This was even harder than the LA2A’s. Have now been listening to these back and forth with good headphones - eyes open, eyes closed (ears wide open 😃) - and I can say that all the differences are so minuscule that I lean towards them being just almost imaginary like only psychological (or psychoacoustical) misperceptions when I know that NOW I should hear a difference because I see you switching the source, or if my eyes are not open, know that you will do it. Yes - there seems to be slight differences, but are they “real” or just expectation biased? Good job again. Can’t wait to hear the Pultecs! Cheers - Kippis!
There's so little difference that the device used becomes irrelevant. To be honest, I think it's the engineer that makes the difference. I've taken a mix that I've completed and then used completely different devices, and the track sounded almost indistinguishable. I knew what I wanted to hear, and then dialled in the sound I wanted - irrespective of the device; hardware or plugin.
After the Pultec comparison I’d love to see a comparison of Empirical Labs’ Distressor and it’s plugins - UAD, Kiive, IK Multi etc… idk if you can get hold of a real unit but this shootout would be enlightening for some I think!
I gave up several years ago trying to tell the difference in a full mix. I’ve still got some great pieces of hardware but do they sound “better” than plugins or cheap hardware? Nah, do they f*ck. A little different maybe. But 99.9999999 percent of folk listening to a song couldn’t give two shats. Love your channel by the way chaps.
Nice video as always and great with another blindtest. Just too bad that you did not have SA76, Arturia Comp FET-76 and Slate FG-76 as part of the test.
Hoped to see SA76 included in the shootout because you said it was spot on as hardware when you reviewed it! Anyway, great comparison, to me the difference is small enough that I don't care, because nobody will listen mixes compared side by side, they will only hear one final version on the radio, cheers!
@@cirolagator8155 SA76 is great.👍 Decided to shootout different ones as people always say 'CLA76 is the one....' Or Softube have the best 1176...'...chucked in the Logic Compressor to prove daw included plugins are right up there sometimes... Glad you enjoyed 🍻👍
The UAD Fairchild and Elysia compressor and Kive Complex. Are my go to’s lately running them mostly parallel to blend. Heard Dan saying fuck Saturation plugins has helped tried the sound toys devil loc Killah on bass and drums.
on drums im noticing the hihats are sounding little more defined from 1 to 5 for some reason i want to lean on the hardware being 2 or 5 lol but im shooting at straws here they’re all pretty close
Ones I liked Drums - 5 Bass - 1 Vocals - 4 (seemed to tuck the esses in) No idea which ones are the hardware but you'd expect them to be the ones I liked best though I actually expect to be wrong! I personally use and like the Purple 77 but they all sound good!
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Drums 2, Bass 5 Voc 5. There are some differences, some moré upfront, some with more attack, some moré open Live drums i felt The 2 and 4 were more open, 2 and 5 on Bass seemed more clanky etc. And its The moment Shawn reveals they were all’waves and im an idiot 😂 Missed you Dan
Loving your work Just an idea Record say gtr or voice bass etc -Signal into Real top end mic pre or line - cranked input for vibe VRs signal in same plug in cranked for vibe The reason is “recording live -does analog capture something when it goes to tape “ d “ so to spk augment is do you need real mic pre/line hardware as oppose to “straight into the audio interface with a plugin Cheers boys 🍺
These videos are very entertaining, I congratulate you, they are perfect for entertaining yourself on the weekend. A suggestion, I hope you could leave the files for download, it would be great. It would be very useful to compare your Dictator with Pulsar Mu and others. A hug,
Nice! the only differences I heard, listening on a headset/laptop, were that 3 on bass and 5 on vocals had more pop. Maybe even too much. Is an SSL channel strip thru all versions already over done? thanks!
I liked these ones: Drums #3 Bass # 2 Vocals #4 Can’t say I can tell the “real” 1176. I’ve got a couple kt 76 on back order, hoping they sound good and do the job I want them to do (crack down on initial transients and drum bus smashing) - and really only getting those because I have fun fiddling with physical controls.
What would be really helpful (and possibly could people loads of money) would be a video where you tell us (of course in your opinion) which hardware is really worth buying and which can be skipped. That would be great. Thank you
@@StudioLife101 yes, it would certainly do. And more importantly would be very helpful for many since many people can only afford one or two analogue units. Having so many too choose from, sometimes we can get something that could be missed and invest in other more useful hardware. Thanks.
