Thanks for the comparison! I liked a the '37 a bit more. Tone just seemed to have more depth and richer...certainly a warmer sounding guitar too, which is right up my alley!
I own a 2008 D28 Marquis. Love the neck on this guitar and 1.75 nut with 2 5/16 at the saddle. The Adirondack top can take a pounding yet it is great for finger picking with the wider string spacing. I've never played the '37 but both guitars sound wonderful here. I sure love mine and the neck sets the Marquis apart. I'll pass it on to my guitar playing son.
I have a D-28 Marquis and thought I was happy till I herd this. I just like what I am hearing from that 37 authentic. I have to play one and check out that neck. Nice video Bryan UPDATE: I have gone out and played at least 20 Authentic's from Aged to non aged and experts and the one common sound quality I have found is that they sound muffled / wet / muted. I have posted my findings before and it seems to ruffle some folks feathers. I will say they are very light in weight, and the aged version with the rolled neck ( fret board edge) feels wonderful.
This is a close one, in my opinion. The Marquis is brighter and would cut through the mix well in a crowded club. The Authentic is warmer and would be great for a singer/player. Perhaps the Marquis' neck is the game changer?
If I was gonna use a pickup or stand behind a mic, I'd 100% go for the neck I liked. Otherwise, the A was the _slightly_ better sounding guitar IMHO. I'd really like to see a Marquis with Mad RW back/sides!
The Authentic sounds just a touch warmer v. the bite of the Marquis. The Authentic get's my vote but not by much and for the price difference, the Marquis would be hard to pass on.
Awesome video and great comparison between the two models, best I've seen! I was fortunate enough to find a LEFTY Martin D28 Marquis (2012) for $3500 on eBay that I couldn't pass up. Has the adi top, EIR back/sides (no mad rw sadly), I got the last year of the fossilized ivory appointments. Do you have any tips for what to check for in these guitars as far as ensuring they're all in good shape? Is there an ideal tension/string gauge to keep them at? I read the Authentics are supposed to be 13 gauge (I use 12s but am okay with adjusting) Super excited to see this guitar it'll be the best box I've ever owned by a large margin with my 000-15m streetmaster either hitting the road or accompanying the rosewood/spruce with mahogany
The difference in tension between 12's and 13's is about 15%. Any Martin D is going to be just fine with either one. Another gauge to consider and one that I personally like a lot is the "true medium" set D'Addario EJ24, GHS TM335, Elixir HD (with a .056 low e), etc. The single most important thing you can do is keep them at the correct humidity "most" of the time. Get a _hygrometer_ and adjust humidity from there.
Through My 27" Mac Speakers and $6k digital Hearing aids....these may be two of the most similar sounding Dreads You have ever compared ?.... either would have a place of Honor here @ Desperadoville ! (Nice Pickin too)
I don’t know that I can say one is absolutely better. Would have to play it myself. Some ranges sound better on one and others on the other. Since I own the Marquis I would like the two to be equal! Tgere may well be an edge to the Authentic, but it certainly isn’t there for all ranges and for the money I’m grinning. I would still like to try that Authentic, though! When I pick up my Marquis I’m not noticing it needing something it doesn’t have (other than Waverlies)!
A number of comments favor the Authentic 1937 and I agree with most of those reasons: tone, projection. I thought I observed the Marquis being a little easier to play (truss rods help a lot along with neck shape).
The Authentic has a truss rod- it's a non-adjustable rod, but relief on this one is right around .004" so that's not an issue. The neck shape definitely makes a difference, though.
Oh wow, I did not know that. The advantage of being a Luthier and knowing your trade very well. Thank you very much for shedding light on my unwitting ignorance. I enjoy your videos a lot and find they go a long way toward shedding light on some meaningful differences between instruments. You do a very good job of explaining and demonstrating those differences. Again, thank you very much, Bryan.
I will also say that I noticed that my guitar sounds deeper than this Marquis, but mine is about 15 years old and has been played quite a bit. I tried to add this to my previous post but can’t seem to find an edit function.
