Such a annoying abyss this time around. I think I'd rather fight the Wenut again than this one again. Those fatui operatives are so cringe argh every floor has at least one enemy I despise.😂
I like them as they are susceptible to cc and if you use jean you can just abuse fall damage on them. Even without anemo there are ways to perpetually stun and cart them around. But yea , strong burst damage in the timeframes they give you is needed.
Ngl, I kinda want to fight wenut again in the abyss just to test how would Arlecchino fare against it. Could probably end the fight before he go to that flying phase.
i know. with the wenut you know you dont have much a chance because of the amount of time he is vulnerable.....where as these give you a false sense but they are tanked up real bad. I can clear first chambers 9:10 8:50 something like that. but barely end up with 1 star on the 2nd chamber
goddamn, you are so thorough and detailed in your explanations! thank you! everything is clear and even budget-friendly, so i am very grateful for your videos. also, you have a very nice and soothing voice!
Thanks for this guide, can't wait for the rest. Changing the moon's blessing from pyro dmg to atk buff per heal just changed the entire abyss this reset imo.
Thanks for this video even though it's near the end of this cycle! I was having a difficult time solidifying my two teams. Seeing your strategy with Sucrose helped me get three stars comfortably.
Against the operative duo, my c6 faruzan and wanderer were juggling the operatives super high sometimes. I didn’t see how to consistently launch them, but once they were in the air, wanderers CA juggles the operatives very well
My Kokomi taser team does a great job vs the kenkis. Great aoe DPS and survivability. Kazuha national was the key to 2nd half for me. I feel the most crucial part is cc'ing and clearing the pyro gunners as fast as possible, being conscious of what cooldowns you have available as the cryo gunners before them are going down. Overall, least enjoyable abyss so far since I started :/
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH. This is just for Chamber 1. Reading the title explain the idea, apparently. :) I was so confused when you gave team variants without Pyro for the first half. I could only think about the Dancer fight! My first try was with Nilou Bloom, and while they demolished 12.1, nothing was done in 12.2. That's why I put so much focus on Pyro recommendations, until I finally realized my mistake! Anyways, thank you for the video. This was my first one, and I'm definitely gonna check the other two. I don't want 35* anymore, I want to get the last one!
imo you don't really need pyro for the icewind suite on 12-2-1 since one ousia attack can disable the shield. if you have any ousia characters built -i.e. furina, navia, chevreuse, lynette, and wrio (although i advise against him since the boss has a ridiculous amount of cryo res) -then you don't necessarily need pyro. especially if you have the narzissenkreuz sword, you can just slap that on a support character and use it to disable coppelius instead. even for the cryo gunner on 12-3-1, if you can stun them just before they get their shields and kill them in one rotation you can forego pyro entirely.
@@argonautnana Admittedly, I forgot about that. But don't we need to hit him during a specific move? I'm not very good at paying attention to things, and getting Ousia from Furina (or the Sword) would require me to have one of them on field. I'll give it a try, then. Thank you! If I can't get it, I'll just keep my 34-35 stars. I hate Abyss; 150 gems for this rotation isn't worth the struggle.
@@rubencp93 you just need to hit it as soon as he gets his shield up. furina's first NA generates the ousia attack you need to disable it so it won't really affect your rotation. what i like to do is set up just before it gets the shield up so you don't lose too much DPS.
I also use Nilou bloom for the first half and I can clear everything just fine. Just use the sword of Narsizenkruz (or whatever the name is) on Nilou to instantly destroy Icewind Suite's shield. Just remember to switch the sword to ousia mode in the underwater fontaine where the quest took place. Also, because the ousia effect activates with normal attack, you shouldn't NA with Nilou untill after he has his shield up so the effect doesn't go into cooldown.
it's mainly the skill, not the ping. i always have a green ping and have a such hard time clearing. the breakdown of the movements and how to group enemies was very useful (although, it will take me time to personally implement it in the game since i always forget about such things relying on tanking everything).
