WE WERE SCREWED OVER (watch this before you buy a sailboat)
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After months of struggling to fix up a boat that was a lost cause, we finally sold it. We read every single comment you left on your previous videos, and you were heard. And so were the dozens of people in the marina praying for us to sell the damn thing.
This doesn't mean we're giving up, it just means the search continues to find the right sailboat to sail us around Australia. We still intend to restore a sailboat but with a list of requirements this time, a sound hull, rigging under 10 years old, and anti-fouled within the last three years.
That being said, I guess we'll see what the universe throws at us.
When you buy an old boat that’s exactly what it is an old boat. You can repair the necessary things. Usually cosmetics are expensive so just forget that. Make the engine work well, put on a good bottom and get new sails. Repair the running and standing rigging as you go. I have an old 1973 cal. Great boat but it’s still an old boat. Fix things when you can. I went sailing today on her and I love her. Are there many projects that need to be done? Of course there are but get the boat sailing ASAP. Then work out the bugs. Most of these videos I see of people (without much experience) repairing and changing things around. Most of it is unnecessary. Get the boat sailing. Make it safe and go from there. Good luck with the new boat. If you find that this boat needs all the things the old boat needed just get her sailing and work from there.
This is good advice
Thank you
it's easy to take others inventory and point out. Your super knowledgeable must be nice to never have education handed to you like this couple. Bill maiden captain obvious.
1st rule of buying any boat new or used.. Pay for a survey.. Just like buying a house u get a inspection. Its the same for boats. If someone tells you that you dont need one walk away from the deal no matter how good it sounds.. Sorry if that sounded harsh... Just being real guys.
@@larrytrail2865 I'm in a yard next to an 80k boat that was "surveyed "
So far they have replace the entire deck and removed four skins of glass due to osmosis. The surveyor never indicated any of this work needed do ing because he never identified the problems.
The first rule of buying a sailboat is don't buy a ferrocement boat. Survey is just throwing away money on a ferrocement boat.
@@mckenziekeith7434 why
@@annod6 because you shouldn't buy it no matter what the survey says. Therefore any money spent on the survey is wasted. That is what I meant.
McKenzie Keith why not ferrocement
Hi Guys
You are too kind. It has been a pleasure passing on the insight of 30 years of boat ownership. Great that you are as passionate as ever and are prepared to get dirty. A prerequisite to success. Good luck and may the sun shine on you both and have fair winds always
Howzit Gordon! Glad to see you're on here! Avalon x
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Definitely not a failure, definitely learning! We've all been there, whether it's boats, cars or motorcycles. As I always say "everyday really is a schoolday!". Looking forward to future videos.
Thank you for the honesty. It is not easy to face reality. You are helping tons of people by posting this.
In the future you may want to find an experience sailor/owner to do the first walk thru with you...you may walk away without hiring a surveyor. If the first walk thru is positive THEN hire a surveyor. You learned the hard way, like many of us have.
When I bought my first boat in 1997, I had no idea what I was doing. I went to my bank to see if I could get it financed and they would finance 80% of the purchase price on the condition that I get this thing called a marine survey. They had the names of several surveyors that they recommended - I picked one and got lucky. He surveyed the boat and found it to be a good one that just needed some minor repairs. I sold the boat two years later and gave the name of the surveyor to the buyer. The boat sold for about what I paid for it and I got my bigger boat. I used the same surveyor again. When I sold the bigger boat 6 years later the buyer didn't get a pre-purchase marine survey. Unfortunately, his insurance company would not cover the boat without a survey. So, he got an after-purchase survey which is kind of useless. The surveyor had no material findings - the boat was in excellent condition when it was sold. Lesson here - always get a pre-purchase survey and be careful using any surveyors that a boat broker has recommended. Note that good surveyors are always busy and it might take a couple of weeks before he can do the work. Don't be cheap here because findings will usually be considered when the final price is negotiated.
Lifes' lessons are learned through fear and hardship is my personal affirmation. You two are ahead of the curve! Cheers and be safe.
hi guys, we're a young couple with 4 seasons of experience sailing south western australia. we know exactly what your going through. we bought a 30' grp racer cruiser on the advice we received to go as small as possible. we've found 30' more than enough to handle the consistent 25-35knt southerlys and 4m seas over the WA summer. its been hard work and expensive but rewarding at the same time. my advice though, having been where you are now, would be to get a 26' trailer sailer and tow it up to Shark Bay, Ningaloo or the Dampier Archipelago for a one or two month long holiday every year, so much cheaper and much more rewarding than a penned boat in the south west.