@@StudioLife101I'm a little frightened of this idea, but I think it will be safe for me to watch, as long as they're all as cheap as the Klark 2A that StudioLife forced me to buy. (I can't even build a 500 series kit for that price! So cheap!) 😁
I hear differences but in the context of the mix but I don't know if it's worth the effort mate! Love your channel but the LA-2A challenge and now this video illustrates how tiny the differences are and ppl should get on with mixing with whatever they have. I usually end up using one of my UAD 1176 plugins but I have a couple others if I feel like it. I will say Acustica's Nickel 1176 emulation has some preamp goodness happening in it which can change the sound a little bit. Love your channel regardless!
For the drums, I found 2 and 4 particularly engaging. The entire drum kit felt alive and dynamic, with a snappy and assertive presence. Bass and vocals were way too subtle for me to make out the difference.
Can't tell much difference on the bass and vocals. On the drums I think I prefer #5 as it sounds cleaner, though since that's the least like the others I'm going to guess that's probably the one that's *least* like an actual 1176 😆
I've really struggled liking the UA 1176 LN Hardware over the years. I remember having a studio send back a unit to a supplier thinking it was broken and they couldn't find anything wrong with it. It always felt a bit dull and lifeless compared to plugin versions and other hardware clones I had tried, especially when smashing the all buttons in mode in. So with that in mind,, on drums I didn't like 1 or 5 as much as the others so I'm guessing one of those could be the hardware. 2,3 and 4 sounded bigger and brighter so the opposite of what I thought of the last 1176LN I used.
@@peterwaterman2007 The Blue stripe definitely has more vibe....black rev d always nicer on drums....plugins nailed the black face 1176 sound years ago I reckon...blue stripe is a tad more difficult...👍
No idea. Listening on not so great, very old K240 headphones at my friend's place. I could hardly tell the difference on any of the tracks like that, and I'm a fan of the UAD 1176 plugins for my dialogue mixing. Probably be too late by the time I get back to my mix room.
Had a chance to listen to it in my room, with my never-had-my-own-1176 ears. First impression. Drums. 4 was my preferred track. Smack all the way to go with the bass. Bass. 2 was fine for me. Enough smack and control. I'd always reached for that dbx 166(or was it 266?) @3:1 for control, but for smack this is neat. Vocals. Closeup 3, far away 5 is my preference. If it works without too much eq, great. And you had some clicky attacks here in many of the tracks, which my dialogue-mixing ears approve of slightly less.
Drums - 2 Bass - Preferd 1 (couldnt tell difference from 2 to 4... didnt like 5) Vox1 - Liked 2 and 4 Realization that i suck... and not my gear... pricless... for everything else there is MasterCard xD
I felt like 4. the drums slapped a little harder and that's what I prefer, I'm a funk-metal guy and I like drums pushed more to front of the mix, but I guess it could also be a slight volume difference too. Ultimately they all sound so close and if that's software vs hardware, then that hardware ain't worth the thousands of bucks unless you just wanna impress clients who don't know better.
On all examples 2 and 4 sounded the best because the transients and low mid information were the most solid and musical. Now I´m really curious what this plugin is that comes so close to a hardware sound.
Hi ! from Germany ! I had wished some sequences was longer, it took a second the Fx comes up... Every sounds a little Bit different, some sounds more "snappy", the tail was different to understand, but to notice every single case in any combination ? Without compare you can took what you have - the hardware is expensive and has to include well with good conditions, like cables etc. - for me was interesting the fact the UA LA2 Plug In sounds on the fly better than the stock plug in, which is a clone. And this was no snake oil ( for me ) This here is the evidence for me, some has more "quality" in details.
cool video, thanks. But.. why is there no UAD version in the text? now it is especially interesting because the equipment is not needed to use their plugins. And also why is there no Sonic Academy SA76 which you said is the best 1176 plugin ...
Maybe they don't own the uad plugins? After all the very first time I installed the universal audio installation manager program, the plugins decided to download and activate themselves for a trial... Which wasn't cool.
Because I picked the ones I wanted to pick because it's our channel!...SA76 is great.. But I'm not shooting out all great things....just interesting things...the good, the bad, and the ugly...😂 👍 UAD are pretty good....but not forgiven for the hardware and subscription model...
