Is the Bible against women teaching in churches? By Apostle Arome Osayi
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- This Spirit filled sermon is here to educate the body of Christ on the scriptural truth about the place of women in ministry and disintegrate controversies around the topic.
How a Woman should run a Ministry according to the Scriptures. ua-cam.com/video/dIyJOf0rwuE/v-deo.html
The time for revival has come and the vessels for which God will use are the Lionesses. You are indeed a man of the Spirit an unusual voice in this last days, this was the same word the Lord gave me years ago when i was struggling whether to go or not in a field laden with men as the only vessels God is and will ever use in the field of ministry. Then i use to wonder why i was having such a strong calling and fiery urge to go into the ministry? My joy and peace was taken away until i answered the call. The ways of God are unsearchable indeed.
Amen
The bible says that in the last days the lord shall pour His spirit upon all flesh. The old men shall dream dreams, the young men shall see visions and the young women shall prophesy. Where are the young women suppose to stay to prophesy? Is it in their rooms? May the lord help the church.
What is "to prophecy?" May God help the rebellious generation
@@aroundtheworld4173 What is your definition of rebellion and what has it got to do with what I said?
@@jecintaaghedo1195 is prophesy leadership?
@@aroundtheworld4173 prophesy is not leadership, however, a woman with the gift of prophecy whose husband is not into the ministry and is called can function in the capacity of a leader. Deborah was a leader, a judge in the vineyard of God who led the people to battle when the king was afraid to go to war. Infact the king refused to go to war if she did not go with them.
@@jecintaaghedo1195 don't be confused madam, Deborah is no good example of biblical leadership. Look here:
Isaiah 3 (KJV)
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¹ For, behold, the Lord, the LORD of hosts, doth take away from Jerusalem and from Judah the stay and the staff, the whole stay of bread, and the whole stay of water,
² The mighty man, and the man of war, the judge, and the prophet, and the prudent, and the ancient,
³ The captain of fifty, and the honourable man, and the counsellor, and the cunning artificer, and the eloquent orator.
⁴ And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.
⁵ And the people shall be oppressed, every one by another, and every one by his neighbour: the child shall behave himself proudly against the ancient, and the base against the honourable.
⁶ When a man shall take hold of his brother of the house of his father, saying, Thou hast clothing, be thou our ruler, and let this ruin be under thy hand:
⁷ In that day shall he swear, saying, I will not be an healer; for in my house is neither bread nor clothing: make me not a ruler of the people.
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¹² As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
See?? Deborah ruled when israel had forsaken God, it is a bad example. In verse 12 God shows that it is not ok that women rule over men. Let us see how Deborah came to power:
Judges 4 (KJV)
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¹ And the children of Israel again did evil in the sight of the LORD, when Ehud was dead.
² And the LORD sold them into the hand of Jabin king of Canaan, that reigned in Hazor; the captain of whose host was Sisera, which dwelt in Harosheth of the Gentiles.
³ And the children of Israel cried unto the LORD: for he had nine hundred chariots of iron; and twenty years he mightily oppressed the children of Israel.
⁴ And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.
So Deborah judged at the time israel had left God, exactly as Isaiah said. Is is biblical truth madam, scriptures are clear about male headship. I can show you from Genesis, in the beginning, how God structured family as the basis of congregation if you wish.
as I watch this video,
I am filled with
999-trillion layers of:
rage and stress and grief and fear.
however,
I am praying
and intending
from this moment forward...
to have my life be changed around for the better.
for the best. for surrender.
for bliss, for joy, for magic, for miracles.
I accept and receive: perfect health,
abundant wealth,
and sacred love.
Amen
I pray that God will open the eyes of men to have understanding. So that they will stop making for doctrines the traditions of men.Apostle Paul in his teaching( Apostle Peter mentioned that some of Paul's teaching were hard to Understand 2 Pet 3 v 16.) Just the way he tried to emphasised the superiority of the man over the woman so he did also of the Jews over the gentiles. But in the new birth as there is neither Greek or Jew ,so there is neither male nor female (Gal 3 v 28) Jesus begat sons unto glory,not sons and daughters. I pray that you all have understanding 🙏
The Apostle Paul also wrote Galatians.
Wow see how my daddy is interpreting the word in the holy Ghost 🔥🙏✍️❤️
Many will say on that day "Lord, we did this and that in your name" their sin might just be not totally submitting to the word of God. May God help us
The place of women in pushing the mind and the will of God in our time is obvious and cannot be contested but a misunderstanding of the congregational worship we know will undermine the picture presented as the Ekklesia. The Ekklesia is like a family and the words of apostle Paul remains incontestable let us humble our selves and submit ourselves to the word not bend to accommodate our theology. The true church of christ emerges and nothing stops it though of little strength should kept the word of God and not deny His name.
@@ronniebattle1310 ughhhh
@@J_a_s_o_n Read Mark chapter 16:1-20. Ask yourself this question. Do you believe what it says? These signs will follow those who believe!
I have been searching all over
I have not seen a concrete evidence which they can pick from the scripture why a woman should preach or be the head in church...when a man uses his personal experience or thought then it becomes flesh
Anyghing you do ask yourself again ....
Is it what the scriptures says ??
Thank You sir , God bless
Scripturally, women should not head churches, you can watch more here, ua-cam.com/video/dIyJOf0rwuE/v-deo.htmlsi=NSFWfH9omEU1j2zw
Rom. 16:7. Did not say she is an apostle. But they were well known among the Apostles who were in Christ before him(apostle Paul).
@@ronniebattle1310 hey are you Aussie aswell 👍
Wow this is wonderful more grace ahead sir.😎
However, nothing stops a woman from exercising her teaching gift in ministry to other women (and children too)
This includes men too.
The problem is we are too carnal and don't see that God is a spirit and the battle is for SOULS not GENDER!
