I have given up trying to get the Bryant/carrier furnace to activate the Vanee G3000HE HRV. I would like to try as the HRV vendor recommends, to allow the HRV to turn on and off the furnace fan by connecting to the R&G furnace terminals. This did not work because I believe the HRV vendor does not know about the Bryant/Carrier evolution/infinity thermostats that get connected to a 4-wire ABCD furnace port. Interestingly, when I removed the 4-wire port from the furnace, the thermostat powered off but the HRV was controlling the furnace fan as I would like. Possibly the HRV should be connected to the ABCD port as well. Any ideas how to wire the HRV and thermostat on a bryant/carrier furnace.
Don't wire a HRV to ABCD directly. Per the dialogue below, a Bryant ERV can be controlled by an Evolution wall control only thru the use of a Network Interface Module (and sometimes also a Translator board) or an Evolution zone damper board. As previously stated, since we are not familiar with Vanee, we do not know if that brand uses the same communication language as Bryant Evolution or not. Sorry.
If you want to wire a switch input to R&G and have it engage the furnace fan when something else turns on, you can do that. The installer needs to reprogram the Auxiliary Input G Terminal thru the stat and select what speed you want to run when the interlock (in this case HRV contract switch) happens. The stat will override that speed for heating and cooling needs, but when there is no heat/cool call, it will run the speed the switch input was programmed for.
@@TECTubefilms It works! I just needed to play around more with the thermostat and G terminal function. I couldn't have got it to work without your help. Much appreciated!
Thank you fro the video. Where the wires connected on the ERV unit? We are trying to install ERV unit with Infinity system (with zone board) and couldn't figure out where to connect it to make ERV works.
The zone board has the same ERV wiring terminals on the top of the board that the NIM card has. Please note that Infinity can only communicate to, and control the speeds of, a Carrier Performance or Bryant Preferred series ERV/HRV. If you have an entry level Carrier Comfort or Bryant Legacy ERV, then those product does not have any communication... or speed control... so in that case you will just wire the ERV to the EAC on the furnace and it will turn on whenever the blower is on. There would no control of the ERV from the Infinity stat. If you have a different brand such as Renewaire, Lifebreath, S&P, Broan, etc. then EAC is also your only option.
Great video! thank you so much. I have a question regarding an existing Panasonic Intelli-Balance 100 ERV and if it can be hooked to the infinity unit? Thank you
It can be connected to an Infinity furnace, but wired to the EAC terminals instead of a NIM. Because of that, it will only turn on/off (i.e., no speed control). And it will automatically turn on whenever the blower runs (i.e., no controllability by the homeowner). And this is assuming you are not already using the EAC for something else.
The colder it is outside the more susceptible the windows are to icing/sweating. There for, you would need it most when it is bellow zero. Then again I'm not a fancy engineer with a lab coat, I'm just a dumb hvac technician.
We do agree that the colder it is (or the warmer it is), the more you need them because that is when they save the most energy. However, you do not need an ERV/HRV to keep your windows from sweating. Bringing in dry outside air can help with the window issue, but that outside air can be brought in without an ERV/HRV.
Hey, great video. I recently installed HRVXXSHB1160 with the integrated LCD control on the unit. From the manual it mentioned the infinity control can not tune the speed of the HRV? just wondering what is the wiring on this newer HRV model. Thanks.
Most of the newer 2022 ventilators are made for Carrier by a different ERV manufacturer than in the past. There is a Translator Board available (SYSTXXTRB01) but having a Translator wired to a NIM is getting a little hokey.
Instead of a Translator, you can use the ERV wall control and then wire G & R from the ERV to G & R on the furnace and then the furnace fan will be engaged whenever the ERV is turned on. This will require G terminal programming on Infinity. Unlike most things associated with Infinity controls, this new ERV is needlessly over complicated.
@@TECTubefilms thanks for the helpful input. I agree this is too complicated and contradict my original purpose to integrate the HRV with the thermostat.