@@StudioLife101 The video is cool anyway! I was just curious. UAD now releases plugins WITHOUT a subscription model too, and WITHOUT equipment. Recently I bought several UAD NATIVE plugins on sale, but I have AUDIENT and I don't use a subscription. I bought 1176 at a huge discount for $39, all 3 versions (A, AE, LN)
@@RealHomeRecording any UAD plugin has a free trial period now. also, to install them you don't need a subscription or equipment. I've never had any problems with installation, neither with the trial version nor with the purchase
I'll participate for fun, but I actually don't use 1176s so this is outside of my realm. Maybe thats why the differences this round are smaller than with the LA2As to me. Drums: 1. dark, so not flattering on the snare. 2. bright but pretty good. 3. balanced and my preference. 4. scooped & punchy. don't like it here. 5. well behaved. 1176? Bass: If I had to choose, I prefer 5 by an imaginary hair's breadth. I doubt I'd be able to identify these better than randomly guessing. Vocals: The only outlier is 4 on high vox which I like because it sounds natural while the others sound airy. Vox 4 = Drums 1 = Bass 5?
No idea which is the 'real' one, but I prefer: Drums 2, Bass 2 and 3, Vocals 2....but really, I could have been happy with most of them. Not sure if you switched them around like before, but I consistently DIDN"T really like #4.
Drums liked: 2 & 5 5 real Bass liked: 1 & 4 4 real Vox liked: 1 & 4 4 real (although I thought 1 also could have been the real one, but not as much as 4)
Performance, acoustics, and mic placement trump all gear. A determined mix engineer can make a mix sound good with either plugins or hardware given those 3 things. The only gear in a chain that I can really tell that makes a difference is using a quality mic that fits the source being recorded. I feel there is no plugin that replaces a quality mic (mic modeling still isn’t there yet, could be in the future). Even then, there is no denying that you can still get good results with lower cost microphones. No one is going to turn down mix work or turn a good song off because a U87 or C800G wasn’t used to capture the vocals. I firmly believe all are just personal taste and don’t matter a whole lot. Good music is good music. No one even thinks about what gear was used when listening to music except an engineer, less than 1% of the population. Side note, 80% of other home studios I’ve been to will have over $10k in gear and have inadequate (read foam) or even no acoustic treatment all together. I think that’s silly unless you have the given gift of being able to mix on headphones. Acoustics first, gear second. Gear is fun to have and that’s about it, at least to me. As far as the shootout, they all sound equally adequate and no guess is warranted. Thanks keeping everyone’s feet on the ground with these shootouts.
I understand your point but having a really good eq and bus compressor will make a big difference and you can get results that are impossible to achieve without. Yes you can do without but a kick and snare are much easier to shape with a transient designer than without. Certain gear has a certain sound to it and you have less spill with a good gate than without. In the end they are all tools but a carpenter who uses a hammer on daily basis will look for a good hammer. Yes you can hit a nail with a cheap piece of crap hammer too, obvious.
@@Chaos-Dynamics Your last sentence is kind of what I was eluding to. The last time you bought something assembled of wood did it even cross your mind what tools were used to assemble it? That assembled piece is analogous to a piece of music. Also, preference can come down to the money you are willing to pay upfront vs putting more work into the mix if you don’t have it. I think an experienced mix engineer can still achieve great results with free plugins, to the point it wouldn’t affect the average listeners opinion of a song at all. I think the only things that can prevent a good mix are the first 3 items I listed and, in my opinion, quality mics correctly matched to the source. I know for a fact a much more experienced mix engineer can provide a better mix ITB with free plugins than I can if given all of the most expensive gear I can ask for. 10000 hours over $10000 in gear.
