The Fellowship of the Ring: 'Bend Not Break' Version | Frankly #58
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Recorded March 24, 2024
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In this Frankly, Nate recasts his favorite book series, the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings by J.R.R. Tolkien, with some speculative “archetypes” of our human world grouped by various timelines. The eventual reduction in energy and material accessibility will likely alter the archetypes that we’re familiar with today - perhaps to become something not helpful to larger society. What categories of human archetypes in the future will have the potential to best influence their communities and the Earth? What will the most powerful among us choose when it comes to protecting their (monetary, temporary) wealth vs using it towards prosocial collective responses? Finally, and most importantly what archetypes will form a new Fellowship of humans to ‘bring the ring to Mordor’ during humanity’s ‘Bend not Break’ moment? Which archetype do you resonate with? Are there others?
Artwork concepts by Nate Hagens, Natasha Linhart, and Leslie Bart-Lutz. Art compiled and edited by Jay Figuerdo using AI software Mid-Journey and other tools.
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As a psychotherapist and faculty at a master's degree, teaching career counseling, I have been thinking about this needed changes in the roles that people will have to play in the near, medium and far future. My students are always intrigued that I don't follow a regular, say "old and outdated class plan", but rather make them think about it by understanding more the REAL world. Thank you for your Frankly, I will include it in my classes now!.
Nice.
What beautiful moving & visionary episode. Thank you Nate & the art & production folks.
Nate thinks creatively, does not rant, and fosters receptive listening with facts and ideas.
Homemakers. Totally left them out. That's what 1/2 of all our ancestors were and good housekeeping/homemaking involves craft, healing, organization, teaching and the optimal use of limited resources. We need farmers, craftspeople and housekeepers. Everyone else is support staff.
Reading your comment I’m thinking about all of the homesteaders I am following, many of whom did not start out with the knowledge and are now nurturing small homesteads, farming, learning skills to support their homes, canning, preserving, dehydrating, planting herb gardens and medicinals, raising chickens for eggs, a cow and goats for milk and cheese, planting fruit and nut trees. Really becoming solid in sustainability. I think back to our ancestors who immigrated, or started over in new places where they had to learn the land. Build their homes. We can be taught much asking our elders and those who were here first how best to move forward living with love and care for one another and our planet.
Agreed. Matriarch doesn't cover it. When you back off from all the conveniences of modern life, you discover how difficult it really is, even without children. Well, small children. Traditionally, older children were drafted into all sorts of work. Girls took over spinning thread or yarn. That's why an older unmarried woman was called a spinster - she had noone to take over the spinning for her.
...sitting here wondering how I managed to land in a small community in a dark corner of youtube, talking about the same issues I care about in the world and having a love of the same books I've read multiple times as a young student, and which has certainly influenced me over the years... kinda freaky honestly...
Birds of a feather, I'd reckon. I also believe this is the largest issue of the entire human story ever!
It feels like we found our tribe, but the truth is we found lots of other people who play the same role in their respective tribes
That UA-cam algorithm sure is something, huh? 😅
Welcome!
not as dark as you think.
it is ad that IRL I cant find as many like minded people as this channel.
Good luck and stay true to that deep value you hold
The architype we all need to be: The Commoner - people who understand that nature and the commons can not be owned, it must be shared.
We will also need The Facilitator - people who can help facilitate horizontal governance and learning.
Love the Commoner and the Facilitator! Also suggest the Teacher, of ecological living.
@@hardypermaculture Def need them. As a teacher myself I always saw my role as a facilitator anyway... the learner comes to me already skilled, I just have to facilitate their acquisition of new learnings.
I see you have not heard about "The Tragedy of the Commons" - yet this is Lesson One (or should be) in all environment studies. Basically, Common Land shared by humans (or any species) whose numbers are not drastically held back by the most cruel forces of Nature, becomes a Desert quite fast. Sometimes so fast you can see it happening - for instance the desertification of large tracts of Ethiopia could be seen from space in the 1960s, as numbers of humans and their goats and other livestock exploded exponentially (from 18 million in 1950 to 35 million in 1980 - and now it is 129 million). Garrett Hardin got in big trouble for mentioning this, in the 1960s. Big big big trouble. It puts me in mind of something you can see now from space - acres of plastic tunnels in Spain in which crops are being grown and irrigated. This is also leading to Desertification (with the help of Climate Change).
