I have zero use for a cargo bike but I love them and get very excited about them, because of the potential they have to replace cars for young families and business transport. They're so good!
@@josebustamante4276 I wouldn't even have the space to store one when not in use, so probably for the best haha. Still I can't help but drool whenever I see one.
Installing a front and rear rack on your regular hybrid bike is a budget friendly option if you want to haul smaller cargo or children and can be used as a touring touring bike as well.
I said I don't have any use for one too. Then I decided to try one for a weekend. The next week I had one and oh boy, I look for any excuse to get on it and find so many. Rides with dog, girlfriend, kids, shopping, hardware store runs, riding to the mtb trails. Even just riding empty these have a lot of character.
I plan to invest in a cargo bike for my sustainable landscaping business. I work with native plants in a very hilly part of the city and having a cargo ebike seems like the perfect fit philosophically and would probably even be an excellent point marketing wise. Very-eyecatching to have your green landscaper show up on a bike.
I work for a company in Bk that does distribution, I’m slowly bringing up cargo bikes everyone thinks it’s insane for now, but I see Amazon doing it in Manhattan and think we can too for that area would would relieve a lot of pressure. Cities are def transforming and cargo bikes are a part of that future. In 20 years time I think we will be asked a lot about this time “like you really did that?!”
Benno Boost owner here of 4 years, and I still love it. It has allowed our small family of 3 to get rid of our second car! I needed a mid tail cargo bike to haul a child, but also fit through 3 doors, and be carried up a flight of stairs. I still love front loaders, especially the Riese and Muller Load. But as an apartment dweller, the Benno has just fit so perfectly. And it’s easily grown with my daughter, as we’ve removed the Yepp seat and added the Benno accessories.
Absolutely love our Tern HSD. Great little bike when you have a kid and only small storage space for bike. The accessories range is incredible and it truly feels like they thought of everything I could need from a bike to take my son around, go shopping etc. We chose over the R&M long tails even though we live in the city where they are manufactured, because of the much better accessories.
A guy I commute with always rolls up to the ferry terminal on his long tail (non electric) cargo bike, puts it on the stand, and then just plops down on the back like a damn portable park bench with his book and it makes me so jealous.
Having just taken delivery of the Cube Cargo Dual Hybrid, I can attest to the fact that it is firstly, an amazing transport solution and extremely good value for money, but also a hugely important cargo bike in the market. Seeing a mainstream bike brand take on what was previously a niche market and find success (as well as making a great bike) will be a signal to other major brands to start offering E Cargo bikes as well. I can't wait to see, let's say, Giant, Specialized or Trek come out with a model and accelerate the uptake of more E-Cargo Bikes to replace cars
Love the Cargo, but maintanance is a thing that is lightyears behind cars. I've a crappy second hand Aygo for half the money of my Cube Cargo, and guess what, the yearly maintanance cost of the Aygo is half of the costs on the Cube. And with the Aygo I do maintanance cause I HAVE TOO by law. With the Cargo it is just 2-monthly random troubles. To give you an idea, I drove 15000km last year with the Aygo and 7000 with the Cube. So for true car replacement, cycle makers and especially Bosch have tons of homework to do.
Another great overview of the evolving cargo bike scene! Excellent content as always, and congratulations on getting a sponsor! I’ll be following that link as soon as I finish watching. It would be interesting to see some of your more in-depth reviews on some of these bikes; I’m particularly keen on seeing more of the Tern Quick Haul. As always, love your work 👍
I work in a small bike shop in the uk, we sell bakfiets, benno, babboe and terns. The tern gsd without a doubt being the most popular of the bikes despite often being a fair bit more expensive. I've owned a tern hsd which i loved but was needing more carry capacity and more capability terrain wise so got a bergamont E cargoville LT, 26" wheels, performance line motor nad now fitted with twin 500 w/h batteries and i've been able to do everything i normally plus stuff my parents would normally get the car out for! Great to see cargo bikes taking off in the US and other countries, as you can probably tell i love everything to do with bikes! Awesome video!!
My cargo e-bike is an e-mbt from E-CELLS, the Super Monarch Crown. It can haul a 400 pound load. 2 wheel drive, 2 batteries, dual suspension and hydraulic brakes. The "cargo"? Mainly boned-out big game meat from deer, elk, antelope, etc. Plus rider with hunting and survival gear.
I have one of the first Cube Cargo bikes in Australia. I think it's really cool that a more traditional bike company is making a cargo bike. They're imported and sold by the largest national bike shop chain, so hopefully it raises the profile of cargo bikes here. Here they are priced ~$4000 USD less than a similar UA bike, however box the is slightly smaller but the rider position is much better as someone who regularly rides MTB and road bikes
Nice selection! I just think it's a kind of prejudice when you exclude all bikes that are not Bosch. There are Shimano, Yamaha, Panasonic and Bafang building excellent quality components. I'd go even further and say you should promote other brands, to avoid Bosch being a monopoly on this field. Thanks!
And don't forget that BOSCH is delivering a piece of junk when it comes to Cargo bikes. You get weird charges for software updates doing apparantly nothing, the battery management system bricks if it detects 18650 cell replacement, the board in the motor controls lighting and if that fails (we had that problem) they take a month to replace the whole motor, the speed cap is at 23km/h and the software is tamper-proof (I demand the speed limit I am allowed to go, don't steal my 2km/h!), the feel of the motor above the cap is horrible and lowers your leg performance by 20%, the display is prone to connection errors and the batteries wear out quite fast and are crazy espensive. I'll never buy Bosch again, and when my bike is out of warranty, I remove every Bosch component from the bike.
@@lovemadeinjapanyou must have had bad luck. But don’t call one brand junk because you had bad luck. They are the market leader on regular and cargo bikes for a reason. If they were that bad globally, they wouldn’t exist.
@@musiqsoundsproductions There is no bad luck. Just a bad market situation. Bosch WAS great, but after they became semi monopolist, their attitude has become nasty. Some facts: - Bosch E-bike parts are designed for 2000-3000km/year. If you want to replace a car, you need 5-10k per year at least. We use it 6000km/year. That demands too much from the Bosch components. - Bosch does not allow people to upgrade software. It can be as easy as downloading an app to a computer, and click update, but they only allow this to be done by certified repair shops. - To be a certified repair shop, the people need to follow expensive education programs. This hugely limits service options - Parts are not available to the public except for maybe batteries - Official service stations are not allowed to have replacement parts in stock, they only get it after turning the defective component to Bosch. This hinders repair speed massively. - The components have DRM and bricking routines through e-fuses. Bosch is the John Deere of E-biking - Repair outside warranty is exceptionally expensive. They widely apply the dishwasher model: a Bosch dishwasher is new 600€, A new controller PCB is 250€ (in reality the made-in-china board costs 30€ to make at max), loading it with the correct software can only be done by a certified service agent for another 250€ (a consumer given a simple download could do this for 0€), putting consumers in an awkward position: do you repair a 5 year old device with just control board issues for 80-90% of the new price, or do you trash it and get a new one? The only solution is the EU to deliver a proper DIY Repair bill, and but the chainsaw at the repair industry Bosch runs. This is nasty business and has nothing to do with luck.
We purchased an urban arrow family 2 years ago for our family. Thanks to that we can be a 1 car family. We haul our 4 kids on it and have recently modified it for a co-pilot to be pulled behind it. Our kids love it.
