The amount of people that will take it to the grave that monks "have way too much" or if ww gets 'this' then their spec needs 'that' is truly mind-blowing. Thank you for acknowledging it seriously 😮💨
I mean it kinda goes with any class that gets overtizzed. Remember how outraged everyone was when Rets got their 10.0.7 rework? And all the ret mains were delusional and huffing the cope all like "Lol our class is fine ur just bad let us rets enjoy things you guys never want us to be good." or whatever. No one targets one specific class/spec with this mindset you brought up. We will always say the same thing about any class that is absolutely out of control. Perhaps it's just people wanting more OVERALL class balancing, yknow? We're okay with classes being good, just not fkin tizztically broken that the class gets carried by high skillfloor to where a sperm cell could get free glad on it. Like the days of Cata or MoP. Of course at the time people still complained, but NOW with retail being so tizzed and out of balance, a lot of us would give anything to go back to that kind of balancing because we all know it will never be like that again on retail and back in those days it was arguably the most balanced pvp ever was in WoW. Thank the Force for Classic.
Man Retail balance is actually pretty damn good, not sure what your smoking. Balance has been quite great besides a few outliers the past couple expansions. Every class is viable in some way! Sure the ret rework was op af, and they let it run for awhile, and DHs... But besides those two outliers balance has been amazing! @@plague6174
@occheatsoft honestly though, burst is kind of bad in comparison with consistent dmg. Burst goes get ruined more often than not with stuns, ports, or defensives. yeah ww monk burst is great and it's fun, but i feel it's an easy outplay.
Ret pally only has 1 stun. They've got HoJ and blind. Both on long CDs. That's it. Monk has ROP, sweep, para, disarm, song of chiji.. AND a mortal strike effect. Give ret a mortal strike.
And then give Windwalker the offheals a Ret has? Fair trade. You just cant compare these 2 specs in anyway. Windwalker has a hit and run playstyle like Sub Rogue while Ret wants to stay in the fight 24/7 like an Arms Warrior. Comparing these 2 specs doesnt make any sense, since they both play very different from each other.
Hoj is reduced by spending holy power realistically it’s a 30sec CD 6sec stun so half the cooldown nearly double the duration…pally doesn’t just have blind they have rep which is half the cd of paralysis and twice the duration pallia have massive team utility a free trinket for their healer every 45sec, way better off heals, a wall for the team mates via sac bubble for 8sec of just flat out immunity and bop 8sec physical immunity for anyone and spell warding which is 8sec spell immunity and ww can’t take song of chi without gutting their build…you should learn other classes before making comparisons
@everythingtankpit and sweep can be reduced to a 50 sec CD with an increased range and can hit more than 1 target. If you think WW monk has no utility then I dunno what to tell you. Ven specifically was talking about CCs and micro CCs. Monk has more than Pala by far. Repent also has a cast time and a CD. Those are definitely things you wanna be doing in melee 🙄
@prainiak5710 yeah if WW doesn't want to fight someone, they don't have to. They can attack burn CDs then run and heal to full. WW doesn't run out of the ability to heal themselves where a paladin does. WoG costs mana, flash of Light costs mana. You spend energy to heal yourself.. and once again you can completely disengage from a fight and continue to not fight if you chose to do that.
Ret paladin also has a 20 yard range and has insane aoe on all abilities and a complete immunity, a full insta hp restore, and a ranged stun where you can stun the healer from far away while still blowing up your target. Windwalker is really hard to stay on your target cause it's got the least range and weird gap closers.
it's not right that they started introducing toss mechanics as a microcontroller outside of Diminishing. They just need to come up with controlling abilities tied to some skills, situations, random triggers with stunning up to 1.5 seconds of action or reducing haste. Which would not be included in the Diminishing category and would not harm the main major skills. For example, for the Fury Warrior style in PVP, in order to increase its skill cap and give its own utility, you can give a cd buff that allows you to accidentally inflict a small additional damage and a short stun of 0.5 seconds during attacks. It is important that there is no vicious stacking, these micro-control effects should be due to chance or situation, or such abilities that are not convenient to combine in a burst cc. There is such a problem as the shaman's Sundering, an almost useless micro-control that imposes a diminishing with the category of Paralysis. Why not make the effect of reducing the movement and speed (-90%) and haste (-50%), which would smoothly decrease in a few seconds.