II've decided to get a Custom D-28 Marquis with 1-3/4", 2-3/16", Adirondack Top and ADi Bracing GE forward shifted , Indian Rosewood. ( instead of Madagascan ) It will have a Modified V instead of the performing artist neck. I notice you like the Modified V, so I went with the Modified V ( thankyou ) What is difference in feel of these two necks ? I think the Indian RW will be as good as the Madagasgan, just different, the top and bracing is exactly the same as the other guitar, so should pump out the bottom end sound nicely. I'll get the HD-28v custom repaired in due course, better to have a descent guitar that works than to be stressing out on repair timelines and logistics. Oh well just thought i'd tell you the good news. If I could afford it I might of gone with a 37 A, man that sounds harmonically rich and big. cheers
Pretty sure thta Marquis is the same neck as my D mahogany 09. Such a great neck. Another reason I think the D mahogany is the best Martin Hog besides the authentic
After watching several of your videos I decided to swap my HD 28 for the D28 1937 authentic. If it was good for you it would be great for me I thought. No regrets. I even wonder whether mine sounds better! More boomier and more clarity than the HD28. Thanks to you. If you were in the UK I would have brought it down to see what you thought about it!
Great video--I like the authentic better but the Marquis is great. Question--I have a 2013 OM 28 marquis. It sat in the case till last December so basically new then. Been playing it hard for 10 months. How long does it take for an Adirondack top to open up??? Thanks
Hey, Bryan- Are the tone bars on the D-28 Marquis closer together than on the 37 Authentic? Looking inside my Marquis they seem really close together, and this is not a bassy guitar. Thanks.
So would I. However, that's not really the point. The point is more like "If I only have $3k to spend, how good is the Marquis compared to the Authentic?"
Kevin Fahy Fortunately, I was able to spend more than 3k when I walked into a local shop and three nice Martin Golden Era instruments were there... I took home a great Limited Edition 2005 D-28 GE. I just wonder how it would compare to the ‘37 D-28 Authentic?
Like how? Playing or talking? I moved from Texas to Hawaii to Kentucky when I was 6-14 and it really messed with my accent. Playing wise... I honestly haven't listened to Joe except on Eagles stuff so, if so, well, cool.
About the 37 Authentic's neck.. What is the prevailing opinion here? I am considering buying a guitar with an Authentic 1937 Barrel & Heel neck, and there are no guitars in my area where I can try one out. I'm afraid it might be too big/thick. I am used to playing my 1974 D-35. Thoughts and opinions would be appreciated. (Please forgive me for hijacking the thread, that was not my intention.)
I don't think there IS a prevailing opinion. They're strange necks and if you can deal with them, they're great guitars. I could've dealt with mine but I have other guitars I like better- the Proulx OM/D was made FOR ME, after all- and so when I downsized, I cut all my Martin D's loose, including the A's.
"Better" is a matter of opinion. The A is supposed to be a recreation of a specific guitar. Now why they chose THAT guitar... I don't know. I've played '36-'38's that had wonderful necks.
The Madagascar rosewood of the 1937 gives a bit brighter happier ringing sound, Marquis E.I. rosewood a bit fatter and round very balanced not as bright.
@@Bryankimsey I don't think they made one did they? Maybe a custom order. How about the D-28 GE. I had a opportunity back around 2002 to buy one for 4K. Thought it was an enormous amt for a guitar. Now there listing those used GE's for 12K.
Horrible? Looks great. What's horrible is the stock ones. Including the delmar. I'm actually about to put a dark tor-tis custom made guy in my Martin D mahogany 09. They're gorgeous. Now I will say his is a bit light for me, but it's still better than that stock crap. Martins deserve better
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And now I know why that 37 is the standard by which all others are measured and now I want one. Great video Bryan, thanks for making them.
That would be a tough call between those two. Both great guitars. I give the edge to the Authentic. A little brighter and more defined.