@@alexmacias3837 Okay fair enough but carpenters probably like to talk about their tools. Getting a song decently mixed doesn’t have to be rocket science and I agree music is made to listen to and not for scientific forensic analysis. I mix preferably on an analog desk and get good results with cheap old equipment but anything quality in the signal chain definitely enhances the sonic character but I agree any 1176 would work fine. For me the process of mixing is a lot of fun and annoying as well sometimes but I like doing it. Expensive equipment is definitely not something that should hold you back, the most important part is being creative and being able to capture it in time. I’m using old 70 bucks cheap compressors and they work but of course a 1176 would be nice but I rather have a dbx160 because it has an unique sound to it. Gear is tools and you have to make something with them and enjoy the process right 😀
@@Chaos-Dynamics We are definitely on the same page. I also love using analog gear, albeit all bought used and nothing really that expensive. I think my comment is an observation more aimed at the person starting out because I see so much “don’t buy anything unless you can spend $2k up”. I started with a TLM 102, Audient ID22 preamps, and plugins tracking only vocals in a treated bedroom and everyone that came in was always impressed and became return clients. I’ve progressed with time and bought new tools and took on larger projects. I definitely think spending money on expensive gear (other than quality mics) is overkill unless you’re making a comfortable living mixing (probably not anyone watching these types of videos). I find much enjoyment outcompeting dedicated studios with lower end gear.
Ok. As much as I could judge by listening on Samsung earphones. Let's start. There are 3 of 5 sounds good and the other 2 are shit: Drums: 1. Shit 2.Real 76 3. Softube 4. Good 5. Most shit. BASS: 1. Softube 2.Real 76 3. Most Shit 4. Good 5. Lesser shit VOCALS: 1. Softube 2. Real 76 3. Good 4. The most shit 5. Lesser shit
@@TeslaOsirisIn that case, I’m guessing Drums and Bass the real is 1 and vocals the real one is 3. What do I know though, I liked the Logic stock LA2A in the last one 😂
Oh boy...another round of people who will make a fool of themselves saying things that are nothing but confirmation bias. 🤣 It's near as makes no difference between all the candidates...and he's probably changing the order between each category like he did the last time. You're literally just making wild arse guesses. Please please...just don't die on any hills about this. As much as I loved serving Ls last time...this time will just feel like ableism.
I can confirm your prediction that my guesses were wild arse. D:Wrong, B:Wrong, V:Right. I claimed I don't know what 1176s sound like and that claim was supported! Lol. My preferences were not so wild though. D:1176, B:none, V:1176. This makes 2 tests where I have preferred hardware, so I am satisfied that the codec is preserving the differences sufficiently. Maybe it's not the best codec, but it's enough.
I think the think real 1176 is: Drums: 3 Bss: 5 Vox: 1 I like these too. these shootouts are cool ) thx. im glad im a plugin king lol. maybe include arturia and Acustica next time IF you have them for future shootouts? - cool shootout )))
This was even harder than the LA2A’s. Have now been listening to these back and forth with good headphones - eyes open, eyes closed (ears wide open 😃) - and I can say that all the differences are so minuscule that I lean towards them being just almost imaginary like only psychological (or psychoacoustical) misperceptions when I know that NOW I should hear a difference because I see you switching the source, or if my eyes are not open, know that you will do it. Yes - there seems to be slight differences, but are they “real” or just expectation biased? Good job again. Can’t wait to hear the Pultecs! Cheers - Kippis!
There's so little difference that the device used becomes irrelevant. To be honest, I think it's the engineer that makes the difference. I've taken a mix that I've completed and then used completely different devices, and the track sounded almost indistinguishable. I knew what I wanted to hear, and then dialled in the sound I wanted - irrespective of the device; hardware or plugin.
Yes, I keep preaching it and you put it perfectly: I dial in what I want to hear! That is why you don't necessarily need all those vintage plugins
After the Pultec comparison I’d love to see a comparison of Empirical Labs’ Distressor and it’s plugins - UAD, Kiive, IK Multi etc… idk if you can get hold of a real unit but this shootout would be enlightening for some I think!
Uad version >>
I gave up several years ago trying to tell the difference in a full mix. I’ve still got some great pieces of hardware but do they sound “better” than plugins or cheap hardware? Nah, do they f*ck. A little different maybe. But 99.9999999 percent of folk listening to a song couldn’t give two shats.
Love your channel by the way chaps.
4 more transient Power
These are great!!!
Liked 4 and 5 the most, hope they are plugins
Very tricky indeed! I liked no. 2 each time. Thanks for all this geeky excitement! Cheers
Yes, and Nr 1 was always the worst.
Hm, have to recheck that:)
I liked these:
Drums: 3
Bass: 3
Voice: 3
Hardware:
Drums: 4
Bass: 2
Voice: 2
I usually use Arturia's FET-76 plugin
Listening on my phone, but I can conclusively say they are all identical.
