French Cleat System, Revolutionized | You HAVE to See This
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Everyone: Oh a good idea, let's steal it.
Chris: Oh good idea in a potentially competing product to mine - let's spotlight it and show it to the world!
You're one of the good ones man. Keep it up, hope you and the family has the best 2023 and that everyone is doing awesome!
Thank you for this Christian way. I see it is everybody wins the more people get involved in this community. Thank you for the kind words. Hope you have a great week.
Brilliant concept, expertly machined, sturdy material but a very competitive market with a multitude of different options without all of the machining for less money.
This is so cool. Thanks to everyone!
Hi Meyer 👋
Love the products and, of course, how you support other makers and can laugh at yourself!! Thanks for being real Chris.
My pleasure!! Good to hear from you ma’am
I remember watching April’s first ever video when it came out. She’s achieved so much since then. Very impressive and thoroughly deserved.
Which video, specifically?
@@willwyatt7023 that was a long time ago. Probably 10years or so. I can’t recall that video but it was super basic. Maybe search her posted vids? I do remember that she got a ton of abuse from men who wanted to belittle her in what she was doing. Glad to see she rose above that.
@@alexreid4131 "she got a ton of abuse from men" yeah that never happened.
@@sandygrungerson1177 oh it did brother. I was pretty gross to watch. Glad she overcame it and proved them all wrong.
@@alexreid4131 lol... a relatively few agitators, who happened to be paid commentators, like you - paid to create artificial drama. hope youre proud of your life's work LOL.
It'll be so GREAT once ALL videos proclaim "You HAVE to see this" so that we will FINALLY know which ones to watch for sure.
Miller
Hi Chris, that was awsome my friend, all I need is a workshop, I hope you and your family have a great 2023, best regards from Australia.
Thanks, you too bud!!
While cool, it looks to me like they're turning about 30% of a sheet of plywood into saw dust. Has to be a way to do this just as accurately without so much waste.
Love the way you makers collaborate….Best of luck from St Augustine
Thanks so much!
St. Augustine is a really cool place
This looks like a 1-piece solution for something that 2 pieces would do much more efficiently and cheaply. Laminating 1/4 inch cleat strips onto 1/4 inch plywood would do the exact same job. I do like the channels on the back if you needed to run wires behind the cleat wall though.
Chris - Post these videos on Facebook too and you can eventually monetize them on there as well! Great work
Most definitely a good idea Facebook following is not nearly enough to monetize. Yeah I think you need to have 10,000 followers or so. I may be wrong but I believe that’s what I heard. I recently eclipse 19,000 on Instagram and those have been paying out a little bit but not much.
You guys knocked it out of the park! Great job!!
I just love a French cleat Wall. And yours is on steroids 😂
Thanks so much
Pretty interesting system indeed, Chris! 😃
Thanks a bunch for sharing!!!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Hmm 🤔
I love all of you involved and appreciate your work
With that said… the whole point of a French cleat is that it’s a low waste, easy, customizable DIY solution.
If you take out the DIY, I don’t see the point. If I’m buying a solution and not making it from scratch, I’d just buy aluminum z-clips for cheap.
So, I guess I don’t see the market value personally.
Thank you Chris for everything you do!!! 😀👍
My pleasure!
That’s sick
@AGlimpseInside0 what is your email
I noticed you store your spray bottles on cleats. I’ve been doing that since I started using cleats, and applaud spray bottle manufacturers for their creative design in support of cleat users everywhere.
Mentor
Maybe you (or the other creators) could brand things with "Hold my Gear".
That’s a great idea
I love French cleat system but don't get me wrong that seem to be very wasteful. You have to mill the space in between (every 4 inches or so like the video said). Old school French cleat still works for me but thanks for sharing.
Absolutely LOVE how you have to go into debt to use a good idea!
you dont have to use the system presented in the video. original cleats work. the new system shown can also be made.
Appreciate this bud!
I like your “resin art” lol!
Awesome products! It’s cool that April is producing these for Pete, and you’re producing stuff for it too!
Yeah and get this. I actually ordered some from the woodshed inconspicuously and they are unbelievable quality. I’ll give an update about this soon, but I just figured I’d let you know.
@@AGlimpseInside haha sneaky!! I would expect nothing less from April - she rocks!
