Yall are the UA-camrs that deserve the views and subs. When ya actually do stuff with your audience nd not just upload a clickbait title and just gameplay 24/7. This was fun to watch
i think Verhulst have actually good aim even without AA, i've been doing his routines without aim assist, and holy it gets your aim to another level. @@Random_thing_from_the_internet
I’ve ran into Lykais in ranked a handle of times, dude is a demon. I knew Kandy was toast. They have good aim but there is just a different beast that they haven’t figured out yet in the game hahah
@@TheRealBillix no? I don't want to be toxic but Kandy and boom are like very close to average apex players (part of their charm) you can see their mechanics are just not that good. Seagull is significantly better if you've ever watched a stream
@@lamptowel I’m sure you, who watches them knows better than me. I’ve seen some seagull gameplay in apex and wasn’t impressed, been years tho. He’s a pro gamer
@@TheRealBillix I'm not a seagull viewer or meatrider (unless we count him on roamer a decade ago), but on just a base level he's better than these two, I'm not saying he's a sweat but he's representative of an average masters player while these two are like play diamond at best
I saw that Evan played cover like God and Kandy and Boom were always caught in the open. It was a really good lesson and I had a lot of fun watching it
The mnk vs controller debate isn't about which is better, never has been. Mnk has a lot of advantages, and so does controller. The debate stems from the fact that people dislike unearned advantages, it's why we collectively like underdog stories. The problem with the controller is that it does give you some advantages for free, no real skill needed. People who play configs on controller and hit every single mantle jump, super glide or superjump do so undeservingly, adding on an aimassist and it feels like cheating. Im waaay better on mnk, but all the movement and aim comes from practice, however, when I play on a controller I win fights I know I don't deserve to win. And that's why I personally play more mnk, I know that's all me. I don't dislike normal controller players, i think it's pretty cool to have one on each team as an expert of sorts, but configs is where I draw the line.
Yo Kandy, idk if you’ll see this, but it’d be great if you made your next video on finding the best legend combos with the new doppelgänger update… assuming you haven’t already thought of that lol
I really hate this whole controversy between mnk and controller. Back when mnk are the only good input, you never see these people complaining how unfair it is for controller. Only “get good”, or “switch to the superior input,” but when controller is better, all of the sudden it’s unfair and things need to be changed for what they want 😂 what happened to “just deal with it”?
@@Caleb-jb3gv regardless, it is an input with advantages. To the core of it, this is just a double standard. When mnk was the only input with advantages, the same considering wasn’t made for controller players. But now, all of the sudden, the game needs to change for a subset of players.
@@MeMe-tw4xb So I don't want to come off as argumentative, but I don't think you've really thought this through. The reason people complain about aim assist isn't because of the advantages or disadvantages of an input. The inherent advantages of an input would be something like Roller can always move their reticle without having to reset like a mouse does, while on MnK you're able to move your crosshair relative to your mouse rather than in just a direction. Things like that are something that I think there can be great discussion about where people can come together. The problem is that the "balancing" that the game does, gives the input that is admittedly more difficult to be precise on assistance that is not human generated. It is not possible to have a genuinely competitive environment with artificial assistance. The reality is that in order to have a competitive environment all input has to be raw. If you can find a way of balancing inputs without messing with that, then that would be the optimal solution, but violating the integrity of competitiveness can't be the solution. To address your last point, the game shouldn't all of the sudden change for a "subset of players". It needs to change because competitive integrity has been being violated and enough attention has been called to it to make enough people upset. Controller isn't winning those 90% of fights, aim assist is.