@@davidgarcia-rv3fs theres so much that isnt needed :/ no double stun FINALLY have 1, maybe useful micro cc that we can use but even then its apart of our damage rotation, 4-7 movment abilities that are just INSANEEEEEE wheres the other way to do damage? old tiger eye brew, fist stun (or another stun somehow) BUT like he said not the best, BUT not the worst I just wish I saw some good changes that dosent have to deal with movment and more about our toolkit or how we do damage there is so much cluster
@@warlordie6841 Seems people forget WW Monks are a hit and run playstyle cause blizzard doesn't know how to properly stat check WW monk. There's a reason why a lot of us label ww monk as the glass canon class.
equal that to their infinite teleports lol I watched bajheera's recently video dam mage kept blinking all over the arena and bajheera having to run just to get to the mage cause all his mobility abilities were on cd it was funny lol
Ww monk is one of the most broken specs, if not the most broken spec in the beta for pvp. They destroy literally everything. Their dmg is fucking stupid broken.
Welcome to WW. It's always that way at the beginning. We also do not scale as well as other classes so we'll feel good for a week, get nerfed, and spend the rest of the expansion behind everyone outside of the burst window if we're lucky. For some reason WW scaling is too hard for them to figure out.
Yeah you had some weird takes in this video. Having this insane amount of mobility as monk should Come with some disadvantages, in this case one less stun. Imagine if they had this crazy toolkit and a second stun on top. Not every class needs to have everything, ruins the thing of class identity
Shadowpan is terrible.. it's so out of sync .. the tracking feels terrible.. the worst hero talent tree right now.. And ww monk feels so bad to play in general.. outside of procs we starve hard on energy.. U just stand there and wait.. feels terrible.. pls reduce energy cost of tigerpalm.. or increase the reg..
Oh by the way, you can get full stacks of emperor's capacitor by spamming crane kick in the starting room and the stacks stay once the gates open. Also images seem to be not doing full damage with it. So for now cast it without them
Ven just outright disregarding pally. One stun and blinding light. The fuck is pally micro cc. I play monk, and agree it's gotta minimal micro cc. But it does have a spamable root, great mobility, and Para on a reasonably short CD
Sub rogue is garbage on the beta. His words were complete bullshit. WW monks are the most broken on the beta. I literally one shot everything and nothing kills me. Unholy dks are broken but not as broken as ww monk. If you are losing to unholy dks as ww, then you suck. Unholy dks can't survival ww monk burst if you are playing right now. Ww monks will get their nerfs for sure.
AoE Crackling Jade Lightning looks cool! You can use Glyph of Crackling Crane Lightning to make it red for even more Sith vibes.
The amount of people that will take it to the grave that monks "have way too much" or if ww gets 'this' then their spec needs 'that' is truly mind-blowing. Thank you for acknowledging it seriously 😮💨
I mean it kinda goes with any class that gets overtizzed. Remember how outraged everyone was when Rets got their 10.0.7 rework? And all the ret mains were delusional and huffing the cope all like "Lol our class is fine ur just bad let us rets enjoy things you guys never want us to be good." or whatever.
No one targets one specific class/spec with this mindset you brought up. We will always say the same thing about any class that is absolutely out of control. Perhaps it's just people wanting more OVERALL class balancing, yknow? We're okay with classes being good, just not fkin tizztically broken that the class gets carried by high skillfloor to where a sperm cell could get free glad on it. Like the days of Cata or MoP. Of course at the time people still complained, but NOW with retail being so tizzed and out of balance, a lot of us would give anything to go back to that kind of balancing because we all know it will never be like that again on retail and back in those days it was arguably the most balanced pvp ever was in WoW.
Thank the Force for Classic.
so you think the game needs even more micro cc ?
Man Retail balance is actually pretty damn good, not sure what your smoking. Balance has been quite great besides a few outliers the past couple expansions. Every class is viable in some way! Sure the ret rework was op af, and they let it run for awhile, and DHs... But besides those two outliers balance has been amazing! @@plague6174
@occheatsoft honestly though, burst is kind of bad in comparison with consistent dmg. Burst goes get ruined more often than not with stuns, ports, or defensives. yeah ww monk burst is great and it's fun, but i feel it's an easy outplay.