Always plenty of trailer sailors in Perth!
Guys, a few words of wisdom from my side here. There are a lot of sharks in the water and you can be so easily taken in, luckily it was an early mistake and you didn't spend a fortune on the boat yet. Now, everybody will have a take on what you should buy but you need to assess your requirement and budget. Firstly, just because you haven't sailed before doesn't mean you have to get a small boat. You don't need to but a small cruiser to get your skill set up, you can but a little dinghy or sail with others. Here is what you need to ask yourself...
Where are you planning on sailing, coastal or bluewater crossing oceans?
How many people are going to be on the boat for longer than a week or two? A boat is a small place and can get crowded very quickly, you don't have personal space with two or more people.
How often are you going to have crew with you? Extra cabin may be worth it then.
What is your skill set in terms of repairs? Anyone can watch youtube and say "I can do that" but you need to have an aptitude for it and determination.
When my wife and I started sailing we bought a small 24ft boat. We are now looking for a 40+ blue cruiser with 6 - 8 berths to take on crew if needed and friends and family when they come visit. Ideally have lines running aft so that in rough weather you minimise your trips forward. Watch a lot of channels on youtube to get an idea of what you look for and before you buy get someone with real knowledge to have look. Ask around an area about a specific boat to get info. Watch out for cored decks and cored hulls, if there has been water ingress then it can severely weaken the structure. Osmosis on FG boats can be an absolute pain but doesn't always mean the end of the boat but can can be costly to repair if someone does it for you, time consuming to do it yourself but you're young so you have time. You can do a lot of repairs and sorting out a boat whilst learning with others. Go to dinghy clubs as they are a lot of fun and you really do learn the basics. Join a sailing club and go on their cruisers as crew and ask loads of questions.
Steel boats are more forgiving if you hit something but they need a lot more maintenance.
Ferro boats are mainly home built and their quality can vary greatly, a commercially built one can last well.
Plastic boats, very easy to repair by yourself but kit to repair can be costly depending on where you buy it.
Aluminium boats, well, I would stay away from them for now. Very good boats but if you've got electrolysis then you can have major problems
IMPORTANT: Whatever money you put into a boat you will not get back so pointless spending a fortune on doing up a small boat if it is not going to meet your needs in a couple of years because, not only have you lost that money but you also probably will have to do it all again with the replacement boat and all this time you really want to be out there sailing and enjoying the adventure.
Sorry if this seems like a lecture but hopefully it will help you. Good luck kids, I sincerely hope it works out for you!
Do you have a particular manufacturer that is a favourite with your potential 40ft plus Blue Water Cruiser?
Great advice. Clear words. Please let know if you have any UA-cam channel of yours to subscribe. I am sure such words can not be formulated by someone without experience.
@@davidturner8301 My wife and I owned a Kelly-Peterson 46 and cruised her for 8 years. Best boat we ever owned.
Good advice always buy a boat that the previous owner has spent lots of cash doing up or you will end up with an old boat that you spend time and money on and the value will never increase peoples circumstances often change and planned voyages have to be defered or put off altogether its best to step in then and buy yheir dream boat it may cost a good bit more than similar boats on the market but will be well worth it and you know the boat is good condition or the owner would not have invested so much cash in doing her up even then get an experienced sailor with sailing and LIFE experience to look at her then get a survey remember a surveyor must be insured and belong to a proffessional body so if they get it wrong you can take them to court although i have never heard of this being necessary with a proper proffessional surveyor and word of mouth means a lot in buying boats so ask around to verify peoples charicter good luck jm galway ireland
What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. Great life lesson and kudos to you both for learning from it.
If they make an epic mistake like this why would you encourage them to back out on the water ?Can you say Gilligan's Island
Atr42Greasemonkey it must be amazing living a life where you make no mistakes and get everything right first time. Loved Gilligan’s island 😀
Great attitude, the lost money is just a paid education. I like that you're posting the raw lessons and keep up those smiles, we love the channel!
My 2 bits : I've owned and fixed up several sailboats . I recommend to anyone thinking of buying a fixer upper Don't ! Everything will take longer and materials are very expensive . My advice go to work , save money , get educated ,do research , then go buy a good boat one that has been maintained ( very important ) you will then be able to have a balance of work and pleasure . If you buy right , when you sell you'll come out ok . Smooth sailing
Greg ... the best advice i have seen so far.