I feel like this Abyss is a bit harder than before because of multiple enemy waves & enemies with shield.. I used Diluc cheap melt team (Rosa Sucrose BNT) for the first half, still worked fine without 5* weapon or even meta supp like Xianyun. And Arlecchino vape (Yelan, Kazu, XQ/Dehya) for the second half, with White Tassel + Favonius weapons on Yelan & Kazu
I just realized i have a serious skill issues, because my team: 1st: Kazuha, Bennett, Xingqiu, Arlecchino 2nd: Sucrose, Xianling, Yao yao, Neuvillette and i can get 7 stars on floor 12
I used Furina, Bennett, Xianglin, and Jean on the first half Ziongli, Nahida, Kuki, and c1 Yelan for cc, on the second half, I hope they fix the ping, its 12 midnight and my ping still goes loko😅
I find that Furina-XL-Nahida-Yaoyao works wonder on chamber 1. Just a mix of reactions. I wonder what makes that good, maybe tne burgeon, maybe the vape lmao but it's the one that made me 36 star it now.
@@elindred Actually, before I use National + Sucrose, I used Rational. And just like you said, 2nd wave is what makes me try National + Sucrose, I focused too much on maiden while those gunners still at full health, and when I thought I killed the maiden and hunt those gunners only to found out that maiden still alive with sliver of HP. Sadly, I found no success with my two previous teams. So I tried Rational again, only this time I changed Xingqiu to Yelan. Yelan's personal damage make up for lack of grouping since my team now deals way more damage.
as someone who'd only ever built xl and bennett i fuckin hate abysses with elemental restrictions makes it sooo much more frustrating and less fun imo like game i'm not fricking pulling arlecchino just for one abyss!!!
I understand the frustration with elemental restrictions, I don't love them either. That said, you don't need to pull for any five star in this or any other abyss. Arlecchino is good on this abyss, but so are plenty of other five stars you may have, and so are many many four stars.
unironically benny and xl are more than enough to clear this abyss too imo. it's just a matter of using the right elements, having enough ER to get bursts off cooldown, and grouping the enemies properly. ive cleared multiple times for friends who don't have arlecchino (and will never get her) and only have xl and benny built as their pyro units. yes arlecchino is good for this abyss but you don't need her if you already have a well-built xl + benny ready to go.
@@argonautnana i did use bennett + xl for the lower half but holy shit i'd always finish the second chamber short of 2 fucking seconds i'm honestly so done. my xl is on 228% ER + fav yelan and that wasn't even enough + lectors kept draining my damn energy + i'm on mobile so it's extra laggy i can't dodge a lot attacks in quick successions. despite my clearing 12-2-1 first half in 40 secs it wasn't enough for national to power through the other half lolll
Yes to Xingqiu if he's C2+, and Xiangling if she's C4+. Fischl's uptime is hurt a lot without her C6, so it depends on the team you're using her on. If it's a more bursty team where you only need Oz for a short window, she is still very strong without C6.
I don’t know if Floor 12 is meant to be playable for f2p players, no matter what I did it didn’t work. I have kept 73 CR and 214 CD with 3112 ATK on Ryden Shogun, hyper bloom team with Nahida with 856EM, all artefacts, weapons maxed out, no character with any combination hits damage more then 20k, is this a glitch in my account or my account somehow got nerfed that it doesn’t get any medium or high damage, I have seen players with much lower stats, gets damage more then 50, 70k and more. So, no number on stats matter in my account. Regardless of characters, weapons or artefacts I use. Damages still feel like someone would get at level 40-50 characters do normally. If this is how Genshin treats us then I don’t want to play it anymore.
Based on the stats you are emphasizing vs. important information you are not, I'd say the problem is you don't have a solid understanding of reactions or buffs. For instance, in a hyperbloom team generally it is your electro trigger's EM that matters, not Nahida.
@@phoenixlau That's rude of you but ok. I am not sure what exact 'important information' you are asking here for. The team I use is Yelan (sub dps), nahida for dendro, raiden for electro reaction with either Zhongli for sheild or Kuki for heal and Electro buff (elements are focused on EM for Kuki with 721 EM which doesn't seem low by any means). Yelan being sub dps, I have given it ATK, CR and CD, as 1363, 62%, and 206% resp.