Not to move focus from the bikes (contemplating an upgrade to a Benno) but WIFE? Is this something I just missed? You are a terrific person so I am thrilled to hear that there is a person terrific enough to be your partner 🎉🎉🎉
what kind of you to say! No, you didn’t miss anything I just said ugly. Inserted it into this video to see who would notice. They are one of the few, so I appreciate your attention to detail. I’m sure I’ll be sharing more of our story, and her story in the future. All I can say is that we are very happy and I’m extremely grateful to have her in my life. Excited for what lies ahead. I hope you’re finding our videos to be helpful as you progress in your search. If I can help more, please let me know. 😎
@@Propelbikes I am so happy for you! I look forward to hearing more (I love that she was riding with you whilst in her wedding dress 👑). I will, for sure, reach out with questions or for advice. I do have something that I would like to discuss - it is a bigger conversation but I will throw a little bit out here. I bought a Blix cargo bike as my first foray. It has a low price but seems to be a good and decent bit. I wanted something reliable to start before taking a leap into the next level of bikes. I have taken good care of it and enjoy it (I have had for it 6 months and have about 3000 kilometres on it). When I upgrade my bike, I would like this bike to go to someone who can use it - a vet, a single mum, a person transitioning from being unhoused, etc. Do you know of orgs that work in this sphere? I have extensive non-profit and project management/logistics experience so could help (on a voluntary basis) with such things if there are orgs that might exist but don't have this as part of the program.
Along with the types of cargo bikes you gave, I'd add two, or maybe just one and a half, more to the list. Number one would be the cycle truck; a standard bicycle with a load platform fixed to the frame above a smaller(usually 20") front wheel. Ahearne and Worksman make excellent examples. Number two, or maybe just 1-1/2, would be what I call the extended cycle truck. The front wheel is pushed forward and connected with a push rod. These were developed by Bilenky after they picked up the rights to the Counterpoint Opus semi-recumbent tandem and replaced the front position with a cargo platform. Besides the Bilenky Sherpa, noted examples are the Omnium Cargo or the Ridgeback Butcher. For the front load bikes I still use the name Long John.
Wow Chris this was a lexicon of cargo bikes. What a load of content. Married on a cargo bike. Wish they were around when I married! She might have said yes again!
I wish I had a film crew along for the ride. It was quite a glorious occasion, although we kept it very small, so We captured what we can on our own. Maybe we can make a video on this eventually.
This is definitely my FAVORITE of all the videos you’ve made to date! But then, I am somewhat biased, as I’ve had to design my own E-Cargo-Cruiser Bike, because, despite the myriad of different styles of E-Cargo Bikes out there, there aren’t any cruiser ones! Basically, I love semi-recumbent style bikes with back-support. The seating comfort and riding position for me, is superior to that of conventional bikes because I’m able to sit on my actual sit-bones, there is no pressure on my perineum, and my back is supported… like you, I have mild back issues too. BUT, I also love E-Cargo-Bikes, because of their utility and every day practicality. I was initially simply searching for a machine that was a combination of both and with seating height similar to a conventional bike so I can be easily seen by other road traffic. I couldn't find one, hence designing one... Like the saying goes, "necessity is the mother of invention." After seeing the DAY 6 Bike, which has a back-supported, semi-recumbent riding position, with the seat height of a conventional one, I was inspired to design my cargo-bike with the same attributes. For anyone reading this, who isn't already aware, or have not looked it up, a DAY 6 is NOT a cargo-bike, and for various reasons, it would not be wise to convert into one. My bike, despite being a semi step-thru frame design, has a Harley-Davidson-Chopper style. It’s designed for road, gravel and mild off-road usage. The down-tube is reinforced to counteract the forces that would be put on it. If you view my website, I'd be really interested to read your thoughts on my bike, and how you think it would be received in the American market. We utilize 32 inch wheels, because in short, they solve a multitude of issues, including, ensuring bottom-bracket ground clearance to a certain level, and, ensuring a smooth ride generally, but especially over pot-holed and uneven surfaces. There's more but these will suffice for now. This E-Cargo-Cruiser of mine, is primarily a commuter and tourer bike, however, it has wider application as a fleet-service bike due to its ability to genuinely and ergonomically accommodate a wide size range of riders, approx. 5 ft 3 inches to approx. 6 ft 7 inches irrespective of their girth. You're also able to place both feet simultaneously on the ground whilst still sat in your seat, improving stability when coming to a stop or when traversing uneven or slippery terrain. About a month ago, you put up another pretty good video explaining and showcasing the different types of bikes out there for people with various needs. I was wondering then if I should mention my bike on your channel, but today, after you put up this feature about Cargo-Bikes, I just had to. I thought, I've got nothing to lose. He'll either love it, hate it, or be ambivalent about it... on the web as Titan Vanguard Ebike dot com. Regardless of what you eventually say about it, if anything at all, I'll still be an avid watcher of your shows, as they are both very informative and well delivered.
That is the perfect shape bike for me. It's a bit on the large size though so I couldn't store it. Congratulations on a great design though. I just reported a couple of spam bots on your comment, don't respond to them if they turn up again, they're a proper pain at the moment.
That sounds a lot like my own thoughts. I want to be able to plant my feet on the ground from the seat so I can stabilize a fairly tall, heavy load. And I really like the recumbents, so I wanted a recumbent cargo bike, but not enormously long like a recumbent long john would be. I think mixte frames are stylish, as well as being fairly stiff and strong while still allowing the rider to step across when the rear rack is piled high with a bulky load. I could build something like an Omnium Max with the pedals moved as far forward as the front wheel allows for a low seat height. It should be really comfortable and still compact, as cargo bikes go.
More regulations like "don't wear a t shirt in the pool" are silly. More regulations like "let's make batteries better so they don't explode"? Yes fucking please.
I purchased a Focus e-bike about a year ago after listening to my wife rave about hers for 5 years. I come from years of riding long distance events where light weight, aero and efficiency rule the criteria. Initially thought it has potential and fun but the more I explored its potential I have almost ditched the car. There is a lot I didn't think about initially but after riding everywhere and carrying everything I needed, I realise the ideal bike for me would be something like a Tern hsd. The only limiting factor for me is the battery range for the things I would want to do. Maybe the Gsd with dual batteries would be better but I do like the form factor of the Hsd. One other point is I live in the nanny country Australia which limits your legal speed to 25kph (15.5mph). At this speed I am almost the slowest on my commute into the city.
A great and super information packed video as always. Personally I have found the utility of a trailer for carrying everything from people to tools a great option. A different video I would think. I do bemoan the fact that even here in liberal Washington state, there are few to zero options for getting good electric bikes, much less cargo bikes. The only way it seems is to travel to Portland or further.
Innovative as always. Thanks for being the vanguard for all things ecargobike. I agree that Surly is the sleeper and now that Bosch is their powerplant there will be another level of interest. I'm usually completely against regulatory burden, but until batteries get sorted out and safer something is going to have to be done. I would have hoped that UL ratings/requirements would have been enough.
I love my Larry and Harry built. I wish they did a step through and more upright version as well. LvH seems to come in a little more competitive in terms of price than R&M, which seem amazing.
That's the appeal of LvH though as most other marks are making very upright step through frames whereas some customers want a more sporty ride and look! The Bullitt was one of my final two options for a cargo bike but ended up with the Cube Cargo Hybrid for value for money, spec, size and accessories, while still having a slightly sportier riding position
living in a small apartment, in a area where bikes 100% will be stolen if left outside, the Tern HSD was the only real cargo option for me. If I can't fold the handle bar, I can't get in the apartment. Made the choice really simple. Love to ride the P9 with my K9 :)
That Cube trike!!!!!!!! I've probably asked before, but is there much development of utility-oriented E-bikes in the US (as opposed to established mountain bike brands that have added E-bikes to their range) ? It seems that there's loads coming out of Europe, and this must be a bit frustrating, but I suspect the legal jungle rears its head from time to time?