5, 3 and 5 sound nice to me. Fingers crossed they're the logic ones ;)
That one was tricky.
Not currently in my studio, on the road and only with AirPods,
I wouldn’t have a chance to pick.
No Dan no fun!!
Nice video as always and great with another blindtest. Just too bad that you did not have SA76, Arturia Comp FET-76 and Slate FG-76 as part of the test.
@@callehellstrom Cheers. 👍 Can't do them all...but no one would be able to tell which is which anyway....👍 😂
Hoped to see SA76 included in the shootout because you said it was spot on as hardware when you reviewed it! Anyway, great comparison, to me the difference is small enough that I don't care, because nobody will listen mixes compared side by side, they will only hear one final version on the radio, cheers!
@@cirolagator8155 SA76 is great.👍 Decided to shootout different ones as people always say 'CLA76 is the one....' Or Softube have the best 1176...'...chucked in the Logic Compressor to prove daw included plugins are right up there sometimes... Glad you enjoyed 🍻👍
4, 2 is the second
The UAD Fairchild and Elysia compressor and Kive Complex. Are my go to’s lately running them mostly parallel to blend. Heard Dan saying fuck Saturation plugins has helped tried the sound toys devil loc Killah on bass and drums.
I liked 2 & 4 on drums,5 on bass,2 on vocals
oh no lets get it on! i got a lot of these lol 🤘💀🍻🔥
on drums im noticing the hihats are sounding little more defined from 1 to 5 for some reason i want to lean on the hardware being 2 or 5 lol but im shooting at straws here they’re all pretty close
vocals i like 3-4 for some reason 4 sounds tamer but could be me lol bass i liked 2-3 so can’t wait for the results
4-3-2 in order. Difference is subtle enough that I’m completely guessing. Could just be my imagination lol
Ones I liked Drums - 5 Bass - 1 Vocals - 4 (seemed to tuck the esses in) No idea which ones are the hardware but you'd expect them to be the ones I liked best though I actually expect to be wrong! I personally use and like the Purple 77 but they all sound good!
Drums 2, Bass 5 Voc 5. There are some differences, some moré upfront, some with more attack, some moré open
Live drums i felt The 2 and 4 were more open, 2 and 5 on Bass seemed more clanky etc. And its The moment Shawn reveals they were all’waves and im an idiot 😂
Missed you Dan
😂
Loving your work
Just an idea
Record say gtr or voice bass etc -Signal into Real top end mic pre or line - cranked input for vibe
VRs signal in same plug in cranked for vibe
The reason is “recording live -does analog capture something when it goes to tape “ d “ so to spk augment is do you need real mic pre/line hardware as oppose to “straight into the audio interface with a plugin
Cheers boys 🍺
4,5,4 to me
These videos are very entertaining, I congratulate you, they are perfect for entertaining yourself on the weekend. A suggestion, I hope you could leave the files for download, it would be great. It would be very useful to compare your Dictator with Pulsar Mu and others. A hug,
To my ears 4 and 5 were pleasant
I nominate Drums 5, Bass 3, vocals 2. no idea obviously.
Nice! the only differences I heard, listening on a headset/laptop, were that 3 on bass and 5 on vocals had more pop. Maybe even too much. Is an SSL channel strip thru all versions already over done? thanks!
Drums 2 sounds best more open Bass 5 sounds best Vocals can’t tell. Fun vid!
I liked these ones:
Drums #3
Bass # 2
Vocals #4
Can’t say I can tell the “real” 1176. I’ve got a couple kt 76 on back order, hoping they sound good and do the job I want them to do (crack down on initial transients and drum bus smashing) - and really only getting those because I have fun fiddling with physical controls.
Great video, I like this 😊
Drums I guess no 1
Bass I dunno 🤷
Vocals no 3 ?
I don’t have a 1167 so I have no idea what to listen for 😂
What would be really helpful (and possibly could people loads of money) would be a video where you tell us (of course in your opinion) which hardware is really worth buying and which can be skipped. That would be great. Thank you
@@LucasMichalski That'd make a good episode.👍
@@StudioLife101 yes, it would certainly do. And more importantly would be very helpful for many since many people can only afford one or two analogue units. Having so many too choose from, sometimes we can get something that could be missed and invest in other more useful hardware.