Great advice the days of fixing up old boats are long gone the only reason to do this is if you have a few years to spare on the prodject but it will cost way more money in the end never mind the you tube vids of kids who get an old boat for a few grand and have her ready to cross an ocean within a year or less for every one old boat that works out there are twenty that as soon as you scrape thr surface are beyond fixing without spending three times the price of a decient boat if a boat has not been kept i tiptop condition walk away i have thirty years experience buying and working on boats and have learned the hard way you get what you pay for get the smallest boat to suit your needs and keep saving until you can buy something decient never buy a boat that you cant sail home there and then is a good guide all the best jm galway ireland
@@johnmilligan6605 thank you
Good to see you moving forward. I purchased a 37ft boat to use as a training boat before buying the 40/45 boat to go off on. I later found it takes the same to learning to operate a 45 ft boat as it does a 37ft boat or a smaller one. Yes the operating costs are higher but it is cheaper than selling and then buying the big one and having to relearn how to deal with a 45ft boat and to do a second refit. My learning was I never got the 45ft one, ran out of money... Ask questions then when you know it ask some more questions.
Roger, what you say contradicts what they say, & it would cuz what u say is true. So, they made the exact same mistakes again ? Rushing in without research ? It's implausible when you add that the last boat was apparently condemned but they sold it. What is most likely is they quit on the big boat, just too much work, took a loss and bought a smaller boat for that loss. The condemned story is just that, a story; if it were true I would expect them to be a lot more furious with the previous owner and looking for legal action, but no. When you take all the points I've mentioned, not just one point, then the most likely occurrence was that they simply quit & sought an easier way. My verdict ? #1 I have no time for dishonest people. #2 When trouble comes they will not be the people to come through it. #3 I'm unsubscribed.
@@luciousbrun5437 Unsubscribed, me too.
@@luciousbrun5437 Your 'verdict' is based on a a few guesses and so has zero value but for yourself. The boat was sold with full disclosure and legal advice was taken. But on their behalf, I'm glad you've unsubscribed. They don't need armchair achievers claiming to know everything and throwing baseless accusations.
4xoverland, ur clearly an idiot. There was no baseless accusation. Their story on its own is very dubious, and when you add to it their last video where they were fed up and fully and seriously deliberating quitting cuz it was hard work, then IT IS CLEAR AND OBVIOUS what they have done - lied to us. Clearly u r part of their deception, or you're just an idiot, but ur not an idiot cuz that's clear by the sentences you write, so u r part of their deception. I don't mind what you do in your private lives, and if you want to lie to people on UA-cam you can do that also, but do not insult and abuse me. Your gladness at my unsubscription is nothing but spiteful - what you would expect from liars. Finally, I'm not the only one who no longer has time to receive your videos. Now leave me alone. Any further communications with me will be seen as malicious.
@@luciousbrun5437 I know its a baseless accusation based on guesses because I was part of these events, and can vouch for 100% and painful honesty. Your accusations of dishonestly is because you know you would not have behaved this way and would have tried to hide something. Kate and Cam didn't. But believe what you want. It really makes no difference.
As a former yacht broker and sailor of over 25 years, I've seen this happen many times. I've even tried to stop friends from buying the wrong boat (and sometimes they bought it anyway). My buying rule is like baseball. Three strikes and I move on. A "Strike" is any serious repair. If the boat needs all new ports, that qualifies as a strike. Bad plumbing strike two. Corrosion at the mast step, strike THREE and I keep looking. Better still, buy a boat with no strikes. I recently bought my 5th boat, a Beneteau 393 and she's in superb shape. I prefer sailing to rebuilding a neglected vessel.
Hi Robert I'm looking at a Beneteau 50ft , its a private party sale.
It's somebody looking at a boat in this price range be going to a broker to do the purchase and get the best results for a good solid boat ?
If a broker is the best way to buy a dog could you refer me to somebody?
@@apollomorris9920 Make sure you find a good surveyor. That will be your best defense and key to finding a good boat. Join some groups for Beneteau and talk to people who own the same boat or the boats from that period.
@@robertbrody4032 thanks Robert.