@@bidhan_saha 1) Yelan scales off HP. ATK does nothing for her. Again you didn't mention ER like you didn't for Raiden. Kind of important for uptime. 2) Crit Raiden is not going to be doing much for hyperbloom damage. In fact, just having her on the same team will steal hyperblooms away from EM Kuki. 3) 721 EM is absolutely low for trigger, especially for Kuki who doesn't have any other stats you need to account for. Aim for 1000 EM before in-combat buffs. 4) Again you didn't mention a Deepwood holder. Sorry if you feel objective facts are "rude", but you presented your problem and I'm telling you exactly how to fix it.
Ya, the previous cycle’s Lunar Blessing was absolutely cracked, basically granting a free VV effect as long as you included one Pyro character on your team.
Better late than never? 😅Very sorry that this one is so late. Hopefully it will help at least in the remaining two iterations 🙏
yeah i watch the other chamber own long time ago next time be quick though 👍
Np nice tips ❤
Dw about it!! Thank you so much for creating these in the first place, they're soo helpful and fun to watch❤
Such a annoying abyss this time around. I think I'd rather fight the Wenut again than this one again. Those fatui operatives are so cringe argh every floor has at least one enemy I despise.😂
I agree.. ahaha we say we prefer the previous abyss everytime a new one comes out (except for the consecrated beasts abyss, no one liked that one)
I like them as they are susceptible to cc and if you use jean you can just abuse fall damage on them. Even without anemo there are ways to perpetually stun and cart them around. But yea , strong burst damage in the timeframes they give you is needed.
Ngl, I kinda want to fight wenut again in the abyss just to test how would Arlecchino fare against it. Could probably end the fight before he go to that flying phase.
If you have kazuha i HIGHLY suggest
i know. with the wenut you know you dont have much a chance because of the amount of time he is vulnerable.....where as these give you a false sense but they are tanked up real bad. I can clear first chambers 9:10 8:50 something like that. but barely end up with 1 star on the 2nd chamber
goddamn, you are so thorough and detailed in your explanations! thank you! everything is clear and even budget-friendly, so i am very grateful for your videos.
also, you have a very nice and soothing voice!
Those operatives are more annoying than the whole rest of the chamber. Thanks for the guide!
don't forget the lectors, they hit and drain your energy. I hate them so much
Thanks for this guide, can't wait for the rest. Changing the moon's blessing from pyro dmg to atk buff per heal just changed the entire abyss this reset imo.
the first half is easy but the second half takes forever for me, they're are too many enemies & i they separate all over the place
Thank you for explaining everything. Most CC stop explaining after a while, and assume we already know certain mechanics
Huh em nahida, crit xinqiu , em sucrose and em shinobu hits harder than I thought
With your guides, I’ve managed to get farther than I’ve ever gotten on the spiral abyss. I got 33 stars on this cycle.
omg thank you so much I managed to 3star chamber 1 after 24 resets, those operatives were a pain to deal with. Now to 3 star the other two chambers...
Thanks for this video even though it's near the end of this cycle! I was having a difficult time solidifying my two teams. Seeing your strategy with Sucrose helped me get three stars comfortably.
remember the three kenki's from that event back in the day....forgot its name. They were so fun to fight.
that 2 assasin that puts bond of life will be the death of me...
thoma burgeon on the bottom half is the comfiest i found for the second half, glad to see you liked it
don't think ive ever been pissed playing an abyss. genshin never surprises me
Operatives are tried like Abyss order level fast tanky herald before shield
Against the operative duo, my c6 faruzan and wanderer were juggling the operatives super high sometimes. I didn’t see how to consistently launch them, but once they were in the air, wanderers CA juggles the operatives very well
With kenki there is a trick, turn camera away at the beginning
Whoa that’s a neat trick! I was wondering how it works, thanks so much for sharing!
My Kokomi taser team does a great job vs the kenkis. Great aoe DPS and survivability. Kazuha national was the key to 2nd half for me. I feel the most crucial part is cc'ing and clearing the pyro gunners as fast as possible, being conscious of what cooldowns you have available as the cryo gunners before them are going down.
Overall, least enjoyable abyss so far since I started :/
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH. This is just for Chamber 1. Reading the title explain the idea, apparently. :)
I was so confused when you gave team variants without Pyro for the first half. I could only think about the Dancer fight! My first try was with Nilou Bloom, and while they demolished 12.1, nothing was done in 12.2. That's why I put so much focus on Pyro recommendations, until I finally realized my mistake!