Recently upgraded the urban arrow to a “Lovens”. New dutch brand with suspension at the front. Much more comfort! Love how good your pronounced “bakfiets” 👍 Love the channel by the way
Ik heb zelf een Armadillo met een trailer er achter, en ik kan zeggen dat ik hem voor diverse dingen gebruikt (soms om mensen met een visuele handicap te vervoeren als een soort taxi). Maar je moet wel rekening houden met de andere weg gebruikers, dit omdat het een lengte van 4 meter 62 cm heeft en een breedte van 86 cm
I've been riding a bullitt for years now. I couldn't recommend a sturdier, more durable bike if I wanted to... Some days I load that beast up to 250 kgs and still get to where I need to be. Sure I would appreciate full suspension and fancy looking forks (looking at you Kettle) but when it comes to functionality, Bullitt is unbeatable. There is a whole modding community, owners who would go to great lengths costumizing them to their own needs and wants - and why not. A simple yet effective design can always be adjusted. Yet the beauty is in it's simplicity: I only take her to my workshop once every 6-12 months. No moving parts have to be regularly changed... a good cleaning though is always nice to have.
I'm curious why the Gazelle Makki doesn't get any attention. I know it's not available in the US but it's from a major company and seems to have better bang for the buck than the ever popular Urban Arrow. We are moving to the Netherlands in the spring and the Makki is the cargo bike I'll be getting.
I'm going to have to come back to this one Chris, Riese and Muller load 60/70 is grabbing my attention still ! thanks for sharing all the info. PS not sure if you recently got married, if so huge congrats to you both! Cheers from the UK.
I know Triobike uses Brose for their motor, while Winther uses Shimano. Both seem to be very well built and offer riders more options. Is it safety, ease of service, or because Bosch is first out of the gate with UL certification (in which case I would ask how the ratings European equivalents Underwriters Limited compare to UL. I'd imagine they would have to be quite similar). Not knocking Bosch by any means, of course.
I do really admire both the Trio bike as well as the Winther, especially those that increase accessiblity. Unfortunately, the European standard is not quite as high as the US standard. I think there are several reasons why the issue doesn’t arise in Europe as much as it has in the US. For one, Europe has anti-dumping policies which prevents the really low quality stuff from entering the market. This is not the case here in the US. Although we have had some tariffs that are currently on pause. I believe the majority of products that are on the market today would not pass even the basic safety standards. I know that’s a bold statement, but I think the problem is much greater than most would be willing to admit. I should also note that the risk is much greater in New York City and unfortunately, the percentage of low quality products is even higher there as well. This creates kind of a perfect storm. and this is pretty scary for me after dedicating nearly 10 years of my life, towards improving the public perception of electric bikes, and helping to legalize them in New York. The idea that all of this could go away a few bad actors is a scary proposition.
If you like to drive like a douchebag, UA is OK. If you have more oomph in your legs, get the Cube Cargo. Part-wise they are identical, but I prefer the sportier sit position. No matter the choice, picking a e-cargo bike forces you to do self-repairs. If you don't like that, forget it, Cube again is easier for maintanance than the UA. And both suffer from the horrible Bosch drive train, but they seem to have a monopoly in the segment. I hope someone makes a open-source main control PCB to replace the bosch one in the motor soon. I'll pay 500€ for one.
@@g.galdos3527 Here in my hood there are like 10-15 UA's and a single Cube (ours). I don't want to trade... Lack of suspension and dual batteries is an abosulte no-go. Also the sit/steer position is cringe. It is mostly a status symbol. I think our mileage is the same as 5 UA's combined.
Hi Chris, I'm in the UK so not a potential customer, sadly. Just wanted to ask if you know what security is like on cargo bikes in general. The electric versions are something I'd seriously consider for getting the weekly shop but I'd need to know someone isn't going to have it away while I'm in the shop ie the store. Curious as to you and your customers' experience with potential thieves. Thanks for this quick look at some fantastic bikes.👍💚
The good thing about cargo bikes are their weight - it is not so easy to steal it if you have a good chain lock and lock it to something that cannot move. The bad thing is that cargo bikes are more or less expensive so it is still good to have an insurance in addition 🙂
@Jude I shop at my local Waitrose and use click and collect, I spoke to the store manager and he was quite happy for me to take my cargo bike (Riese&Müller Load 60) into the store and up to the customer service desk to collect my shopping, not ideal but something that may work for you? Certainly I feel much happier than leaving it locked up outside where locked bikes have been stolen recently.
@@ratbert1 actually that's a good idea. I have been known to walk my present 20" wheel e-bike round Tesco's without incident but getting out is a bit tight! So I mostly chain it to their bike racks, though they are very small, designed in the shape of four little bikes but completely impossible for any bike to park in between them because of their stylised handle bars so although they look like they're for four bikes only two can fit on either side. Definite case of form over function! Thanks for the tip.👍
I shop a lot with a Cube Cargo, and I even leave the shopping goods in the bucket while in other shops. I do a ride of 5-6 shops on Saturday. Never had anything stolen from the bike, nor the bike itself. I park it with a class 4 motorcycle U-lock, although when it fills up with 50kg of groceries, it is nearly impossible to drive it if you take off the display.
What abut a "SIDECAR" electric cargo attachment, that would fit any bike? 3rd wheel makes the vehicle stable on snow and ice. Battery weight is not a problem since it increases vehicle stability. Could even use 4 car battery to power a 48V hub motor ( bike rear wheel ). That battery type would be the best range vs price ratio.
The best and originator is and always will be Urban Arrow, from the bike country #1 The Netherlands. I wished they went into regular biks too. I love my Tender 2500, which can haul 400kg in total.
A simple option is to buy a removable front bag. So instead of a backpack I carry everything I need in the basket, and it's useful for small groceries shopping. It's weird that I never saw anyone else but me using this kind of bag where I live.
Hi. I live in Atlanta GA. I recently have become obsessed with the front load family cargo bikes!! I have two children (6 yo/40lb & 7yo/50lb). I dont have a car or a lot of money but i could really use one of these to navigate our neighborhood, run errands, etc. Are there any kind of assistance programs to help with purchasing, or used bikes, or low payment? Any help you can iffer would be great!!
I’m Dutch almost 60 and drove bikes from the age of two or three. We had until the recumbent swerve very popular in the late 2010. Adjustable bikes or bikes build for very small people and bikes for very large people. Course the majority is in between. Nowadays I cannot buy a new bike because they are from my ally and working in the air plane industry I know how difficult it is to get planes tight and strong with -60 when there are 10,000 feet high in the air. Just because Ally aluminum alloy breaks and gets brittle with lower temperatures increasing. Foremost I have a problem with the new manufacturers and bikes made of unfortunately Ella minium and just made for the general size people. Oh yeah of course you can get a longer saddle pin just custom-made for you on affordable but then sitting on it the rotating the wheels or the pedals your feet are too big to fit and you hit the ground when you turn a curve so the bike is in essential made for small people adjusted a little bit just in height but that’s not the way to do it fuckers. Sorry because now I’m riding my 30 year old bikes with stainless steel steel frame stainless steel rims and a steel frame but an oversized frame which are not anymore anymore in the program even with the big enormous Dutch bike firms. Oh what do you hear so make your own custom made one yes of course but then you’re talking about a small fortune and then I rather buy directly a car then a bike. Hopefully you hear how annoyed I am because of the strict and marketing policies to only hit the biggest market and the smaller and the longer people are just annoying or just pain in the ass and oh are you going to fat because we cannot bike or walk. So a lot of anger is staggered and the stupidity nurse to say that she mono has the best gears it is the worst crap you ever imagine only for racing possibilities for the Tour de France but out of that the aloe is so in chest credible week. The lost really worthwhile stuff worse the jumping all on which I had on my two front due to but I’m recovering so I had to show that’s almost 10 years ago or more than. Now my €3500 M5-559 it’s just worth under 500 and with electrical maybe just hits thethousand mark. So I found a old bike repair man with quite a supply of all parts which lost forever when you install them and he maintains my three bikes one recumbent and two other bikes normal Dutch bikes. Two of them I made electrical with my bafang system on it. That is my blessing because these guys who really do their magic with all parts they scrap together are worth a lot and he isn’t even cheap so I got rid of all my stock gave it to him and until his pension plan and mine because we’re not far away he will have stock for the neighborhood have for the kids. And there is where we need to focus we need to learn kids and by example also the parents need to bicycle especially when you’re surrounding in the city just go on bike put your helmets on we in the homeland we have really hard heads and cheese on top of it so we are protected by the cheese in our head so but when you don’t put an example that you as a parent also try the bike than other all the people will also see the stupidity Ness of driving by car also for short distances. In another video maker just not for bikes he explains why they’re riding a bike in other places then especially Holland China and herb little parts of Germany or Belgium is even very dangerous and the infrastructure is just not fit for it and growing up with cyclists is a must to get bikes a place in the healthcare and the traveling mode.
lets say you want a front loading cargo bike for a person who is 5'10 and 180. It's being piloted by a woman on the shorter end. What is your recommendation?