You are incredible for doing this Chris!! So awesome!! I’m here to help and return the favor man!! 😉👍
Thanks for the opportunity man. It’s an honor well-deserved beat. Your mind works and such awesome ways the world needs to know what you think.
Collaboration trump’s competition every time. Great work gents!
@@juniordelgiorno5260 Agreed and thank you Junior! 😀👍
@@AGlimpseInside The honor is mine Chris! You have been a huge inspiration to all of us! Your are a positive force in the maker community 🌟👍
@petesquared any thoughts of an HD version in the future? You know, in case I want to install a truck on my wall. 😅😅
I’m on it. It was great memory from meeting you 😊
Yes it was maam.
Can’t help feeling this is all getting over complicated…still, strokes for folks I guess.
I’d tend to agree. For me the attraction of this system was that it was something just about anyone could do with the tools they likely already had, and it was stupid simple. Basic, but stupid simple. Now we’re looking at a French Cleat system that appears to use…French cleats to hang it. Not to say it doesn’t work as advertised, but that looks like she requires quite a bit more work to reproduce, or you crack open that wallet and buy it ready made.
Awesome idea but at $99 for one 20x20” panel is expensive
Mac I want to know your thoughts on this. Trying to keep everything in house meaning manufacturing them in the United States makes them the price that they are. Would you rather everything the outsourced to Asia with lesser materials to be cheaper?
Its actually 3 20" X 20" panels, 2 with holes and 1 without holes. That said, it is still too expensive, I'll make my own.
@@AGlimpseInside First of all its not a criticism about this product. But I was taken back by the cost, I was envisioning to fill the entire wal above my 20ft workbench about 36” high it would require about 30 panels or $2970! You know best about your workflow and capabilities of your shop. From my limited perspective it seems waist-full to me to remove that much material in material and machine time. Perhaps a combination of pre cut French cleats with the pre drilled holes that can be glued and screwed agains the wal or plywood. Just a thought.
Yeah, there’s no doubt that these are more of the high-end Style I just found them so unique and really aesthetic. But I totally get standard cleats because he and I honestly that’s what I have gone with to start my maker journey.
What am I missing here? How is this different than any other French cleat other than an exorbitant price that exceeds mass produced solutions?
If the plans only price is ridiculous for somethingthat could be modeled in less than an hour. I understand there's a development phase but how much of that was DFM versus the idea?
Before I can truly answer your question, I do wanna know what DFM stand for
I'm all for innovation and such.... BUT... I can hang a 3/4" ply sheet ($36 nice finish on one side) and cut another reg 3/4 into 3" x 96" cleats ($32) and have 32sf of cleats for under $70. Whereas this is $99 for less than 12sf... What am I missing here? Throw stones if you must... I'm currently reconfiguring my 2-car garage (my wood shop) into french cleats wall-to-wall. I just finished my back wall...18' x 8' (but only cleated 12' because of tankless water heater in the back corner) using 3 sheets of 3/4" ply for the panels, and 2 sheets of 3/4" ply for the cleats at a total cost of about $200 (and would even be about $40 cheaper if I went with 1/2"). it would cost me over $800 using these...and thats just for the smaller back wall.
Looks like a wooden m-loc rail lol. Thats awesome
I think I’m missing something. Did you put up cleat runners on your wall, take a panel and attach cleats to it, make a tool holder, attach cleats to it, then hang it on the panel? If I got it right, the panel is redundant.
We're getting so excited!
😊 yeah me tooooooo
Do these panels have some protective finish on them? I’m thinking these panels combined with your holders would be much more versatile than the metal wall control systems.
There is no finish as they come. I appreciate the kind words about our systems. Also, if it’s any thing worth mentioning, I have a Baltic birch end table that’s been outside for about a year with no finish on it whatsoever and it is dark gray at this point but it’s still very structurally sound
Cool. I am not a little absent minded woodworker. I'm a large absent minded woodworker! LOL. Happy New Year matey.
Ian 👋
Chris, Will your clamp brackets fit the design of this wall system? Thanks for sharing, wishing you and your family a great 2023!
Thank you Dave. You would have to use the brackets. I just came out with to fit most of the products I have. Including those Clamp brackets. Thinking of working on designs for everything to fit this. I just gotta find the time to do it brother
@@AGlimpseInside Thanks Chris, looking forward to it.