Kindly lets be spiritually enlightened and stop being carnal.
Hmmmm...I ask humbly, so if a woman sees a lost soul who is a male and she has the opportunity to preach Jesus to the man, should she ignore because she is a woman?
Is a married woman to answer to every man or to her husband?
Does every man have a right to decide the affairs of other people's wives or just his wife?
Hmmm!! may we allow the Holy Spirit to lead us.
@@apostlenneugele3323 your first question. Yes, a woman should preach the message of the gospel (ie, the message of repentance from sin and placing of faith in Jesus for eternal salvation) to a lost male soul. ALL christians are under obligation to do this. However,do not conflate this with the work of pastoring/or shepherding (which is what teaching and exercising of authority entails).
It beats me why it is difficult for you people to understand. It is clear. A woman CANNOT BE A PASTOR/SHEPHERD/BISHOP. The qualifications for this office excludes women. Get your definitions right (of pastor as against evangelist and other gift and offices in the church, get them right) and STOP arguing about issues that the scripture is clear on.
Your other questions are not relevant to the current debate in my opinion, so I won't respond to them.
Btw, in other news, you do not meet the qualifications for an apostle,so drop the title.
@@J_a_s_o_n are you spiritually blind? Are you carnal? Do you believe God is not a spirit? Do you believe souls are not at stake?
@@noelomada2439 You are Spot on - It's the Feminist Movement Rebellion since the 20th century that's caught on and it's indeed Jezebel ,This spirit that Jesus speaks about in the book of Revelation.
Thank God for this freedom 🙏 more grace sir
Changing times as bibles are available and most can read
The preaching becomes secondary
As the preacher can only give their
Interpretation of scripture
Also so many schools of doctrine
So best to study bible at home and
Trust in the infallibility of the holy spirit!
That same Holy Spirit to guide you to a true CHURCH. Jesus Christ did not form the church for nothing. Staying at home is a trap of the DEVIL
2cor11v14.15
The elect is a body of believers
Scattered thruout the world
That is the true church!
Also be not many of you teachers
As God will judge more strictly!
Again, 1 Timothy 2:8 before verse 11 makes it clear that the context of Apostle Paul's writing was a CONGREGATIONAL ('PLACE OF WORSHIP') CONTEXT.
Scriptural truth
Paul was sorting out a problem.in that particular church and area at that time. Few people understand Paul.
There are many women with God given offices
@@J_a_s_o_n
Hello, Gooday.
So, first it wasn't a "particular church and area" situation. Second it wasn't "Paul" who was attempting to sort out an issue.
You would remember that Paul brings up this matter also in 1 Corinthians 14 from verse 33 and he clearly states that it is a "command from the Lord" and that any one who thinks himself a prophet or spiritual in any other capacity must not ignore what he had just told them, else such a person too will be ignored.
More than that He makes it clear that this was the standard "as in all the Churches of the Lord" (v. 33) - so it was not in the context of a particular church.
Then about "many" women with God given offices, I think we need to be specific as to what we're dealing with here. But if you're referring the Five Fold (which I'd argue is actually Four fold) offices in Ephesians 4, then realize that their responsibility in any of those capacities were to be directed towards other Women and Children.
Apostle Paul made it clear that Women could and should Teach OTHER WOMEN and children, just as much as he made it clear that women could not be found taken any sort of Teaching role before a general congregation likely to have men in them.
Now there is the case of the couple Priscilla and Aquila, and the fact that THEY taught Apollos the message of Christ more perfectly, but it would be very important to remember here that this was not a reference to a CONGREGATIONAL SETUP, this was a simple case of a Godly man and a Godly woman teaching another Godly but not well informed man to better understand the Truth.
So can a Woman/Sister teach a Man/Brother? Absolutely! Just not in the congregation sense or setup.
I think the point that is often missed is that this is a matter of how The Lord has chosen the Administration of Liturgy to be, it is not merely a matter of gender biases or sentiments, it is rather a matter of the sacredness of the gathering of believers.
Still on the matter of offices, many times people falsely claim that there were female apostles name in the bible, namely JUNIA for example, this is absolutely untrue!
Apostle Paul said they were outstanding among the Apostles and with proper reading you'll discover that the meaning there was that they were people who were noteworthy as far as the Apostles' observation and commendation would go.
@@divinepraiseericc Bless you brother.
"Oiyel" dey your head!
@@divinepraiseericc well said
True teaching Amen.women can minster but they need acovering.
Again 1 Corinthians 14 sets the record straight.
Who was the covering on Katherine Kulmam
Yes.
The answer is yes.
The Bible is against women, teaching scripture.
So let’s go to the Old Testament. Did not Deborah prophesy was Deborah not a judge.
She was a leader & had authority even over other men but not her husband.
She had no authority over her husband ok,go and find out what a judge and prophet meant at that time,,she was subjected to her husband
@@onyesopromise6783l have studied this topic in detail in BIBLE school. Try do the same for comprehension. The only place women do not have outright authority as given by God is to her husband. This though does not mean men should laud their God given Authority over their wives. They should try always come to an agreement for the good of the FAMILY.
When there are disagreements , satan gets a foothold.
SIMPLE!
@@onyesopromise6783 she was not SUBJECTED to her husband , she was to SUBMIT to her husband.
Look at all the women in the OT from Sarah who submitted to their husband's led very good and peaceful marriages despite even some of the wives having higher positions in society than their husband's.
This scares many men who are basically immature IF the wife understand SUBMISSION as ordained by GOD.
Thank you
Thank you Apostle🙏🙏🙏
The letter killeth. Let's be sensitive enough to know and sense what God is saying beyond what is written. It is the Spirit that bears witness in our spirit about the workings of God.
