Mortician and CatKong BattleBots Proving Grounds Fight 2
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- Опубліковано 24 вер 2023
- As promised, fight 2!!!
Mortician and CatKong, two middleweight robots that competed at Robogames, combined together as a multibot heavyweight to compete at BattleBots Proving Grounds in Las Vegas! This was run as part of their Destructathon live show, and this is the first of two fights, showing it from the perspective of the live show. We have all the intro and exit interviews with all the teams and the host Bill Dwyer.
If you get the chance to go see the live show in Vegas, you should go. It's a lot of fun!
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Doom precisely taking out those tires was impressive. I hope there's a rematch next season with Mortician's bigger, older and much scarier sibling.
Ray Billings: YOU WANT SOME MORE?
Martin Mason: OH YEAH!
I was lucky enough to watch this fight live and got to speak with Martin beforehand, so it was a real shame to see CatKong take itself out so quickly! Well done for continuing to put on a great show despite that bit of bad luck, we were rooting for Mortician right to the end!
Impressive! Doom has definitely gotten quite a lot better as of late. Especially with those precise shots to peel away the tyres!
Never knew Ian Davis participated in robot combat until you uploaded these fights. What a legendary man
Thanks ray! Have really really been missing footage of battlebots and fed up with the short vids. 😊
What an entertaining fight! Thanks for uploading these and giving us background to the builds, fantastic fan service!
Thanks for posting! Love these bots!
Doom looks ready for the call up.
What a great fight. Very professional and skilled drivers. Amazing!!
Very Interesting concept for a fight.Doom has a weapon that could do well in the next tournament and hopefully tombstone comes back also.
Cat Kong getting stuck shows why so many people run exposed wheels.
Ah nice to see Bill Dwyer still involved with BB!
He's having a really good time being involved too. It's good to have him back!
Yes its very cool, i always enjoyed his announcing and jokes commentary in early days of BB. He always had some hilarious remarks.
The little cat kong situation was unfortunate, but mortician really hung in there!
It looks like you are rather familiar with brushless, but are there any plans for it with tombstone yet?
just like my every ranked game.
Wow, quite a shock seeing you on the receiving end of those type of surgical hits. This Doom is really a bot to watch out for.
it looked like Doom learned to drive in the last 3 seconds of the match
Bro, mortician as bot that is way smaller than doom did a very big damage to its opponent. If it was tombstone, it ripped apart doom
Also have you concidered a Battle Bots V Car?
I'm sure allot of people would not only love that idea but many would appreciate the visual representation of how powerful these bots can be
So, i havent been keeping up with all the destructothon and stuff but what are they doing like, allowing the new bots and teams to come in and do test fights with real opponents so they can do trouble shooting and testing to see if they can be good enough for regular competition season?
That’s pretty much exactly what they are doing here. Part of the Destructathon show is what they call “Proving Grounds”. And new bots can get an opportunity to show off what they can do, and hopefully prove themselves worthy to be included in the TV show.
Too much pepper in the gumbo, Catkong.
This weight category is more interesting than the superheavies in my opinion
Could we potentially see some fights with Swamp Thing? Because Ray technically made him aswell
The first build of Swamp Thing many years ago was done by me. But the current build was done by our previous team mate Rick. I have no idea if he will post any videos of it or not.
We live and hope
did mortician and catkong take on doom 2 times?
2:51 love that bot summery
OOF
We need 3 medium bots vs 1 big bot.
Dude there is a wheel design idea I saw from a different bot that has inserts into the wheel then the rubber is cast around the tabs for better adhesion
Casting your own wheels has always been a choice, but they tend to be pretty heavy. And in this build the weight simply wasn't there to do that. We'll see what I can manage whenever I rebuild for down the road.
big design flaw exposing the tires like that, it's like asking the opponent to target them
Spoiler alert!!!
Wow mortician did really welk in this fight unforunately catkonk got stuck early but i that dint happen im sure you would have won😮
Ray is speaking a little faster.
Mortrican should try to put on tires similar to whiplash
The issue is weight. Solid tires are not light.