Well I missed it I guess. What are all the domino holes for? I also missed how this is so much better than your cleat wall. Your a good guy Chris and I enjoy your videos. Keep punchin
Therefore inches apart, and 1 inch wide each to install into studs
One benefit I see is this could be used to alter the size and spacing of existing cleats without a reinstall….also could be a quicker install (one step) for a wall with NO cleats at all, right?
$99 for three panels that you could make for about $5-$10. What an idea!
Make them then. Where are you getting Baltic birch for $35 a sheet
@@AGlimpseInsidethat *barely* covers the Baltic Birch plywood
I have nothing to say really, but I appreciate your content, and wish to help with the yt-algorithms.
Marius 👋
Interesting idea. so the thickness of the cleat is only 1/4”?
I thought the same thing, “dang that’s not a very deep cleat, how strong can it be?“
But thinking about it, if you glue three-quarter plywood to the backer panel to make your cleat you’re still relying on the glue between the pieces. That’s really not any different than relying on the glue inside the plywood. The internal plywood and glue may even be stronger.
Then, once you run screws into the backer, studs, those cleats are probably up there for life.
I have pete's dust boot on my avid, he's a smart guy!
Right on man. He really is
Very cool
I am confused. He said that the entire thing was made from a 1/2" Baltic but you say "the thickness of the cleats is only 1/4" while sanding your parts.
It’s sold out. Can plans for them be also purchased?
Hi Victor 👋
How plumb and flat do our studs need to be for these things? One could theoretically make these panels out of their own quarter inch plywood, but I would be afraid they would be wavy once they got screwed to the studs. Do these have the ability to twist, bend, or warp? Or does the 1/2” thick sections of the cleats keep them fairly rigid?
New to this. What's the best economical plywood to use for this kind of stuff. umm not baltic birch.
The import Burch is good or Home Depot sells a Sandy ply, which is decent to get started
That would have been me if I was there. I hate following the herd when I can make my own, so trailblazing it is.
Have these been discontinued? Out of Stock and not on the woodshed either?
sorry not the length for the fastest The source where you purchased the screws
All good man
amazing product, a little pricey tho. great design.
your mod is a simple cool add on.
Nice show. What kind of type and brand are the trim screws you using?
Dont get it - you need this new system for three screws to store three pretty small measuring devices?
I get that you get a wall of cleats ready made. But I don't know why you couldn't do it with just regular cleats. Like you did for you postal shed. Much much less work, I get it. But otherwise equivalent. Or am I missing something obvious?
It’s just a really awesome take on the concept of the fridge Cleat. It’s like showcasing a higher in luxury automobile, and its features versus a base model. I’m in the analogy before that you can get to work in both type of cars. But something about the aesthetics of this being on a large wall in your shop I just feel good to walk into said shop.
Ok Chris, can you help this old guy out? I can't read that red signature that you were showing. I'm guessing DiResta but it looks like Tony Dorsett
Yeah man Jimmy all day!!
You're AWESOME Chris, LOVE your videos!
I appreciate that Grant!
Besides being much thinner, is there any other advantage compared to whatever we used to see? I might have missed the point of this system
The main difference is that with typical Fred’s cleats I would really never install them over drywall finding the studs every 16 inches. I would always put a backer board up first and then put the French cleat on that backer board. With this system you don’t need to do that. You have pre-drilled holes every 4 inches to allow you to find studs wherever they are , and also one other main reason is purely aesthetic as well. These panels would group together in a large setting look really great and sometimes walking into a maker space that is just decked out with something that looks awesome really does enhance the creativity.
@@AGlimpseInside I actually find your setup more eyes pleasing. You took time to plan out your French cleat layout and it looks better without the pre drilled holes.
@@b3arwithm3I love bears 🐻
Using french cleats to hang a french cleat panel so you can mount things on it with french cleats.
Yep like I said French cleat inception, you know the only reason I did it is because I don’t have much water without them already
I just tried to order some of the french cleat panels, but he is sold out. Will you be making these in conjunction with Pete?
I do not make the panels he does. I simply make the accessories. I will give him a call tonight to get the goings on.