Thanks for the comparison! I liked a the '37 a bit more. Tone just seemed to have more depth and richer...certainly a warmer sounding guitar too, which is right up my alley!
Yeah, but that neck. :)
I own a 37 D28A, sure glad I bought it 14 months ago. It took a few months of hard playing to open it up, but now it sounds terrific!
Thank you for making these videos man they are awesome.
I own a 2008 D28 Marquis. Love the neck on this guitar and 1.75 nut with 2 5/16 at the saddle. The Adirondack top can take a pounding yet it is great for finger picking with the wider string spacing. I've never played the '37 but both guitars sound wonderful here. I sure love mine and the neck sets the Marquis apart. I'll pass it on to my guitar playing son.
Both sound really good but I give the edge to the authentic with a more "focused" sound to me.
Both sound great,marquis tone suits me a little more,great video.
That's a dam good example of a Marquis btw. Sounds amazing
I have a D-28 Marquis and thought I was happy till I herd this. I just like what I am hearing from that 37 authentic. I have to play one and check out that neck. Nice video Bryan
UPDATE: I have gone out and played at least 20 Authentic's from Aged to non aged and experts and the one common sound quality I have found is that they sound muffled / wet / muted. I have posted my findings before and it seems to ruffle some folks feathers. I will say they are very light in weight, and the aged version with the rolled neck ( fret board edge) feels wonderful.
Nice one! I still have my 2005 D28 Marquis sunburst. You put stainless steel frets on it back in 2007 or 2008. Really great guitar.
This is a close one, in my opinion. The Marquis is brighter and would cut through the mix well in a crowded club. The Authentic is warmer and would be great for a singer/player.
Perhaps the Marquis' neck is the game changer?
If I was gonna use a pickup or stand behind a mic, I'd 100% go for the neck I liked. Otherwise, the A was the _slightly_ better sounding guitar IMHO. I'd really like to see a Marquis with Mad RW back/sides!
The Authentic seems to sound more into the lower mids and listen to those overtones man !
I love both of them anyways ! This is Martin !
Both wonderful guitars but I prefer the Authentic. Sounds richer and not so metal-y .
The Authentic sounds just a touch warmer v. the bite of the Marquis. The Authentic get's my vote but not by much and for the price difference, the Marquis would be hard to pass on.
There are Madagascar Marquis out there, too. I'd love to check out one of those!
That 37 is killer
Amazing lower harmonic content for the authentic and smooth top end.....less aggressive than the new model.
Tough call.... wow I believe it's official I'm getting a second full time job to buy (If I can find 37-39) lefthanded D 28
Awesome video and great comparison between the two models, best I've seen!
I was fortunate enough to find a LEFTY Martin D28 Marquis (2012) for $3500 on eBay that I couldn't pass up. Has the adi top, EIR back/sides (no mad rw sadly), I got the last year of the fossilized ivory appointments. Do you have any tips for what to check for in these guitars as far as ensuring they're all in good shape? Is there an ideal tension/string gauge to keep them at? I read the Authentics are supposed to be 13 gauge (I use 12s but am okay with adjusting)
Super excited to see this guitar it'll be the best box I've ever owned by a large margin with my 000-15m streetmaster either hitting the road or accompanying the rosewood/spruce with mahogany
The difference in tension between 12's and 13's is about 15%. Any Martin D is going to be just fine with either one. Another gauge to consider and one that I personally like a lot is the "true medium" set D'Addario EJ24, GHS TM335, Elixir HD (with a .056 low e), etc.
The single most important thing you can do is keep them at the correct humidity "most" of the time. Get a _hygrometer_ and adjust humidity from there.
Both great but I think the Marquis would make a better lead instrument.
The '37 wins - sounds like a piano!
