This Old Benz with Kent Bergsma: Tired 300SD What's it Worth Part 1
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- See Part 2: • This Old Benz with Ken... I don't really want to buy another project Mercedes, but the owner told me to make a reasonable offer. I will show you the car in a walk-around. Help me decide what I should offer the seller.
$1200 if it runs good. That engine actually looks pretty clean. I have several others without engines in much better shape, so if it was me I’d buy this one for the engine/trans and save the car for parts.
I was thinking the same 1k -1.2k at most.
Your country is amazing. Allowing Diesel cars to ply on road. My country may ban diesel cars after 2030. And maintaining such beauties will not be possible after the horrible and treacherous laws.
Amazing Content !! Thank You !!!
"Yes" but: When I have learned something from our history it will be: never go the same way than the mainstream. The majority of the people never won all together in modern history. I live in european union. I will keep my 1991 diesel engine: Mercedes OM602 no matter what politicians will tell me.
In which country do you live?
If you live in the UK, you can drive petrol, diesel, hybrid, etc. for as long as you like. The only change from 2030, if the change is confirmed, is that you won't be able to BUY A NEW one. Buy one in 2029 - or keep your old Benz - and drive it as long as you like.
@@htimsid Some s-hole in Europe?
Banning perfectly useable cars is stupid and benefits no one.
As long as the drivetrain and mechanics work then offer $1000, if the air conditioning work add $500. There is no need to restore this one as it appears to be alittle too far gone; the car makes a perfect daily driver.
Yes if the engine and trans good and the breaks exhaust $1000-$1500 all day long then spend the money for the body work !!!!
Hi Kent,
Great info as always. Thank you. I was lucky in buying an '83 300sd in '03 for $2,500. 305,000 mi at the time. 429,000 now. Changed oil and filters every 3,000 miles. Used LiquidMoly as instructed. Renewed most everything under the car as it came up. You and your daughter saved me so many times with precise DIY videos and Products, inclu renewing the ignition housing...made it a piece of cake. Thank you, and yours, many times over for your devotion to old Mercs and their owners. Living in France now, and looking for a cherry W 123 !
Not sure you are in the salvage yard business but if you are $300-500 . Engine looks in good shape ( clean) and is probably the only thing worth saving. They sell for $1.5-3k on eBay but if you charge yourself $150-200 per hour to get the engine out , clean it etc you are quickly back to $500 max for the car . Rims probably worth something, say $100-150 each on a good day but then you need to get rid of the body shell which has little value to the salvage yard so they will charge you to take it off your lawn. At that point they have you by the short and curlies as without an engine or wheel the car won’t move so it will have to go on a truck which is expensive. The alternative which one sees often in the American countryside is just park it out front with the old fridges, washing machines and other assorted goods. Provides talking points for those driving past :).
Upscale white trash with a merc on blocks instead of an old Plymouth
spot on all accounts
$300 - it even says it on the trunk!
Lol yes!
Worth more than the way it looks! The engine is a factory MB replacement!!!!!!
The rest of it needs 20 or 30 grand to restore it to a sale price of 10 grand. The engine might be amazing but you have to get it out, market it, hold onto it until it sells and ship it. That takes time.
I thought that might be true. I remember the video Kent showed of the replacement valve cover having a long ridge down the side. ?
Kent, you said you would need a parts car to restore this? THIS IS the parts car! BTW, Thank You again for your help on that triip odometer WIRE! (Spring) As a side note? My LemonHead collection continues to grow!
Thanks, Kent. We’re figuring out the same thing with an ‘83 300SD (our current 30th 617 runner), so your timing is providential. $1000-$1200 sounds about right. I’d consider buying the transmission from you, if the number matches and it shifts smoothly. The rest looks pretty rough, so it’d be good for stripping parts
I just paid 700 dollars for a 300td station wagon that’s about the same shape. The reason I bought it is the engine has no blow bye, and with some love it will make a good daily driver.
Sorry but much as I love these in that condition it's a parts car. To me no car that wont' start is worth more than a grand. However that depends on the condition of the motor, which if I'm correct is not original to this car but a replacement. Looking at the raised seam along the valve cover. So assuming it starts and runs well I'd say between 1500 to 2000.
I would say that the Owner should pay you $2000 to take it on. It is basically less than worthless.