I think Ray said he regrets the type of tires he used. IIRC the tires mortician ran here weren't nearly as durable compared to what Tombstone uses.
catkong died in the start after failing to box rush :(
I love the enthusiasm. I love the technical expertise utilized and demonstrated by the participants. That said, THIS IS NOT A SPORT. There is ZERO physical prowess exhibited. No physical skill is required by the participants. No endurance is needed, no practice is required, no sacrifice is entailed in pursuit of a victory. There are things required of the participants. These things do not a "sport" make. There are many things that may be required to be successful in an endeavor, but not every competition is a "sport." Is artistic painting a "sport?" I don't know anyone would say that it is. Surely artists compete. They compete for attention and notoriety, GENERALLY. Sports are physical by nature. I may be a skilled card player, but calling an obese, drunk, with a winning poker hand a "sportsman" is so far out of bounds it breaks the definition. I love the robotic battles, but participants are not sportsman any more than the drunk with the winning poker hand. They are far more skilled from a technical and engineering standpoint, but I'm sure that doesn't translate into being winning poker players, and neither activity enables the participant to do anything physically better than the other.
While I agree that everyone can have their own opinions on these things, and I'll be able to sleep just fine even if you don't think of this as a sport, you're clearly uninformed about many aspects of this sport. Yes it's a sport to me :)
"no physical skill is required" - Seriously? Nobody ever seems to take into account how physically strenuous this is. Months of building requires absolute precision involving very heavy objects in a team setting.
"no endurance is needed" - dude I usually lose 10 pounds in a weekend at Robogames just sweating it out. It's not unusual for competition days to be 20 hour days, non stop work, that it takes weeks to recover from afterwards.
"no practice is required" - Not only do we all practice consistently, but it requires coordinated practice of the entire team. And the teams that practice more, do better at the events. Obviously the hand/eye coordination is all about practice, but the time crunch of repairs is also about practice and physical effort.
"no sacrifice is entailed" - This one is almost offensive honestly. I've seen competitors use duct tape to close up wounds so they can go have a fight, and then go to the hospital for stitches after the fight is over. Everything about this sport involves sacrifice.
This sport is like any mechanical sport, like car racing or motocross. All of the reasons you have stated for it not being a sport are simply wrong. It is absolutely a physically exerting activity, in a team setting, requiring practice and skill, against other teams. Just because you don't see the physicality of it doesn't change the fact that it is there.
@@ray9368 Wow! Thank you for the detailed response! Yeah, I still gotta disagree on the whole "sport" notion. The physicality you mention is incidental, not an intrinsic part of this activity. There is a difference between walking to the basketball court, and running up and down that court as part of that sport. It is true that walking to the court is required. Many parts of one's body may move in the ultimate pursuit of such an activity, but while actually participating in the audience-viewed portion of the competition, the physical requirements are thumbs & fingers twiddling with knobs and levers. I am not belittling the robot competition, but that level of activity is similar to that required by Tiddlywinks. Even the potentially strenuous task of lifting a large bot of its carrier & putting on the ground can be accomplished by others not tied to the remote controlling the robot, so that a participant in the competition can easily be spared that task as well. While manufacturing the bots, entire teams participate, some large, some small, but you've seen teams so large that a controller of a robot may not even be needed to turn a screwdriver. Compared that to a basketball team, football team, soccer team, etc.: everybody, prime player & bench-warmer alike, participate in STRENUOUS exercise. This requirement is not duplicated in robot fighting. You could have someone wheel-chair bound, roll on up to the area where the teams control their 'bots, and control away, utilizing only the tips of their fingers. I don't regard the use of only the tips of one's fingers as grand physical activity.
The loss of weight you experience is not because of the incredible physical labor you're putting into the preparing for the competition. It is due to stress, lack of sleep, and overwork. If you rolled in like a Zen Buddhist, with a totally prepared 'bot, you'd be as fat as Buddha because the preparation for the competition doesn't actually REQUIRE running, jumping, throwing, etc., etc. I understand the sacrifice participants make to create a winning 'bot. It is indeed asking a lot of people. High stress, sleepless nights, and unreasonable amounts of time committed is not unique to preparing 'bots. My last job routinely demanded 16 hour days, 7 days a week, week after week, at a minimum, with many 48 & 72 hour days sprinkled in just in case I was feeling too healthy.