@@Caleb-jb3gv I really hope we can engage in a productive conversation and not an argument, since you seem to be reasonable. My biggest problem with this is that it doesn’t address the inherent differences between the 2 inputs, simply taking things away from 1 subset of people in order to appease another without any plans or thoughts of making it actually fair. Rollers can move their reticle without having to reset is the only thing that it can do, and that’s not even useful. You’re failing to mention the fact that MnK can be much more precise on getting one dot on the screen to be at a certain location, that it’s a lot easier to control recoil for guns, that you can have many different bindings without having to reuse the same buttons for things, that there are unfair non-human inputs like mouse scroll wheel to assist in many different movement techs (some of which are actually impossible to do on controller), and the fact that you can instantly shield swaps while moving mad in a death box. Plus, that little “move your crosshair relative to your mouse” thing you mentioned is 10x more useful than moving reticle without reset. None of these issues are brought up for unfairness even though it is actually unfair. Saying that the goal is to be fair is actually hypocritical because nobody cares when the shoe is on the other foot. I agree with your argument that maybe it is not good for competitive, then just make it a rule for the comps game. Most people do not play like pros, and what people are asking is basically just take 1 input away completely. Because as of right now, all people want to do is to take things away to benefit themselves, not actually leveling the playing field. I don't trust this community to know when to stop. Have you not seen the way everything is handled in this game? Usually people just bitxh about things they cant deal with, then even after it gets nerfed, they'll still bitxh about it because a narrative has been formed and these people cannot take responsibility for anything. Would you like if I propose we take away/nerf ALL of the MnK advantages I mentioned above? A game where you're constantly trying to take away things in order to "balance" is a game bound to become 1-dimensional and boring. Noone ever has raised the idea to add things instead of taking things away. So why is it that only one subset of people ALWAYS has to get the short end of the stick?
Because there was no crossplay and mixed input catering for multiplayer games back then. If controller players weren't forced into PC lobbies no one would be complaining even today lol they could aimbot each other in their console/controller lobbies all day long for all I care.
People unironically thinking he only won because it’s controller and not because he’s a pro player that has fought the best in the world on both inputs and won. As someone that plays both both have advantages but up close sure AA has a clear ease of use since it slows down. But I don’t use that excuse fighting a fuckin pro player who all around is just better and faster than me. Learn some humility 😂 hard stuck bronze MnK players are acting like hard stuck bronze controllers are all a Verhulst
@@tzuzu5240 I think they win almost every time fighting in the pit if they co-ordinate. But that house would've made for an amazing 2v1 and Id expect Evan to win more than 50% if they fought there
@@zHawkC idk if you know verhulst that well but this guy managed to 1v3 pro stack teams before in the past multiple times.. He's indeed one of the best (if not) the best controller players in the world right now in terms of skills and overall achievements.. Don't get me wrong, kandy and boom are indeed great players and they are still above average but they are only content creators and not on pros levels and this is coming from a guy who watch kandy for 3 years now.. If verhulst can 1v3 pro stack team before, then 1v2 against above average players is definitely not a challenge at all for him.. Sure he will lose 2 to 3 rounds but 90% of their fights, he will beat them easily..
@@tzuzu5240 Yeah I know Evan, I watch (and have attended) ALGS. He's the best roller player in the world in a straight fight imo. But I respectfully disagree. Most of those 1 v 3s are off drop when his teammates have already done damage and they involve high ground, doors or knockdown shield plays. He's not fighting 3 at exactly the same time with no help. To straight 1 v 2 in a tiny arena is incredibly hard, even for him if the 2 players work together and don't let Evan have two 1v1s. Which is why fighting in the house would be really beneficial for him over the arena, his movement, doorplay, peek damage etc would get to shine. No shield swaps/nades/weapon imbalances in this scenario remember. I don't doubt he'd wipe the floor with kandy and boom in a BR scenario, he would. But in a tiny arena they can both ape him at the same time and only have to do 100 dmg each while he has nowhere to go, it's not realistic to think he's still winning 90% of those fights. He often had his shield cracked in these 1v1s and that's without a second person shooting at exactly the same time and having to do 225 more damage.
