the house as well!
@@SchaeferFamilyAdventure your loyal fans want an update! Sorry to hear that it hasn't lived up to your expectations... you certainly gave it a go!
The expression in the Uk is 'the NHS is free at the point of care' not 'it's free'.
Americans I've spoken to online seem to think we believe it's the later.
Latter you mean.
Brits constantly claim it’s “free”; we know that you pay a great deal for that third world garbage.
It’s like American defence, coastguards, police, fire brigade are not all “free”.
Well done young man . A fair and balanced point of view .
We in the U.K. pay for the N.H.S. through our taxes and National Insurance from our wages.
From various posts I have see regarding the U.S. health system and the U.K. health system.
For instance, U.S. Childbirth = $10,000 plus….U.K. Childbirth = £0,000. The average total taxable costs in the U.K. amount to 24% of your wage which covers EVERYTHING including the U.K. NHS system
It does work well for childbirth, but it fails badly for chronic illness. There are many meds that you simply cannot get because the nhs deems them too expensive.
You actually believe that childbirth is $10k?
God, Brits are incredibly gullible.
The NHS is third world garbage. Stop trying to force that junk on us.
Interesting
The US may pay more for each person but that money is swallowed by the inflated charges by medics and hospitals.
The problem with the NHS.
Foreigners keep using it without paying.
If you are not British or have not paid into the system for 10 years, you shouldn't be using the NHS.
uk government regulates how much can be charged for most medications, MRIs, xrays which are a fraction of the cost of anything the US charge in hospitals and from pharma. Basically the US government need to regulate how much this stuff is allowed to cost .
Socialism is a bad word in the USA and nowhere else. The reason is that people in the US believe that socialism is another word for communism, and it isn't. This comes from USSR being Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. However the Nazi party in Germany was originally set up to combat a spread in communism. The Nazi party was the National Socialist Party. So 2 opposite philosophies used Socialist in their name. This clearly shows it is not communism under another name. Socialism was invented by a Welsh politician named Nye Bevin. Socialism is a safety net of policies that provide for people when they cannot work or look after themselves. The US has a number of socialist policies such as Social Security, Workmen's Comp and various others. I have heard people say "But I earned that" and they did by being a US citizen.
How does the US system provide for people with chronic conditions? The NHS bulk buys biologics so I get Taltz for free. In the US, I would need to earn $70,000 to cover the co-pay, let alone dermatologist consultations. Another myth is that the UK "throws granny under the bus". Really? my mum had extensive surgery despite other health issues.
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Glad you would pick the NHS. I lived 17 years of my life in the UK I’m British by berth and I would not trade the hospital and Drs here in the US. Most of the good Drs in the UK emigrated as soon as they have done their time in UK hospitals. And a lot of the surgeons train here in the US.
Most of the good doctors do not emigrate to the US. Data from the UK General Medical Council workforce report shows that an average of around 2.1% of doctors leave the UK medical workforce annually to go overseas. And that figure includes all overseas countries. Surgical training in the UK under the auspices and regulation of The Royal College of Surgeons is of a very high standard. And yes, some UK surgeons will spend periods working in other countries to widen their expertise and similarly a lot of doctors from around the world spend time receiving some of their work experience and training in the UK.
Do you have the figures to back up the claim most of the ‘good’ Uk doctors emigrate?
@@fluffyjojo4570 No, he doesn't, because there isn't any. I have provided some actual data in my comment above.
You could adopt the NHS ... but you'd have to crush your entire health care industry first. And I think that would have some very powerful resistance. Obama didnt try to produce the NHS ; he tried to force private to provide healthcare. to make an NHS you'd have to roll out an entire government run system.
I guess if you really wanted to move to it , then you'd get a small state first.. and ask UK to setup and provide NHS with US funding in that state to take over from US medical... then eventually you'd hand it over to US-NHS and then you'd roll it out state by state.
We do t want the failed NHS. Stop trying to push that third world junk on us.
The astounding thingbis that the American citizen can pay up to 900% more for the exact same medicine, and its made in America...
In the UK, calling out an Ambulance for Hospital care is FREE.
In the US it costs about $2,000 for example??
$2000 and more depending on state.