By the way, the population of Ethiopia started to go "hockeystick graph" (i.e. exponential) in 1920, when it was 12 million. This was probably due to fast modernization and westernization by Haile Selassie and by Protestant and Catholic missionaries at that time, using mass education to improve health and wellbeing - but this also increases longevity of course. The educated elites prospered - and the health of the goatherders also improved, but their numbers shot up and this was not good for them or the environment. Most nations have followed this pattern at some point in their history, often more than once. They prosper, and overcome the Four Horsemen (apparently) - and then there is Overshoot leading to Desertification and Famine and Pestilence and War - ooops, sounds like those pesky Four Horsemen, though they are not supposed to appear until the very end. Every time, humans who are not elites blame the elites - when in point of fact it is the overall numbers of humans, of any income, that is the main causative factor. This cycle and its main or even only cause is easily seen in other species - but not in humans, it seems. So we have Live Aid concerts for Ethiopia - which just makes the hockey stick keep going up, and now there is permanent Famine not just frequent Famine. Because there is a big difference between 12 million and 129 million, believe it or not. The forecast for 2050 is 215 million - though that was before grain from Russia and Ukraine stopped coming.
Thanks, Nate! Proving once again the power of creating distinctions: What we name and define acquires clarity and becomes more real, and more useful.
I found quite a bit of illumination in your new archetypes. I saw the entirety of my own life having been expressed in several of them, and as a result better understood my life as having been dedicated to embodying, as an ambassador slightly before her time, a model of how to live by some of the principles we will need to get through the coming years. This is helpful to me, as lately, given the nature of my vision and purpose throughout my life, it has been hard not to feel blind, and a failure, given the broad discrepancy between what I believed we could accomplish, and the reality of where we are now.
As always, it's a delight to connect with you, and a privilege to be a participant in this greater family of caring and committed people. 💚
Great episode, Nate. Loved the analogy
2 small notes:
First, I really liked the art. Could see a card game being built around it, kinda like Dominion. I haven't checked the episode notes, but it'd be nice to have the artist mentioned in the youtube comment.
Second: I have to digress a bit about Sam. I can see Gollum as a catalyst, but Sam is the worker that gets the actual shit done while others reap the glory. Frodo comes from a wealthy family, and doesn't have to do much besides "managing the state" prior to the start of the book, but Sam is blue collar through and through, and does the actual field work. And during the adventure, while Frodo has to "bear the weight of the ring" (the story) and certainly is needed to end Sauron, Sam is the one that bears the backpack to support Frodo, and eventually, Frodo itself.
If we manage to pull through the Great Simplification, no doubt some Frodos (or Hari Sheldons) will be rightfully laudeated for the task, but the grunt work and toiling of the common man will be quickly forgotten.
And of course, we must never forget that every Sam is a Frodo to another Sam.
Thank you for your ingenuous Frankly Nate, I’m blown away by your vision and your ability to work it into language.
Btw I totally see you as the Muse because it’s Your voice that I come back to, for grounding and refocusing of my role 🙏 (not sure what, if any in future, but from childhood it’s been the Earth Warden 🤷♀️) and I can see any of us that care, fulfilling any other role if situations warrant).😊
I love that the scholar becomes the farmer. I have a BA, MA and LLB and have spent the past 20 years of my career arguing difficult appellate cases - but since 2020 I have been farming and homesteading and trying to move away from law.
It's in part the transition Nate himself has been going through.
Wonderful Nate. I have been thinking for some time that we need to understand the archetypes that we currently live with and manifest. And further, that we need to identify and bring into being archetypes that will serve the future and the transition. Here in less than 25 minutes you have done that so well. Thank you.
It made sense. A lot. I end up thinking about this catalyst role that anyone can eventually have. We have just to be prepared, soul, mental and body prepared for whatever0s next. Thank you Nate.
I submitted a podcast suggestion through Nate’s website in the last week and this episode answered my suggestion even better than I hoped, which makes me think that he probably gets some version of this suggestion a lot: what could/should I do from the place I’m standing, as someone willing to make this their life’s work? Imagining lots of people asking that question fills me with hope in a very dark moment.