@zHawkC you said that he will struggle if he fights in tiny areas or if they fight together and won't allow him to 1v1 but the funny thing is recently, he already experienced this in control.. you can check it out by yourself based on my previous comment, giving you the link.. and if you watched the video, you can clearly see that multiple times he got rushed by multiple peoples and sometimes two people right next to each other try to swing on him and he can still beam them and survived.. I don't think you understand how insane his 1v3 scenarios are cuz 1v3 a full stack pros (doesn't matter if they are slightly weaker) is way harder than 1v2 content creators whose skills are slightly about average..
@@smuggy2111It's not scripts and those lurch strafes aren't even that crazy tbh. Try playing on the voltaic 1v1 servers, much better movement players on there
Evan not holding back is actually cool. You get to see how good pro players really are. Plus it shows respect towards Kandy and Boom.
yeah pros, especially evan, are in a league of their own!
@@kandyrewur mnk and dog water, Evan isnt even that good fr
@@Poogio-m7cwdym not that good that Guy won algs last time
@@Joppi890 im talking about 1v1s no doubt hes good with his 3 stack idiot
@@Poogio-m7cShutup lil bro 🙏
You kicked our ass just for fun had me. 😂😂
I always see viewers demanding 1v1’s against creators, but this was a very creative and tasteful way to host 1v1s. Great vid!!
That shot by Boom at 5:52, after he bounces off the wall reversed and slams the guy for the down!
Yall are the UA-camrs that deserve the views and subs. When ya actually do stuff with your audience nd not just upload a clickbait title and just gameplay 24/7. This was fun to watch
Thank you Evan for settling the debate between MnK and Roller
For real
It only applies if you play on controller. If you play on mouse and key you don't get an opinion!
@@randallmeans9797 if you play videogames, you don't have an opinion
Not even a debate roller better causes aim assit
i think Verhulst have actually good aim even without AA, i've been doing his routines without aim assist, and holy it gets your aim to another level. @@Random_thing_from_the_internet
This video is gold. Such a great idea and so cool of everyone involved. Great content you guys
Evan:Yea lets do the building
Kandy: oh you like the building more?
Boom: ToLd YoU kAnDy
this was so fun!! i loved bringing out the newcastle shields and PK versus yall!
This shows Kandy and Boom value their community.
Also holy crap controller needs reined in!
You guys are the most relatable streamers lol keep up the good content 👊🏼
When he said I’m going for real I was like he dead meat
I’ve ran into Lykais in ranked a handle of times, dude is a demon. I knew Kandy was toast. They have good aim but there is just a different beast that they haven’t figured out yet in the game hahah
Evan vs Kandy and Boom is like an MMA fighter against a newborn
always good vibes with evan. you should do a challenge with aSeagull sometime. He's around your skill level and i just love his vibes
seagull is way better than both of these guys lol
@@lamptowel..in overwatch
@@TheRealBillix no? I don't want to be toxic but Kandy and boom are like very close to average apex players (part of their charm) you can see their mechanics are just not that good. Seagull is significantly better if you've ever watched a stream
@@lamptowel I’m sure you, who watches them knows better than me. I’ve seen some seagull gameplay in apex and wasn’t impressed, been years tho. He’s a pro gamer
@@TheRealBillix I'm not a seagull viewer or meatrider (unless we count him on roamer a decade ago), but on just a base level he's better than these two, I'm not saying he's a sweat but he's representative of an average masters player while these two are like play diamond at best
Evan coaching you would be a great video
Lmao watching Mandy and boom go easy nd still win was actually mad funny
ive had that verhulst guy as a random teammate a few times and he was really good. im too old to keep up with the likes of him.
I would’ve loved one of the codes, but you and boom are for sure wayyy better 😅
I saw that Evan played cover like God and Kandy and Boom were always caught in the open. It was a really good lesson and I had a lot of fun watching it
Evan was just jumping out and one clipping them, in the open himself
10/10 would triple take as a shotgun again
Seriously this was so fun
I’m not gonna get over how funny booms speaking pfp
That wraith was actually pretty cracked tho he was pitostrafing at first
The arc stars only with fuse was interesting 😂
Why did lykai hold back on boom
what setup does he have though compared to yal two.