From a wiring and setup standpoint, nothing changes with the heat pump if it is zoned or not zoned. If it is a communicating heat pump, it wires to A & B wires. If it is non-communicating, single stage A/C with an Infinity fan coil, then you wire the heat pump to the fan coil thermostat strip. If it is a non-communicating 2-stage heat pump, then you need a NIM card,
BTW - zoning works best if you have as many equipment stages as possible, so single stage is undesirable with zoning, 2 stage is okay, but inverter multi-stage is best.
Can you wire a 2 wire erv to the ion controller? 2 year old home and The contractor who installed the system ducted the ERV but never wired it. Looking at the erv filters it's never ran. It seems to be a single speed ERV should I just wire to the air handler ? The way its ducted it needs to have the airhandler on when it's on. Would be nice to have ion panel see it and use it.
You can utilize the EAC terminal on the furnace to engage the ERV whenever the furnace fan is on. The Ion control will not have the ability to turn it on/off... or even know it exists... but at least it will run.
@@davidarnold344 All Carrier and Bryant ERVs (except ERVCRNVA) can communicate to Infinity/Evolution systems but all of them need a converter card such as a NIM.
This is the method to connect all Bryant Preferred and Carrier Performance series ERVs and HRVs. The only thing this does not apply to is the entry level model, which is is the Bryant Legacy and Carrier Comfort.
It is a communication bus. You can wire the devices in any order. A common scenario is from stat to NIM, then NIM to furnace, then furnace to outdoor unit. But it can be any order
@@TherealDsizzle Infinity wall controls, as well as Infinity heating and cooling equipment, has have a 5 year warranty in residential applications, which can be extended to 10 years if you register the product right after the install.
There are many similarities between Infinity and Ion, but this subject is not one of them. ICP does not make ERVs and HRVs, hence no ability to integrate one into an Ion system.
If you are contractor who is a customer of TEC, you can call our normal Tech Support # like you do for other stuff. If you are outside our service territory, then please contact your local Carrier/Bryant distributor. If you are a homeowner, you should contact the dealer who installed your system, not the distributor.
I cannot seem to connect VANEE gold series to a Bryant Nim. Vanee diagram shows to only connect R and G to HRV NO & C respectively. I did this using the NIM but it did not work. Also, it does not make sense to only use 2 wires. I also removed the HRV main controller and installed the 4 wires from the nim . This did not work either. Can anyone help?
We had never heard of vanEE so we had to google it. Looks like it is an ERV in Canada. The NIM card is ONLY compatible with Carrier/Bryant ERVs. It cannot be used with other brands (unless you somehow had one that was mad my the same manufacturer that makes Carrier AND they used the internal communications card).
The "2-wire" scenario would be for on/off control only and not allow speed adjustment by the occupant like your HRV wall controller might allow (or like Bryant ERV would allow when paired to a Bryant Evolution stat). In your case you cannot tie into R and G because all that normally does is intercept the fan call from a standard thermostat... but you do not have a standard thermostat. The best you could do would be interlock the ERV to the EAC terminals fore the furnace (and that may also require an isolation relay depending on your HRV signal voltage options).
@@TECTubefilms Vanee and venmar are the same company. I had the previous VAnee 2000 working with the Bryant NIM card. This newer model is a bit more complicated but I have been told it should work. I just cannot figure out how to wire it .
@@lonniemelamed3904 Which specific Bryant model of ERV does your vanEE model share a communications driver with? Note: even the current Bryant ERV does not communicate directly to a Bryant NIM card because of the technology changes with Venmar's communications. There is an adapter to the NIM adapter... yes we just said that stupid statement outloud... to make them work together in the meantime.
@@TECTubefilms Wow, are you kidding? I am using the top of the line Vanee G3000he hrv. Its the gold series. I don't know what Bryant HRV it shares communication with. The Bryant nim card model # is SYSTXBBNIM01. Can you tell me the adapter card model number so I can investigate. The Bryant dealers in my area are totally no help .
We are not very familiar with nest. We tried a few of them years ago and we were not impressed at all. We use lots of brands of stats instead, such as ecobee, Venstar, Honeywell, and others.