@@AGlimpseInside Thank you
Nice
whats the idea behind routing the back of the panel. thats adding a lot more cnc time and not adding anything of value. it might keep it flater but its screwed to the wall anyway so would that matter that much.
i like the idea but not at that price. 1 sheet of ply would french cleat a large area.
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Here you go
What's the length for the fasteners
Cshardware.com it’s also linked in the description in the length are used in the video was an inch and a quarter, but I do have inch and 5/8 and 2 1/4 inch screws always at the ready
Thomas Boyer
Its the equilivent of a sheet of peg board. A neat idea but really just an expensive way of implementing a simple idea.
I look at it this way. You can get to and from work in a Kia Sephia. But every once in a while, it will be nice to go to work in a F150 king ranch or a BMW. You get it.
@@AGlimpseInside Well if you drive he Kia to work, not the other two, you have a lot more to spend on new tools.
Haha yeah yeah that’s why I drove a trailblazer. Feel like 16 years.
Chris, God bless you bro!!!
I like your works and joy making great and useful things.
Many thanks for all bro, I took several ideas from you and applied them in my new workshop. Blessings!!!
I am mechanical engineer but I like woodworking too. I love materials created by God and enjoy working on them.
Glory to our Lord Jesus for this and every blessing a day.
Greetings for you and your family from Peru. 😎👍
Thank you so much. I really appreciate the kind words and I’m wishing you all the best as well.
That's the kind of error I'd make!
“Absent minded”….you made a 70 year old feel much younger.
I don't see the excitement on the panels that April makes. The stuff you make is just and good and easier to make.
I appreciate the kind words about what I do here. Clever, it’s not easy to see on camera I guess but once these panels are installed, the aesthetics of them looks really awesome and I do recommend them for people who don’t wanna put a backer board up on drywall. As I would never install cleats directly to drywall. These panels eliminate the need for a backer board.
At least the brackets are reasonable but the panels 😂 100$ for two panels? Can by a sheet of nice plywood for 60 and make a whole wall crazy ridiculous price but that’s my opinion I’ll keep my money
Hi Keith 👋
If you can't make your own cleats, what's the point? If there so complicated you have to get them manufactured, what's the point? Taking the Y it of DIY.
Where's the link for the workman's con?
www.workbenchcon.com
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$99 for 2 -20" squares? Wow.
Hi Tony 👋
Awsome
Luc 👋
Well Lionel Richie certainly could have used this. 😉
Absolutely he could. French cleat the easiest way to get to the ceiling.
Making this in a factory defeats so much of being a woodworker. Would be better to give us the plans for $20 and not require a CNC
Petesquared23.com the plans are available as well. Check them out.
You put French cleats on your French cleats… 😂
Anthony 👋
I can’t imagine a woodworker with their salt would bother with this system.
well okey then, if you insist ill watch it
That mistake you made with the boards facing the wrong way - get used to it. It is called a SENIOR MOMENT.
🤪 hahaha
I make those kinds of mistakes all the time.
But I’m 70. Lol
Brian 👋
Actually, you only did one the wrong way. Not half bad.
Too shallow cleat for deep shelves, but enough for hanging tools. Also, having cleat connecton on top of cleat connection is a waste of space and rather pointless.
$99.00? Can’t afford that.
Trying to do as much manufacturing inside United States as possible. Of course, the price is going to be a little bit higher because of this.
At $100+shipping for TWO 20"x20" sections why would you buy this product over metal slat wall?
Aesthetics, if that’s your thing
Maybe you strike a chord with the creators who are creating them and want to support them?
If you’re a woodworker
Just to name a few
@@AGlimpseInside It's a cool idea but seems extremely overpriced, 1/2" 4x8 B2 birch plywood is about $87 for me at a hardware store, you can cut 8 22"x22" squares out of that. Since you get 2 22"x22" for $100 that means that they're taking an $87(cheaper if they're buying in bulk) sheet and charging $400 for it after tossing it into a CNC machine for 300% profit (maybe 250-200% if you account for power usage).