Boom vs Lykais just prove that if you can adapt and have patience, movement isn't important but Lykais is really good!
What's the movement tech at 9:57??
looks like a zig-zag superglide into a psuedo neo strafe but im watching at like 480p so im not 100% sure
Nah he is the one it's a family secret the flash step hop, he is the chosen one
If everyone says kandy sucks running a channel, he will give it to one of us to run, best 2 out of 3
Quality content god bless
Boom needs to get the pay to win r99 skin in the shop. Lol those irons were atrocious.
Is boom keyboard or controller
How do you participate in one of these videos?
Love to see my boy Lykais
Can you make a part 2?
i would like to try 1v1 kandy but i would not win bc im not that good at the game + im on controller
The mnk vs controller debate isn't about which is better, never has been. Mnk has a lot of advantages, and so does controller. The debate stems from the fact that people dislike unearned advantages, it's why we collectively like underdog stories. The problem with the controller is that it does give you some advantages for free, no real skill needed. People who play configs on controller and hit every single mantle jump, super glide or superjump do so undeservingly, adding on an aimassist and it feels like cheating. Im waaay better on mnk, but all the movement and aim comes from practice, however, when I play on a controller I win fights I know I don't deserve to win. And that's why I personally play more mnk, I know that's all me.
I don't dislike normal controller players, i think it's pretty cool to have one on each team as an expert of sorts, but configs is where I draw the line.
@kandrew how do I play with you?
Velociraptor and me, same skin. Good taste
How the heck did Lakaii move like that?
Lykais cheating out here using configs
Bro having a legendary or mythic skin is cool but you can’t even see it in game unless you emote or get revived
Ummm can I 1v1 u kandy and boom I am pretty good and I want to show u a new movement I found on a zip line and I am happy about it
How I get the bundle
Yo Kandy, idk if you’ll see this, but it’d be great if you made your next video on finding the best legend combos with the new doppelgänger update… assuming you haven’t already thought of that lol
THE COPE THIS MAN IS ABSORBING IS DANGEROUS LEVELS bro really said 1v1 roller vs mnk the roller wins yeah bud sure turn that aa off and it's wraps
Should redo lykais now that he can't use configs
verhulst literally might be the best pro on controller. Im saying this as an aussie Genburten fan
love you kandy
I dont know how people quick scope the sentinel. Can never get it lol
fire video
When tf did they add throwing knives
2 years ago
ggs fellas
Nice configs bozo
I was wondering if you made your profile pic and if you did I was wondering if you could draw mine it was just a question
Hey @boomrazzle did you see that you were in a faide's newest killing twitch steamers video?
On man kandy can you do this again next time for ppl that watch you on UA-cam
did that guy have configs or smthn
I was questioning if I knew how to spell Luigi for a minute 🤦🏿♂️
Verhulst didn't came for skin
He want blood
i think i could beat kandy and boom, but i think boom i would have to try harder lol hasnt he hit pred too?
Lykais was moving bruhhh
Lykais is the type of guy to play Apex for 5 days straight without stepping out of his house even once.
nah he just using configs, bros literally cheating
Could I 1v1 you? It would be really fun and I've been practicing movement!
I would have been so mad if I lost the chance to get a skin
I wish i could be evans 1v1 partner when hes in the fr.
Good video but the odds are exponentially stacked against the viewer. You guys only have to win a single 1v1 whereas the other guys have to win 2.
yep! we only had like 4 codes
@@kandyrew OHHHH that makes a lot more sense
I really hate this whole controversy between mnk and controller. Back when mnk are the only good input, you never see these people complaining how unfair it is for controller. Only “get good”, or “switch to the superior input,” but when controller is better, all of the sudden it’s unfair and things need to be changed for what they want 😂 what happened to “just deal with it”?
Controller isn't better, Aim assist is
@@Caleb-jb3gv regardless, it is an input with advantages. To the core of it, this is just a double standard. When mnk was the only input with advantages, the same considering wasn’t made for controller players. But now, all of the sudden, the game needs to change for a subset of players.