It depends what you want to do with it. If it runs and drives, $500. If it does not, this is a junkyard parts car. $250 to $300 max. If you had a parts car with a good interior to replace all the interior stuff, if you just wanted a safe beater, I would have to see the brakes, and suspension and see if there is any rust underneath. Definitely a parts car , not a restoration candidate. The bodywork needed is immense!!!!
Love your videos Kent. I've been watching for years.
$500.00 on the car if it runs without blow-by. Basically buying the engine and parts
I love Mercedes and own several (108, 126, 201, 202, 107 endless project) but this on is a "Teile-Spender"! Greetings from Mercedes town!
The resale value of vintage MB cars, depends on what part of the country you are on. CA has nice cheap cars available. New England has expensive rusty cars available.
My current daily is an 84 300SD
268k. Bought it for 2400$ 10 years ago with 156k. About the shape that one is in. Get consistent 26-28mpg on original transmission. These vehicles will outlast most owners. They ride better than the 123.
Hi Kent! $800 to the seller for the car, it’s mostly toast. If it had a set of front ABS wheel sensors I’d give you $500 for those, and I’m sure you’d clear enough just selling the engine (if it runs) to make it worth your time producing the video. Bonus- I’m in Seattle and would drive up for the sensors, saving you the shipping.
$100 kills it. At least $6000 for an inexpensive paint job, Plus body work. You could spend $10,000 to make it a $2500 car.
I would say a good daily driver if engine is good. Driver's seat easily replaced with new foam and MbTex, I ordered the parts from a company in California, they were factory perfect, and had a local auto upholsterer do the work for both front seats of my 79 240D, you would not know they were not new from factory. Forget the body work.
I love those 300SD !
It has 4 potential values : a) Its scrap metal value b) Its parts car value c) Its value as a daily driver less the cost to get it there and d) Its value for someone who has to have it as a really good condition car, less the cost to get it there. I imagine this one should be done on the basis of its parts values less a decent margin on those parts. Note : I know nothing
Buy it for parts alone. No brainer Kent.
200 bucks as is.
750 bucks with a good running engine.
That engine looks clean!!! Parts car, use that engine as a donor. $800.00 max if you jump it and it starts right up and the transmission shifts well, if not run 🏃♂️
I recommend you watch the remaining three videos in this series.
I have two 1981 300 SD s. These are great cars... a better car than the 123 chassis turbo diesels, in my opinion. I drove 123 s for 15+ years. Hands down the best diesel Mercedes ever produced. Too bad it's so far gone.
In Cuba, that car would be around for the next 100 years.
$1500. They did bring the car to you. Parts only car though.
I agree with the $1500, but if you cared enough that quarter could be replaced, then the car would be more attractive.
@@richardsgarage6697 It still needs a lot of body work on basically all other body panels. And a full respray. And the interior. There are cars to be found that are in much better condition to start with.
This is almost not a parts cars since it seems to be damaged in all the usual (and then some) areas.
cars are pricey today, and the junk yards will usually give 300 to 400 for a running car. id offer around 500 to 700, but if it runs good, you could get around 1200 on marketplace or more for it
$1000 Engine and trans good, and no other mechanical issues there you go daily driver right out of the box !
UFFDA! Really a "walk away" project to me. Miles? Show us the running engine then take it for a spin. Any fluid leaks?
Was this imported from Morocco? It has that sort of vibe...
He’s got to give it to you and even so, you’d better buy a good one
Pass on it!
$4500 that thing will definitely run they built like tanks the engine
recently purchased parts from you 👍
to fix mine up 1981 turbo diesel
You don't need a parts car to restore it, it is actually the parts car that will be used to restore a better one
$1000 if it runs well. The engine looks ok, give the car a chance :)
That's the same year and model that I bought this summer!
Kent $450.95 USD. It's obvious your better half hasn't changed the house locks, or called the doctor for a health check up from the neck up. Please take this under your care so all of us out in U-tube land can continue to learn valuable trade secrets. Your the best!
Words of wisdom.
People that think every car should be restored have obviously never tried to restore a car in this condition. At best I'd part this one out. However well it runs I wouldn't offer more than $1,000 for it because of all the time and labour it will take to get the good parts out and market and sell them.
Miles? I paid $1100 for my 82 300sd that was in slightly better shape, then restored it. Added mods like a hood stack. I get asked about it and receive compliments everywhere i go. I would probably pay $800 for that one if its over 200k miles.