@@AGlimpseInside You're a really good dude and that's a large part of why I subscribed to your channel. At the time, you were actually making projects but it appears you're no longer interested in that, which is a shame. Admittedly, not really a fan of your "new journey" of cranking out products to sell to other woodworkers, largely because I'm not interested in them but I do applaud you making a living for your family and think it's fantastic that you can. However, I'm not here to "support" you or other makers. It's a value proposition - I'm here to learn, discover new techniques, be somewhat entertained and in return I'll subscribe and even purchase something from you if I think there's value in it. I'm not going to buy something just to "support" makers or because April Wilkerson is involved and has CNC machines to fund (unsubscribed from her channel long ago). Granted, this is just my perspective but these panels look like a solution in search of a problem and I'm not interested in a boutique French cleat system - especially at that ridiculous price point. I apologize for the rant but the attitude of "support us, just because", touches a nerve. If all you're going to do is continue to make CNC'd products to sell to other woodworkers, I'm afraid I'm out. There's just no value in that for me.
@@wesir427 Baltic birch is sold in 5'x5'. These panels are 20"x20".
This means 9 panels per sheet or $300 in sales. My local supplier is $85 each right now in bulk 5+ sheets. Let's be generous and say it's only 1 hour machining and set up at $100. Factor in the headaches of setting up POS, marketing, packing/shipping, customer relations and he's probably barely turning a profit if at all.
It's a an interesting idea that solves problem that didn't exist using expensive materials and processes.... but he's not taking in the cash like you think. He be far better off licensing to a mass producer, but they'd just steal his idea and cheapen it to the point of unusability.
Anyone who has experience running a business and handling cash flow knows a 2x or 3x profit on materials is more than normal. Youre failing to calculate labor involved and profit necessary to sustain the business.
@@srmofoable fair enough, to me french cleats are a much more affordable option to metal slat wall and the cost for 2 22" squares from them brings it up to being the same cost if not more expensive per sqft. If you're only doing a small space it's probably a good option but if you're looking to do an entire shop/garage wall most people aren't going to be able to justify that cost.
Or use pallet wood for free. 😂
Lol!!! For the woodworker that doesn’t actually do any woodworking. Who buys this? If you’re buying French cleats or plywood tool holders as a woodworker, you’re clearly doing it wrong.
Well, I’m glad to know these products appeal to a bigger audience than woodworkers workers
I sure hope so
They're ridiculously expensive.
2 each 20 by 20 panels $100. I think I can do better.
Thanks for checking it out man
Also. Would you rather the cost be lower if we were to outsource the manufacturing overseas or are you OK with keeping it made in the USA?
On the linked website it says 2 panels with holes and 1 panel without holes, still too high for 3 20 X 20 pieces of ply.
@@AGlimpseInside I will keep it made in the USA, but by French Cleats will be hand made by me and installed by me. Much more cost effective.
That is the most absurd bs pricing I've seen in a long time. $100 for two 20x20 panels... 🤣 You'd have to be a complete tool to buy into that nonsense.
Right? “Woodworking” UA-camrs these days are just professional grifters to rubes who can’t be bothered to actually make anything.
@@Codeyellow Not sure I'd label them as grifters but some of them sure are phony. April Wilkerson is touted as some master craftsman when she's anything but. She's tenacious, no doubt but her real skill is giggling to grow a YT channel ... that, and talking companies into giving her expensive equipment. "I wanted to learn how to weld, so I reached out to Lincoln ... and look at all my great welding equipment - he-he"!
Curious to know your opinion about Woodpeckers tools as well. And have you ever used them?
@@AGlimpseInside Not sure how it's relevant to this particular conversation but yes I've bought and sold more than a few of their stuff and kept even less. They started strong, built a decent brand then went off the deep end increasing prices while losing quality. I learned a long time ago brand loyalty is how companies screw you in the long run. More often than not, I can find a better product than WP at the same price or a little more which is fine because it's better.
@@philshock3805 The Samurai Carpenter is a woodworker. Folks that are highly skilled and precise in their attention to detail and craftsmanship are woodworkers. These folks, me included are hobbyist DIYers. Nothing more.
Overkill from yet another “look at me “ American. It’s for a Workshop FFS!
Oh just Baltic birch, where can I get some of that 🫤
Don’t see a link for WorkbenchCon
Glad I am not the only one 🙂 and a Google search only came up with workman's compsation events
Workbenchcon.com
@@AGlimpseInside thanks!