Exactly 💯
You need to make your own solutions since you know your situation better than anyone else. To do this you can build your own Paradigms for Adaptation (Jan. 9, 2024 - available on Amazon).
You're not alone. There's many of us who have come before you, too.
Awesome. Had to write some of this down word for word from the transcript. Pen and paper.
really enjoyed this one Nate. Really informative and inspiring.
Thanks for another super podcast! As a systems team coach I often address the roles from different perspectives, such as outer roles (organigramme kind of stuff), hidden (psychology at the service of the team) secret (what I don’t know propels me - there’s a lot in there, individually and collectively which makes this podcast even more relevant) and other things such as zeitgeist (time spirits that tend to be extremely fast polarizing, especially when coupled with with unmanaged secret roles, hence all the strong reactions to bleeps and other things mentioned in the previous frankly). Unearthing and naming those things give the system agency and the archetypes fall into place. Thanks again!
Interesting ideas. Made me think of some of the things Aurélien Barrau has been saying.
Just lovely.
The vast majority of women provide a large % of the care economy that keeps society running. This freely given care work is always ignored but without it no society works including anything that happens in the future.
Extremely important point!!!
I would say even when it’s paid- like I am a nurse, it means I am not providing care to the family unit, so there is a vacuum created there.
I personally have chosen not to have kids given the state of things- my friends with kids are so insanely stretched thin, I just can imagine as things destabilize how desperate having kids would feel
This was a great intro to a huge but wonderful topic. I think it would be useful to have some historians on your program who could talk about what has happened in collapses of societies in the past. Also, have someone who could talk about what is happening in Beirut, where the economy and the political order have broken down. How do people survive there? Then there is Haiti. Are there types of people there who are pointing a way out of the current chaos.
Great ideas!
Thank you Nate for focusing on the bend or break period you believe is inevitable...so do we and your thoughts are important to us.
Excellent Nate , Love from India ❤
Like many other folks, The Lord Of the Rings, after several readings, became one of my annual traditions. His son, Christopher did a good job fleshing out the professor’s ideas. A great teacher for young folks in values growth.
I like to start reading The Fellowship of the Ring in September. I don't every year, but it always seems to fit right in with the season.
These archetypes could be the basis of a cooperative board game, kind of like Pandemic, only in the context of navigating the bend not break transition!
Create it!
Interesting how you describe our situation 👍 👍
It's going to take a big feller to carry Nate to the summit.
lol 😂
"We should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
I'm an earth warden at work. My manager wanted us to pour dirty rotting soap water out into the roadway where it will go into the sewer and then river
Bladee is a muse. Look up The Fool and 333, he has a lot to offer for young people to stay positive.
You have a number of brilliant ideas here, thanks. LOTR served to inspire roleplaying classes, so I think future people might actually aspire to roles that seem to them plug-and-play as far as immediate or mutual aid fellowships. On the other hand, I expect worldview or ideology to lead people to only want to help like-minded or family or in bonds of sworn fealty. Tolkien worked against that impulse by having Elrond, a diplomat, preside over a sort of happy accident of the fellowship, all of whom were actually selected to BE DIPLOMATS themselves. The only exception to this was Boromir, who was selected to secretly plot to seize the ring for his own people.
In RPG terms, those who will form fellowships must already be disposed to overcome or overlook all the mutual antagonism of having differences, through already in a sense being good at doing that.
Besides just ignoring differences, there are actual methods to disarming triggers and reconciling hostile ideologies. I am tempted to mention Buddhist postmodern philosophers like Ken Wilber. Somehow I doubt there will be nearly enough of those sorts. So I expect the various roles you suggest to become full of groupthink, much as the current tech industry is full of post humanist effective altruists who disproportionately value their vision of space-faring cyborgs.
I laud your ideas. In the main, your characters seem humanists who are also grounded, pragmatic generalists who accept tasks crucial not only for group survival but human survival, so that there is a social structure built in. The members will often have to make sacrifices so that these tasks happen; and you assume they will all understand why they ought to. There will be a ton of Boromirs, I fear that almost all of future us will be Boromirs out of love and patriotism and ideals. Sadly, it may come down to Frodos, who let us admit are a rare type: a neutral but moral hero, plus pragmatic Stalwart Sams, plus catalytic pawns of Fate I guess. Because all the rest are frankly likely to become distracted by warfare.