If nest can "control" it would just be basic ERV it would just be on/off control. It would have no ability to control ERV fan speeds like the Infinity/Evolution/Ion stats in this video. This is because nest only has relay output control, therefore it cannot control anything modulating. It cannot control furnace blower speeds, ERV speeds, variable capacity compressors, modulating gas valves, etc. Like most standard 24vac thermostats, it just does on/off stuff.
@@Spirited_Driver In your original question, we assumed you had a Carrier Infinity or Bryant Evolution system as described in the video. If you have a Lennox, the answer/solution could be different. We are not very familiar with Lennox, but we found an iComfort S30 model on their site, is that the one you meant by "i30?"
We looked up the manuals for the S30 and it does not mention the ability to control ERV/HRV either. It seems to be in the same boat as nest in that regard. But the S30 looks like a communicating stat, so it is probably capable of staging your equipment much better than nest because nest is limited to just 1 or 2 stages only. You probably have more.
So you got a NIM and wired it on the ABCD wire that also goes to the furnace and the stat, right? That should work. If it does not, then check your wiring. If you disconnect the NIM and the stat anc furnace can talk to each other fine, then the issue is the wiring to the NIM or the NIM itself.
You exactly answered the questions I had on this topic. Thank you. Great video :)
I have given up trying to get the Bryant/carrier furnace to activate the Vanee G3000HE HRV. I would like to try as the HRV vendor recommends, to allow the HRV to turn on and off the furnace fan by connecting to the R&G furnace terminals. This did not work because I believe the HRV vendor does not know about the Bryant/Carrier evolution/infinity thermostats that get connected to a 4-wire ABCD furnace port.
Interestingly, when I removed the 4-wire port from the furnace, the thermostat powered off but the HRV was controlling the furnace fan as I would like. Possibly the HRV should be connected to the ABCD port as well. Any ideas how to wire the HRV and thermostat on a bryant/carrier furnace.
Don't wire a HRV to ABCD directly. Per the dialogue below, a Bryant ERV can be controlled by an Evolution wall control only thru the use of a Network Interface Module (and sometimes also a Translator board) or an Evolution zone damper board. As previously stated, since we are not familiar with Vanee, we do not know if that brand uses the same communication language as Bryant Evolution or not. Sorry.
If you want to wire a switch input to R&G and have it engage the furnace fan when something else turns on, you can do that. The installer needs to reprogram the Auxiliary Input G Terminal thru the stat and select what speed you want to run when the interlock (in this case HRV contract switch) happens. The stat will override that speed for heating and cooling needs, but when there is no heat/cool call, it will run the speed the switch input was programmed for.
@@TECTubefilms It works! I just needed to play around more with the thermostat and G terminal function. I couldn't have got it to work without your help. Much appreciated!
Thank you fro the video.
Where the wires connected on the ERV unit?
We are trying to install ERV unit with Infinity system (with zone board) and couldn't figure out where to connect it to make ERV works.
The zone board has the same ERV wiring terminals on the top of the board that the NIM card has.
Please note that Infinity can only communicate to, and control the speeds of, a Carrier Performance or Bryant Preferred series ERV/HRV.
If you have an entry level Carrier Comfort or Bryant Legacy ERV, then those product does not have any communication... or speed control... so in that case you will just wire the ERV to the EAC on the furnace and it will turn on whenever the blower is on. There would no control of the ERV from the Infinity stat.
If you have a different brand such as Renewaire, Lifebreath, S&P, Broan, etc. then EAC is also your only option.
Great video! thank you so much. I have a question regarding an existing Panasonic Intelli-Balance 100 ERV and if it can be hooked to the infinity unit?
Thank you
It can be connected to an Infinity furnace, but wired to the EAC terminals instead of a NIM. Because of that, it will only turn on/off (i.e., no speed control). And it will automatically turn on whenever the blower runs (i.e., no controllability by the homeowner). And this is assuming you are not already using the EAC for something else.