Can you test Enhancement next and see how bad it will be in pvp for another 5 years ty
Ret pally only has 1 stun. They've got HoJ and blind. Both on long CDs. That's it. Monk has ROP, sweep, para, disarm, song of chiji.. AND a mortal strike effect. Give ret a mortal strike.
And then give Windwalker the offheals a Ret has? Fair trade. You just cant compare these 2 specs in anyway. Windwalker has a hit and run playstyle like Sub Rogue while Ret wants to stay in the fight 24/7 like an Arms Warrior. Comparing these 2 specs doesnt make any sense, since they both play very different from each other.
Hoj is reduced by spending holy power realistically it’s a 30sec CD 6sec stun so half the cooldown nearly double the duration…pally doesn’t just have blind they have rep which is half the cd of paralysis and twice the duration pallia have massive team utility a free trinket for their healer every 45sec, way better off heals, a wall for the team mates via sac bubble for 8sec of just flat out immunity and bop 8sec physical immunity for anyone and spell warding which is 8sec spell immunity and ww can’t take song of chi without gutting their build…you should learn other classes before making comparisons
@everythingtankpit and sweep can be reduced to a 50 sec CD with an increased range and can hit more than 1 target. If you think WW monk has no utility then I dunno what to tell you.
Ven specifically was talking about CCs and micro CCs. Monk has more than Pala by far.
Repent also has a cast time and a CD. Those are definitely things you wanna be doing in melee 🙄
@prainiak5710 yeah if WW doesn't want to fight someone, they don't have to. They can attack burn CDs then run and heal to full. WW doesn't run out of the ability to heal themselves where a paladin does. WoG costs mana, flash of Light costs mana. You spend energy to heal yourself.. and once again you can completely disengage from a fight and continue to not fight if you chose to do that.
Ret paladin also has a 20 yard range and has insane aoe on all abilities and a complete immunity, a full insta hp restore, and a ranged stun where you can stun the healer from far away while still blowing up your target. Windwalker is really hard to stay on your target cause it's got the least range and weird gap closers.
I haven’t played monk since mop
That elite set.
I want that elite set. I will learn monk for that set bro
Walking dead where the dk grips everybody in to a leg sweep in to the massive AOE CJL /hmmmmmm
it's not right that they started introducing toss mechanics as a microcontroller outside of Diminishing. They just need to come up with controlling abilities tied to some skills, situations, random triggers with stunning up to 1.5 seconds of action or reducing haste. Which would not be included in the Diminishing category and would not harm the main major skills.
For example, for the Fury Warrior style in PVP, in order to increase its skill cap and give its own utility, you can give a cd buff that allows you to accidentally inflict a small additional damage and a short stun of 0.5 seconds during attacks.
It is important that there is no vicious stacking, these micro-control effects should be due to chance or situation, or such abilities that are not convenient to combine in a burst cc.
There is such a problem as the shaman's Sundering, an almost useless micro-control that imposes a diminishing with the category of Paralysis. Why not make the effect of reducing the movement and speed (-90%) and haste (-50%), which would smoothly decrease in a few seconds.
Can you punch them up than put a ring under? :D
yo, that might be brutal.
That music....that face....jesus....what was the video about??
Test shaman next.
monks dont have any micro CC, i gues we dont count ring of piss, disarm, incap, leg sweep
Disarm, incap and legsweep aint micro cc tho.
give the crackle to MW pls we NEED DAMAGE
there is no way u actualy like how ww is currently, ven comon, there aint no way
what is so bad about it ? lol looks the same as now
@@davidgarcia-rv3fs theres so much that isnt needed :/ no double stun FINALLY have 1, maybe useful micro cc that we can use but even then its apart of our damage rotation, 4-7 movment abilities that are just INSANEEEEEE wheres the other way to do damage? old tiger eye brew, fist stun (or another stun somehow) BUT like he said not the best, BUT not the worst I just wish I saw some good changes that dosent have to deal with movment and more about our toolkit or how we do damage there is so much cluster
@@warlordie6841DH is just a better monk 😂
@@warlordie6841 Seems people forget WW Monks are a hit and run playstyle cause blizzard doesn't know how to properly stat check WW monk. There's a reason why a lot of us label ww monk as the glass canon class.