$500 if the engine and transmission, passes Kent, buyer guide tests.
If it runs well, has working A/C, a good trans, maybe $1000, but only if one is willing to part it out. Parting out a car should have at least a 4 to 1 ratio, so $4000 in parts after all the effort to store the vehicle, advertise the parts, test the parts, remove them, possibly ship the parts to the buyer, etc. This diesel is not worth restoring. A lower mileage 5cyl 300SD in spectacular condition is maybe a $15k or $20k car, which one can find rather easily on the internet. It'd be far cheaper to buy a very good one than to restore this one. I estimate that it would take $40k+ to (mostly) restore it, doing a fair amount of the smaller detail/mechanical work oneself. Example: I just spent more than $17k to correct and repaint my 1991 560sel at a very good Mercedes restoration center (dealership autobody shop). Because it has been garage kept all its life, and with only 36k actual miles, my 560 was already in excellent shape to begin with, having only some door dings and rock chips, and one small rust spot. But, because of the miles, condition, and big V8, my 560 with is now closer to a $40k or even $45k car (that may steadily appreciate), so its fairly worth the investment. Also, beware of the condition of the window trims. Those chrome surrounds can be very difficult to source.
$800 max! depending upon the condition of the engine and transmission
Ooph, yeah I would tend to stick to triple digits for that old girl. It's really just a parts car unfortunately.
The Engine is a Factory Remanufactured Unit, it’s worth a Couple Grand on its own
I think without knowing in what state the engine is $500 if the engine turn out to run fine, maybe $1500
This thing was not just unloved. It was abused.
Sad to see this car in that state. And as always I ask myself how did it come to that? Who ripped the linings from the c-pillsars and why? Who destroyed the wood in the console and why? I have a '98 CLK for 10 years now and when something is broken, I fix it (or let it fixed). Are the people crazy, letting this happen to a running car?
The car is ready for the scrapyard, I'd offer between $225 and $450 considering you'll have to spend between 8K/11K (excluding the paint job) to have it in decent conditions to be on the road.
why kill a rare car?
That car is already dead, a good engine in a horribly neglected body. Would you spend 10/11K just to have it in drivable conditions?
@@gianmariamalmesi4133
you drive it till it dies, without rebuilding the motor, or fixing up the body.
I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole, maybe 700 for parts.
So, as a Brit - if I had the storage and the time on my hands I'd love one of those. We never got the Diesel S Class here and that engine looks fresh to me. Very little rust (most cars that age here will want front wings (fenders), sills / sill ends (rockers) and rear arches. Its over 40 years old so now "Historic Vehicle" status - so no annual road taxes / registration fees or annual MoT test required. You just have to maintain it to the legal standard and insure it.
Again, in the "if I had the money" world then I'd almost be tempted to find some guys from Poland / Romania / Hungary and take it out to them - a lot of them are not old guys yet were trained to panel beat everything by hand from the time before EU membership / growth made their economies more disposable too. There's some incredible work done out there - easy to find on google. I've seen an E9 BMWs done by a small group of specialists that was astonishing and a lot cheaper than doing in the UK.
A quick look online at auction results says that could be a $55/60k at auction done nicely, so there could be margin in it. Depends how you price your time and how good / cheap your interior and paint people will be.
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Realistically? I'd offer $500. Someone might be able to get $1500 for the drivetrain if things are in good shape. Poor car! 😭
I'm sorting out a 1987 300SDL and all those small details are painful and expensive (both in time and money).
$500 or less. My 300sd has everything working except the transmission. Ill buy it from you for parts.
How much is scrap metal worth in your state?
on this episode of the price is right $800
If the engine and transmission are good, around $1,000 is fair. It is too far gone to restore. However, if you can get it road worthy meaning safe and reliable with good brakes, tires, drivetrain, suspension, working A/C heater, etc…then not bad at all to use as is. The only cosmetic repairs to do would be alignment of the hood, headlight surround replacement, and improvement of the bondo repair on the left side with new bondo that is better done. Fix the trunk lock and put in a salvage driver seat to call it done. No need to go past that point. It could be a solid driver for under $2,500.
it would take two gallons of bondo to "repair" that quarter panel 😂
as Kent said that needs replacing. no way to repair something that mangled and have it look decent.