We all see homeless people pushing a shopping cart or some kind of cargo carrier on wheels propelled by pushing it. Then they have to find a place to sleep away from prying eyes, which is really difficult to do since it is hard to hide the cart and the shelter. Most places won't even let them pitch a tent. Where do they go when rains comes down. How will they survive when it storms. Homeless people with more means can live out of their car, but that takes a steady but low source of income to pay for gas, insurance, registration, and car repair. What if we can make a 4 wheel bicycle that can carry cargo down low, and sleep up above the cargo section. And have an aerodynamic top covering to shelter the rider and cargo. This bicycle can be charge via public charging stations or solar panels on the rooftop covering. The cargo section can be fully enclosed to prevent theft. This bicycle would basically be a portable house on wheel, propelled by electric motors. Homeless people can just lock up and leave it and go try to make a living. They are not required to hang around guarding their belongings. Non-homeless people can use it for bike-packing where they don't need to pitch a tent to sleep.
We are trying to build a eCargo trike. Can someone please help us with how the chain mechanism would work and how would the switch happen to shift to battery operation. Know any reference I can look at?
I put a kid on a jump seat every warm month. When we go to the pool, the kids want to ride. Son on the jump seat, older daughter on a scooter. My personal journeys are mostly on electric unicycles, so I don’t want to hear not being able to carry stuff. I carry 20-30 pounds on my back, and some in my hands.
This intrigued me also since they are a US based company that utilise both Bosch and Shimano motors. Some very clever designs too especially the FastRack.
I need a bicycle that will allow me to transport my camping gear (panniers) plus all other equipment and items needed for camping along with my two dogs on the bike.
as far as I know, a bicycle is considered a bicycle in Germany as long as it is not wider than 2.40m and longer than 12m. if electric only pedal assisted up to 250w.
I would love to see a similar list for people that can't peddle a bicycle. I have a knee that has limited abilities and doesn't bend well enough to peddle, but I can walk without issue. Other than the treadmill and maybe elliptical bike I am coming up short on ideas for human powered vehicles for people like myself, let alone a cargo option.
@@AbigailArwen Yes, a kick scooter/bike would work well, but there aren't any cargo versions. I suppose I could use a delivery backpack or a light trailer.
Love them. Hope they are available in the Philippines. A good replacement for cars tha uses fuel. Fuel here is very expensive. It is also also very helpful for climate change and for our health.
one of the best ways to prevent the fires from batteries during charging is to switch to lithium ferrite than the lithium batteries, one of the issues is the lithium batteries have an un controllable decompositions reaction when charging. the federal trade commission and the consumer protection commission could force this change. how to get their attention i don't know.
As an two-wheel-enthusiast I still find it strange, that my urban arrow cargo bike is about the same price as my Yamaha Xsr 700 motorcycle. You get much more tech in middle class motorcycle than in a cargo bike.
Hi! I have a question about the Riese & Muller bike. I'm thinking of ordering one but i need to know whether or not the top of the hardcover option is removable. If i were to carry an adult for example i can imagine their legs wouldnt fit if the lid is still partially attached like i saw on your older video on the 2020 load 75 with the hardcover. I cant find an answer anywhere so i thought i'd ask. Great video by the way!
I think there may be a future that we will see this, but at the moment their frames aren't designed to accommodate a belt so I'm not sure we will see it until some full redesign.
Nice video and beautiful collection of cargo bikes in all kind of sizes. We just a bought a Bike43. A company that's quite new in the business. But I think it's worth checking out.
Another bonus if car companies start looking at themselves as transportation companies instead, they’d hopefully be less focused on trying to keep people car dependant and more interested in advertising their whole range of transportation options instead.
You mentioned aluminum frame to be lighter. Yes, it's lighter, but aluminum also has many bad characteristics. Aluminum stress cracks easily. Expect to get 2 years of shelf life & less when actually used. Aluminum is great for racing or for semi truck trailers, where it's planned to dispose of said frame within 2 years. Just like tires only have a 6 year shelf life.
Great video, but you really need to credit the GCN video clip you have at 07:35. I think Sy would be a bit miffed if you just nicked a part of his video without credit.
In my search for the perfect e-bike for me, they are all designed to be stolen easily. Quick detach wheels, peddles, seats, & batteries. No keyed ignition. Are they only designed to go from a locked garage back to a locked garage? I want a cargo e-bike that I can actually abandon, fully intact, while I grocery shop or go inside a restaurant. In the snow & ice, I want a trike & faster than 14 mph. I ride Harley, 20+ years, everything locks up on it. I can leave it outside for months & not worry.
I have zero use for a cargo bike but I love them and get very excited about them, because of the potential they have to replace cars for young families and business transport. They're so good!
Their potential is pretty awesome!
Ohhh
I want a cargo bike so bad, but same, zero use
@@josebustamante4276 I wouldn't even have the space to store one when not in use, so probably for the best haha. Still I can't help but drool whenever I see one.
Installing a front and rear rack on your regular hybrid bike is a budget friendly option if you want to haul smaller cargo or children and can be used as a touring touring bike as well.
I said I don't have any use for one too. Then I decided to try one for a weekend. The next week I had one and oh boy, I look for any excuse to get on it and find so many. Rides with dog, girlfriend, kids, shopping, hardware store runs, riding to the mtb trails. Even just riding empty these have a lot of character.
I plan to invest in a cargo bike for my sustainable landscaping business. I work with native plants in a very hilly part of the city and having a cargo ebike seems like the perfect fit philosophically and would probably even be an excellent point marketing wise. Very-eyecatching to have your green landscaper show up on a bike.
Make a video when you do!
I work for a company in Bk that does distribution, I’m slowly bringing up cargo bikes everyone thinks it’s insane for now, but I see Amazon doing it in Manhattan and think we can too for that area would would relieve a lot of pressure.
Cities are def transforming and cargo bikes are a part of that future. In 20 years time I think we will be asked a lot about this time “like you really did that?!”
Benno Boost owner here of 4 years, and I still love it. It has allowed our small family of 3 to get rid of our second car! I needed a mid tail cargo bike to haul a child, but also fit through 3 doors, and be carried up a flight of stairs. I still love front loaders, especially the Riese and Muller Load. But as an apartment dweller, the Benno has just fit so perfectly. And it’s easily grown with my daughter, as we’ve removed the Yepp seat and added the Benno accessories.
Absolutely love our Tern HSD. Great little bike when you have a kid and only small storage space for bike. The accessories range is incredible and it truly feels like they thought of everything I could need from a bike to take my son around, go shopping etc. We chose over the R&M long tails even though we live in the city where they are manufactured, because of the much better accessories.
A guy I commute with always rolls up to the ferry terminal on his long tail (non electric) cargo bike, puts it on the stand, and then just plops down on the back like a damn portable park bench with his book and it makes me so jealous.
Having just taken delivery of the Cube Cargo Dual Hybrid, I can attest to the fact that it is firstly, an amazing transport solution and extremely good value for money, but also a hugely important cargo bike in the market. Seeing a mainstream bike brand take on what was previously a niche market and find success (as well as making a great bike) will be a signal to other major brands to start offering E Cargo bikes as well. I can't wait to see, let's say, Giant, Specialized or Trek come out with a model and accelerate the uptake of more E-Cargo Bikes to replace cars
Love the Cargo, but maintanance is a thing that is lightyears behind cars. I've a crappy second hand Aygo for half the money of my Cube Cargo, and guess what, the yearly maintanance cost of the Aygo is half of the costs on the Cube. And with the Aygo I do maintanance cause I HAVE TOO by law. With the Cargo it is just 2-monthly random troubles.