Thanks.
@@StudioLife101I'm a little frightened of this idea, but I think it will be safe for me to watch, as long as they're all as cheap as the Klark 2A that StudioLife forced me to buy. (I can't even build a 500 series kit for that price! So cheap!) 😁
The vocal gave it away, #4 is the hardware. At first I thought it was #2. That's the other one Iiked.
Ok, so I am pretty sure about at least one thing: the price VS sound difference does not motivate buying a real one...
favs: 4, 4, 5 respectively...lemme see the results now...
5-4-4
I hear differences but in the context of the mix but I don't know if it's worth the effort mate! Love your channel but the LA-2A challenge and now this video illustrates how tiny the differences are and ppl should get on with mixing with whatever they have. I usually end up using one of my UAD 1176 plugins but I have a couple others if I feel like it. I will say Acustica's Nickel 1176 emulation has some preamp goodness happening in it which can change the sound a little bit. Love your channel regardless!
@@marksaxon_plays 🍻👍
For the drums, I found 2 and 4 particularly engaging. The entire drum kit felt alive and dynamic, with a snappy and assertive presence. Bass and vocals were way too subtle for me to make out the difference.
2 is Bestee!!
Can't tell much difference on the bass and vocals. On the drums I think I prefer #5 as it sounds cleaner, though since that's the least like the others I'm going to guess that's probably the one that's *least* like an actual 1176 😆
2,2,3
I've really struggled liking the UA 1176 LN Hardware over the years. I remember having a studio send back a unit to a supplier thinking it was broken and they couldn't find anything wrong with it. It always felt a bit dull and lifeless compared to plugin versions and other hardware clones I had tried, especially when smashing the all buttons in mode in. So with that in mind,, on drums I didn't like 1 or 5 as much as the others so I'm guessing one of those could be the hardware. 2,3 and 4 sounded bigger and brighter so the opposite of what I thought of the last 1176LN I used.
@@peterwaterman2007 The Blue stripe definitely has more vibe....black rev d always nicer on drums....plugins nailed the black face 1176 sound years ago I reckon...blue stripe is a tad more difficult...👍
No idea. Listening on not so great, very old K240 headphones at my friend's place. I could hardly tell the difference on any of the tracks like that, and I'm a fan of the UAD 1176 plugins for my dialogue mixing. Probably be too late by the time I get back to my mix room.
Had a chance to listen to it in my room, with my never-had-my-own-1176 ears. First impression.
Drums. 4 was my preferred track. Smack all the way to go with the bass.
Bass. 2 was fine for me. Enough smack and control. I'd always reached for that dbx 166(or was it 266?) @3:1 for control, but for smack this is neat.
Vocals. Closeup 3, far away 5 is my preference. If it works without too much eq, great. And you had some clicky attacks here in many of the tracks, which my dialogue-mixing ears approve of slightly less.
4,2,2
My preferences. Drums 5 bass 5 vocal 2.
Drums - 2
Bass - Preferd 1 (couldnt tell difference from 2 to 4... didnt like 5)
Vox1 - Liked 2 and 4
Realization that i suck... and not my gear... pricless...
for everything else there is MasterCard xD
@@DaveChips 😂
I felt like 4. the drums slapped a little harder and that's what I prefer, I'm a funk-metal guy and I like drums pushed more to front of the mix, but I guess it could also be a slight volume difference too. Ultimately they all sound so close and if that's software vs hardware, then that hardware ain't worth the thousands of bucks unless you just wanna impress clients who don't know better.
I preferred 2 and 4 on drums.... 2 on bass and 4 vox... no idea which one was the hardware 🤔🤓
On all examples 2 and 4 sounded the best because the transients and low mid information were the most solid and musical. Now I´m really curious what this plugin is that comes so close to a hardware sound.
What one did you like for vocals ?