The colder it is outside the more susceptible the windows are to icing/sweating. There for, you would need it most when it is bellow zero. Then again I'm not a fancy engineer with a lab coat, I'm just a dumb hvac technician.
HRVs will frost up when it is cold outside (and humid inside) so a defrost cycle is needed.
We do agree that the colder it is (or the warmer it is), the more you need them because that is when they save the most energy. However, you do not need an ERV/HRV to keep your windows from sweating. Bringing in dry outside air can help with the window issue, but that outside air can be brought in without an ERV/HRV.
Hey, great video. I recently installed HRVXXSHB1160 with the integrated LCD control on the unit. From the manual it mentioned the infinity control can not tune the speed of the HRV? just wondering what is the wiring on this newer HRV model. Thanks.
Most of the newer 2022 ventilators are made for Carrier by a different ERV manufacturer than in the past. There is a Translator Board available (SYSTXXTRB01) but having a Translator wired to a NIM is getting a little hokey.
Instead of B, G, R, Y the new terminals are 12V, D-, D+, GND.
Instead of a Translator, you can use the ERV wall control and then wire G & R from the ERV to G & R on the furnace and then the furnace fan will be engaged whenever the ERV is turned on. This will require G terminal programming on Infinity. Unlike most things associated with Infinity controls, this new ERV is needlessly over complicated.
@@TECTubefilms thanks for the helpful input. I agree this is too complicated and contradict my original purpose to integrate the HRV with the thermostat.
If there is a zoning panel how would you set up a non Carrier Heat pump?
From a wiring and setup standpoint, nothing changes with the heat pump if it is zoned or not zoned. If it is a communicating heat pump, it wires to A & B wires. If it is non-communicating, single stage A/C with an Infinity fan coil, then you wire the heat pump to the fan coil thermostat strip. If it is a non-communicating 2-stage heat pump, then you need a NIM card,
BTW - zoning works best if you have as many equipment stages as possible, so single stage is undesirable with zoning, 2 stage is okay, but inverter multi-stage is best.
Can you wire a 2 wire erv to the ion controller? 2 year old home and The contractor who installed the system ducted the ERV but never wired it. Looking at the erv
filters it's never ran. It seems to be a single speed ERV should I just wire to the air handler ? The way its ducted it needs to have the airhandler on when it's on. Would be nice to have ion panel see it and use it.
You can utilize the EAC terminal on the furnace to engage the ERV whenever the furnace fan is on. The Ion control will not have the ability to turn it on/off... or even know it exists... but at least it will run.
@@TECTubefilms what ervs are meant for this system? Or do they all need the Nim?
@@davidarnold344 All Carrier and Bryant ERVs (except ERVCRNVA) can communicate to Infinity/Evolution systems but all of them need a converter card such as a NIM.
What is the model of HRV you are using in this video? Thanks.
ERVXXSHB1100
This is the method to connect all Bryant Preferred and Carrier Performance series ERVs and HRVs. The only thing this does not apply to is the entry level model, which is is the Bryant Legacy and Carrier Comfort.
So on the module itself it has one ABCD port. Does the stat, the outdoor unit, and the ABCD from the furnace all
Go into this 1 port ?
It is a communication bus. You can wire the devices in any order. A common scenario is from stat to NIM, then NIM to furnace, then furnace to outdoor unit. But it can be any order
@@TECTubefilmsok then I can add the air exchanger in any of those right ?
With the 4 color code adapter. I dont think it’s ABCD but it’s the same color code on the adapter for the Cor air exchanger
Also are the infinity T stats like you show in the video under warranty ?
@@TherealDsizzle Infinity wall controls, as well as Infinity heating and cooling equipment, has have a 5 year warranty in residential applications, which can be extended to 10 years if you register the product right after the install.
Is this also the ION system?
There are many similarities between Infinity and Ion, but this subject is not one of them. ICP does not make ERVs and HRVs, hence no ability to integrate one into an Ion system.