Your video sent me scrambling to find my own list, some of which duplicates yours. Trying to be constructive here, Ireland faced a similar challenge post-collapse 6th Century, and basically encouraged everyone to learn as much as they could, which was possible because scholars were fleeing the mainland due to war and slavers. The Irish kept the Greek science texts and methods and passed them down in time for the Renaissance.
We need people versed in both ecology and our own most lethal weapons technology, but you seem to reject keeping them in ivory towers doing research, and turn them into farmers, a sort of classic authoritarian move. A better method would be to teach ecology and radiation and biochemistry and medicine to everyone. Otherwise the learned will become snatched, killed, exiled or enslaved, due to their knowledge, and their individual value and power to Boromirs. A good number will flee to hinterlands, mountains or islands, to avoid what they will consider persecution and dire risk, and continue their learning. Those refugia open to learning will benefit, and save humanity's bacon much later when the wars wind down.
Brilliant
I can tell I’m gonna love this
With the right lens world seems to be grim dark, great analogies and great art 👍
Good one Nate but unfortunately some of us don't have functioning families we can rely on in times of trouble
Excellent
Wonderful 👏👀 On the cutting edge of science more & more mainstream scientists are saying our Universe IS NOT a machine with moving parts that can be easily measured & understood. Some have used the words “simulation” and “hologram” which (however much I agree) creeps me out. I’ve been saying for awhile we need new metaphors to go with our new models & understanding before they have any chance to catch on. I have not, however, been suggesting we need new archetypes but I now realize (thanks to you🙏) I’ve been doing this exercise without knowing it. One of my main ones is the Peaceful Warrior of whom we need a literal army to dismantle and remove any and all obstacles between us and a better future. Growing numbers of us are already calling each other Comrades (all for one and one for all.) I strongly feel comradeship needs to be balanced by creativity, authenticity and individuality. For me this is the Artists (who I also associate with freedom, ritual, magic, enlightening and entertaining). We have created mountains of trash. I feel the best way to address all this waste is to a generation of Scavengers who are experts at turning trash into treasure. Two of the most important questions of our time are “how do we heal in a toxic culture?” And “What is real and what is illusion?” (The topic of your last video). Healing is the realm of Healers! I think indigenous healers are also ecologists so I combine those two. We heal the planet at the same time we’re healing ourselves🤞😇 Reality and illusion is the realm of storytellers and map makers/ cartographers for me. The “real” takes you pleases you wanna go and “illusion” gets you lost, confused and trapped. I’ve always found it interesting that the most spectacular and light filled cathedral’s were created in the “dark ages.” Propaganda? I think so. We had Master’s and Apprentices back then and not corrupt, stuffy and mechanical Academia. They also had a healthy respect for the ever present unknown. I sometimes find myself calling that “wisdom.” Lastly we need Miracle Workers to save us from this god awful predicament. We could also call them Shaman 🌞🤝🌞🤝🌞
You just described every personality type I encounter every day here in the United States. The Grifter and Elite sometimes are interchangeable at this point though, cough.....Elon Musk.....cough.
I'm talking about the first half of the video. All the archetypes we need in the second half don't exist in meaningful numbers here.
As a child, I memorized the poem in the front of the books.
... In the land of Mordor, where the shadows lie.
One more Bender to add. It has been projected that before the end of this century our planet will see the wholesale beginnings of an absolutely massive displacement of people, hundreds of millions are the low estimates, due to sea level rise, shortages of fresh water, environmental collapse and the ripples of civil disruptions that go along with those... and now we can toss displacement due to AI on the heap. It has been estimated that six hundred million people will be dislocated due just to sea level rise alone. This will be global with no nation spared.
What is missing almost if not completely from the discussion about those dire warnings is how will those hundreds of millions of people be addressed? The UNHCR can't handle what is going on now, there will definitely be a need for an archetype of those specialized to address just this singular issue of internal and external displacement. I propose this category of archetype be called the Shepherd because it will require kindness, foresight, persistence and forcefulness when needed.
Anyone who thinks illegal immigration is at crisis levels now has no idea the size of the tsunami rolling in from just over the horizon.
In the U.S. people have flooded into states such as Arizona, California and Florida from other states for years on end; what happens when that migration reverses?