Completely agree. Especially the sailing instead of restoring. I’ve restored a couple boats before and can honestly say..I’m over it. Like the old saying goes…no such thing as a cheap boat.
Without a survey this is what happens
Yes, lesson learned. Move forward. Keep your spirits up. You're young and have a lot of adventures ahead of you. You'll be ok. Keep the dream going.
Great attitude. You will get where you want to be if you learn from your mistakes
Owning a boat and cruising (in my experience) is 70% maintenance and only 30% sailing. If you have lots of money and live in a big city, you can find someone to hire to do the maintenance but if you want to go cruising or have limited funds the only option is to acquire lots of skills. Step one (for most of us) is a diesel maintenance course.
OMG! How did you not notice how lumpy the hull of the other boat looked? You need a sturdy solid fiberglass hulled boat, maybe a Bristol Yachts, Cape Dory, Tartan, or Halberg Rassy. You also want solar panels, and self steering gear (a kind of mechanical autopilot) is a huge bonus.
I've waited so long for this video, I feel so lucky to have spent those 7 weeks of making hard decisions and hard talks with you guys. I can guarantee anyone reading this comment that at the end of every day they said how glad they were to have learnt this lesson now rather than later! Time for me to come back I think 😏
Hi everyone,
We thought we should briefly mention the people that bought the boat. We were completely upfront and honest with them about everything that had happened. They had previously owned six ferrocement boats and believed they were capable of fixing her up. With enough time, money and will, anythings possible right? We should also mention that, knowing what we knew, we sold the boat for a fraction of what we paid for it.
You need to get the person you bought her from, and throw them a good beating. I just stumbled across your channel, sorry you got taken. unfortunately we can't rid the world of unscrupulous people.
I'm very happy to see this. I'm sorry for your unfortunate experience, but happy to know you didn't pass that same experience on to someone else. You did the right thing.
At least you recovered from that.
Well, if your confident enough ton your sailing skills then yes, get a férocement boat, they are cheap. But they are cheap for one reason: insurance companies won’t cover up, as once you’ve punched a hole in the boat it’s the end, no way to repair it and resell it.
As for the repairs, every single boat will constantly need repairs, be it a new boat or a used one. Boats are a financial hole, and if you’re not prepared for a lot of sacrifice and a lot of DIY work, just don’t buy a boat.
For the shower, once you’re sailing you won’t get to shower that often, even if you have a shower on board the water supply is limited to your tanks, you might shower 4 times at best before running out of water. Most sailors, even those having a shower, use to shower in the ocean.
Don’t look at a boat like at an apartment, look at a boat like at a boat, or if you don’t have any sailing experience, like at a camping car
@@brunol-p_g8800 I always wondered about the shower thing. Why don't people pipe water from the ocean as shower water? Legitimate question because I know nothing about sailing. I know some boats have those small hoses on the deck sometimes that can use sea water to hose the deck down so why not a shower?
It's part of life to learn from mistakes.
Congratulations on recognizing and learning them.
you have not given up and this is important for future success.
good luck
I saw your comment on another you tube channel, about purchasing a boat that is old. Here is my story and i am interested to get your feedback. Lets say that you are in a place in the world
where boats are at a premium, though the pandemic has changed that somewhat.
but lets say that boats are typically about 10000 or 15000 for an ocean going boat. But, that there was
one available for 3000 that had a full keel as this one does. and is a RAWSON 30 which I owned before
though my friend sold it before we could really use it . But, I have always liked these boats and this one
is from 1970 . this boat has made 2 ocean crossings . the first i dont know, but the second was
from mexico to asia. The boat stopped in Manilla, phillipines and was left for about 3 years
at the dock. the engine , perkins, is full of rust and is not running, the sails in the locker were pretty bad
and the main has a lot of small tears , and the battons have wear, the dinghy needs repair,
the electric, needs a total overhaul, there are no electronics , except a vhf whch may or may not work
and a satellite phone, which may or may not work, lots of charts , no batteries that work, it does
have an inverter, converter , etc. but not sure that works either, the bathroom was never put in , and
looks like the bottom of the mast has some rot, but i dont think that its of the kind that is serious
the owner wanted 7000, which i really had to laugh, but now i have the price at 3000, but i have
not had it out of the water. i know that everyonewill say " you must take it out ' others say " well, it doest have any leaks right ? " to which i say, yes its pretty dry. the rigging seems good , the sails in the bags are very bad shape, rust color and deterioration, This may be the best deal i can get here and
i just dont know whether to get into it or not, the cabin inside. needs lots of wood work, in the v birth the sides are coming apart and need rewood work done there, but these keels were made to last
but how long ? and what about worms inside the fiber? would you go for it ? or anyway would love to hear your advice or anyone who cares to comment , god bless . happy sailing .