@@MeMe-tw4xb So I don't want to come off as argumentative, but I don't think you've really thought this through. The reason people complain about aim assist isn't because of the advantages or disadvantages of an input. The inherent advantages of an input would be something like Roller can always move their reticle without having to reset like a mouse does, while on MnK you're able to move your crosshair relative to your mouse rather than in just a direction. Things like that are something that I think there can be great discussion about where people can come together. The problem is that the "balancing" that the game does, gives the input that is admittedly more difficult to be precise on assistance that is not human generated. It is not possible to have a genuinely competitive environment with artificial assistance. The reality is that in order to have a competitive environment all input has to be raw. If you can find a way of balancing inputs without messing with that, then that would be the optimal solution, but violating the integrity of competitiveness can't be the solution. To address your last point, the game shouldn't all of the sudden change for a "subset of players". It needs to change because competitive integrity has been being violated and enough attention has been called to it to make enough people upset. Controller isn't winning those 90% of fights, aim assist is.
@@Caleb-jb3gv I really hope we can engage in a productive conversation and not an argument, since you seem to be reasonable.
My biggest problem with this is that it doesn’t address the inherent differences between the 2 inputs, simply taking things away from 1 subset of people in order to appease another without any plans or thoughts of making it actually fair. Rollers can move their reticle without having to reset is the only thing that it can do, and that’s not even useful. You’re failing to mention the fact that MnK can be much more precise on getting one dot on the screen to be at a certain location, that it’s a lot easier to control recoil for guns, that you can have many different bindings without having to reuse the same buttons for things, that there are unfair non-human inputs like mouse scroll wheel to assist in many different movement techs (some of which are actually impossible to do on controller), and the fact that you can instantly shield swaps while moving mad in a death box. Plus, that little “move your crosshair relative to your mouse” thing you mentioned is 10x more useful than moving reticle without reset. None of these issues are brought up for unfairness even though it is actually unfair. Saying that the goal is to be fair is actually hypocritical because nobody cares when the shoe is on the other foot.
I agree with your argument that maybe it is not good for competitive, then just make it a rule for the comps game. Most people do not play like pros, and what people are asking is basically just take 1 input away completely. Because as of right now, all people want to do is to take things away to benefit themselves, not actually leveling the playing field.
I don't trust this community to know when to stop. Have you not seen the way everything is handled in this game? Usually people just bitxh about things they cant deal with, then even after it gets nerfed, they'll still bitxh about it because a narrative has been formed and these people cannot take responsibility for anything.
Would you like if I propose we take away/nerf ALL of the MnK advantages I mentioned above? A game where you're constantly trying to take away things in order to "balance" is a game bound to become 1-dimensional and boring. Noone ever has raised the idea to add things instead of taking things away. So why is it that only one subset of people ALWAYS has to get the short end of the stick?
Because there was no crossplay and mixed input catering for multiplayer games back then. If controller players weren't forced into PC lobbies no one would be complaining even today lol they could aimbot each other in their console/controller lobbies all day long for all I care.
Kandy and boom VS me and my friend? You guys are getting destroyed
ohh velociraptor has so calm voice. *_*
No 2 vs 1?!
I want a code
For sure call of duty quick scopes weren’t as intense as cs 1.6 quick scopes
You guys doing a video with him coaching you would be a great watch! Just sayin’
he has nothing to teach he just crutches aim assist lmao
You know whats funny? That Boom had the same aim assist as Evan. Imagine that! Almost as if you were able to see that in the video 🙀@@Trike2Trappy
moz in 1s?
You shoud have superglided Boom
cheese borgor
True
I would absolutely cook y’all let me give y’all try
Evan's so classy :)
Lykais just needs a life not anything else
Nice Video Guys
Gg
Evan not lying he never uses skins
1 v 1
Can I 1v1 you please
People unironically thinking he only won because it’s controller and not because he’s a pro player that has fought the best in the world on both inputs and won.