I would like to be the gardener / farmer. Let's make a card for that. =-)
I think that many of us will play many parts, some more than others going forward based upon our age, experience, personality and strengths to make positive change.
for Frodo
Now I need to sit down and figure out what class I want to play in the big simple lol
Fred Rogers said, "When I was a boy and I would see scary things in the news, my mother would say to me, 'Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping'."
The problem with the "helping" archetypes presented in this optimistic video is the fact that all of them can be negated in one fell swoop by the actions of a powerful "hurter" like Vladimir Putin.
and Bibi/Joe team.
I would like to bring to attention that this video reads totally different to someone who makes a living as an illustrator and graphic designer. I genuinely do not mean to be snarky or trolling, but the optimism to this video in the comments read totally different to us working in the art field. We are watching a totally different video.
For those unaware, all of the art in this video is made with Ai Large Language Models. I realize the challenge of producing content for a weekly podcast, and I also realize that paying a human to make these wouldn't be feasible. But I also think Nate should note that his presentations use Ai art. (I think the use of Ai art for a project like Nate's is totally acceptable, but it absolutely needs to be noted, this is basic honesty)
I just hope that the deep thinkers here can reflect on this aspect. I've seen several areas of my profession completely atrophy over my lifetime, and it all looks so familiar. The irony of this video is not lost on artists.
Hi. I understand your concern. And I share it. We only use AI for difficult to convey animations and quick turnaround things like this. There should be acknowledgment of such in the notes but I’m away from computer ❤🙏🌎
It's amazing to me that people on the bend-not-break team don't use AI to expose the evidence-based support that the limbic brain that got us hear and the cognitively biased confabulations our brains tend to generate to quell our cognitive dissonance. For instance, I've spent hours carefully prompting Google Gemini which delivers evidence supporting most of the systemic issues presented on TGS podcasts. It will even provide evidence how the elites (and their engineering, marketing, legal, investor, users, etc) minions) will become more corrupt and deluded by their accumulating power, status, wealth, fame, and control.
I've also used Gemini to brainstorm a community based curriculum to teach an elementary introductory course MuSIASEM model (episode #107) to middle schoolers. I know the energy waste from AI, but I don't know how to avoid using it to effectively compete with business as usual.
I am a white northern woman who loved/loves LOTR influence, but this time I think the image generators perpetuated many visual stereotypes (which is what the image generators do, unless there is careful prompting). I found myself preferring the audio only on this Frankly so as not to lose the importance of the thinking.
SM Sterling. No energy, return to medieval weapons. Terrific read. Engineers will be Makers
Substitute "barber" with SURGEON. Operating; drastic triage &:amputatiiins aa dranatic conditions escalate ...
Looking forward Nate to see how this develops and where your various past and future guests might fit into these character designations towards TGS🤔
In any preindustrial society, 90% of people are working in agriculture. This is the likelihood that the audience end up as a peasant. I hope that's everyone favorite archetype.
True - and darkly comic. But only about 2 billion could be Peasants, at most.
You Have My Sword
16:06 this is actually the archetype of the information system that was known to be possible, yet this vision was beat to market and its purchase in society displaced by the existing, already known pattern/design language of a physical design metaphor. We had the WWW, but what is needed is Xanadu, whose structure allows the presumable advantage of low time preference thinking to actually win out over the narrow and yet insistent urgency of the confident left hemisphere
16:19 invert the filter bubble: the people behind any silo conversationally, mutually contextualizing what was once separate.
The nonlinear architecture is the archetype
18:14 disarmament techniques. Peace activist - if there is such a thing?
Anyway. It's funny how these can all be stated as separate qualities when they are actually different facets of the same thing.
But I couldn't really say what that thing is, except maybe "the metaphorical stack "or, "the whole metaphorical stack"
18:30 well, what wants to happen here is actually a party. It's the eucatastrophe, after all
19:02 again, I hear you enumerating different qualities, when these qualities can really only become fully present while in concert (and unfortunately I do hear myself being a muter here, hopefully muting your trumpet to a novel new effect)
I am struggling with this one on so many levels. I understand where you're coming from, preparing for what's coming and who we may need to successfully navigate the challenges we will/may face. The start was straight forward explaining the different current archetypes, but the mutations is where it started to became tricky. Scholar to farmer? Why, what’s the catalyst for that what happens to existing farmers, the people who already know farming, or makes scholars suited to that role? Scholar to ecologist/healer/earth warden/engineer etc seems a more appropriate mutation. Differentiating between so-called existing archetypes and future archetypes is nonsensical, the Banker from the elite seems superfluous. The ancestor lives in the past, partly in the present as they pass away, never in the future, in the future they are the living generation still to come, the ancestor is the bow not the arrow. I could go on but it all boils down to one glaring problem, the use of the ring fellowship as an analogy.
