28:46 "... It's not about emptying the mind ... it's about allowing, or surrendering to, the mind; just offering up an "is it true?" to the mind is child-like enough to entertain it!" ... thank you Katie.
When I see the tears start in some of these videos, my heart is love exploding. I always envision Ego losing its grip and the crying is the release into and the soaring into the truth/relief/love. I love this experience into freedom. It is a trip.
What a blessing! I wish all males would allow their hearts to crack open loke this man's did. My witnessing of his heart opening has restored my faith thank you
If we are in fear we feel we are protected...YES. This is so helpful. Our fear is not a position we want to hold onto. No matter how “right” we feel.crying too here.
17:50 It's so moving to see (and hear) realisation hit ... the beautiful self is exposed through the tears of our joyful aspect at our finally understanding/recognising. 20:00 "... through the beautiful gift of now ... flowers opening, petals falling ..." Thank you Katie: it can't be said any better.
Really powerful, "This is why we can't end war in the world". We have the way to peace, and it so simple. I just want to cry. I choose to let the things in life take over and keep myself closed from this enlightenment. Thank you for uploading these videos, with you r teachings.
Danke für dieses schöne Video mit Katie, lieber Armin. Der Moment deiner Erkenntnis war sehr berührend . The Work ist der beste Weg zur Freiheit den ich kenne , täglich wird man mehr zu sich selbst und es braucht niemanden außer mir selber um mich zu befreien. Totale Eigenverantwortung ! Wie Du so schön sagtest, sehr radikal.
each - every recording seems apt and brilliant - without a past or future, nothing happens and there is nothing to forgive - yes radical - thank you so much BK, thanks so much Armin and thanks for uploading ...hope this really really spreads and gets really really integrated by 'me'!!!!
"If I have an enemy, that is on me; not the other way around." Sometimes that is true, but not always. Almost always, when there is an 'enemy' relationship, both (or all) parties have done wrong and helped to create or at least worsen that relationship. But that is not *necessarily* so. "The enlightened mind has nothing to forgive." How can that be true except if one were to say that they have actually and truly *already* forgiven all of the real wrongs that have been done to us by others *and* all of the real wrongs that we have done to ourselves. I agree that we absolutely *must* examine our thinking about others and questioning the post-it notes we stick on them. But that is not the whole story! Others DO do wrong sometimes, and real, honest, costly forgiveness is *required.* I have come to understand that real forgiveness means "the one wronged pays the price for the one who did the wrong." And there is *always* a price to pay. Forgiveness means "to cancel a debt," and the debt is as real as the wrong that was committed. Neither the debt nor the wrong are *necessarily* imagined. They are often very real. "The slap only hurts in the past." That is just not true! "There is nothing to forgive." That is just not true either! Physical slaps do *not* just hurt in the past. And just like physical hurts can and sometimes do leave lasting - and even life-long! - scars and wounds that do not fully heal (to a place of full restoration), social/emotional hurts leave lasting scars and wounds that do not always heal fully either. That is part of that very real *price* that is paid for forgiveness. "If I see you as an enemy, I am insane." Sometimes that might be true! It is entirely possible for someone to *imagine* another as there enemy when it has little or no bearing in reality. But that is certainly not *always* true. "I saw that nothing was true." Please help me here: what does this even mean? If *nothing* is true, then how could you "see" that (perceive that, understand that)? If *nothing* is true, how could you even think such a thought? If *nothing* is true, then by what standard do we judge something to be untrue? I am not asking this rhetorically! Please explain this.