@@brianwynn10 That'd be telling....😂
I'll have a go.I hope I'm wrong so I can buy the plugin....:D
Drums: 5
Bass: 1
Vocals: 4
5 sounds thicker, more definition on drums followed by the 4 then 2
On vocals 5 and 2
Bass , 4 and 2
drums:5 bass:1 vocal:3 These are my preferred choices😁
Hi ! from Germany ! I had wished some sequences was longer, it took a second the Fx comes up... Every sounds a little Bit different, some sounds more "snappy", the tail was different to understand, but to notice every single case in any combination ? Without compare you can took what you have - the hardware is expensive and has to include well with good conditions, like cables etc. - for me was interesting the fact the UA LA2 Plug In sounds on the fly better than the stock plug in, which is a clone. And this was no snake oil ( for me ) This here is the evidence for me, some has more "quality" in details.
cool video, thanks. But..
why is there no UAD version in the text? now it is especially interesting because the equipment is not needed to use their plugins. And also why is there no Sonic Academy SA76 which you said is the best 1176 plugin ...
Maybe they don't own the uad plugins? After all the very first time I installed the universal audio installation manager program, the plugins decided to download and activate themselves for a trial... Which wasn't cool.
Because I picked the ones I wanted to pick because it's our channel!...SA76 is great.. But I'm not shooting out all great things....just interesting things...the good, the bad, and the ugly...😂 👍 UAD are pretty good....but not forgiven for the hardware and subscription model...
@@StudioLife101 The video is cool anyway! I was just curious. UAD now releases plugins WITHOUT a subscription model too, and WITHOUT equipment. Recently I bought several UAD NATIVE plugins on sale, but I have AUDIENT and I don't use a subscription. I bought 1176 at a huge discount for $39, all 3 versions (A, AE, LN)
@@RealHomeRecording any UAD plugin has a free trial period now. also, to install them you don't need a subscription or equipment. I've never had any problems with installation, neither with the trial version nor with the purchase
4,5,2
The real one is clearly all of them and none of them at all
(I like 3 for drums, 4 for bass, 5 for vox 🤷♂️)
Hardware : 1, 2, 2.
I'll participate for fun, but I actually don't use 1176s so this is outside of my realm. Maybe thats why the differences this round are smaller than with the LA2As to me.
Drums: 1. dark, so not flattering on the snare. 2. bright but pretty good. 3. balanced and my preference. 4. scooped & punchy. don't like it here. 5. well behaved. 1176?
Bass: If I had to choose, I prefer 5 by an imaginary hair's breadth. I doubt I'd be able to identify these better than randomly guessing.
Vocals: The only outlier is 4 on high vox which I like because it sounds natural while the others sound airy. Vox 4 = Drums 1 = Bass 5?
On Drums I got 3 on 76.
2. is the real if i'm right...
2 isn't the same compressor each time.
4/5/2 don't much care what is what, :)
No idea which is the 'real' one, but I prefer: Drums 2, Bass 2 and 3, Vocals 2....but really, I could have been happy with most of them. Not sure if you switched them around like before, but I consistently DIDN"T really like #4.
Drums
liked: 2 & 5
5 real
Bass
liked: 1 & 4
4 real
Vox
liked: 1 & 4
4 real (although I thought 1 also could have been the real one, but not as much as 4)
Performance, acoustics, and mic placement trump all gear. A determined mix engineer can make a mix sound good with either plugins or hardware given those 3 things. The only gear in a chain that I can really tell that makes a difference is using a quality mic that fits the source being recorded. I feel there is no plugin that replaces a quality mic (mic modeling still isn’t there yet, could be in the future). Even then, there is no denying that you can still get good results with lower cost microphones. No one is going to turn down mix work or turn a good song off because a U87 or C800G wasn’t used to capture the vocals. I firmly believe all are just personal taste and don’t matter a whole lot. Good music is good music. No one even thinks about what gear was used when listening to music except an engineer, less than 1% of the population. Side note, 80% of other home studios I’ve been to will have over $10k in gear and have inadequate (read foam) or even no acoustic treatment all together. I think that’s silly unless you have the given gift of being able to mix on headphones. Acoustics first, gear second. Gear is fun to have and that’s about it, at least to me. As far as the shootout, they all sound equally adequate and no guess is warranted. Thanks keeping everyone’s feet on the ground with these shootouts.
I understand your point but having a really good eq and bus compressor will make a big difference and you can get results that are impossible to achieve without. Yes you can do without but a kick and snare are much easier to shape with a transient designer than without. Certain gear has a certain sound to it and you have less spill with a good gate than without. In the end they are all tools but a carpenter who uses a hammer on daily basis will look for a good hammer. Yes you can hit a nail with a cheap piece of crap hammer too, obvious.