"Practice" is required, however I know that not all teams have co-drivers, and some have a single "star" driver at the joysticks. The practice that IS a necessity is substantially the same practice required to drive an RC car. Is one born knowing how to do it? Of course not. Is it similar to Kobe Bryant throwing free-throws at a basket non-stop for years? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say "no." So again, I don't think it rises to "sport" level, the whole RC car driving thing.
I may not have worded the whole "no sacrifice" phrase I contended eloquently. I meant no insult. I know a lot goes in to the performance. Money, time, expertise, nerves, marriages, there are sacrifices that are made, but I doubt they rise to the level of a kid in high school on the football team, who then goes to college on as football scholarship, and then tries out competitively to get on a football team to play as a pro. Years, blood, sweat, and tears, weekend after weekend, year after year, and if that athlete is lucky they'll play for a few years before some part of their body gets destroyed. I have a co-worker that is an ex-pro baller. I have another that is really into the RC-thing. There is no comparison between the two as far as sacrifice before, and after, their chosen competitive endeavor.
I don't regard "motor-sports" as sports either, with some exception. I'd say your motocross example is far more sport-like than dudes in NASCAR. Does the NASCAR car get hot making the driver sweat a lot? Yes. But that driver isn't sweating because he's Fred Flinstoning the car around Talladega. He's sweating because the darn car is hot, he's (or she's) wearing a fire-retardant suit, and because Southern Alabama gets HOT in the summer (more importantly, it's that blasted HUMIDITY!). The sum total of the driver's physical requirement is to slink in and out a car without functional doors, and whatever minor muscle is required to always turn left. They call that a sport too, 'cept, it ain't. Tennis is a sport. Video Pong is not. Both take practice, some skill, some sacrifice, etc., but I think the different is more than obvious.
I am not belittling you, your efforts, your activities, your achievements, or any of the rest of it. Indeed, I'm watching the video because I admire what you do. I've been working with electronics & computerized gizmo for > 5 decades. I'm one of these "makers" that makes stuff instead of buying it. I don't make bots, but I've got all the tools & machinery required to do so right now in my garage (every hand & power tool imaginable, plus metal lathe, mill, and the raw materials in metal) right now. I love watching the competition. I hate the utter misery the losing team experiences when they fail, often unjustly (some tiny finicky part or wired connection, or some hazard in the arena), and empathize with them. I just don't think the sum total of the effort and work that goes into the whole affair rises to the level of "sport" the way the sports of high school P.E. class do. I don't mean to be a language nerd, ever the pedant, but I am listening to our English language dissolve around my ears, and I revolt at the notion that we are dumbing down language to the point that words don't mean what they should. We're already witness to the death of the adverb (largely), as well as such incorrect vernacular as "How are you? I'm good." and other linguistic idiocy. At this rate, in another 5 to 7 years, many will be mostly grunting and sending emojis in order to communicate. Not me, though. I hope you'll join and fight for the English language. It in no way diminishes what you do!
Thanks again for the response! Cheers, & keep on fighting (virtually)!
@@salvadormonella8953 As I said, I'm perfectly ok with the 'agree to disagree' thing here. I have competed in many classical sports, like basketball, soccer, baseball etc. I have competed in many motor sports, including motocross and drag racing. And now combat robotics. They are all competitions that include strenuous physical activity, practiced reflexes and skill, organized team structures, and well defined rules for competing and winning.