I understand the analogy you're trying to make with The Lord of the Rings but the challenge (singular) of the ring saga, in two parts is simple, destroy the One Ring defeat Sauron. It does not fit the complexity of trying to find the “solutions to the challenges” (plural) of a much more complex problem, of a much more complex, sophisticated global civilisation. The fate of middle earth is predetermined, set by Illuvatar at the Dawn of the creation of Arda and is played out deterministically, there is in effect no free agency in Tolkien’s world. As a philosophical exploration of the psychological, moral, emotional and spiritual journey of the individual it has relevance but as a blueprint for the evolution of a society, a society far less bucolic than Tolkien’s fantasy not so much. As much as I would love to visit, nay live in Tolkien's world it is not the one I am, we are in
You forgot one of the most important ones: the spiritual guide. The therapist, the shaman, They are already one of the most prevalent and needed. Humanity is more mentally lost than anytime before.
It does seem clear social roles will change as a result of the "great simplification". A return to an agrarian system, rather than our current industrial agriculture method of supplying food, is highly likely. In one of his more recent short books - "Electrifying the Titanic" - Ophuls sets forth some ideas about how society might be organized once the carbon pulse is over. Social and economic systems depend for their operation not just on what the components are, but how they are interconnected and influence each other.
But Ophuls, like Hagens in his discussion here, recognizes that getting from where we are now to a sustainable relationship with the biosphere is going to be a difficult and chaotic transition - Nate refers to "the next few decades". Pioneering ecosociologist William Catton wrote "Overshoot" about our situation - his later book was called "Bottleneck." Speaking metaphorically, I wonder how narrow that impending bottleneck will be. I suggest to anyone reading this comment to the end that Jem Bendell's work deserves examination.
Agrarian life relies on a stable climate. I don’t think that’s where we are headed
For sure the so called 'workers' don't make a lot of money, but they are the only group that make ALL the wealth. The 'WEALTH CREATION CLASS' is a more fitting epiphet than Working Class.
Beautiful artwork Dr Hagens
How did your team produce those stunning graphics on your timeline?! Wonderful!
I'm just thinking most people (90%+) will be workers. the other roles are too specialized to be in high demand. the archetypes that are needed may not be the ones that are demanded by the market place hence most people will end up as workers.
Beautiful artwork ... I second what another commenter said below; it'd be interesting to know who the artist is.
I think the most useful archetype before the "bend not brake" crunch time to come is the one that would dispel the seducing powers of the 'Barker' because frankly, once you're lured in, the 'Grifter' is if anything even sexier.
That's why even though I don't know who the artist is, I'm pretty damn near certain he's a man ... [ or AI ;-) ]
The Engineer has always been a difficult archetype for me due to its progress and improvement bent. Typically, they don't have to have responsibility for the their creations and adjustments. Applied science hasn't implied wisdom. Everyone (especially children) enjoys magic tricks but enslaving the world to our bidding is no trick. There will always be clever people who will find others to pay for shortcuts and ways to profit. I haven't a better idea for a more enlightened archetype unfortunately.
I would say as said earlier in another comment perhaps we have the ability to wear many hats and utilize many skills. Maybe some kind of enlightened engineer if that's possible will accomplish what your saying. Having developed many skills in my life, I can see something like what you stated possible.
A merging of technology and humanity (cyborg) needn't prophecy the death of our humanity. We need our most creative and benevolent minds pioneering this tek, as it is of limitless potential (unimaginably beautiful or* unspeakably terrible)
Scholar morphing into farmer seemed a bit off. It seems more likely that scholars would morph into either outcast prophets who speak truth to power or viziers who provide the intellectual framework for power.
I'm a scholar morphing to a farmer, and I know two PhD's who are doing the same thing. Not off at all, The more you know about our predicament, the more informed you are, the more likely I think you would be to take this road?