If I were in the days of the early apostles, I might likely challenge Apst Paul that he was wrong in this matter just like he confronted Peter in his conduct with the gentiles. Aren't we same in Christ; why segregating Man and woman? True, a husband is the head of his wife, not that men are superior to a women but in the family context the man is the leader and a woman should follow his lead. This should not apply in the congregational context just like Apst Arome clarifies. Male and female can be vessels of God unto honour if they are yeilding. There is neither male or female in Christ but vessels by which the spirit of God find expression in whatever capacity.
@@ronniebattle1310 stop forcing people to go to your page. If it's God's will He will anoint it and people will be drawn to it. You are using CARNAL means to get " followers".
Stop it kindly ....
@@J_a_s_o_n Read Mark chapter 16:1-20. Ask yourself this question. Do you believe what it says? These signs will follow those who believe!
We have not apostles in our times. The last Apostle was Paul (1.Corinthians 4,9 and 15,8; Ephesians 2,19-21 and 3,1-5). We have only Evangelists, Teachers and Pastors nowerdays. - It is not allowed for women to teach, the scripture is clear about this subject (1.Timothy 2,9-15 / 1.Corinthians 14,34-38 / 1.Peter 3,1-6 / Efesians 5,22-23 / Colossians 3,18 / Genesis 3,16) !!!
Do we also have prophets now ?
I greet u all , the context of the scripture is clearly stated not just to the family as bro arome osayi has said but also congregational, Paul was not saying that a woman cannot teach God's word but he was addressing the issue of orderliness in the church, and moreover, I stand to be corrected , that junia was not ordained an apostle but rather she was fully recognised by the apostle, as a proof of her simplicity in the contribution of her work of faith in the body of christ. Thank you all
She was of NOTE amongst the APOSTLES; meaning she was one of them. Priscilla was also recognized by Paul as a colleague: the Greek word used there for helper is (SUNERGOS) meaning a COMRADE, and ALLY, or a COLLEAGUE. It's human doctrine to believe that a woman can't own a church. It all depends on the society and culture of where a woman is. God inspired Paul to say so so as not to grief the men whose culture or teachings of the fathers prohibited women from leadership; not because God was against it. But now our days, the world has move on. We have women accepted in every rule a man can play.
@@luhstephen3016 by your logic, Priscilla too was an apostle. By your logic, all these people are also apostles too; Aquila,Titus, Timothy, Luke, etc, and all of Paul's other 'helpers', 'colleagues'...
Go and get your definition of 'apostle' correctly. The contexts of both the injunctions that Paul gave wrt to the issue at hand precludes a "cultural setting" interpretation. Just follow the text!
@@noelomada2439 Priscilla wasn't an APOSTLE, but a woman who preaches the gospel to both men and women: because Paul called her colleague.
Greetings to you. Really, we know very little about "ordination' to ministry as we know it in the Bible. There is a verse in the Old Treatment about Samuel ordaining porters 1 Ch 9:15 and in the New Testament, Paul asking for Elders to be ordained in his letter to Titus (ch 1:5.) If you are referring to the laying on of hands, of all the apostles that must have existed in the churches (since it was an acknowledged, expected spiritual gift and the references to them, including Junia suggests there were many more) how many times is laying on of hands mentioned for them? Very few. The Bible doesnt list these moments for every apostle so it could have been done for Junia without a record of it, just like the others.
@@AnonyMe-qy5vz Encounter Ministries UA-cam page. (Mark Hemans)+
This is nothing but confusion.
That scripture he read is so clear and incontrovertible. The fact that Paul referred to the beginning of Adam and Eve to ground his argument is clear proof that he was trying to set a standard as it is in the original plan of God.
This is exactly Jesus method. When he was confronted with the question of divorce, he referred to the beginning in order to show God's original intention for marriage.
Paul was instructing Timothy on how the church should be ran and conducted. That's the very plain context of that scripture. It will have to take a very convoluted interpretation to evade that.
Andronicus and Junia were of repute amongst the apostles...the meaning is not likely that they or Junia was an apostle, but that the company of the apostles took note of their significant reputation and devotion. To read that and quickly say that they're apostles is curious because it's not obvious from the context.
It is curious that Jesus never had an Apostle who was female, even though she had other female disciples...it is also curious that no woman wrote the new testament.
The scriptures have given women a very significant ministry, but it is not that of teaching in a church context.
Leadership in the body of Christ is exclusively for men and that's includes teaching. A woman can exercise her teaching ministry but not in a church setting. They can teach women, youths and children. They can write books, do radio or video ministry, etc.
This is a FALSE DOCTRINE.
Junia had an apostolic calling? Wow...
..the Bible says they were of good reputation, well noted, they are well known to the apostles, ..who are of note among the apostles (kjv) meaning well respected, honored by the Apostles! Not mentioned anywere of the ministry.. Paul had the same help of ministry by Aquilla n Priscila, but had given Timothy to be in charge in Ephesus. In Luke 8:1-3, we learn that Jesus and the disciples had patrons, and they were often wealthy women. Luke tells us Joanna and Susanna were among “many others” who “provided for them out of their means” (Luke 8:3).
Similarly, Paul’s ministry was financed by women (Romans 16:2). A deaconess named Phoebe is identified as Paul’s “patron” or “benefactor” , a term that literally means defender or protector. She also used her money and influence to help the missionaries fulfill their calling. Others-like Prisca (Romans 16:5) and Lydia (Acts 16:14)-volunteered their homes.
Godly women in the church are called to teach and train younger women (Titus 2:3-5). They even have biblical examples to illustrate the goal (1 Peter 3:4-5). We are familiar with the woman described in Proverbs 31, an archetype of feminine character and productivity.
The Bible clearly defines the role of a Pastor:
1 Timothy 3:1-7 (KJV)
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
"The context for explaining the injunction wasn't congregational, it was the family". Does this mean then that the meaning of "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence" has changed to be "women should teach and exercise authority over men" because the context for explanation wasn't "congregational but family"?