So for me - sports. I am ok if you feel otherwise :)
@@ray9368 Yeah, I don't mean to be numb, but I'm just not feelin' it. Robot to robot destruction is not a sport. Were the robots organic, you'd have a strong case, but their activity relies almost soley on electric power. That Orbitron team made a destructo-robot that has built-in AI. The creators don't even drive the thing. How is creating an autonomous robot in any way a sport? I'll tell you how: it's not. Driving using an RC controller is one step more physical, but the physicality is so bereft of effort that it is substantially similar. You mentioned yourself how much blood, sweat, & tears went into the design and manufacture of these gizmos. LOTS of stuff takes effort and sleepless nights. These characteristics in no way a sport make. As an athlete, you can appreciate more than most the disparity between, oh, say basketball, and "combat robotics." I'll give you another example in a likely vain attempt to rescue the English language: a soldier in combat expends more energy and effort, uses more skill, has trained harder and longer, and made brutal personal sacrifice in pursuit of honing his/her battlefield abilities. In no world I know of is armed, lethal conflict regarded as a sport. Both sport & combat have many preparatory actions in similar areas of effort, yet combat is NOT a sport. Wrestling may be. A soldier may indeed wrestle an opponent into the afterlife. People are even keeping score, keeping track of wins & losses. Armed combat: not a sport. Competitive eating: not a sport. Astronaut walking on the moon: not sport. Armstrong may have brought a golf club along for grins & giggles, but the moon landing & walking stuff = not sport. It took a lot of prep, honing of skills, exercise. Still not a sport. Fixing oil rigs in the deep ocean: not sport. Performance art: not sport. Defending family from violent attackers: not a sport. You catch my drift? You picking up what I'm sending out there? Just because something entails similar preparatory characteristics as a sport doesn't mean that activity is a sport. I've learned many, many things over the years. You may disagree with the statement I'm about to make, many have. Here goes: I am correct. It's a sad reality of life that my perspective is so astute that I have unsuccessfully swayed the opinions of many learned and studied people. That didn't make them any less wrong. At the end of the day, they wouldn't admit this. The human psyche is adept, almost hell bent, on preserving it's opinion and perspective that the holder of that opinion is correct, regardless of the evidence, regardless of how persuasive I may or may not be. Regardless, when their opinion conflicts with mine, in the overwhelmingly great proportion of conflicts, I'm right, they aren't. So you're free to disagree. I've enjoyed our discussion. I've debated neurobiologists with PhDs on the voracity of their contention, and I've still been right and they haven't been. They spend the majority of their life learning the minutiae of these arcane concepts, and sadly for their ego & pocket book, if I have contended something that conflicts with their stated position, I have been right and they have not. BUT, sell me. I am thus far unconvinced. Convince me. Put together a cogent argument so stunning, so breathtaking in it's insight that I have no choice but to concur. I want to be wrong. Convince me that I am. I don't have significant ego in this. I'm no robot maker/driver & TV personality like you. You've done all these magnificent things, so it should be easy. You've got the benefit of me not being a total dummy, having a modicum of education, some amount of experience in the larger world, and most importantly, as I mentioned, I'd like to be wrong. Do you know how much of a bother it is to be right all the time? It's kinda awful. Everybody comes to me for advice, but there is nobody I can go to. That damn buck stops with me and I'd like to send the critter packing. If you succeed I have the uber-bonus that now I can go to YOU for sage advice. That would be pleasant. If you fail, for me, this discussion is merely one more incident, in an ocean of incidents, where somebody un-cleverly thought they were right, and that I wasn't, and it yet again is exactly the opposite. I could easily write a book chronicling these incidents. Perhaps I will. Not today, though. I'll start writing that tome later this week, with any luck. Your turn now. :-|
Can you mail me the frame your going to ditch thanks
why has battlebots lost the charm?
Dooms weapon lacked power, you look at sawblaze or skorpios both would murder it, it just looks clunky and its deffo not ready for the big stage,
full credit to the team for trying and we can see doom improve, mad catter or Tombstone would make is at least a 5 trash bag wreck ...
love the uploads tho keep them coming
I never understood why you don't do something different with your tires/wheels? Big weak spot of yours.
For Mortician he's still using carefree tires because he didn't have weight for anything else.
If you mean why doesn't he put armor/protection around them? Because that would allow the bot a lot more positions where it would get stuck while with a fully exposed wheel there's always some part of a wheel on the floor to be able to drive off wedges or get out of weird situations (like when the gyroscopic precession keeps the weapon vertical and the bot is just windmilling).
I’m kind of surprised so many people tell Ray he needs to put wheel guards on Tombstone which he always says it’s a bad idea.
@@tigerrocks503chase8 I guess lots of people from the UK who got brainwashed by Jonathan Pearce telling them for years that exposed tires don't belong in the arena.
you really need to stop with open wheels ... you could make so much better bot
Its always the wheels, its just too out there