A concept that needs traction and an excellent laboratory knowledge management toolbox. Central Place Theory that looks like the Himalayas surrounded by vast deserts. Diversity of thought employing new techniques, tactics, and flexible procedures filtered by a good cross cultural communication that resonates over vast ares of the Biosphere. The benevolent, Hernando De Soto (The Effectiveness), and appropriate size supporting force.
Interesting framing
Taxation is theft. How do you disarm that?
You forgot the jedi scouts!!
I'm an Orc and Hobgoblin man, myself.
I think J.K. Rowling basically "re-did" the Rings, mixing much of Rings mythology. I would tend to proceed from Jung's archetypes, not Tolkien's. Both Jung and Tolkien wrote "Red Books" around the same time.
The five "factions" in Veronica Roth's _Divergent_ dystopian science fiction novel trilogy also present an interesting spin on what might be some of the essential sectors of a future society: they include Dauntless (fearless enforcers/police), Amity (kind farmers), Erudite (intellectuals), Abnegation (selfless social workers/leaders of government), and Candor (honest arbiters of justice).
@@dbadagnaThanks for that, I like hearing of "other" sources of intelligent fiction. In reality, I'd suggest "Doughnut Economics" by Kate Raworth that boldly suggests new ground in economics. Yes, Nate, try to get Raworth on your show....
This was a cool way to reconceptualize future persons and societies. The comments are hilarious too.
Came here after the Apple Podcast App cut out only after the first 5 mins of this. 🤔
Should be fixed, I am told
Jacques Elull, the Technical Society made an immense impact. I wasn't into the black and white thing
There is no fellowship of the ring meta-crisis, Moloch is Illuvatar burning out :)
lol
Я думаю з часом найбійше буде архетипу "універсал".
Що поєднує в собі базу землероба, будівельника, ветеринара, ботаніка ьа часточки різних специфічних навичок: коваля, бондаря, гутника, стельмаха, мірошника, лимаря тощо
Так було колись і буде знову.
😳 how many horse pulling power?
All these "archetypes" intersect with others in tour own definition. It paints a really vague picture of the actual decision system you're advocating. If you want to be useful in your communication of a different world, I would personally prefer that you flesh it out in actual details, not muddling together a mix of attitudes, feelings, actions, classes, knowledge, etc.
More like Stranger in a Strange Land. The three Body Problem. Survival, so shut up. Stop shouting we are here. ❤❤.
Watershed.
At 11:17 you said "all of our ancestors lived on an ecologically empty planet" . This doesn't seem correct - can you expand?
That was awkward sentence. We are now in deep ecological overshoot where one species is drawing down carrying capacity for many others. Also happened w eg stromatolites and maybe some other times but most of history didn’t have such an ecological context
What about the activist? Or journalist / reporter / recorder of history?
I’m half way through and I’m wondering-I guess the artist and the physician are workers?
Why not scholars, how do scholars transform into farmers? The historical transformation in society was farmer to worker that would be a more logical one, they are better able physically to meet the challenge and there are far more workers than scholars. I find this one more of a romantic fantasy than an actionable blueprint
Or 70s....
The Plumber. It's going to be a s**t show.
I liked the bleeps, but ima freak 🤷
The farmer archetype is not entertaining enough to pay attention to. The cannibal archetype is entertaining, in a train wreck kind of way.
Around 1/3 of Slamming Brutal Death Metal album covers feature some form of cannibalism. Kind of a trainwreck music, in an entertaining way
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Barker?
Carnival barker, travelling salesman, snake oil seller
It seems to be a creative video. I’m having a hard time following the whys and how for these changes. I can see cyborg jobs becoming the only jobs. I’d argue we have that now.
So ai will probably be smarter than people in say 3 years. In 5 there will be no reason to employ a human. Because of cheap humanoid robots. All these people will be unemployed and out of the workforce and possibly the economy. It’s unclear whether governments will keep them alive with food.
So the number of people who control an ai will be the 1% to the current 1% who only use someone else’s ai. Ai will make everything better cheaper and faster so a see a surge in productivity. B2E will be the only game in town. E in this case means elites. Because nobody else will have any money. They can hurl themselves in waves at robot guardians who’s skin is 3D printed titanium armor ideally optimized to take a magazine of ar15 rounds without harm. Productivity will increase but sales will collapse. The economy will collapse currency will collapse then government will collapse. People are good at cooperating as long as there’s food.