Aww, I was looking forward to all the repair videos. I'm sure the next boat will need fixing up as well tho.
I bought an O'Day 25 that came with its original factory built trailer. Having a trailerable boat that you can launch, recover, step and de-step the mast, and haul it home all by yourself and then park it in your driveway, to me is the best way to get into sailing.
Don't be afraid to make mistakes, just focus on making those mistakes SMALL.
When it comes to an old boat plan on spending at least 75% of the purchase price for fixes, upgrades etc. in the first year. Rigging, sails , engines and electronics are expensive. And GET A PROFESSIONAL SURVEY.
A lot of comments about getting a survey. While for the most part I agree, it is more important to know when to walk away. Survey's on old boats are ridiculously expensive and will quickly eat away at your budget. For example; why pay $500 to survey an engine that is not worth $500? Most surveyors can tell you within five minutes if you should walk away, but most won't. They make their money surveying boats, not saving you money. Do a little research and learn to walk away. Only when you find your dream boat is it worth even considering to get a survey.
learning can be painful, but you will move on from this
Thanks for the heads up guys, we also are in our new marriage and are looking to buy a 35 foot 71 Coronado and your video was so helpful.
As you are new to sailing, and boating in general, it’s easy to become enamored with the dream. The sea, the freedom and the vessels themselves are all quite alluring. I’ve been through it myself. A word of wisdom, of which I’m sure you’ve heard a lot of lately, be patient. Learn your vessel. Learn how to sail from others or take a class. Once done with that, if your plan is to sail offshore, crew with experienced passage makers, or captains ferrying vessels from one location to another. In one year you will be surprised how much you can learn. You two are young. There are a lot of adventures to be had. Take the time to learn and plan. You will avoid many issues by doing that. You are boat owners and sailors now, so you will not be without troubles no matter how hard you plan....lol, but you can minimize them and make your experience fun, educational and, most importantly you’ll be proud of yourselves for doing something not many people have the courage to do. Good luck, be safe and wish you fair winds and following seas. Although, thats not always going to be the case...lol.
A boat especially a liveaboard is the second most expensive item a regular person will purchase. A house and property is more maintenance and expensive especially when you are childless and paying school tax for children that you don't have. People forget to talk about property tax when comparing a liveaboard and a house. I had a house my parents bought in 1966 which was their rental and never had any children live in that house except for one family that had a 3 year old and they moved before the child even started school. So over a half century paying for something that was never used, and btw today that house pays $8,000 a year just in school tax. So when people talk about others being crazy for buying a fixer up boat probably didn't crunch the numbers and the time maintenance involved in a house takes.
Just found your channel and now found you sold an incredibly difficult boat for first time sailors.
The most important think I can say is what ever boat your get make sure it is ok to sail as is even if it’s rough. Learn what you like and don’t like then after 6 months to a year of sailing decide if it’s the boat to spend a couple of years of your life refitting. You won’t regret it
( if it’s not right after a few months sell it and go for something else)
Good luck cheers Warren
8ve lived on my 24ft sail boat for nearly 3 years now and I'd never live in a house again! I want to upgrade to a 35ft soon.
All I would say as the owner of 2 24ft sailing boats is research.
You will make mistakes, that's a given that's what makes you a better sailer. It may be difficult at first but you'll get into the groove whilst learning the do's and don't of being a livaboard.
Its all a long learning curve. Like anything take your time and enjoy the ride. At 56 and 70- 80 000 odd ocean miles under my keel. I ended up living halfway around the world in a foreign country. You just never know where your adventures will lead, I'm still learning and still enjoy it.
Sounds like you got away with it very lightly 💪 fantastic attitude (now) I'm sure there's been plenty of behind the scenes *BEEPS* 😂.
Look forward to the next chapter guys
Thank you so much for mentioning the harbor master as a resource.
3 money pits exist in life. Boats, Houses and cars.. in that order. Rough rule of thumb for estimated maintenance costs on a boat annually is 10% of the original value per year. Going to be a couple grand in bottom paint every couple years. for a couple week haulout you can expect to pay 1000$-3000$ just for the haulout and storage. Be prepared to spend thousands on any boat you get! BOAT- Break Out Another Thousand.