To give you an idea, I drove 15000km last year with the Aygo and 7000 with the Cube. So for true car replacement, cycle makers and especially Bosch have tons of homework to do.
I believe Panasonic has started certifying their batteries with UL lately, too.
Another great overview of the evolving cargo bike scene! Excellent content as always, and congratulations on getting a sponsor! I’ll be following that link as soon as I finish watching. It would be interesting to see some of your more in-depth reviews on some of these bikes; I’m particularly keen on seeing more of the Tern Quick Haul. As always, love your work 👍
I work in a small bike shop in the uk, we sell bakfiets, benno, babboe and terns. The tern gsd without a doubt being the most popular of the bikes despite often being a fair bit more expensive. I've owned a tern hsd which i loved but was needing more carry capacity and more capability terrain wise so got a bergamont E cargoville LT, 26" wheels, performance line motor nad now fitted with twin 500 w/h batteries and i've been able to do everything i normally plus stuff my parents would normally get the car out for!
Great to see cargo bikes taking off in the US and other countries, as you can probably tell i love everything to do with bikes!
Awesome video!!
My cargo e-bike is an e-mbt from E-CELLS, the Super Monarch Crown. It can haul a 400 pound load. 2 wheel drive, 2 batteries, dual suspension and hydraulic brakes. The "cargo"? Mainly boned-out big game meat from deer, elk, antelope, etc. Plus rider with hunting and survival gear.
I have one of the first Cube Cargo bikes in Australia. I think it's really cool that a more traditional bike company is making a cargo bike. They're imported and sold by the largest national bike shop chain, so hopefully it raises the profile of cargo bikes here. Here they are priced ~$4000 USD less than a similar UA bike, however box the is slightly smaller but the rider position is much better as someone who regularly rides MTB and road bikes
Nice selection! I just think it's a kind of prejudice when you exclude all bikes that are not Bosch. There are Shimano, Yamaha, Panasonic and Bafang building excellent quality components. I'd go even further and say you should promote other brands, to avoid Bosch being a monopoly on this field. Thanks!
And don't forget that BOSCH is delivering a piece of junk when it comes to Cargo bikes. You get weird charges for software updates doing apparantly nothing, the battery management system bricks if it detects 18650 cell replacement, the board in the motor controls lighting and if that fails (we had that problem) they take a month to replace the whole motor, the speed cap is at 23km/h and the software is tamper-proof (I demand the speed limit I am allowed to go, don't steal my 2km/h!), the feel of the motor above the cap is horrible and lowers your leg performance by 20%, the display is prone to connection errors and the batteries wear out quite fast and are crazy espensive. I'll never buy Bosch again, and when my bike is out of warranty, I remove every Bosch component from the bike.
@@lovemadeinjapanyou must have had bad luck. But don’t call one brand junk because you had bad luck.
They are the market leader on regular and cargo bikes for a reason.
If they were that bad globally, they wouldn’t exist.
@@musiqsoundsproductions There is no bad luck. Just a bad market situation. Bosch WAS great, but after they became semi monopolist, their attitude has become nasty. Some facts:
- Bosch E-bike parts are designed for 2000-3000km/year. If you want to replace a car, you need 5-10k per year at least. We use it 6000km/year. That demands too much from the Bosch components.
- Bosch does not allow people to upgrade software. It can be as easy as downloading an app to a computer, and click update, but they only allow this to be done by certified repair shops.
- To be a certified repair shop, the people need to follow expensive education programs. This hugely limits service options
- Parts are not available to the public except for maybe batteries
- Official service stations are not allowed to have replacement parts in stock, they only get it after turning the defective component to Bosch. This hinders repair speed massively.
- The components have DRM and bricking routines through e-fuses. Bosch is the John Deere of E-biking
- Repair outside warranty is exceptionally expensive. They widely apply the dishwasher model: a Bosch dishwasher is new 600€, A new controller PCB is 250€ (in reality the made-in-china board costs 30€ to make at max), loading it with the correct software can only be done by a certified service agent for another 250€ (a consumer given a simple download could do this for 0€), putting consumers in an awkward position: do you repair a 5 year old device with just control board issues for 80-90% of the new price, or do you trash it and get a new one?
The only solution is the EU to deliver a proper DIY Repair bill, and but the chainsaw at the repair industry Bosch runs. This is nasty business and has nothing to do with luck.
We purchased an urban arrow family 2 years ago for our family. Thanks to that we can be a 1 car family. We haul our 4 kids on it and have recently modified it for a co-pilot to be pulled behind it. Our kids love it.
Not to move focus from the bikes (contemplating an upgrade to a Benno) but WIFE? Is this something I just missed? You are a terrific person so I am thrilled to hear that there is a person terrific enough to be your partner 🎉🎉🎉
Or, maybe the Reise & Muller cargo…
what kind of you to say! No, you didn’t miss anything I just said ugly. Inserted it into this video to see who would notice. They are one of the few, so I appreciate your attention to detail. I’m sure I’ll be sharing more of our story, and her story in the future. All I can say is that we are very happy and I’m extremely grateful to have her in my life. Excited for what lies ahead.
I hope you’re finding our videos to be helpful as you progress in your search. If I can help more, please let me know. 😎
@@Propelbikes Congratulations Chris and Mrs. Chris!
Much appreciated! That's Soraya 🙂
@@Propelbikes I am so happy for you! I look forward to hearing more (I love that she was riding with you whilst in her wedding dress 👑). I will, for sure, reach out with questions or for advice.
I do have something that I would like to discuss - it is a bigger conversation but I will throw a little bit out here. I bought a Blix cargo bike as my first foray. It has a low price but seems to be a good and decent bit. I wanted something reliable to start before taking a leap into the next level of bikes. I have taken good care of it and enjoy it (I have had for it 6 months and have about 3000 kilometres on it). When I upgrade my bike, I would like this bike to go to someone who can use it - a vet, a single mum, a person transitioning from being unhoused, etc. Do you know of orgs that work in this sphere? I have extensive non-profit and project management/logistics experience so could help (on a voluntary basis) with such things if there are orgs that might exist but don't have this as part of the program.
Along with the types of cargo bikes you gave, I'd add two, or maybe just one and a half, more to the list.
Number one would be the cycle truck; a standard bicycle with a load platform fixed to the frame above a smaller(usually 20") front wheel. Ahearne and Worksman make excellent examples.
Number two, or maybe just 1-1/2, would be what I call the extended cycle truck. The front wheel is pushed forward and connected with a push rod. These were developed by Bilenky after they picked up the rights to the Counterpoint Opus semi-recumbent tandem and replaced the front position with a cargo platform. Besides the Bilenky Sherpa, noted examples are the Omnium Cargo or the Ridgeback Butcher.
For the front load bikes I still use the name Long John.
@HERE IS THE NAME👉@Propelbikes
Just so you know; I haven't won a bike. You're not Propel. And I'm not as gullible as you think I am.
@@JustClaude13 ??? True?
Wow Chris this was a lexicon of cargo bikes. What a load of content. Married on a cargo bike. Wish they were around when I married! She might have said yes again!
I wish I had a film crew along for the ride. It was quite a glorious occasion, although we kept it very small, so We captured what we can on our own. Maybe we can make a video on this eventually.
I bought a Benno Boost and I love it. For most of my trips under 7 miles I take the cargo bike. I just wish it came with a chain guard.