It is in the past but we keep rehashing it in our own minds. I don't believe we have to be friends with someone who hurt us but we stop suffering when we no longer carry the burden of resentment etc... you can forgive knowing that that person must have been suffering to do what they did or they simply did not know any better and move on from it. As the Buddha said "anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to get ill" Non-forgiveness hurts you. I don't think forgiveness means tolerating more abuse or whatever it is it just means freeing yourself. I don't agree that you can see the person with a whole fresh new look and just forget what they did, that would be naive, expecting them not to behave in the same way again and even giving them the opportunity but I guess it depends on the situation. Maybe the next time they do the thing you perceive as being wrong you will act completely differently and the whole situation may shift
Bob Crozier : there’s 2 types of forgiveness. Quantum forgiveness (it never happened) and forgiveness to destroy (you injured me, I will forgive you conditionally because of my superiority and wait for you to f it up again, cuz I’m keeping track....) The 1st One is the cause of peace. The 2nd One is the cause of pain, and defense, and defense is the 1st act of war. ;)
I think you ask some very good questions, like you ask how it can be true that the enlightened mind has nothing to forgive. You say that is only possible if that mind has already forgiven all of the wrongs. I think the answer is something Katie is adding to that remark. She says: "It's beyond judgement" 9:55. I think that is the whole issue here. Good and bad are relative things. The only thing you can do, is see for yourselve what is good or bad and The Work is a very powerful tool to help you with that. In my own expierence, it turned out that a lot of bad things that happened, weren't so bad after all. And then there is nothing to forgive.
Dear Katie, It is all wonderful in the theory. I guess I need to watch this video about 100 times more to get it. With perfect intellectual knowledge about forgiveness, I still cannot forgive someone who I perceive as attack me. I wish you can help me.
katya korolkova i don't think I would also get it just by watching ...doing the worksheets works .....if that doesn't work, there are facebook groups where people ask for help when stuck and get some great suggestions ☺☺
i think the realization that the answer is within you. I think he reconnected to the light within him at the moment and the shell just dropped away after that.
The WORK is like Acim in a nutshell. Forever grateful BK.
“These tears are part of the leaving.” So touching to see someone be innocent and vulnerable. That really helps! ❤️
28:46 "... It's not about emptying the mind ... it's about allowing, or surrendering to, the mind; just offering up an "is it true?" to the mind is child-like enough to entertain it!" ... thank you Katie.
When I see the tears start in some of these videos, my heart is love exploding. I always envision Ego losing its grip and the crying is the release into and the soaring into the truth/relief/love. I love this experience into freedom. It is a trip.
What a wonderful image. Thank you.
What a blessing! I wish all males would allow their hearts to crack open loke this man's did. My witnessing of his heart opening has restored my faith thank you
If we are in fear we feel we are protected...YES. This is so helpful. Our fear is not a position we want to hold onto. No matter how “right” we feel.crying too here.
I am humbled by the silence and pure recognition that they share at 29:07. This is just beautiful.
17:50 It's so moving to see (and hear) realisation hit ... the beautiful self is exposed through the tears of our joyful aspect at our finally understanding/recognising. 20:00 "... through the beautiful gift of now ... flowers opening, petals falling ..." Thank you Katie: it can't be said any better.
Really powerful, "This is why we can't end war in the world". We have the way to peace, and it so simple. I just want to cry. I choose to let the things in life take over and keep myself closed from this enlightenment. Thank you for uploading these videos, with you r teachings.
What a beaaauuutiful transmission - from Katie and Armit both. Thank you .
Danke für dieses schöne Video mit Katie, lieber Armin. Der Moment deiner Erkenntnis war sehr berührend . The Work ist der beste Weg zur Freiheit den ich kenne , täglich wird man mehr zu sich selbst und es braucht niemanden außer mir selber um mich zu befreien. Totale Eigenverantwortung ! Wie Du so schön sagtest, sehr radikal.
each - every recording seems apt and brilliant - without a past or future, nothing happens and there is nothing to forgive - yes radical - thank you so much BK, thanks so much Armin and thanks for uploading ...hope this really really spreads and gets really really integrated by 'me'!!!!
exquisite presence shared - thank you both of you.
Soooooo greeeeat , God bless you katie and your friend. I’m Arabic and I follow you
19:10 "there is no other way". True.
Wish I understood!!!! Thank's so much for this.
"If I have an enemy, that is on me; not the other way around." Sometimes that is true, but not always. Almost always, when there is an 'enemy' relationship, both (or all) parties have done wrong and helped to create or at least worsen that relationship. But that is not *necessarily* so.
"The enlightened mind has nothing to forgive." How can that be true except if one were to say that they have actually and truly *already* forgiven all of the real wrongs that have been done to us by others *and* all of the real wrongs that we have done to ourselves.