First thing first - NO Broker, worth his salt, would take a boat like that to sell before having a "ghost" survey or the real thing done. Second - NEVER EVER focus on one thing that you want when looking at any boat, house, car or RV... you WILL get screwed every single time, hands down, no question about it, EVERY SINGLE TIME, if the seller sees your reaction to that one item, you should know you WILL get screwed. Third thing - If you know nothing about an item, take someone with who does (that you trust and/or know), they will have a neutral "look" on things and be more apt to look for hidden stuff.
Sorry to hear about the experience, I was really hoping for you. Best success with the next one!
I appreciate your honesty. Looking back, were you actually screwed over, or did you just have unrealistic expectations?
Learn to sail first bye small weekender cheap dooer upper first . This way you learn to sail , maintain. And all the safety aspects of sailing, staying costal at first you will lean tides weather marker bouys and over night stops moorings . Radio and navigation, and maintenance.
Seven months after you purchased the boat, you find you have catastrophic issues, but in this video you don't describe even one of those issues...
Hey guys, so glad to have you back! Sucks you got taken for a ride. Karma always comes around.
We are buying a valiant 40 my wife and I and getting a good survey done is paramount on this deal.
@@philgray3443 aye thanks for the heads up, we do have a blister era boat. But it was stripped and peeled in the early 90's and dealt with. Surveyor was informed of it so kept a weathered eye out and found 3 4" in size. So a couple touch ups but nothing big.
Otherwise a clean boat
You summed it all up with, “...we should have known better....”. If you do not educate yourself before making a significant purchase or life change, then all I can say is: “Yes, it happens to us all at some point!”
Get a survey all the time .
The only time you can go the cheapest route is when you are knowledgeable. Take these lessons in maturity and apply them to your journey in learning to sail. It’ll save your life.
Boats require knowledge and expertise and being able and willing to fix them. Most of all they require MONEY. Cheap is cheap for a reason. As boats get older to be safe and seaworthy require more maintenance. I bought a 11 year old one owner beneteau 44 ft sailing yacht for a reasonable price. I knew the boat since it was new. In 2 years since ibought i replaced starter motor and alternator and lots of electricals and wiring and every pump that was on board and toilets batteries all lights and tv frige micro wave cookers etc etc etc. The boat is in excellent condition now and i can enjoy the boat and not fixing something that had decided to break. Yes cost A$20,000 plus. I have A$5000 of spares stored below for when they are needed. Still need new outboard dinghy jenaker sail more solar panels anchor chain. Probably A$12000 but for the time being its comfortable and not a continued head fuck as most boat owners find because they dont fix things before they break. Other big plus is the yacht is very saleable as its in excellent condition.
"Trust no one."
Fox Mulder
Words of wisdom my friend
"The truth is out there"
Unfortunately sometimes some people can't trust themselves either and this vid is prime example of that.
Dave Grenier including government!
@Fon Hollohan unless you've been eating Mexican, then it's probably the Mexican annoying you.
Get a survey - first. Learn on some one else's boat - be crew on a big boat - you will learn a lot of cool stuff that will help you later on down the road.
They do say there is nothing more expensive than a cheap boat.....there is a lot of truth in that.....look for a boat that is the smallest you are comfortable with. Not the largest you can afford.
"cheapest school fees ever!" is a great way to look at it.
But ya, not just when buying a boat, but all the time you are involved in sailing (especially people who haven't sailed previously), sailors love to talk about what and why they do things they do, and you will learn tons from just sitting down at the marina picnic table with the folks in the marina. Most of it is pure gold (ok some of it is fish stories and wives tales, but most is pure gold).
I love the new boat guys, she’s beautiful. Good luck with your new venture and can’t wait to see more.
Happy sailing ⛵️
Hoi vei well guys just watched this episode and “aag née man” ( oh no man ) lessons learned the hard way will not be forgotten,so remember to remember. The salient point is remember to remember and then emotional pitfalls can be avoided. You have learned a lot since you “sailed” into the world of sailing and my most fervent wish for you both is to realise your goals. Keep looking and sooner or later you will find a boat fit for purpose. Not always what you want but can do the job
The world of boats is a long and complex one, even if you've been around boats for years
So many people getting out for a number of reasons, in saying that, you can buy some magnificent boats at very very discounted prices from motivated sellers (age, health conditions, etc)
First boat I bought was a 1943 Fellows and Stuart 40' wood powerboat. It had no engines. They call them "Dock Queens". Lived on it 6 years. In the water and on the hard. My next boat was a 27' Naval Whaleboat converted to a gaff headed sketch rig. Learned to sail. Never looked back. The last one I cruised 20,000 miles and sold it for 7 times what I bought it for.