If we're to accept this reason. I have a question; if God does not permit women to do all these in the home, is it in the church at large that He will allow for women exercising authority?
Sir it does not mean that at home the woman does not speak or guard her home, it's just that she should let the head (her husband)be senior, but she as the neck she can as well make decisions and teach the kids. A woman can exercise authority under her husband.
LIAR, BEFORE EVERYTHING ELSE GOD ALMIGHTY HAD TO ESTABLISH A HIERARCHICAL STRUCTURE OR AN ORDER AS TO ALIGN THE MINISTRY OR THE FAITH AS TO MAKE SURE THINGS FALLS INTO PLACE, AND ORDER IS MAINTAIN.ASK YOURSELF WHY APOSTLE PAUL BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE OF SIN BY THE WOMAN IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN.SHE WAS PLACED IN THE GARDEN WHERE ONLY ADAM WAS IN CHARGED BEFORE EVEN THE WOMAN WAS CREATED IN ADAMS FLESH.ADAM WAS IN CHARGE NOT THE WOMAN BUT SHE DECIDED TO CONSPIRE WITH THE SNAKE AND ATE THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT. LISTENING TO THE SNAKE (AKA LUCIFER) INSTEAD OF ASKING AND GETTING A GO AHEAD FROM ADAM AS HE WAS IN CHARGE OF THE GARDEN.SHE OPENED THE DECEPTION WINDOW, ALLOW THE ENEMY TO CREEP IN TO THEIR PLACE OF ABODE AND GAVE THE DEVIL CHARGE, BREAKING GODS ORDER WHICH GOD HAD MANDATED TO ADAM NOT EVE.FROM THAT DAY GOD ALMIGHTY, COULD NOT NOT FOR A SECOND ALLOW A WOMAN TO TEACH OR PREACH MAN NOR USURP AUTHORITY OVER MAN...BECAUSE SHE AGAIN WOMAN ARE WEAKER VESSEL EASILY DECEIVED... PERIOD.THEREFORE, THERE IS NO CONFUSION IN THIS,SINCE WE ALL KNOW GOD IS NOT THE GOD OF CONFUSION BUT THE DEVIL.NEXT TIME WHEN DEALS WITH GODS MATTERS DON'T BE ENGULFED BY EMOTIONS AND MEN'S OPINION.ASK THE HOLY SPIRIT FOR HE IS GOOD TEACHER THANEN.AMEN.GOD BLESS.
Mary Madgalene was the first evangelist commissioned by Christ himself . John 20:17
If God did not want women to teach and wield authority, why did he anoit many e.g Kathryn Khulman. A woman can head a church under Christ directly but is not allowed to be the Head of the home. That one is not allowed.
@@MercyandAgape all christians are evangelists in a certain way. For we are all under obligation to spread the gospel. Your reference doesn't support women pastors.
Anybody can claim anything, but we all must ensure that such claims align with the plain precept of the word of God. We cannot allow people to raise their so-called revelations above the word of God. Kuhlmans claims contradict the Bible. I'll rather 'ditch' her and whatever 'revelations' she received than ditch a clear injunction in the Bible.
Shalom.
@@wendyjemima7915 the question is still unanswered: does God permit the woman to teach and exercise authority over the man? Either in church or at home?
By extension, summations about Kuhlman and Meyer means that whatever the Bible says, even when it is unequivocal, is of no consequence provided someone or anyone feels/thinks to the contrary. In other words, the Bible is not enough.
No sir if you are truly of Jesus Christ, you will know if the power of God is or was moving in these women's lives.
Perhaps you should ask God why He's calling women to ministry, it's not just a saying but something I personally know. And it's not women's fault to respond n accept the calling. It's not easy to be a female teacher, So let God Himself be the final judge coz none of you know how He calls pple individually. God bless you sir🙏🙏
@@wendyjemima7915 how can the same God who forbade women from teaching and exercising authority over a man call you in to a so-called "ministry" where exercise authority over men and teach them. If you claim God called you into such, I'd rather stick with the Bible than believe you.
You people will be exalting your feelings and opinions over the clearly revealed injunction of God. You better repent.
Not really.
You my friend do not know the Holy Spirit and depend on your IQ which counts for zero in the Kingdom of God
@TheDay HeMade which group of people did God forbid from eating pagan foods or eating with pagans?
Your question is not relevant to the discussion.
@TheDay HeMade law and grace. That's the difference.
If we are to stick with the law, only the Jews can be saved and be with God
I agree with you
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
You may choose not to agree with this. But I have these questions though, why did Jesus himself commission Mary Magdalene the first evangelist in John 20:17?
Why did God give grace and anointings to people like Kathryn Khulman who demonstrated the power of God in her own time?
Could it be that in the time of Paul, Paul said these things to 'tackle confusion' that was been caused in the church?
Could it be that usurping authority and the command to be under obedience was instructing men who were loosing control over their wives in the 'home context' which reflected in the church and caused confusion to get things back in order?
Could it be that the law Paul was referring to was the law of the land in his times and not the law of Moses (since after the coming of Christ we are not longer under the law but under grace and the law of LOVE)?
@@MercyandAgape the problem with men here is they do not understand the times and culture of the people then. Women were child bearers and had alot of chores so going to worship daily was not possible that's why they knew less. Culture of that church too demanded men and women to sit separately. Women on one side and men on the other.
Paul was sorting a particular problem in that CHURCH.
HE wasn't declaring a WORLD RULE. Between a husband and wife - Man is of authority.
What people don't understand is now more women go to church than men. In my church it's almost 7 to 1 now.
Who will God use?
God sees spirits in His image - Gender is not an issue.
Souls must be won.
And Yes I am a MAN!
You mentioned Kathryn Kuhlman ... see how God used her powerfully ...yet a believer because of stubbornness will even say it was demonic
Some people make me sick !!