Good feedback for sure. I'll make sure to share it with Benno
@@Propelbikes It's by far the best bike I've ever owned. Thanks for sharing the feedback. 😄👍
This is definitely my FAVORITE of all the videos you’ve made to date! But then, I am somewhat biased, as I’ve had to design my own E-Cargo-Cruiser Bike, because, despite the myriad of different styles of E-Cargo Bikes out there, there aren’t any cruiser ones!
Basically, I love semi-recumbent style bikes with back-support. The seating comfort and riding position for me, is superior to that of conventional bikes because I’m able to sit on my actual sit-bones, there is no pressure on my perineum, and my back is supported… like you, I have mild back issues too. BUT, I also love E-Cargo-Bikes, because of their utility and every day practicality.
I was initially simply searching for a machine that was a combination of both and with seating height similar to a conventional bike so I can be easily seen by other road traffic. I couldn't find one, hence designing one... Like the saying goes, "necessity is the mother of invention."
After seeing the DAY 6 Bike, which has a back-supported, semi-recumbent riding position, with the seat height of a conventional one, I was inspired to design my cargo-bike with the same attributes. For anyone reading this, who isn't already aware, or have not looked it up, a DAY 6 is NOT a cargo-bike, and for various reasons, it would not be wise to convert into one.
My bike, despite being a semi step-thru frame design, has a Harley-Davidson-Chopper style. It’s designed for road, gravel and mild off-road usage. The down-tube is reinforced to counteract the forces that would be put on it. If you view my website, I'd be really interested to read your thoughts on my bike, and how you think it would be received in the American market.
We utilize 32 inch wheels, because in short, they solve a multitude of issues, including, ensuring bottom-bracket ground clearance to a certain level, and, ensuring a smooth ride generally, but especially over pot-holed and uneven surfaces. There's more but these will suffice for now. This E-Cargo-Cruiser of mine, is primarily a commuter and tourer bike, however, it has wider application as a fleet-service bike due to its ability to genuinely and ergonomically accommodate a wide size range of riders, approx. 5 ft 3 inches to approx. 6 ft 7 inches irrespective of their girth. You're also able to place both feet simultaneously on the ground whilst still sat in your seat, improving stability when coming to a stop or when traversing uneven or slippery terrain.
About a month ago, you put up another pretty good video explaining and showcasing the different types of bikes out there for people with various needs. I was wondering then if I should mention my bike on your channel, but today, after you put up this feature about Cargo-Bikes, I just had to. I thought, I've got nothing to lose. He'll either love it, hate it, or be ambivalent about it... on the web as Titan Vanguard Ebike dot com.
Regardless of what you eventually say about it, if anything at all, I'll still be an avid watcher of your shows, as they are both very informative and well delivered.
That is the perfect shape bike for me. It's a bit on the large size though so I couldn't store it. Congratulations on a great design though.
I just reported a couple of spam bots on your comment, don't respond to them if they turn up again, they're a proper pain at the moment.
That sounds a lot like my own thoughts. I want to be able to plant my feet on the ground from the seat so I can stabilize a fairly tall, heavy load.
And I really like the recumbents, so I wanted a recumbent cargo bike, but not enormously long like a recumbent long john would be.
I think mixte frames are stylish, as well as being fairly stiff and strong while still allowing the rider to step across when the rear rack is piled high with a bulky load.
I could build something like an Omnium Max with the pedals moved as far forward as the front wheel allows for a low seat height. It should be really comfortable and still compact, as cargo bikes go.
I would take a look at Nihola bikes. You would be amazed how many different variations there are.
More regulations like "don't wear a t shirt in the pool" are silly. More regulations like "let's make batteries better so they don't explode"? Yes fucking please.
I purchased a Focus e-bike about a year ago after listening to my wife rave about hers for 5 years. I come from years of riding long distance events where light weight, aero and efficiency rule the criteria. Initially thought it has potential and fun but the more I explored its potential I have almost ditched the car.
There is a lot I didn't think about initially but after riding everywhere and carrying everything I needed, I realise the ideal bike for me would be something like a Tern hsd. The only limiting factor for me is the battery range for the things I would want to do. Maybe the Gsd with dual batteries would be better but I do like the form factor of the Hsd.
One other point is I live in the nanny country Australia which limits your legal speed to 25kph (15.5mph). At this speed I am almost the slowest on my commute into the city.
Why is no one talking about the xtracycle stoker? Seems like such a great bike
A great and super information packed video as always. Personally I have found the utility of a trailer for carrying everything from people to tools a great option. A different video I would think. I do bemoan the fact that even here in liberal Washington state, there are few to zero options for getting good electric bikes, much less cargo bikes. The only way it seems is to travel to Portland or further.
Innovative as always. Thanks for being the vanguard for all things ecargobike. I agree that Surly is the sleeper and now that Bosch is their powerplant there will be another level of interest. I'm usually completely against regulatory burden, but until batteries get sorted out and safer something is going to have to be done. I would have hoped that UL ratings/requirements would have been enough.
I love my Larry and Harry built. I wish they did a step through and more upright version as well. LvH seems to come in a little more competitive in terms of price than R&M, which seem amazing.
That's the appeal of LvH though as most other marks are making very upright step through frames whereas some customers want a more sporty ride and look! The Bullitt was one of my final two options for a cargo bike but ended up with the Cube Cargo Hybrid for value for money, spec, size and accessories, while still having a slightly sportier riding position
For living in Europe I really like your content, give a good overview of all the cool bikes! Problem now is which to choose?!
Wow! The velove looks amazing. Really enjoying the Tern line and how it looks and works for folks in my area.
living in a small apartment, in a area where bikes 100% will be stolen if left outside, the Tern HSD was the only real cargo option for me. If I can't fold the handle bar, I can't get in the apartment. Made the choice really simple. Love to ride the P9 with my K9 :)
That Cube trike!!!!!!!! I've probably asked before, but is there much development of utility-oriented E-bikes in the US (as opposed to established mountain bike brands that have added E-bikes to their range) ? It seems that there's loads coming out of Europe, and this must be a bit frustrating, but I suspect the legal jungle rears its head from time to time?
I think Workcycles should be added to list. They are well made Dutch bikes imo
I agree! They sure are awesome! I look forward to more electric options from them and hopefully offering them in the shop. Henry is really inspiring!
A lot more cargo bike innovation than I previously knew about! Good stuff
Any front loader cargo bike available in the U.S.?
Loved this video, thanks! I have a Buchers and Bicycles cargo bike (often refered to as a "Bubi") and it really replaces my car. Love it!!!
Recently upgraded the urban arrow to a “Lovens”. New dutch brand with suspension at the front. Much more comfort!
Love how good your pronounced “bakfiets” 👍
Love the channel by the way
How does the steering hold after say 5000km?
Ik heb zelf een Armadillo met een trailer er achter, en ik kan zeggen dat ik hem voor diverse dingen gebruikt (soms om mensen met een visuele handicap te vervoeren als een soort taxi). Maar je moet wel rekening houden met de andere weg gebruikers, dit omdat het een lengte van 4 meter 62 cm heeft en een breedte van 86 cm
Great video! I loved your acting in The Goonies! Cheers!
I've been riding a bullitt for years now. I couldn't recommend a sturdier, more durable bike if I wanted to... Some days I load that beast up to 250 kgs and still get to where I need to be. Sure I would appreciate full suspension and fancy looking forks (looking at you Kettle) but when it comes to functionality, Bullitt is unbeatable. There is a whole modding community, owners who would go to great lengths costumizing them to their own needs and wants - and why not. A simple yet effective design can always be adjusted. Yet the beauty is in it's simplicity: I only take her to my workshop once every 6-12 months. No moving parts have to be regularly changed... a good cleaning though is always nice to have.
I'm curious why the Gazelle Makki doesn't get any attention. I know it's not available in the US but it's from a major company and seems to have better bang for the buck than the ever popular Urban Arrow. We are moving to the Netherlands in the spring and the Makki is the cargo bike I'll be getting.
Because it is ugly as heck perhaps?