Anyways, thank you for the video. This was my first one, and I'm definitely gonna check the other two. I don't want 35* anymore, I want to get the last one!
imo you don't really need pyro for the icewind suite on 12-2-1 since one ousia attack can disable the shield. if you have any ousia characters built -i.e. furina, navia, chevreuse, lynette, and wrio (although i advise against him since the boss has a ridiculous amount of cryo res) -then you don't necessarily need pyro. especially if you have the narzissenkreuz sword, you can just slap that on a support character and use it to disable coppelius instead. even for the cryo gunner on 12-3-1, if you can stun them just before they get their shields and kill them in one rotation you can forego pyro entirely.
@@argonautnana Admittedly, I forgot about that. But don't we need to hit him during a specific move? I'm not very good at paying attention to things, and getting Ousia from Furina (or the Sword) would require me to have one of them on field.
I'll give it a try, then. Thank you! If I can't get it, I'll just keep my 34-35 stars. I hate Abyss; 150 gems for this rotation isn't worth the struggle.
@@rubencp93 you just need to hit it as soon as he gets his shield up. furina's first NA generates the ousia attack you need to disable it so it won't really affect your rotation. what i like to do is set up just before it gets the shield up so you don't lose too much DPS.
I also use Nilou bloom for the first half and I can clear everything just fine. Just use the sword of Narsizenkruz (or whatever the name is) on Nilou to instantly destroy Icewind Suite's shield. Just remember to switch the sword to ousia mode in the underwater fontaine where the quest took place. Also, because the ousia effect activates with normal attack, you shouldn't NA with Nilou untill after he has his shield up so the effect doesn't go into cooldown.
I've never been so annoyed in my life.
The second half is so annoying and the last two enemies are so tanky, i still cant get 3 star on this chamber even with arlechinno team 💀
my problem is the green kenki its always walking away
im using mona, bennet, xiangling, kazuha. It clears pretty good i fall apart on 2nd floors.
None of the build looks extraordinary and yet you have cleared them with such ease.great explanation and I guess ping playes a little part.
it's mainly the skill, not the ping. i always have a green ping and have a such hard time clearing. the breakdown of the movements and how to group enemies was very useful (although, it will take me time to personally implement it in the game since i always forget about such things relying on tanking everything).
I feel like this Abyss is a bit harder than before because of multiple enemy waves & enemies with shield..
I used Diluc cheap melt team (Rosa Sucrose BNT) for the first half, still worked fine without 5* weapon or even meta supp like Xianyun. And Arlecchino vape (Yelan, Kazu, XQ/Dehya) for the second half, with White Tassel + Favonius weapons on Yelan & Kazu
I just realized i have a serious skill issues, because my team:
1st: Kazuha, Bennett, Xingqiu, Arlecchino
2nd: Sucrose, Xianling, Yao yao, Neuvillette
and i can get 7 stars on floor 12
Ngl I miss the wenut
I DO NOT
I used Furina, Bennett, Xianglin, and Jean on the first half
Ziongli, Nahida, Kuki, and c1 Yelan for cc, on the second half,
I hope they fix the ping, its 12 midnight and my ping still goes loko😅
Frost Kenki always dash forward and split from group. I tried too many times but didn't do.
I find that Furina-XL-Nahida-Yaoyao works wonder on chamber 1. Just a mix of reactions. I wonder what makes that good, maybe tne burgeon, maybe the vape lmao but it's the one that made me 36 star it now.
I was using National + Sucrose, yet I always fail at two Operatives. Change it to Raiden National but swap Xingqiu to Yelan works wonder.
I tried raiden national but the lack of grouping and the overloads made it difficult for me, especially with the pyro gunners.
@@elindred Actually, before I use National + Sucrose, I used Rational. And just like you said, 2nd wave is what makes me try National + Sucrose, I focused too much on maiden while those gunners still at full health, and when I thought I killed the maiden and hunt those gunners only to found out that maiden still alive with sliver of HP.
Sadly, I found no success with my two previous teams. So I tried Rational again, only this time I changed Xingqiu to Yelan. Yelan's personal damage make up for lack of grouping since my team now deals way more damage.
as someone who'd only ever built xl and bennett i fuckin hate abysses with elemental restrictions makes it sooo much more frustrating and less fun imo like game i'm not fricking pulling arlecchino just for one abyss!!!