@@TireSlayer55 He said a good body shop would replace the entire panel which is a restoration. That bondo can be removed with a grinder and done again to where the chips and cracks are gone. It will improve the looks, not restore the body to like new specs.
I think fair would be double the price of scrap. That body and interior are shot.
Well the engine looks great but again can't hear it you didn't state the mileage but the body is poor I purchased an 83 420 sedan a few years back as a parts car as I needed the hood trunk and some other items I gave them 400 which I felt was very generous still have it here if u need parts plus the engine
I has an 81 SD which I loved got rid of it in 2004 with 495 on the clock
Offer $150
You’ll be spending at least $20-50K to get that car in decent shape with the body and interior work alone.
50k, come on...😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂 nobody is putting that car back on the road. It’s done.
Point being that Ken didn’t want to offend the owner by offering $200 which is a fair offer for a car that beat down.
Not sure about the running condition but that will drive the price, and only because it could be pulled. There is nothing intrinsically interesting about a 300 SD, they made a gazillion of them, and this one needs a lot of expensive repairs. Parts car only
$1000-$1200 it could be a good donor car. If the engine is ok & has good compression. Not sure it would be worth fixing to a decent standard.
Offer Him $1456, the engine looks good.
Use it as a donor to turbocharge an om616 240d?
I wouldn’t buy it…it needs too much to rehab the whole car. My rule is there needs to be one of the three factors (engine, body, interior) needs to be without need. In this video it has two strikes. If it runs well I’d consider it as a beater, but wouldn’t put too much more money into restoring it.
Parts car sadly, body damage, interior damage, electrical issues, paint. But the engine and transmission might be worth saving from this car along with some trims and other bits. 800 would be my number honestly
I would walk away from that one, Kent.
$500 Im currently fixing up an abused 190, and its pretty miserable, parts are scars and the original broken parts are difficult to fix.
Didn't see the underneath. Should have been put up in the air. I.M.H.O. limited parts car only - that is if the engine runs and is in fairly sound condition.
If the engine is good then there is some value. The rest looks way too rough for any hope of restoring the rig. Offer the gentleman five hundred and pray that you get a reasonable return in parting it out?
If it's your dream car and money is no object, go ahead and restore it. If you think you'll make a serious buck restoring it, you're smoking something stronger than the exhaust fumes.
1,000$
Give him a 1000 us dollars and sent it to me in the Netherlands !!!!
Definitely a parts car. $500 if the engine runs well.
If engine/drivetrain is good, maybe something around 1000$
$3500
Definitely not the candidate for restoration! Unless of course you have nothing better to do and money burning holes in both of your pockets. Reverting to your lifelong theory of rolling restoration is simply not possible here. Imagine yourself looking at it everyday, depressing! Anyway, $550 would be maximum I pay provided the engine is running steady on all cylinders.
I would pay $200 if I need spare parts.
I've seen better in junk yards. This is the "parts car". $300-500, no more.
If the engine runs as goos as it seems, 500$ and a do a complete refurb!!!
Its worth what it weighs ,scrap metal
He should pay you to take it.
500-750, just for the parts.
No. A running and driving car should not be for parts unless there is major damage.
@@eternalbeing3339 It depends on what you define as major damage. I see major damage. ;-) What do you think that fixing this one will cost? I'm from The Netherlands, curious about the USA prices.
Nothing, I’d stay away from that thing. Body, body, body and interior are the most important, I can go to any scrap yard and get an engine and transmission to that thing but body work and interior bits and pieces are hard to deal with and make 100% right. I wouldn’t want that at all.
If the cars engine and transmission is okay I would say €1500
$500 for that factory rebuilt engine…… if it runs well. Hopefully that owner did not treat that engine as badly as the car. Very upsetting to see how people treat these great cars.
Too far gone 😢
$500. Get it running good enough for a demo derby
$688.00
Engine looks recently steam-cleaned-it may be in the same real condition as the rest of the car. $500 as a parts car.
Don't.
Just save the engine if it is ok.
$750
I wouldn't buy that... $500 at most if you don't want to offend the owner.
500 bucks parts car. Strip anything you can from it and send the rest to car heaven.
$ 300 if the engine is fine
$617.95
the parts are worth something. but not a s a complete car . just too much money and effort to do this .
Never spend 10k restoring a 6k car...