I'm going to have to come back to this one Chris, Riese and Muller load 60/70 is grabbing my attention still ! thanks for sharing all the info. PS not sure if you recently got married, if so huge congrats to you both! Cheers from the UK.
Thanks! We did! Happy learning!
I know Triobike uses Brose for their motor, while Winther uses Shimano. Both seem to be very well built and offer riders more options. Is it safety, ease of service, or because Bosch is first out of the gate with UL certification (in which case I would ask how the ratings European equivalents Underwriters Limited compare to UL. I'd imagine they would have to be quite similar). Not knocking Bosch by any means, of course.
I do really admire both the Trio bike as well as the Winther, especially those that increase accessiblity. Unfortunately, the European standard is not quite as high as the US standard. I think there are several reasons why the issue doesn’t arise in Europe as much as it has in the US. For one, Europe has anti-dumping policies which prevents the really low quality stuff from entering the market. This is not the case here in the US. Although we have had some tariffs that are currently on pause. I believe the majority of products that are on the market today would not pass even the basic safety standards. I know that’s a bold statement, but I think the problem is much greater than most would be willing to admit. I should also note that the risk is much greater in New York City and unfortunately, the percentage of low quality products is even higher there as well. This creates kind of a perfect storm. and this is pretty scary for me after dedicating nearly 10 years of my life, towards improving the public perception of electric bikes, and helping to legalize them in New York. The idea that all of this could go away a few bad actors is a scary proposition.
@@Propelbikes Thanks Chris. Out her in Victoria, I looking at a Nevo or an X-Road right now but am considering a cargo bike down the road.
Great to see the new video Chris. We love our RM Loads. Propel is a great shop!
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You really missed out on Hagen. They produce really nice handmade cargo bikes!
Here in Belgium, Urban Arrow seems to be the clear winner. Robust, reliable and great value.
If you like to drive like a douchebag, UA is OK. If you have more oomph in your legs, get the Cube Cargo. Part-wise they are identical, but I prefer the sportier sit position. No matter the choice, picking a e-cargo bike forces you to do self-repairs. If you don't like that, forget it, Cube again is easier for maintanance than the UA. And both suffer from the horrible Bosch drive train, but they seem to have a monopoly in the segment. I hope someone makes a open-source main control PCB to replace the bosch one in the motor soon. I'll pay 500€ for one.
Like said, UA is the clear winner in countries where cargo bikes are common everywhere.
@@g.galdos3527 Here in my hood there are like 10-15 UA's and a single Cube (ours). I don't want to trade... Lack of suspension and dual batteries is an abosulte no-go. Also the sit/steer position is cringe. It is mostly a status symbol. I think our mileage is the same as 5 UA's combined.
Hi Chris, I'm in the UK so not a potential customer, sadly. Just wanted to ask if you know what security is like on cargo bikes in general. The electric versions are something I'd seriously consider for getting the weekly shop but I'd need to know someone isn't going to have it away while I'm in the shop ie the store. Curious as to you and your customers' experience with potential thieves.
Thanks for this quick look at some fantastic bikes.👍💚
The good thing about cargo bikes are their weight - it is not so easy to steal it if you have a good chain lock and lock it to something that cannot move. The bad thing is that cargo bikes are more or less expensive so it is still good to have an insurance in addition 🙂
@Jude I shop at my local Waitrose and use click and collect, I spoke to the store manager and he was quite happy for me to take my cargo bike (Riese&Müller Load 60) into the store and up to the customer service desk to collect my shopping, not ideal but something that may work for you? Certainly I feel much happier than leaving it locked up outside where locked bikes have been stolen recently.
@@ratbert1 actually that's a good idea. I have been known to walk my present 20" wheel e-bike round Tesco's without incident but getting out is a bit tight! So I mostly chain it to their bike racks, though they are very small, designed in the shape of four little bikes but completely impossible for any bike to park in between them because of their stylised handle bars so although they look like they're for four bikes only two can fit on either side. Definite case of form over function! Thanks for the tip.👍
I shop a lot with a Cube Cargo, and I even leave the shopping goods in the bucket while in other shops. I do a ride of 5-6 shops on Saturday. Never had anything stolen from the bike, nor the bike itself. I park it with a class 4 motorcycle U-lock, although when it fills up with 50kg of groceries, it is nearly impossible to drive it if you take off the display.
What abut a "SIDECAR" electric cargo attachment, that would fit any bike? 3rd wheel makes the vehicle stable on snow and ice. Battery weight is not a problem since it increases vehicle stability. Could even use 4 car battery to power a 48V hub motor ( bike rear wheel ). That battery type would be the best range vs price ratio.
Hello, very nice video. I have been considering a cube cargo bike and was wondering if you have any feedback? Cube vs Urban Arrow?
The best and originator is and always will be Urban Arrow, from the bike country #1 The Netherlands.
I wished they went into regular biks too.
I love my Tender 2500, which can haul 400kg in total.
A simple option is to buy a removable front bag. So instead of a backpack I carry everything I need in the basket, and it's useful for small groceries shopping. It's weird that I never saw anyone else but me using this kind of bag where I live.
Hi. I live in Atlanta GA. I recently have become obsessed with the front load family cargo bikes!! I have two children (6 yo/40lb & 7yo/50lb). I dont have a car or a lot of money but i could really use one of these to navigate our neighborhood, run errands, etc. Are there any kind of assistance programs to help with purchasing, or used bikes, or low payment? Any help you can iffer would be great!!
Great video showing so many different cargo bikes to get excited about!
Yet another super informative video and wow, what a selection of bikes covered!
I’m Dutch almost 60 and drove bikes from the age of two or three. We had until the recumbent swerve very popular in the late 2010. Adjustable bikes or bikes build for very small people and bikes for very large people. Course the majority is in between. Nowadays I cannot buy a new bike because they are from my ally and working in the air plane industry I know how difficult it is to get planes tight and strong with -60 when there are 10,000 feet high in the air. Just because Ally aluminum alloy breaks and gets brittle with lower temperatures increasing. Foremost I have a problem with the new manufacturers and bikes made of unfortunately Ella minium and just made for the general size people. Oh yeah of course you can get a longer saddle pin just custom-made for you on affordable but then sitting on it the rotating the wheels or the pedals your feet are too big to fit and you hit the ground when you turn a curve so the bike is in essential made for small people adjusted a little bit just in height but that’s not the way to do it fuckers. Sorry because now I’m riding my 30 year old bikes with stainless steel steel frame stainless steel rims and a steel frame but an oversized frame which are not anymore anymore in the program even with the big enormous Dutch bike firms. Oh what do you hear so make your own custom made one yes of course but then you’re talking about a small fortune and then I rather buy directly a car then a bike. Hopefully you hear how annoyed I am because of the strict and marketing policies to only hit the biggest market and the smaller and the longer people are just annoying or just pain in the ass and oh are you going to fat because we cannot bike or walk. So a lot of anger is staggered and the stupidity nurse to say that she mono has the best gears it is the worst crap you ever imagine only for racing possibilities for the Tour de France but out of that the aloe is so in chest credible week. The lost really worthwhile stuff worse the jumping all on which I had on my two front due to but I’m recovering so I had to show that’s almost 10 years ago or more than. Now my €3500 M5-559 it’s just worth under 500 and with electrical maybe just hits thethousand mark. So I found a old bike repair man with quite a supply of all parts which lost forever when you install them and he maintains my three bikes one recumbent and two other bikes normal Dutch bikes. Two of them I made electrical with my bafang system on it. That is my blessing because these guys who really do their magic with all parts they scrap together are worth a lot and he isn’t even cheap so I got rid of all my stock gave it to him and until his pension plan and mine because we’re not far away he will have stock for the neighborhood have for the kids. And there is where we need to focus we need to learn kids and by example also the parents need to bicycle especially when you’re surrounding in the city just go on bike put your helmets on we in the homeland we have really hard heads and cheese on top of it so we are protected by the cheese in our head so but when you don’t put an example that you as a parent also try the bike than other all the people will also see the stupidity Ness of driving by car also for short distances. In another video maker just not for bikes he explains why they’re riding a bike in other places then especially Holland China and herb little parts of Germany or Belgium is even very dangerous and the infrastructure is just not fit for it and growing up with cyclists is a must to get bikes a place in the healthcare and the traveling mode.
lets say you want a front loading cargo bike for a person who is 5'10 and 180. It's being piloted by a woman on the shorter end. What is your recommendation?