I understand the frustration with elemental restrictions, I don't love them either.
That said, you don't need to pull for any five star in this or any other abyss. Arlecchino is good on this abyss, but so are plenty of other five stars you may have, and so are many many four stars.
unironically benny and xl are more than enough to clear this abyss too imo. it's just a matter of using the right elements, having enough ER to get bursts off cooldown, and grouping the enemies properly. ive cleared multiple times for friends who don't have arlecchino (and will never get her) and only have xl and benny built as their pyro units. yes arlecchino is good for this abyss but you don't need her if you already have a well-built xl + benny ready to go.
@@argonautnana i did use bennett + xl for the lower half but holy shit i'd always finish the second chamber short of 2 fucking seconds i'm honestly so done. my xl is on 228% ER + fav yelan and that wasn't even enough + lectors kept draining my damn energy + i'm on mobile so it's extra laggy i can't dodge a lot attacks in quick successions. despite my clearing 12-2-1 first half in 40 secs it wasn't enough for national to power through the other half lolll
Hand stiffness and controller wear is the reward of this game for 600 shitty primos. Genshin devs brains are thinking backwards. No glory just pain.
Do you recommend if it's worth using 4 stars like Xingqiu, Fischl, Xiangling for this abyss if they aren't C6?
Yes to Xingqiu if he's C2+, and Xiangling if she's C4+.
Fischl's uptime is hurt a lot without her C6, so it depends on the team you're using her on. If it's a more bursty team where you only need Oz for a short window, she is still very strong without C6.
@@jyolikearock_ yeah thats what i figured, i only have c2 on XL and c1 on Xq. Guess i just have to wait :(
Oh so im just bad all along
A what trio?? 😅
KINKY
white(?) kenki? isn't it green?
I don’t know if Floor 12 is meant to be playable for f2p players, no matter what I did it didn’t work. I have kept 73 CR and 214 CD with 3112 ATK on Ryden Shogun, hyper bloom team with Nahida with 856EM, all artefacts, weapons maxed out, no character with any combination hits damage more then 20k, is this a glitch in my account or my account somehow got nerfed that it doesn’t get any medium or high damage, I have seen players with much lower stats, gets damage more then 50, 70k and more. So, no number on stats matter in my account. Regardless of characters, weapons or artefacts I use. Damages still feel like someone would get at level 40-50 characters do normally.
If this is how Genshin treats us then I don’t want to play it anymore.
Based on the stats you are emphasizing vs. important information you are not, I'd say the problem is you don't have a solid understanding of reactions or buffs.
For instance, in a hyperbloom team generally it is your electro trigger's EM that matters, not Nahida.
@@phoenixlau That's rude of you but ok. I am not sure what exact 'important information' you are asking here for. The team I use is Yelan (sub dps), nahida for dendro, raiden for electro reaction with either Zhongli for sheild or Kuki for heal and Electro buff (elements are focused on EM for Kuki with 721 EM which doesn't seem low by any means). Yelan being sub dps, I have given it ATK, CR and CD, as 1363, 62%, and 206% resp.
@@bidhan_saha 1) Yelan scales off HP. ATK does nothing for her. Again you didn't mention ER like you didn't for Raiden. Kind of important for uptime.
2) Crit Raiden is not going to be doing much for hyperbloom damage. In fact, just having her on the same team will steal hyperblooms away from EM Kuki.
3) 721 EM is absolutely low for trigger, especially for Kuki who doesn't have any other stats you need to account for. Aim for 1000 EM before in-combat buffs.
4) Again you didn't mention a Deepwood holder. Sorry if you feel objective facts are "rude", but you presented your problem and I'm telling you exactly how to fix it.
@@phoenixlauTried, doesn’t work. It’s only matter of some accounts having glitch no stats matter, I tried everything
i 36 starred this the first time and was struggling to re-do it
I hate this abyss, it just isn't fun
Ya, the previous cycle’s Lunar Blessing was absolutely cracked, basically granting a free VV effect as long as you included one Pyro character on your team.
@@jyolikearock_ that must be why, my account is heavy into pyro
I beat Kenki in 50 sec with Wanderer despite failing to group them.
Nice video bro