How to reach you ? I need some advice and services
If you are contractor who is a customer of TEC, you can call our normal Tech Support # like you do for other stuff. If you are outside our service territory, then please contact your local Carrier/Bryant distributor. If you are a homeowner, you should contact the dealer who installed your system, not the distributor.
I cannot seem to connect VANEE gold series to a Bryant Nim. Vanee diagram shows to only connect R and G to HRV NO & C respectively. I did this using the NIM but it did not work. Also, it does not make sense to only use 2 wires. I also removed the HRV main controller and installed the 4 wires from the nim . This did not work either. Can anyone help?
We had never heard of vanEE so we had to google it. Looks like it is an ERV in Canada. The NIM card is ONLY compatible with Carrier/Bryant ERVs. It cannot be used with other brands (unless you somehow had one that was mad my the same manufacturer that makes Carrier AND they used the internal communications card).
The "2-wire" scenario would be for on/off control only and not allow speed adjustment by the occupant like your HRV wall controller might allow (or like Bryant ERV would allow when paired to a Bryant Evolution stat). In your case you cannot tie into R and G because all that normally does is intercept the fan call from a standard thermostat... but you do not have a standard thermostat. The best you could do would be interlock the ERV to the EAC terminals fore the furnace (and that may also require an isolation relay depending on your HRV signal voltage options).
@@TECTubefilms Vanee and venmar are the same company. I had the previous VAnee 2000 working with the Bryant NIM card. This newer model is a bit more complicated but I have been told it should work. I just cannot figure out how to wire it .
@@lonniemelamed3904 Which specific Bryant model of ERV does your vanEE model share a communications driver with? Note: even the current Bryant ERV does not communicate directly to a Bryant NIM card because of the technology changes with Venmar's communications. There is an adapter to the NIM adapter... yes we just said that stupid statement outloud... to make them work together in the meantime.
@@TECTubefilms Wow, are you kidding? I am using the top of the line Vanee G3000he hrv. Its the gold series. I don't know what Bryant HRV it shares communication with. The Bryant nim card model # is SYSTXBBNIM01. Can you tell me the adapter card model number so I can investigate. The Bryant dealers in my area are totally no help .
Here is a question, why doesnt NEST have control over HRV? These are mandatory on all newer homes over the past decade.
We are not very familiar with nest. We tried a few of them years ago and we were not impressed at all. We use lots of brands of stats instead, such as ecobee, Venstar, Honeywell, and others.
If nest can "control" it would just be basic ERV it would just be on/off control. It would have no ability to control ERV fan speeds like the Infinity/Evolution/Ion stats in this video. This is because nest only has relay output control, therefore it cannot control anything modulating. It cannot control furnace blower speeds, ERV speeds, variable capacity compressors, modulating gas valves, etc. Like most standard 24vac thermostats, it just does on/off stuff.
@@TECTubefilms good answer. My furnace is a variable stage, with variable blower. So probably best to stick with the factory lennox i30 i guess.
@@Spirited_Driver In your original question, we assumed you had a Carrier Infinity or Bryant Evolution system as described in the video. If you have a Lennox, the answer/solution could be different. We are not very familiar with Lennox, but we found an iComfort S30 model on their site, is that the one you meant by "i30?"
We looked up the manuals for the S30 and it does not mention the ability to control ERV/HRV either. It seems to be in the same boat as nest in that regard. But the S30 looks like a communicating stat, so it is probably capable of staging your equipment much better than nest because nest is limited to just 1 or 2 stages only. You probably have more.
Ok so I cut the wire from furnace to stat and pigtailed a wire from the split to the module and it won’t even find the indoor unit now.
I pigtailed
It’s a cor air exchanger.
So you got a NIM and wired it on the ABCD wire that also goes to the furnace and the stat, right? That should work. If it does not, then check your wiring. If you disconnect the NIM and the stat anc furnace can talk to each other fine, then the issue is the wiring to the NIM or the NIM itself.
@@TherealDsizzle Cor? what is the model #?
I will find out when I get home from the road thanks for replying to my questions much appreciated