@@Chaos-Dynamics Your last sentence is kind of what I was eluding to. The last time you bought something assembled of wood did it even cross your mind what tools were used to assemble it? That assembled piece is analogous to a piece of music. Also, preference can come down to the money you are willing to pay upfront vs putting more work into the mix if you don’t have it. I think an experienced mix engineer can still achieve great results with free plugins, to the point it wouldn’t affect the average listeners opinion of a song at all. I think the only things that can prevent a good mix are the first 3 items I listed and, in my opinion, quality mics correctly matched to the source. I know for a fact a much more experienced mix engineer can provide a better mix ITB with free plugins than I can if given all of the most expensive gear I can ask for. 10000 hours over $10000 in gear.
@@alexmacias3837 Okay fair enough but carpenters probably like to talk about their tools. Getting a song decently mixed doesn’t have to be rocket science and I agree music is made to listen to and not for scientific forensic analysis. I mix preferably on an analog desk and get good results with cheap old equipment but anything quality in the signal chain definitely enhances the sonic character but I agree any 1176 would work fine.
For me the process of mixing is a lot of fun and annoying as well sometimes but I like doing it. Expensive equipment is definitely not something that should hold you back, the most important part is being creative and being able to capture it in time. I’m using old 70 bucks cheap compressors and they work but of course a 1176 would be nice but I rather have a dbx160 because it has an unique sound to it. Gear is tools and you have to make something with them and enjoy the process right 😀
@@Chaos-Dynamics We are definitely on the same page. I also love using analog gear, albeit all bought used and nothing really that expensive. I think my comment is an observation more aimed at the person starting out because I see so much “don’t buy anything unless you can spend $2k up”. I started with a TLM 102, Audient ID22 preamps, and plugins tracking only vocals in a treated bedroom and everyone that came in was always impressed and became return clients. I’ve progressed with time and bought new tools and took on larger projects. I definitely think spending money on expensive gear (other than quality mics) is overkill unless you’re making a comfortable living mixing (probably not anyone watching these types of videos). I find much enjoyment outcompeting dedicated studios with lower end gear.
Not sure if they were switched like last time but #2 stood out to me on all the sources
No analog obsession!? To me 2 and 4 sounded good on vocals using phone speakers, couldn't tell much with drums ans bass.
Mc77 >>>
Ok. As much as I could judge by listening on Samsung earphones. Let's start. There are 3 of 5 sounds good and the other 2 are shit:
Drums:
1. Shit
2.Real 76
3. Softube
4. Good
5. Most shit.
BASS:
1. Softube
2.Real 76
3. Most Shit
4. Good
5. Lesser shit
VOCALS:
1. Softube
2. Real 76
3. Good
4. The most shit
5. Lesser shit
1 sounded good on everything, so will guess that is the original. 3,was weird, it sounded great on vocals but didn’t like it on everything else.
He's changing the order each time like he did on the LA2A test...so 1 isn't the same every time.
@@TeslaOsirisIn that case, I’m guessing Drums and Bass the real is 1 and vocals the real one is 3. What do I know though, I liked the Logic stock LA2A in the last one 😂
Oh boy...another round of people who will make a fool of themselves saying things that are nothing but confirmation bias. 🤣
It's near as makes no difference between all the candidates...and he's probably changing the order between each category like he did the last time. You're literally just making wild arse guesses.
Please please...just don't die on any hills about this. As much as I loved serving Ls last time...this time will just feel like ableism.
So you’re afraid to take a guess because you get judged by your alter ego 😂
@@Chaos-Dynamics there is no reason to take a guess…there is no substantive difference to be heard.
I can confirm your prediction that my guesses were wild arse. D:Wrong, B:Wrong, V:Right. I claimed I don't know what 1176s sound like and that claim was supported! Lol. My preferences were not so wild though. D:1176, B:none, V:1176. This makes 2 tests where I have preferred hardware, so I am satisfied that the codec is preserving the differences sufficiently. Maybe it's not the best codec, but it's enough.
I think the think real 1176 is:
Drums: 3
Bss: 5
Vox: 1
I like these too.
these shootouts are cool ) thx. im glad im a plugin king lol. maybe include arturia and Acustica next time IF you have them for future shootouts? - cool shootout )))