Warriors got fear. 2 stuns.....monk got paralysys, ring of peace to knock back, stun and now this dragon punch thing.....
but god for bid mages get a stun back lmao
equal that to their infinite teleports lol I watched bajheera's recently video dam mage kept blinking all over the arena and bajheera having to run just to get to the mage cause all his mobility abilities were on cd it was funny lol
still, ww will be 2 min andy
Idk it seems like war within is just a Dragonflight major patch .
I get it, we all have L takes sometimes.
Monks have ROP, which is the best ability in the game hands down
Ww monk is one of the most broken specs, if not the most broken spec in the beta for pvp. They destroy literally everything. Their dmg is fucking stupid broken.
Welcome to WW. It's always that way at the beginning. We also do not scale as well as other classes so we'll feel good for a week, get nerfed, and spend the rest of the expansion behind everyone outside of the burst window if we're lucky. For some reason WW scaling is too hard for them to figure out.
@@icaanulbruh ww monk is broken every patch what nerfs are you talking about ??
They literally butchered the soec ko expel harm or skyreach
Yeah you had some weird takes in this video. Having this insane amount of mobility as monk should Come with some disadvantages, in this case one less stun. Imagine if they had this crazy toolkit and a second stun on top. Not every class needs to have everything, ruins the thing of class identity
Cylone needs to be on cd 100%
this piano jazz is not it for wow pvp lol
Na its ight
Don’t get me wrong it’s cool to have that but 100% would rather just have another stun. Ww needs another stun.
Was hoping that WDP knock up was like twice as high as that
That would be close to flying and Ion hates that idea.
Shadowpan is terrible.. it's so out of sync .. the tracking feels terrible.. the worst hero talent tree right now..
And ww monk feels so bad to play in general.. outside of procs we starve hard on energy.. U just stand there and wait.. feels terrible.. pls reduce energy cost of tigerpalm.. or increase the reg..
please link talents. big head covering them :(
Thanks for the monk content! Love ww
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There shouldn't be any micro cc, the best comps now are just the largest variety of cc not sharing a DR
Honedtly they nerfed monk mobility overall since u cant have many mobility talents at the same time
Yo guys how I can test the new talents, it says that talents will be unlocked at 71, but idk how to level up
wish you add the twitch comments on the side of the screen like most other youtubers do.
enhance has hex and cap totem and both are avoidable. cry ww
I think the stacks take too long to build to be viable in M+
your Storm earth and fire also dup the buffed crackling
for how long it takes to get the full stack that needs to be buffed for sure that would be fun to see
have u ever played as Priest?
disc zero real cc
you need to lvl up to 80 on beta ? or it's any way to go instant 80 ?
I see that In Flames shirt, I upd00t. 🤘
Summon my AI Zoo to win the game for me.
Warrior they removed the slow
Who is critical strike 30% target?
Oh by the way, you can get full stacks of emperor's capacitor by spamming crane kick in the starting room and the stacks stay once the gates open. Also images seem to be not doing full damage with it. So for now cast it without them
Monk is sick as hell, maining it for sure
Thanks bro
What swords are those in that mog?
How do you see the chi above the enemy HP bar. Does anyone know?
It’s an option you can enable, maybe under combat…
@@saboteursweden Thank you.
"Monks literally have no CC" oof.
monks are now sith lords. neat.
Ven just outright disregarding pally. One stun and blinding light. The fuck is pally micro cc.
I play monk, and agree it's gotta minimal micro cc. But it does have a spamable root, great mobility, and Para on a reasonably short CD
Spammable root?
@@neslind1 Disable. Has no cool down and roots the target if you press it a second time
Bruh can you ever not mention sub rogue. If they were op, you would’ve been able to reach elite on it 🤷🏽♂️
hes 2700 on rogue
Sub rogue is garbage on the beta. His words were complete bullshit. WW monks are the most broken on the beta. I literally one shot everything and nothing kills me. Unholy dks are broken but not as broken as ww monk. If you are losing to unholy dks as ww, then you suck. Unholy dks can't survival ww monk burst if you are playing right now. Ww monks will get their nerfs for sure.
He‘s always hated sub rog for some reason and never misses a chance to express that they‘re op, kinda annoying especially when it makes no sense
Sub rogue has been historically the most OP class in PvP in every single expansion, not a single patch where rogue was not S tier
@@projectasura1801 yeah, okay bud. I want what you’re smoking because I’m pretty depressed living in reality.