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Plus of course having care like blood tests/blood pressure tests, broken toe - heart.lungs.kidney replacement and orther surgeries, plus women having babies etc., is also free, so on discharge, not hefty bill to look forward too. Our NHS may not be perfect, but the peace of mind when being discharged helps the healing process
We pay the taxes for NHS because it provides free healthcare to everyone! And for those that can not pay the taxes. This is why we love it. You can now visit our country knowing if your sick or hurt while here. Don’t worry. We got you
Most are true, you are obviously well paid, what about the people who aren`t. And in a survey of 15 nations USA came bottom. People walking round with wrist bands saying don't call ambulance, I could go on.
But in USA you can get massively in debt for getting treated, that’s where the problem lies, too much greed in the system in USA. I know people living there who can’t pay there share for medication so go without.
Average household debt is far higher in the UK, and if the Uk were a state in the US, it would be the poorest in the nation.
I'm in the UK and I know plenty of people who go without meds because our nhs won't fund them. I myself pay privately for some things. The nhs is a waste of time.
The NHS is handy but not run very well. I went for a biopsy to check for cancer about four months ago. Still waiting for the results. The UK Government will spend 8 million quid a day on housing illegal immigrants but not fund the NH S properly.
Medicaid unfortunately doesn't cover adults unless the woman is pregnant.
Medicaid definitely can apply to adults who aren't pregnant. To be honest, I don't know enough about it to say it for sure happens everywhere, but I know that in several states we have lived in that it does (not for us personally, but for others I have known).
Based on what I know about medicaid and different states, it definitely might not be true in all states.
@@SchaeferFamilyAdventure This is true can be different in different states... So complicated lol
I just know from my parents and my experience where we have lived.
Many rules have benn changed recently why expanded Medicaid as well. 🤷♂️
A lot of Americans claim to be Christians. Why doesn't the health care system follow the teachings of the church?
I'm an atheist but believe everyone should care about other people regardless of their social standing.
The US seems to be solely concerned about money.
I'm a Brit in the US.
The NHS is complete sheet
"Free" coffee refits aren't free either- people who only want one coffee pay extra so other people can have extras. And as far as "socialist" systems go (defined as people pay for through taxes but have no direct input into how it is spent for the benefit of the country), by far the largest in the World is the US military.
What about Robbie, or Angelina
I have never believed that the poor people die because they are refused treatment. Drs wouldn’t refuse to treat someone it would go against their Hippocratic oath. It is problematic for the lower middle class.
People in Scotland are lucky to have free healthcare
I had never needed the NHS except for childbirth. Then in 2011, I had necrotic gallbladder which caused serious complications when it ruptured. Shout to Furness General Hospital and all the wonderful staff there. A month in hospital and life saving surgery, then last November I slipped and broke my ankle in 4 places, dislocated my foot and had no blood flow to my foot. They saved me from having to have an amputation operated on my leg. All I have to show for it is two gert scars, two metal plates and an abundance of screws. That not taking into account a full knee replacement which I had to wait for three months to get,quick I know. NHS a British treasure 😊
The real differences come with the number of individual overheads which absorb the US single $ spent on healthcare. How many insurance companies costs and profits absorb the $ versus the National Health Insurance taken directly out of the UK wages and salaries.
Having lived in the US for 12 years all I can say about the US health system is, it's a joke. Paying insurance. Co pay, Deductibles. People going without because they cannot afford it.
Thanks, you've got it right, Brits have no clue what a minefield it is here, the rules and regulations would blow their minds, there is nothing simple about the American Medical system.
The NHS IS socialised medicine. That is why it works! Same thing for the US military.Everyone pays for it
The NHS is third world garbage. It is worthless junk. Worthless junk doesn’t work.
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It can work and has worked, they deliberately underfunded and sabotaged it , because anything that is public owned isn't necessarily aimed towards profit buta not necessarily being wasteful
That's why private want to take over,
Don't hate on me..but us citizens are happy for their taxes to go to military but not to healthcare
No hate, but I think it's a generalization, and I'm not sure it's really true (or at least not as true as it used to be).
Actually most taxes in the US are spend on medicare/medicaid, it's about 25% of US taxes.
It's the " almost always", that bothers me!