I don’t see a way out of us becoming apes again.
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Man at this point, you’ve gone full fantasy. Someone listened to too much John Michael Godier.
So what? One of the purposes of good fantasy is to spark creative imagination. Creativity and imagination is what makes life fun! And what's the point of doing anything if you can't have fun doing it?
lol cute especially the matriarch. Good luck with that
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uh barber is highly offensive and wasteful use of resources.
Wondering when you're going to add real class analysis to your thinking..... its as if you leave it out on purpose... hmmmm
He did recently host a virtual roundtable discussion on poverty, entitled "The State of Poverty in the U.S.," and does mention from time to time the difficulty of adapting to a post-fossil-fuel way of life for those wage slaves without sufficient income or cash reserves.
@dbadagna I watched it - Hagens class analysis is lacklustre at best. Class relations are the reason for this mess and he avoids that reality like the plague. This video was particularly self-indulgent and irritating.
He has mentioned in an oblique manner, in a handful of his videos, the "impossibility" of redirecting surplus wealth and resources from wealthier, more developed nations to more impoverished, less developed ones.
I guess the smaller-scale analog to this, in the view of most economists, would be that employers mustn't pay all their workers a fair wage, since in order to keep many difficult/undesirable jobs filled one needs to keep a certain proportion of the workforce in desperate financial straits.
Another concern Hagens might have with a more equitable redistribution of wealth and resources is that, with the human population being as large as it is (and still growing), the claim on future energy and resources simply wouldn't be able to stand it.
@@dbadagna why are you using Margaret Thatcher talking points liberal (derogatory)? I’m bored, these arguments are a tired, weak and repetitive justification for the ruling class that I have heard too many times to count.
Such soy brain rot
I made a comment on this channel that “perhaps we shouldn’t be flying around enjoying vacations quite so much”. The response was “it’s not individuals, but government inaction that is the problem”. My Canadian government is about to introduce a carbon tax (on gasoline). There’s a lot of complaining here that we should have to cut back at all because there’s a lot of tress still growing here. I give up. We’re crashing and there’s nothing I can do about it.
I would like to see a sociologist walk into a homeless camp and see how many of these archetypes they could find? My since of reality rejects such "hopeful" ideas. So much idealism is striped out of kids growing up in this culture. Work, produce, consume, does not leave much in the way of community. Most everyone I know has drawn in upon themselves. I could only hope to see our better parts coming out in our worst circumstances.
I think all these archetypes are amongst the homeless. They need their basic needs me first though.,
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Most of my coworkers here in the U.S. (who are low-income, blue-collar workers) used to be heavy drug users and are now heavy vapers. One of them, in her mid-50s, had a heart attack last week (probably brought on by the stress of her job), and died a few days later, probably because she couldn't afford the treatment.
@@dbadagna I`m sorry to hear about this. Indeed, we need to transform society on so many levels. The homeless and the poorest should be a priority.
@@dbadagna Your channel looks interesting. What is your connection to China? I am white British and I teach English online as my main paid work. Many of my students are Chinese, and I have learnt so much from them. Such an interesting diversity of people.
The Muse is Greta
The time has come to let humans understand what Energy really means;
"In any system of energy, Control is what consumes energy the most.
No energy store holds enough energy to extract an amount of energy equal to the total energy it stores.
No system of energy can deliver sum useful energy in excess of the total energy put into constructing it.
This universal truth applies to all systems.
Energy, like time, flows from past to future"(2017).
One thing I take from LotRings is a sense of honor and truth which Tolkein emeshed so well within the grammar of the telling. I feel this could also be an important catalyst is virtue and honor in our behavior and deeds.
Spoken like a true ancestor
Those archetypes would make an interesting boardgame. If you've ever watched The Expanse, it becomes obvious in hindsight that that show was originally conceived as an RPG type game
Ive read LOR a few times as its essentially therapeutic for me. Side note on collapse: just returned last night from a train trip to Baltimore, MD. First night, cargo ship crushes the 695 beltway. Toured inner harbor, water is flooding over the at times walkable lower sidewalk along waters edge. I'm smoking the hopium on there being enough time for these needed archtypes to form and thrive as the former archtypes....
Love this. Thank you