We all see homeless people pushing a shopping cart or some kind of cargo carrier on wheels propelled by pushing it. Then they have to find a place to sleep away from prying eyes, which is really difficult to do since it is hard to hide the cart and the shelter. Most places won't even let them pitch a tent. Where do they go when rains comes down. How will they survive when it storms. Homeless people with more means can live out of their car, but that takes a steady but low source of income to pay for gas, insurance, registration, and car repair. What if we can make a 4 wheel bicycle that can carry cargo down low, and sleep up above the cargo section. And have an aerodynamic top covering to shelter the rider and cargo. This bicycle can be charge via public charging stations or solar panels on the rooftop covering. The cargo section can be fully enclosed to prevent theft. This bicycle would basically be a portable house on wheel, propelled by electric motors. Homeless people can just lock up and leave it and go try to make a living. They are not required to hang around guarding their belongings. Non-homeless people can use it for bike-packing where they don't need to pitch a tent to sleep.
I didn't know KTM made e bike, I used to have a dirt bike from them back in the day
Although they are now separate companies the seem to both hold up to the standard of the brand.
We are trying to build a eCargo trike. Can someone please help us with how the chain mechanism would work and how would the switch happen to shift to battery operation. Know any reference I can look at?
I put a kid on a jump seat every warm month. When we go to the pool, the kids want to ride. Son on the jump seat, older daughter on a scooter. My personal journeys are mostly on electric unicycles, so I don’t want to hear not being able to carry stuff. I carry 20-30 pounds on my back, and some in my hands.
Why no love for any of the Yuba’s? Are they no longer considered a good brand?
This intrigued me also since they are a US based company that utilise both Bosch and Shimano motors. Some very clever designs too especially the FastRack.
Thanks for this info packet, and timeline markings rock! 💪
I need a bicycle that will allow me to transport my camping gear (panniers) plus all other equipment and items needed for camping along with my two dogs on the bike.
I have an older MK1. Would it be possible to upgrade the software or even the motor?
as far as I know, a bicycle is considered a bicycle in Germany as long as it is not wider than 2.40m and longer than 12m. if electric only pedal assisted up to 250w.
Hello, I'm looking for a cargo to move beds & stuff like that, any idea of a good product to do that ? (I'm in France) Thanks !
I would love to see a similar list for people that can't peddle a bicycle. I have a knee that has limited abilities and doesn't bend well enough to peddle, but I can walk without issue. Other than the treadmill and maybe elliptical bike I am coming up short on ideas for human powered vehicles for people like myself, let alone a cargo option.
Could a recumbant work for you due to the different riding style? (Feel for you on the knee front, I broke mine in 3 places earlier this year).
I don't ask this to be unkind, but if you are unable to peddle, you would need a scooter right?
Or a hand-peddle bike
@@dan_rad recumbent bikes are still a problem, but they are easier.
@@AbigailArwen Yes, a kick scooter/bike would work well, but there aren't any cargo versions. I suppose I could use a delivery backpack or a light trailer.
Are there any front cargo bikes thats are 3k or less? I'm not paying 5-10k for an extra couple of pieces of tube
Bosch motor, Rohloff gearbox, electric shifting, OH, YEAH!
Love them. Hope they are available in the Philippines. A good replacement for cars tha uses fuel. Fuel here is very expensive. It is also also very helpful for climate change and for our health.
Good, well curated list..thank you. I'm likely going for cube
one of the best ways to prevent the fires from batteries during charging is to switch to lithium ferrite than the lithium batteries, one of the issues is the lithium batteries have an un controllable decompositions reaction when charging. the federal trade commission and the consumer protection commission could force this change. how to get their attention i don't know.
Who would you suggest to help with purchasing a Cargo bike in Canada?
@propel @chat any thoughts of tern vs multithinker rain/weather cover?
As an two-wheel-enthusiast I still find it strange, that my urban arrow cargo bike is about the same price as my Yamaha Xsr 700 motorcycle. You get much more tech in middle class motorcycle than in a cargo bike.
0:18 Does anybody know the brand of that fourwheeler with the "Tank Steering" driven by the man with the red jacket?
For a Europe Urban arrow are the best cargo bikes, but they are expensive. Fulco, for example, is in two times cheaper.
Hi! I have a question about the Riese & Muller bike. I'm thinking of ordering one but i need to know whether or not the top of the hardcover option is removable. If i were to carry an adult for example i can imagine their legs wouldnt fit if the lid is still partially attached like i saw on your older video on the 2020 load 75 with the hardcover. I cant find an answer anywhere so i thought i'd ask. Great video by the way!
Hi Willem, it is possible to remove, but not very easily. An adult in the load 75 should be fine with the hard cover though.
Is Benno ever going to offer an IGH?
I think there may be a future that we will see this, but at the moment their frames aren't designed to accommodate a belt so I'm not sure we will see it until some full redesign.
What's the general opinion about Brose motors?
You aren’t even focusing on bikes that are available in USA and most don’t even have optional add ons
I would like a video on cargo trikes with some for snow country. 🇨🇦
Nice video and beautiful collection of cargo bikes in all kind of sizes.
We just a bought a Bike43. A company that's quite new in the business. But I think it's worth checking out.
Wow the Gleam bike looks like it'd be awesome for camping.
Four-wheeled cargo bikes are not really bikes anymore; they're more like pedal-powered trucks!
Another bonus if car companies start looking at themselves as transportation companies instead, they’d hopefully be less focused on trying to keep people car dependant and more interested in advertising their whole range of transportation options instead.
Excellent vid - bakfiets for the win ❤️
Much appreciated! Bakfiets ftw!
Nice review
Thanks!
Funny not to mention the hyped and popular: Omnium Wifi E cargo
Check out Hagen steel cargo bikes.
Thanks! Those are cool!
BMW's trike has to be the best-looking and safer for children.
You mentioned aluminum frame to be lighter. Yes, it's lighter, but aluminum also has many bad characteristics. Aluminum stress cracks easily. Expect to get 2 years of shelf life & less when actually used.
Aluminum is great for racing or for semi truck trailers, where it's planned to dispose of said frame within 2 years.
Just like tires only have a 6 year shelf life.
Great video, but you really need to credit the GCN video clip you have at 07:35. I think Sy would be a bit miffed if you just nicked a part of his video without credit.
Thanks for the heads up. Maybe we need to make it bigger next time, but it is noted in the bottom corner of the clip.
brilliant video
Just curious to know why you never cover Bullitts even to mention them by name.
Not sure if you watched the video but i did mention them along with the reason why I don't sell or promote them at the moment.
Omg I want one!! Where can I get one?!
In my search for the perfect e-bike for me, they are all designed to be stolen easily. Quick detach wheels, peddles, seats, & batteries. No keyed ignition.
Are they only designed to go from a locked garage back to a locked garage?
I want a cargo e-bike that I can actually abandon, fully intact, while I grocery shop or go inside a restaurant. In the snow & ice, I want a trike & faster than 14 mph.
I ride Harley, 20+ years, everything locks up on it. I can leave it outside for months & not worry.
16:03 johnny watt tire.
Do you have any used cargo bikes for sale?
Yuba cargo bikes!
the Cago FS200 may find some challenges when marketing to Italy
Very interesting
Is Larry Vs Harry from Denmark
yes. The bullitt is from Copenhagen
I have a bunch cargo bike frame I would like to sell. It has one wheel in the front so it's a bike not trike but it's a frame only