I agree that we absolutely *must* examine our thinking about others and questioning the post-it notes we stick on them. But that is not the whole story! Others DO do wrong sometimes, and real, honest, costly forgiveness is *required.* I have come to understand that real forgiveness means "the one wronged pays the price for the one who did the wrong." And there is *always* a price to pay. Forgiveness means "to cancel a debt," and the debt is as real as the wrong that was committed. Neither the debt nor the wrong are *necessarily* imagined. They are often very real.
"The slap only hurts in the past." That is just not true! "There is nothing to forgive." That is just not true either! Physical slaps do *not* just hurt in the past. And just like physical hurts can and sometimes do leave lasting - and even life-long! - scars and wounds that do not fully heal (to a place of full restoration), social/emotional hurts leave lasting scars and wounds that do not always heal fully either. That is part of that very real *price* that is paid for forgiveness.
"If I see you as an enemy, I am insane." Sometimes that might be true! It is entirely possible for someone to *imagine* another as there enemy when it has little or no bearing in reality. But that is certainly not *always* true.
"I saw that nothing was true." Please help me here: what does this even mean? If *nothing* is true, then how could you "see" that (perceive that, understand that)? If *nothing* is true, how could you even think such a thought? If *nothing* is true, then by what standard do we judge something to be untrue? I am not asking this rhetorically! Please explain this.
It is in the past but we keep rehashing it in our own minds. I don't believe we have to be friends with someone who hurt us but we stop suffering when we no longer carry the burden of resentment etc... you can forgive knowing that that person must have been suffering to do what they did or they simply did not know any better and move on from it.
As the Buddha said "anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to get ill"
Non-forgiveness hurts you.
I don't think forgiveness means tolerating more abuse or whatever it is it just means freeing yourself.
I don't agree that you can see the person with a whole fresh new look and just forget what they did, that would be naive, expecting them not to behave in the same way again and even giving them the opportunity but I guess it depends on the situation. Maybe the next time they do the thing you perceive as being wrong you will act completely differently and the whole situation may shift
Bob Crozier : there’s 2 types of forgiveness. Quantum forgiveness (it never happened) and forgiveness to destroy (you injured me, I will forgive you conditionally because of my superiority and wait for you to f it up again, cuz I’m keeping track....)
The 1st One is the cause of peace. The 2nd One is the cause of pain, and defense, and defense is the 1st act of war. ;)
I think you ask some very good questions, like you ask how it can be true that the enlightened mind has nothing to forgive. You say that is only possible if that mind has already forgiven all of the wrongs. I think the answer is something Katie is adding to that remark. She says: "It's beyond judgement" 9:55. I think that is the whole issue here. Good and bad are relative things. The only thing you can do, is see for yourselve what is good or bad and The Work is a very powerful tool to help you with that. In my own expierence, it turned out that a lot of bad things that happened, weren't so bad after all. And then there is nothing to forgive.
One of your best BK!
Dear Katie, It is all wonderful in the theory. I guess I need to watch this video about 100 times more to get it. With perfect intellectual knowledge about forgiveness, I still cannot forgive someone who I perceive as attack me. I wish you can help me.
katya there is no theory...there is nothing to get. Intellectual knowledge is your our the worlds "problem"
katya korolkova i don't think I would also get it just by watching ...doing the worksheets works .....if that doesn't work, there are facebook groups where people ask for help when stuck and get some great suggestions ☺☺
This is so beautiful. Thank you!
Trank You for sharing!
Wow. Beautiful. Thank you!
Beautiful and amazing realisation.
Thank you !
I needed that (I needed that?) ❤
Thank you!
Wonderful
"the enlightened mind is beyond judgment." Is that true? Can I be absolutely sure that's true?
Contemplative Corinne exactly
Unconditional forgiveness?
What meets the question is the answer to the question? He's crying and id don't get it. I thought I did before.
i think the realization that the answer is within you. I think he reconnected to the light within him at the moment and the shell just dropped away after that.
I loved! Where should I email you guys to get an online session with Katie!
i love my thoughts about katie ^_^ namaste fam
I don't get this one
watch it again and again...then a few times more...Me too at first KATIE AND ARMIN GO SOOOOOOOOO DEEP HERE
just incredible
Anne King hi in my experience listening to these you tubes can just be an intellectual understanding unless we do the worksheets .....💙☺
Put your faith in God, not in any one person.
Moving
No consequences?
Good work but Adi Da Samraj is the ultimate liberator
yummy