Yeah, the UK healthcare system sucks. I have family over there and they have been screwed so many times. Also, if anyone tells you it's free, that's a lie. There is no such thing as free healthcare. You pay almost 40% in taxes if you make over 50K in the United Kingdom.
Yet less than 20% of that goes to the NHS.
You already pay 20%+ tax in the US…then have to pay for healthcare on top.
The average person in the UK pays £130 per month towards the NHS & higher earners pay 300/400 - Both of these are still cheaper than most private insurance plans.
My cover also pays for every Child, Pensioner, Vulnerable person & Veteran in the country as well as myself.
The US literally has people dying of conditions like diabetes because they can’t afford insulin.
Great video. As a Brit I find it annoying when the only alternative to the NHS is presented as this bogeyman US system where they won't put you in an ambulance if you don't have a credit card. Most other developed countries have excellent insurance-based healthcare systems which have better outcomes than the NHS (Spain, South Korea, Israel etc) but which serve poor people effectively. The NHS is totally unsustainable because demand isn't controlled by price it will always suck more and more money out of the general taxation pool to the detriment of other areas such as education. Reform won't happen though because anyone suggesting an insurance based system is shouted down.
Isn't it interesting. In the US you have people unreasonably suggesting that nationalised health care is communism so lets not have any: meantime in the UK any talk of private involvement in health care is met with great outrage and accusations that non- government health care means a US style system.
Great point. Those Americans who say NHS is akin to communism, never seem to have issues with the US military, police, national parks, IRS, coastguard being in public ownership
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Record numbers of UK people are going private according to polls. They feel that they can not rely on the NHS for getting critical health care when they need it because a record number of patients are dying while waiting for treatment. Discuss.
Errmmm ... There is no private cover in the UK for anything critical 😂
Its used to queue jump for chronic ongoing stuff
Discussed 😊
@@MsDmcclymont that's the point!! You suffer in agony and hope that you get seen by a nurse in an overcrowded emergency department. Or, pay thru the nose and get a private opinion and pay thru the nose and pay for an emergency operation or wait and hope the social system will do it within the next year
The 'spending more' argument is false; like spending more on food in the USA than in a third country. The fact is it costs more in the USA than it is in the third country, thereby you will have to spend more on a service. It is true if the cost is comparable and the country puts in more investment into the service, per head.
Our health care is better were not scared to go to doctors or hospital
British health care depends on US innovation
American Health insurance is far better than the UK health insurance
We don’t need health insurance, we have the NHS! As a 68 year old Brit I have had my tonsils removed, gall bladder removed, 2 children in hospital, both knees replaced, umbilical hernia repair, numerous ultrasound scans and X-rays and I once chopped my thumb off and had it reattached…… total payment - ZERO! God Bless the NHS!
2 major ops in 20 years in the NHS...cost me £0.00p. No waiting lists no queues nothing...
Id love to know where you live.
I think the main answer is waiting for McConnel to hurry up and retire or pass away with his filibusters, guys a complete dinosaur ...Thankfully they are coming to an end and Mitch McConnell will be thankfully gone with his nonsense
UK news latest. Man , aged 87, waits 15 hours for an ambulance as his family says the system is broken . Discuss.
Nope, average life expectancy in the UK is nowhere near 87. The NHS is failed, third world garbage.
My local hospital a&e has a 12 hour wait, you're better off not going. A friend has stage 3 heart failure and has been treated appallingly by the nhs, she has opted to go private because of it. I cannot get the meds I need on the nhs and buy them privately from abroad. The system broke years ago.
Your local hospital trust is shit. That’s my reaction. People seem to think because their local healthcare is bad that it’s bad across the UK. Each area has its own Hospital Trust, some are better than others. Also, instead of waiting for an ambulance why couldn’t you organise your own transport, you shouldn’t have to but why would you wait 15 hours?
@cloverite true. I just assumed that an ambulance is for emergencies and are supposed to arrive very quickly in order to save a life. Guess there's no need to call an ambulance if anyone has a car.
Brits are confused between health care and health insurance.
The UK health service is on life support. It can't last. These people will have to start to PAY using credit cards.😂😂😂
The hypocrisy is breathtaking -- on the one hand Brits say the US doesn't care but then the questioner says the US spends more
Butthurt much derek, thank f*** youre over there