Through My 27" Mac Speakers and $6k digital Hearing aids....these may be two of the most similar sounding Dreads You have ever compared ?.... either would have a place of Honor here @ Desperadoville ! (Nice Pickin too)
I don’t know that I can say one is absolutely better. Would have to play it myself. Some ranges sound better on one and others on the other. Since I own the Marquis I would like the two to be equal! Tgere may well be an edge to the Authentic, but it certainly isn’t there for all ranges and for the money I’m grinning. I would still like to try that Authentic, though! When I pick up my Marquis I’m not noticing it needing something it doesn’t have (other than Waverlies)!
Authentic got so much more in it
A number of comments favor the Authentic 1937 and I agree with most of those reasons: tone, projection. I thought I observed the Marquis being a little easier to play (truss rods help a lot along with neck shape).
The Authentic has a truss rod- it's a non-adjustable rod, but relief on this one is right around .004" so that's not an issue. The neck shape definitely makes a difference, though.
Oh wow, I did not know that. The advantage of being a Luthier and knowing your trade very well. Thank you very much for shedding light on my unwitting ignorance. I enjoy your videos a lot and find they go a long way toward shedding light on some meaningful differences between instruments. You do a very good job of explaining and demonstrating those differences. Again, thank you very much, Bryan.
Not enough tone difference for me to give up my marquis neck and string spacing. Both nice guitars
Know another great thing about MQ's? Sunburst!!!! This guitar was just outstanding:
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the 37 wins in my book...
I will also say that I noticed that my guitar sounds deeper than this Marquis, but mine is about 15 years old and has been played quite a bit. I tried to add this to my previous post but can’t seem to find an edit function.
Marquis sounds simple in comparison....almost muffled or nasally
II've decided to get a Custom D-28 Marquis with 1-3/4", 2-3/16", Adirondack Top and ADi Bracing GE forward shifted , Indian Rosewood. ( instead of Madagascan ) It will have a Modified V instead of the performing artist neck. I notice you like the Modified V, so I went with the Modified V ( thankyou ) What is difference in feel of these two necks ? I think the Indian RW will be as good as the Madagasgan, just different, the top and bracing is exactly the same as the other guitar, so should pump out the bottom end sound nicely. I'll get the HD-28v custom repaired in due course, better to have a descent guitar that works than to be stressing out on repair timelines and logistics. Oh well just thought i'd tell you the good news. If I could afford it I might of gone with a 37 A, man that sounds harmonically rich and big. cheers
‘37 for me. Both good though.
I have the d18ge, d28marquis, and a bunch of authentics 41s and 37s, the authentics are better but cost more so it depends on your budget.
Pretty sure thta Marquis is the same neck as my D mahogany 09. Such a great neck. Another reason I think the D mahogany is the best Martin Hog besides the authentic
It's close but just a little different. The 09 is great
Think I like the Marquis better, but darn close.
What strings did you put on each please? Great job with the work, inspiring.
Bulk Martin PB medium
@@Bryankimsey Thanks. The strings sound great, not at all thick/muffly sounding as some 13's can, guess I should give them a try.
After watching several of your videos I decided to swap my HD 28 for the D28 1937 authentic. If it was good for you it would be great for me I thought. No regrets. I even wonder whether mine sounds better! More boomier and more clarity than the HD28. Thanks to you. If you were in the UK I would have brought it down to see what you thought about it!
37 sounds better but for the money D28 M.
Although I may just get a part time second job and but a new HD 28
Great video--I like the authentic better but the Marquis is great. Question--I have a 2013 OM 28 marquis. It sat in the case till last December so basically new then. Been playing it hard for 10 months. How long does it take for an Adirondack top to open up??? Thanks
I think you notice its much better after about a year especially if played aggressively and then gets better year after year.
Hey, Bryan- Are the tone bars on the D-28 Marquis closer together than on the 37 Authentic? Looking inside my Marquis they seem really close together, and this is not a bassy guitar. Thanks.
Good question. I don't know. Next time I get one in here I'll compare it to the A and see. I don't know why they would be closer, though.
I think a lot of the difference here is the wood. I’d love to hear a Marquis Madagascar vs the ‘37 A.