Great video!!! I'm really glad I watched this I'm looking at sailboats and I know nothing so great video thank you
Their are boats out their that are next to free and that is because the boat needs more work than it is worth. No boat is free their are, at a minimum slip fees hall- out and storage fees insurance and an inspection/survey fees.
If you don't know , hire a surveyor . Warning , many of them will miss stuff or find problems where there are none . Had my boat surveyed by a friend and he sounded the hull finding that at the through hulls the sound changed and declared there must be water and rot in the core . I pointed out all the through hulls are in solid glass - no rot it is solid and that is why the sound changed , the rest of the hull is foam core .
Others will mistake a kevlar hull (mine) for one with water in it because the conductivity is higher . My buddy did not make that mistake . Anyway , if they find a problem take the time to investigate it , I saw a boat at a yard to be record because the surveyor had declared it wet squashing a sale . She was bone dry and solid when they cut into her to fix a none existent problem.
As to a cement boat , don't buy one , even a good one because you won't be able to sell it , insurance will be hard and some yards won't let you bring it in for fear you will abandon it . Lots of good glass boats around .
So what was wrong with the boat how much did you pay for the boat?
Good on you and don't give up
Hey Guys, Thanks for sharing this very emotional and I'm sure embarrassing story! I am truly humbled by your words and ability to take full ownership of your mistakes! We are planning on buying a boat soon as well and we have learned from you! We had a very similar experience with our RV! (We live full time in our RV while preparing to purchase a sailboat). Our RV dealer sold us an RV with promises that never panned out. The freaking engine blew up the second day we owned it! Anyway, life is learning, keep moving forward. Don't let the muggles get you down! Corey (UA-cam Channel- Salty Escape)
should have had an independent surveyor assess the boat in and out of the water before purchase.
It's not your fault, you're millennials, raised not to think, to be naive, UA-cam is full to overflowing with couples just like you chasing a dream that they have absolutely no idea what is involved in making it happen. I got the bug in my early teens, over 40 years ago now and the first thing I did was read every book on sailing around the world I could lay my hands on, all the classics from Slocum to Robin Lee Graham. Then I went to RYA evening classes to learn navigation, then bought a 14ft dinghy and learned to sail, see what I'm getting at? You don't just buy a boat and sail away! I got work in boatyards to learn how to build them THEN went to boat building college where I learned everything about boats, even cement ones! Thank god you have the sense to realise you made a mistake, are able to admit it and best of all want go smaller, my advice would be to go smaller still, learn the game in lets say a Westerly Centaur or even a Pageant, which you can pick up fully equipped for next to nothing, then when you know how to truly handle a boat go looking for something more 'blue water' around the 30ft mark, who knows you might by then have fallen in love with gaff rig and get a proper boat! But whatever boat you go for ALWAYS, ALWAYS get a survey!
There is a difference between a dream and an obsession. Learn first. Save your money. Never be in a hurry. Recognize that you need to have the same amount of money to spend on the boat that the boat costs (minimum). Anything you want done right will cost ten times what it costs to do it yourself (if you know how). Analyze what you do, admit mistakes, plan to avoid these mistakes, recognizing that you will make other different mistakes.
Apologies folks but, it is more than obvious you can't handle with simple tools. Even if you bye a brand new boat, you should be able to handle these in case you you want to self-repair, or if not you need someone can. Believe me a part of me died watching you trying to cut "A TABLE" ... yes, this boat can be repaired, but not from you. And yes, that's the best designation ever to get rid out of it.
Did the people you sold it on to know what they were getting?
More money than
Brains..🤣
Well done, for realising your dreams weren't going to happen with this boat! And having the common sense to act on it... Just a thought. Small boats get used much more often than big boats.