@@J_a_s_o_n Thank you
@@MercyandAgape it's these false theology schools without the Holy Spirit that leaves people worse than before. I actually call them CEMETERY not SEMINARY.
How do you go to bible school for years and all you have is head knowledge?
You can't even cure someone's headache?
The APOSTLES left Jesus School.and shook the WORLD!
Why are people so blind ? We are supposed to raise dead people, heal etc , spread the gospel with power ...
Am sure the devil just laughs at schools with lip service about God...
It's so sad...
@@MercyandAgape John 20:17? was NOT a COMMISSION. Anointing was for PROPHESY. NO need for could be, or should be the sripture is PLAN. 1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
Several other translations of the Bible also renders this verse of the Bible in the same way. Read it for yourself
This brother needs to read the book, Ten Lies the Church Tells About Women, written by Grady, and his, 25 Tough Questions About Women. Brother is doing a great disservice to the body of Christ. He needs to be retaught.
Again, educate me please. Who are the pioneers of these women's ministries?
I've just one question for you,with the way you think women should be treated,if you were to be born a woman,how happy would you be in this damn world with so much restrictions?
@@jenniferokafor3156 ask Apostle Paul. Ask Jesus. Ultimately, ask God.
How happy are you with the 'restrictions' of say, the ten commandments? Such reasoning as yours (borrowing your terms) is exactly what happened in the garden--questioning, rationalizing disobedience to simple, explicit instructions.
It's not for me to fathom the rationale behind a command. Faith demands that I trust Him enough to obey, even when it doesn't make sense...
@@noelomada2439
With all these things you said you still didn't answer the damn question!
men and women in church, as in marriage is symbolic, men represent Christ as the head of the church (women), thats why only men can have ministry, because Christ is the head of the church, and not the other way around. Men and women are equal, in church and in marriage, both were created in God's image, yet they dont have the same roles, Jesus is equal to the Father (Trinity) yet He (Jesus) subdued Himself, He is still as important and as equal as the Father, but He has a different role, its not a men vs women issue, its accepting what God gave to men and women, I know women who say women shouldnt have ministry, and there are men saying they can have ministry.
Again, its not men vs women, Jesus showed respect both towards men and women, we are equal before God, there are things men cannot do that women can and vice versa, so let us fullfill our duties how God intended them for us to do it :) God bless to all!
Men and women are not equal in marriage.
WRONG!
Man is the head of the house and has authority
Just like Adam and Eve
Abraham & Sarah - submission " calling him.my lord"
All women who submit have wonderful marriages
On Ministry you have it twisted. Read Ephesians 11 from verse 10 onwards
Gifts given by Jesus Christ are not done by Gender
Look at today's world.
10 to 1 ladies go to church or read the bible.
Who is supposed to teach the man who has refused to go to church? The children ?
PLEASE reason and let the Holy Spirit guide you
@TheDay HeMade you misunderstood, the church obviously has ministry and it needs to have ministry, men are obviously also a part of Christs body, men and women are equal before God, they just have different roles and responsibilities
@@J_a_s_o_n allrighty, men and women are equal before God since both were created in God's image, they have different roles tho, now abt what u said if a man is unwilling to go to church, then women can tell the men what it was abt, the only thing that I was stating is that women shouldnt have ministry, that is a job God made for men, this isnt a saying men are more or that they have special capabilities, ofc not! Im not someone to say that, but paul in one of his letters writes abt women not being allowed to have ministry, I think its one of his letters to timothy, I will edit and tell u
Edit: alr, go read 1 timlthy 2:11-14 it also gives a reason there, again, its not that men are superior, men are NOT SUPERIROR to women, they just have different roles, I thank you for your share in opinion
If Christ is the Head of the Church then why is Christ not the One ministering to people but He does the ministry using the Church
We must be careful when it's comes to the Word of God
If this is based on Christ being the Head of the Church then even men must not be in ministry its must be only Christ who should be in ministry
I really agree with Apostle Osayi
@@sbusisiwenewearthndlovu6965 in marriage, the husband is the head of the wife. Itd a symbol of Christ and the Church, plus paul offers a good explanation there in 1 timothy... something, I think I already wrote it down, where he tells us its not just those specific women, but its bc Eve was deceived, not Adam by the snake (obviously, Adam id also at fault) its not men vs women, its that they have different roles, and whatever roles God gives us, those are the ones whe must be doing
Romans 16:7 Andranicus and Junia were known to the apostles, not that they were apostles. This Is Supported By the fact that they were early converts (in Christ before Paul), suggesting that they might have been in Jerusalem in early days of christianity to be known to apostles. No where in the scriptures does it mention anyone other than the twelve as the apostle
Which BIBLE do you read ? Wait ... you are REFORMED right ?
@@J_a_s_o_n I know nothing about reformed, I only read scriptures. Now, tell us which version of the bible you read from. I use KJV and other versions plus STRONG. Actually some versions for example Revised Standard specify that Andronicus and JUNIAS were MEN because in the original Greek it is written JUNIAS not JUNIA as translated by TWO VERSIONS ONLY, KJV and ESV. What apostle Arome is teaching is unscriptural, you cannot make reference to Joyce Meyer and Kulman because they are but humans. The word of God is very clear no woman is to teach in presence of men.
@TheDay HeMade from verse 2 through verse 15 Paul is talking about husband and wife, then at verse 16 he introduces church setting:
“But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, NEITHER THE CHURCHES OF GOD.”
- 1 Corinthians 11:16 (KJV)
Now, from verses 17 he talks about churches. This chapter us in two parts, very clear. If any different view let's share. I can explain in depth
@TheDay HeMade 1 Corinthians 11 (KJV)
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³ But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
>> This is godly order in the family. Man is the head of woman, Paul is not talking about church, the setting is about man and woman:
(((Ephesians 5 (KJV)
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²² Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
²³ For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
²⁴ Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing))).