So would I. However, that's not really the point. The point is more like "If I only have $3k to spend, how good is the Marquis compared to the Authentic?"
Kevin Fahy Fortunately, I was able to spend more than 3k when I walked into a local shop and three nice Martin Golden Era instruments were there... I took home a great Limited Edition 2005 D-28 GE. I just wonder how it would compare to the ‘37 D-28 Authentic?
You sound eerily similar to Joe Walsh every so often, and I mean that as a compliment. Has anyone said that before? Love your videos btw.
Like how? Playing or talking? I moved from Texas to Hawaii to Kentucky when I was 6-14 and it really messed with my accent. Playing wise... I honestly haven't listened to Joe except on Eagles stuff so, if so, well, cool.
@@Bryankimsey I hear Joe Walsh as well...it`s your voice...I can hear you singin` "Walk Away" from the James Gang 1971.
37 is a good guitar..i gotta. Find one.
About the 37 Authentic's neck.. What is the prevailing opinion here? I am considering buying a guitar with an Authentic 1937 Barrel & Heel neck, and there are no guitars in my area where I can try one out. I'm afraid it might be too big/thick. I am used to playing my 1974 D-35. Thoughts and opinions would be appreciated. (Please forgive me for hijacking the thread, that was not my intention.)
I don't think there IS a prevailing opinion. They're strange necks and if you can deal with them, they're great guitars. I could've dealt with mine but I have other guitars I like better- the Proulx OM/D was made FOR ME, after all- and so when I downsized, I cut all my Martin D's loose, including the A's.
Both excellent boxes. I own a Marquis Sunburst but the Authentic is more bass heavy to my ear. Wanna do the bridge on my Marquis Bryan?
We'll get there.
Hi Brian. Are the marquis versions a fuller V neck by the nut compared to an authentic?
Yes. They're very smooth and even taper.
@@Bryankimsey thanks Brian. Very odd they make a better neck on the less expensive guitar.
"Better" is a matter of opinion. The A is supposed to be a recreation of a specific guitar. Now why they chose THAT guitar... I don't know. I've played '36-'38's that had wonderful necks.
@@Bryankimsey good point. It's a good neck. I do prefer the big V even taper however.
WHEN YOU SHAVED THE BRACES DO YOU MEAN LOWER BOUT? SOUNDS AMAZING!!!
Search my channel for "back braces".
@@Bryankimsey GREAT HELP AND VIDEO.............THANKS SO MUCH
Which would you choose choose, sitka topped HD28 LSV or marquis Madagascar?
MQ Mad-RW. I love MadRW and I like the MQ neck better.
Is this the same as the D-28 GE's made in the early 2000's except for brazilian???
Pretty much, yes.
Authentic for me
The Madagascar rosewood of the 1937 gives a bit brighter happier ringing sound, Marquis E.I. rosewood a bit fatter and round very balanced not as bright.
I'd like to play a Madagascar Marquis
@@Bryankimsey I don't think they made one did they? Maybe a custom order. How about the D-28 GE. I had a opportunity back around 2002 to buy one for 4K. Thought it was an enormous amt for a guitar. Now there listing those used GE's for 12K.
Marquis sounds brighter to me here. Authentic sounds warmer and definitely has more bass
Too bad you didn't describe the 37's neck in comparison to Marquis.
I know!!! I should go back and edit in a few comments to that regards!!!
It seems to me that you play the D-18's better.
...the D-28 Marquis is a super-great guitar,...however, someone has trashed this one by putting that horrible pick guard on !
It's just a pickguard- replace it if you don't like it... oh, wait.. it's not your guitar... Customer picked it, not me.
Horrible? Looks great. What's horrible is the stock ones. Including the delmar. I'm actually about to put a dark tor-tis custom made guy in my Martin D mahogany 09. They're gorgeous. Now I will say his is a bit light for me, but it's still better than that stock crap. Martins deserve better
I like the one put on, and about to fix one on mine. Didn't Clarence White have summit similar?