As someone that plays both both have advantages but up close sure AA has a clear ease of use since it slows down. But I don’t use that excuse fighting a fuckin pro player who all around is just better and faster than me. Learn some humility 😂 hard stuck bronze MnK players are acting like hard stuck bronze controllers are all a Verhulst
You should've 2v1'ed Verhulst
Evan can easily 1v2 them.. as much as I love kandy and boom, they wouldn't have a chance against him lol
@@tzuzu5240 I think they win almost every time fighting in the pit if they co-ordinate. But that house would've made for an amazing 2v1 and Id expect Evan to win more than 50% if they fought there
@@zHawkC idk if you know verhulst that well but this guy managed to 1v3 pro stack teams before in the past multiple times.. He's indeed one of the best (if not) the best controller players in the world right now in terms of skills and overall achievements.. Don't get me wrong, kandy and boom are indeed great players and they are still above average but they are only content creators and not on pros levels and this is coming from a guy who watch kandy for 3 years now.. If verhulst can 1v3 pro stack team before, then 1v2 against above average players is definitely not a challenge at all for him.. Sure he will lose 2 to 3 rounds but 90% of their fights, he will beat them easily..
@@tzuzu5240 Yeah I know Evan, I watch (and have attended) ALGS. He's the best roller player in the world in a straight fight imo. But I respectfully disagree.
Most of those 1 v 3s are off drop when his teammates have already done damage and they involve high ground, doors or knockdown shield plays. He's not fighting 3 at exactly the same time with no help.
To straight 1 v 2 in a tiny arena is incredibly hard, even for him if the 2 players work together and don't let Evan have two 1v1s.
Which is why fighting in the house would be really beneficial for him over the arena, his movement, doorplay, peek damage etc would get to shine.
No shield swaps/nades/weapon imbalances in this scenario remember.
I don't doubt he'd wipe the floor with kandy and boom in a BR scenario, he would. But in a tiny arena they can both ape him at the same time and only have to do 100 dmg each while he has nowhere to go, it's not realistic to think he's still winning 90% of those fights. He often had his shield cracked in these 1v1s and that's without a second person shooting at exactly the same time and having to do 225 more damage.
@zHawkC you said that he will struggle if he fights in tiny areas or if they fight together and won't allow him to 1v1 but the funny thing is recently, he already experienced this in control.. you can check it out by yourself based on my previous comment, giving you the link.. and if you watched the video, you can clearly see that multiple times he got rushed by multiple peoples and sometimes two people right next to each other try to swing on him and he can still beam them and survived.. I don't think you understand how insane his 1v3 scenarios are cuz 1v3 a full stack pros (doesn't matter if they are slightly weaker) is way harder than 1v2 content creators whose skills are slightly about average..
woah
i dont wanna be that guy but i think i could beat yall
i peaked gold :(
Dang
Lykais probably use macros. macros is like cheating that respawn allows for some odd reason.
the only mnk movement that requires macros is neo strafing which lykais did not do. What he did do was ras strafe and tap strafes. Nothing insane
people dont understand if you were in stream i was literally just superglide meleeing cause everyone saw it as goofy@@nnoir
Plss i need to c content not see that you have not posted something for a long time, btw i can help you with content ideas
me too pls
If you need scripts like that wraith you d s
1 hr gang
how you not know what a quick scope is....how embarrasing
✌️
Lykais is legit using configs to move that fast…
that is what u call a scripter my dude. a type of player that even movement player like faide wont go against cuz its ridiculous.
@@smuggy2111It's not scripts and those lurch strafes aren't even that crazy tbh. Try playing on the voltaic 1v1 servers, much better movement players on there
@@omegaPhixsure.
@@smuggy2111 bot
@@omegaPhix u're right.
Nuh uh
Yay 2
See i can sometimes see content creators winning but cerent content creators really are just hetre to make u laugh unlike Evan