So it is not about church but family.
⁴ Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
>> This means dishonoureth CHRIST who is his head. Praying is not necessarily done in church, it can be at home as well. So this standard is at home and therefore in church as well because family is the foundation of the cgurch. The same applies to prophecy, this can happen at family prayer as well.
⁵ But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
>> Woman with her head uncovered dishonours her HUSBAND. Men unlike women are to have short hair. Woman shaving her hair is shameful because she will look manly. Praying with her head uncovered is being like a man who is supposed to uncovers his head.
⁶ For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
>> If uncovered let her be shorn, OR be like a man. This isn't an alternative but rather Paul indicates that a woman being shorn is like rejecting her place as a woman and wants to be like a man.
⁷ For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
>> The man is 1. the image of God 2. the glory of God. The spirit breathed into Adam is the image of God. When at home during prayer time the woman needs to cover her head because the man (husband) glorifies in her beauty. Women are always busy with their hairs as symbol of beauty.
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²⁶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
²⁷ So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them))).
God created a man in His image (HIM)first, then He separated the woman out of the man. That is why Paul says the man is the IMAGE and glory of God.
The woman is THE GLORY OF GOD, because she was taken out of man. She is part of the man, that is why at marriage they become one flesh. Marriages nowadays are destroyed by this because we have made women independent souls contrary to the word of God. Adam glorified himself in Eve:
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²³ And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man))).
⁸ For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
⁹ Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
>> These two verses should clearly show that Paul is talking about man and woman. So Corinthians 14:2-15 is about husband and wife and their prayer life.
No sir, not known, but of NOTE; secondly, not of NOTE by the apostles but amongst them: meaning one of them. The Greek word there (IPIGINOSKOS) which would have meant (KNOWN); but the Greek word used by Paul is the word (EPISEMOS), meaning significant or remarkable in the community of the apostles.
Does the Bible really say the woman will be purged of her propensity to be deceived?
So you judge all women according to Eve's deception?
Why not ALL men according to Adam's rebellion?
That means you don't understand why Christ shed His blood for mankind ..
@@J_a_s_o_n how's your question related to my question?
@@noelomada2439 the correlation is clear. Read slowly for comprehension.
@@J_a_s_o_n the "apostle" makes a claim that the Bible said such and such. I asked if the Bible actually said that.
How is your question related to my question?
@@noelomada2439 Encounter Ministries UA-cam page. (Mark Hemans)+
Please educate me, who's authority is Joyce Meyer's ministry under? Does Meyer herself hold/agree to this view?
Her HUSBAND is the ONE RUNNING THE ALL MINISTRY (DO A RESEARCH)
That Joyce Meyer feels she's called to do what she does not make it right that she does what she does. Whatever any man feels/does should not/ought not to upturn an injunction that is as clear as the noonday sun.
I'm surr you know that you're playing fast and loose with the Word of God here
Noel how would you as a person know she is not in her calling?
Stop guessing stuff here and ask the Holy Spirit.... you theologians think you can fit God in your heads yet you can't prove God's power through you as a vessel.
Sit DOWN, put your pride aside and let God use you.
God doesn't care about your theology degrees !
What did Peter have yet He spoke as one who even astonished the scribes ?
What of Jesus Christ?
Sit down young man....
God loves you! Submit to Him
@@J_a_s_o_n sorry. You sound like you are sulking.
I still stick with my Bible. Over and above your 'experiences' that come from the devil. Experiences that contradict the Bible.
To be an Apostle according to Paul and Peter- you must have observed the resurrection of Christ. Pastor or Minister would be a more appropriate term.
Ephesians 4
Eph 4:11 (NKJV)
Eph 4:11 NKJV -
1 I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called,
2 with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love,
3 endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift.
8 Therefore He says:
“When He ascended on high,
He led captivity captive,
And gave gifts to men.”
9 (Now this, “He ascended”-what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,
13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;
14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting,
15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head-Christ-
16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.
Kindly read from Ephesians 4:10 onwards
Lord have mercy
Paul and Peter were Apostles they were chosen by Jesus Christ before time by the God HEAD.
Ephesians Chapter 4 from verse 10 onwards will prove that to you
@TheDay HeMade Mark 16:7 -14. The first time he appeared to Mary (mother) and Mary Magdalene. The second time he appeared to ALL 11 disciples. Mathias was chosen to replace Judas. He later appeared to Paul.
English Standard Version
"Greet Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners.~ *They are well known to the apostles*~, and they were in Christ before me."
This verse cannot be interpreted to mean that Junias was an Apostle. It only means that she and her husband Andronicus are highly esteemed by, well known, popular among the apostles
That ur interpretation looks like it's from the Senses: it's aimed at suiting ur religious narratives simply because u are very unrepentant of certain heretic ideologies. That word didn't say of NOTE by the apostles: but of note AMONGST the apostles; that means, of (distinction) Amongst the APOSTLES. The Greek word used there for Note is (EPISEMOS) meaning distinct; it's also means of SIGNIFICANT. She was remarkable amongst them.
Junia was an Apostle. Stop changing the Bible to suit your narrative.
@@Tastendream Junia WAS NOT AN APOSTLE.!!!
Go and check multiple other translations (since you and I do not read the original Greek) in order to get the true/accurate translation of the verse.
If anything, you (and your so-called apostle) are the one the ones "twisting" and misinterpreting scripture to suit your narrative of women apostles.
More so, there's no historical precedent for your belief (that there were women apostles) or interpretation all through early church history. Drop your sentiments and follow the text!
@@luhstephen3016 refer to my reply to @victoria okusenogu
@@noelomada2439 I just gave it to u in the greek: that word isn't the word known, but the word note; meaning distinct and significant.