1st rule is find out the designer, a bad design is no fun, then find out the builder, do they have a good reputation, last look at the interior, as a very famous designer once said " The Fun in Sailing is Proportional to the Speed Sailed", you will not have fun sailing, short overhangs mean longer waterline and faster boat, sale it and get some education
Yes I thought about buying a boat, because the current boat I was living on didn't have an air-conditioner so instead of dropping $20,000 with trade on a newer Hunter 35'. I spent $250. on a used drop in a hatch Criuse Air unit for the V- birth. And after I sold the younger boat after I up graded to an older but better equipped I moved the hatch A/C to the older boat until she fail to keep the water on the outside.
Halfway through. Still waiting to get something out of this video.
Another case of "We have no idea what we're doing, but we binge watched Sailing La Vagabonde one weekend, and thought this would be a swell thing to do !"
now someone can watch this Video and think FAARK that sailing business.
I sailed when I was young, my wife and I are restoring an old 1978 ranger. We paid 2000 for the boat and 1200 for the survey. It’s worth it to get one. In the end the survey told us the old man wasn’t lying and he was really just looking for someone who would put love back into her.
Having a third person completely emotionally detached help look at stuff before buying helps. I learned this house hunting. Keep looking at boats. Look for flaws. You will get better and better at it and learn the market better than a pro. Mistakes where nobody gets hurt are small potatoes
I am so glad the cement boat is gone and you haven't given up. At least you didn't have to bury it. Go slow. You have lots of time to get to where you are going.
Is called a survey
There's a fool born every day.
Can't wait to see what happens next
You should have a survey!
Just stumbled across your channel, good luck on your journey...thanks for sharing! ....Subscribed!
What did I miss here. It was just an older boat that needed tons of work or they were mad the guy got it for free and they paid?
Her nose ring was the most interesting thing about this video.
I have owned boats all my life. Boats are expensive. The saying "A boat is a hole in the ocean into which one pours money" is appropriate.
That said: Some of the best times of my life have been on a boat. My wedding and (I am pretty sure) the conception of my son :P
If you own it for leisure and don't keep up on the maintenance, yes they are expensive.
You MUST ALWAYS GET A SURVEY, before you buy.
Honesty is refreshing
follow your dream, i'm going to buy one shortly a moody 336, see you both out there xx
Surveyor. Surveyor. Surveyor. When you buy a house, you get a top inspector to check it out. Same for boats.
What’s the saying?
There are two days of owning a boat is great?
The day you buy it and the day you sell it?
Sometimes lifes lessons are expensive, but they are worth it
When you are looking at boats and to purchase a boat you need to take 10 to 15% of the initial cost and be prepared to put that in the boat every year for maintenance and repairs it is a good idea to get a boat report on the boat that you are looking to purchase also
What a whirlwind for you all. Thanks for sharing it with us!
That sucks. Lesson Due diligence. Always get survey. Glass for your next one. Hope it works out for you and there are always people you can reach out to for info.
The Nicolson 31 is a solid choice. We met several on our circumnavigation in the 1980s.
whenever you buy a boat get a survey the surveyor works for you and will tell you the condition of boat yes its a cost but its piece of mined we have just built a steel boat we had it surveyd before she went in water insurance request all the best john
Hey guys. Look at sailing zingaro. James has videos on doing your own rigging with dyneema. Books you need......Ashley book of knots by Clifford Ashley. The complete riggers apprentice by Bryon Toss which he has a UA-cam channel. James videos are very good and there is a rigging outfitter I believe called Kraken which is here on west coast of the US who has rigging gear already made.
take ‘em to court!
Buy yourself a 4x4 get your dad to help you to do it up, (he is a passionate legend on all this stuff) and drive around Australia in it, have an adventure of a lifetime.
If wanting or needing to sail on the coast, hire one in different destinations for example, when you get to Great barrier Reef.
Ok, you made the same mistake at least half of us have made. You have two choices. You can let him steal your dreams or you can learn from it and move on. I suggest moving on! Sail with someone else. Crew on another boat. Hire out and work on boats. Watch You Tube. Let trust develop over a bit of time! Gain experience by doing. Gain knowledge by watching someone else! Maybe buy a boat that everything is gone except the hull. Take all the old systems off. Paint and repair the hull. Maker her shine. Then get her moving. Motor. Rigging. Sheets. Now you can day sail short hops. Now maker her safe. Anchor lines depth finder. Now you can sail a bit further. Then make her comfortable. Oh my you have a boat!
So glad you are on a boat and going forward with your dreams.