A woman as a Pastor of a Church is a sign of judgement on that specific church. Are you telling me that out of that entire congregation, there is not one man who is worthy to take up the mantle of Pastor? So the wife is preaching to her husband in the congregation? That alone is a warning sign for me. A woman does not have spiritual authority over a man however she can minister (help) just like Mary and Joanna did to Jesus. Women have a serious role in Church, teaching the children, nuturing them into the Word of God. Just because we cannot be elders, pastors or bishops, does not mean we are not worthy or appreciated. We cannot ignore that there are gender specific roles in God's Church......ofcourse feminists will disagree and state that anything a man can do, a woman can do just as effectively or even better.
Please, if the Holy Spirit sends you to preach or teach in the congregation will you disobey Him under the guise that you are a woman?
Have you wondered about the fact that God is not waseful. If there was no place for women in ministry, why would the Holy Spirit reside in women too.
Remember, you have the Holy Spirit and power in order to bear witness of Christ in every area.
Also, it is important for us to really encounter Jesus personally and not just run on the perceptions of others.
It is important for us to engage the Holy Spirit on matters with unbiased minds and we will be grateful for HIS leadings
Check Galatians 3:28.. There is neither Jew......., there is neither male nor female: for ye all one in Christ Jesus.
God bless you sister.
@@apostlenneugele3323 The Scripture you quoted from Galatians has succumbed to a number of pitfalls in terms of interpretations today. When Paul made that statement, it was for the Jews who went through all the requirements of the Torah and believed that the Gentiles were getting a free pass to God. Paul was explaining that everyone, Jew and Gentile, bonded and free, can now become part of the Body of Christ through accepting Jesus as their Lord and Saviour, because He died so that we all can be free and we can all go directly to Him, including women and even hermaphrodites who are born with both male and female sexual organs. Paul saw the division which was taking place in Christ Church because the Jews were frustrating the Gentiles by telling them that they have to engage in circumcision so that is the context of that verse. So the Holy Spirit will never contradict the Word of God. Scripture makes it very clear, word for word in the Acts of the Apostles that women do not have spiritual authority over man. I am a teacher of the Scripture to children, I fast once a week for 24 - 48 hours. I do not drink, I do not watch series, movies and I do not listen to any other music but Scripturally sound gospel. Why?......so that I can remain so close to God that I do not misinterpret His Word, so He can see my hunger to continue to dwell in the secret place of the Most High God, so that I do not backslide. Do I ever fall short of the Glory of God, ofcourse I do, even with all the things of the World that I no longer have any interest in thanks to the Holy Spirit but I repent and I thank God for His underserved favour. So I am not commenting as a person who is living an unrighteous life, I practice The Word and I reject the enemy. I have come to realised that the World is a distraction and some men, even though they have received worldly appointments and worldly authority to preach as Pastors, Bishops etc. are not spiritually appointed by God and by that I mean authorised. The Holy Spirit has blessed me with the Gifts of Tongues and Prophecy, I am married and enjoy every day the Lord gives me. Before I even go into the Word, I ask God to open my eyes to see the Truth and my ears to hear correctly His plans and purpose for me as a woman of God. I plead with God to help me to always be obedient to His Word. Sometimes we hear our own thoughts and say it is the Holy Spirit. Do women have permission from God to have spiritual authority over men? Simple question, Yes or No. The answer my friend is no, and for Preachers/Pastors who take His Word and mislead others, judgement will be much more harsh for them. His Sheep follow His Word. It was the woman who was deceived from the very beginning. If a voice is telling a woman to do otherwise, I can assure you, that is not the Holy Spirit. For any woman who is reading this, we all have an important purpose in God's Church, we are to guide the younger ones and fellow women, mothers etc. Please note that is not a wasteful purpose, that is our mantle as women as God and it is an important one. Paul addresses women as "co-workers," and he highly regarded them (Philippians 4:3; Colossians 4:15). There is no scriptural evidence in the Bible that women are not to serve as worship leaders, youth ministers, or minster to other women. The only restriction is that they do not assume a role of spiritual authority over adult men. Simple and straightforward. Do not be deceived by the enemy. May God continue to open all our hearts to declare His Word and may we all be attentive and obedient to His instructions regarding the role of women in His Church, Amen.
Amie Sample McPherson, Kathrine Kulman etc
@@kole1ful thank you that list is endless
@@apostlenneugele3323 thank you.
God is interested in souls not GENDER.
The only place a woman has no authority over a man is in marriage.
Jews were taught by rabbis and Paul said he was Jew first. He is the only one who didn't want women teachers and preachers. When Jesus came out of the tomb, the first people he saw were the women. They ran to tell the men in the Upper Room the news. This was the first gospel spoken in the New Testament and told by the women who followed Jesus
Nope, don't make up things. Jesus himself taught his apostles the gospel. Women informing men that Jesus is risen was the message from angels, meaning the angels were the first to preach the good news.
You lack scriptural foundation, Paul was sent to the gentiles, that is why he teaches that. The other apostles were ministering to the jews, did you expect them to teach jews HOW THEIR WOMEN ARE TO COVER THEIR HEADS? Instead what we should expect is Peter and the rest of the apostles to attack the jewish tradition (according to you) of women covering their heads because it was widely practices among the jews. Paul is teaching gentile women that covering their head is not cultural but from God. Do you think that jewish women went to church with their heads uncovered to prompt the apostles to jews to warn against it?
@@aroundtheworld4173 your point ?
First if you knew Paul a bit (and I am sure you do), then you'll know that He certainly was the one that was LEAST INTERESTED in the Jewish Culture after his conversion, especially when they interfered with the Christ-given Liberty of the saints.
Yet when it came to this matter of Women teaching in general congregations he made it clear that the instructions he gave were a command from the Lord (see 1 Corinthians from verse 33).
@@divinepraiseericc Also I would add that Paul was an apostle to the GENTILES unlike other apostles. It is not surprising what he teaches the gentile church because jews already new these instructions. We the gentiles needed to hear this to know how to conduct ourselves in churches. It is the reason why also the other apostles NEVER condemned the practice of head covering is though it was practiced everywhere in the early church. No apostle ever taught that it isn't necessary for jewish women to cover their heads because it is cultural.
I don't believe this teaching.
Is either we believe the Bible or not
The case is not that a woman is not supposed to teach. But that a woman is not supposed to teach over men, and yes the context is of family but also a CONGREGATIONAL (1 Corinthian 14), as scripture balances and explains scripture. Meanwhile Adam and Eve Represents not just family but Humanity and THE CHURCH (whilst they were yet in the garden).
A woman can be called into teaching and can very well teach Women and Children, while having a MALE Pastor over her. And that's exactly what Scripture teaches.
I have been blessed by some of JOYCE MEYER'S teachings but I have observed biblical errors in some of her teachings. The point is not that men would not make errors, but that Joyce Meyer teaching over men is NOT BIBLICAL just because she seems to "TEACH RIGHT".
What makes a thig right before God is not just the content but the means.
It is like doing all the "right" things we find in the bible and not submitting to the means of Jesus Christ for Salvation.
You are biased as a man so it clouds your judgement.
Take time and in sincerety ask the Holy Spirit to guide you instead of baseless arguments
I believe Joyce Myers is a motivational speaker, using one or two biblical scriptures.
@@J_a_s_o_n this your kind of thinking is the reason why Christianity is in trouble. Did you just say he should close his Bible and be asking the holy Spirit for understanding? That's how you people and your apostles hear evil spirits and think it is the Holy Spirit, because you will not study the Bible to understand the more sure word of prophecy, you're looking for some subjective spirit to speak to you... even if this so called spirit contradicts the Bible, you don't mind
@@ezidimmakenneth7927 you must be kidding me Kenneth. You do know that the Holy Spirit inspired the BIBLE right? Who knows the BIBLE better than Him?
FYI l have spent my time and resources to go through bible school.
What about you ?
You start insulting Apostles and people online with your head knowledge of who God is yet you can't prove to anyone His existence.
Take a seat be HUMBLE and learn from those God has chosen to use as VESSELs.
Shalom
@@lorettalormie6166 your beliefs are unfounded because you have not done any homework at all to find out what her ministry is about.
Just what you hear ...it's called GOSSIP
Pls read your Bible pple because this pple re unrepentant. The road is narrow, ur clothes and ur house will not enter there with u ok. Apostle on the last day God will answer both u and u, because I just watched u turned the Bible up side down is a big shame.
"Apostle"??? Looking so young for someone at least 2 thousand years old!
Lol...
I love your sarcasm
Apostle pls go back and ask the Holy Ghost to teach you more, because what I understand in ur explanation is CANAL.
This the a very shallow And senseless response. The same holy Spirit that told Benny hinn to collect money from people in the past for a miracle now told him it is wrong to do so. That's how confused you and that thing you're calling "holy Spirit" is.
The written word is the More sure word of prophecy. You do well to pay attention to it as to light shining in the darkness, until the light shines in your heart.
@@ezidimmakenneth7927 CARNAL PEOPLE
@@hopegoodhea5387 Encounter Ministries UA-cam page. (Mark Hemans)+
The sister Junia was not an Apostle in the sense of the OFFICE she was an apostle is the sense of a FAITHFUL MESSANGER OF and MINISTER TO THE CHURCH and the APOSTLES. The word APOSTOLOS is generally used in the sense of a DELEGATE apart from the sense of the OFFICE.
Again Kathryn Kuhlman is not our standard and NO SHE IS NOT AN APOSTLE, we (CHRISTIANS AND OFFICERS IN THE BODY) can operate with apostolic grace because of alignment with the culture handed down to us by the APOSTLES, it does not make for one being an APOSTLE.
And no, she did not bring back the "LOST ECONOMY" that gave birth to "US".
Meanwhile God can still achieve HIS PURPOSES INSPITE OF UNBIBLICAL PRACTICES however we are called to insist of FAITHFUL AND WHOLESOME TEACHINGS OF SCRIPTURE.
OUR CONVICTION DOESN'T COME FROM KATHRYN KHULMAN NEITHER FROM JOYCE MEYER (BOTH WOMEN WHICH I LOVE AND RESPECT)... OUR CONVICTION IS BY THE SPIRIT IN THE LIVING WORD OF GOD.
You do know that the Holy Spirit is alive and all knowing and is everywhere right now and inspired the scriptures right?
Why is it so hard for you to ask HIM the TRUTH ???
HE knows it all yet our stubborn human nature because some of us went to theology school know it all ?
Surely it's time for spiritual maturity
If you know the whole bible and haven't experienced the Living God all is in vain.
Wasted time .
Stop lying to YOURSELF... you know the BIBLE but don't know the AUTHOR !!
@@J_a_s_o_n you're not serious. That's how you'll hear evil spirits.
The Bible is the only standard and we must judge whatever anyone preaches by it. To close the Bible and be looking for some spirit to speak to you, you're wasting your time
Eve Phoebe was a Deacon, in scripture go and research
@@chiomaezedi9955 it is you that needs to go and search for the role of Deacons in the early church. It had nothing to do with preaching or teaching.
Deacon were leaders. He gave instructions to others on the running of the church, which you will call usurping 😊
On this I disagree with you. The bible is very clear and you need to repent on this message because you will account for every word. Same with the issue of adornment wearing of weaves wigs braiding make ups wearing of earrings gold bracelets and all forms of jewelry.
So, God frowns at women wearing ornaments. What is your understanding of Ezekiel 16:7-13?
Seriously 😲?
Edward go slowly ....
I can't go slow on lies because the devil has deceived most women and many women are falling in hell for these hairstyles and braids
@@edwardmwalukware9734 What is your understanding of Ezekiel 16:7-13?