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Hey Jeremy, I got a used E08OM-TC. Same but sitka and indian for 950. Basically an OOO-28 at 25% of a Martin. Can't be happier...
I accidentally became an Eastman collector over the past year or two. I have two of their electrics, an acoustic, and two (will end up selling 1) mandolins. They're all killers.
Yep, I have a couple of their electrics, a SB59 and a T486. Absolutely stellar guitars. I've played a couple acoustics and they are fantastic as well.
Same here!! I’ve bought 5 this year.
Martin, Gibson and Taylor have been my choice for 20 years.
Have an E40-OM and it is amazing. It has the most reactive top of any guitar I have ever played. It just sings. I alternate between it and my Martin D-35 and both are just so good. Eastman does it right.
I own two that I bought from the Acoustic shoppe, love them
You can play them in stereo 😊
This is my first high-end guitar and cannot find the words to describe how good it is.
I’m happy for you, I really need to add one of these to my living room collection.
Can I suggest you try the violin finish models. They’re lovely to hear from day one and only get better.
I have a E20D-MR-TC that has become my favorite guitar. It's just starting to really open up!
Your video quality is superb!! Crystal clear, my friend. I too am intrigued with Eastman acoustics AND their electric line.
Smell and bridge points are cork sniffing territory, re sale value is definitely a consideration. 👍
sound very bright for me....great guitar BUT I prefere my FURCH VINTAGE 1 OM SR....so far
my E20OM-MR-TC is the best guitar i have ever owned. it's pure inspiration.
The headstock shape looks very Martin. If someone’s playing this guitar and you can’t read the headstock logo by the shape you would think oh that’s a Martin.
gotoh tuners man
I'm not sure that Eastman guitars are as good as the nicer boutique guitars. However, for production class guitars I believe that these guitars are hard to beat. I purchased a store model E20D several years ago before they gained their momentum for $850. Best deal I've ever got on a guitar.
Thanks for another great video! I totally appreciate your perspective and respect your expert opinion. My first Eastman was an AC330E-12. As far as 12 strings go, it’s an absolute steal at around $1200. I was so impressed, I bought an AC630 Jumbo to replace a very disappointing Gibson J100 I once had. The AC630-BD has an Engelmann spruce top, highly figured maple B/S, ebony fretboard and gotoh tuners. Out of the box this guitar is significantly better in every way than the Gibson it replaced save for the fact it doesn’t have electronics. I had a major bias against Chinese-made guitars when compared to the likes of Martin, Taylor, and Gibson acoustics (all of which I currently own and can compare against my Eastmans). Eastman has completely shattered my bias. I’m not sure there is another company anywhere offering Guitars at such a high level for comparatively bargain prices.
I love my Eastman E40-OO Guitar and my Eastman MD515V mandolin, they make mighty fine instruments.
Edit:
1) I don't buy things I want to sell, I buy things I want to own.
2) Eastman are a fraction of the cost of an USA made guitar, they will never be a USA made guitar and their value will most likely never be that of a USA made guitar.
3) For the rest of use who don't have the budget for Martin's and Gibson's (of similar quality) Eastman is fantastic.
Will ye go lassie go! Awesome and a fine guitar to boot. Thanks very much.
That guitar sounds great! The tuners are made by Gotoh.
I think they're pingwell open backs, v similar
@@gregmonk9037 they’re not.
The lower cost models have Ping tuners.
These are Gotohs.
I am still trying to figure whether acoustic players are shallow about optics like polished fretboards and bridges or anal about what othet people think.
Maybe both?
If it doesn't affect tone then it's simply a matter of taste. And taste can really be about limits and boundaries, for better or worse.
It seems sadly acoustic players can be among the most insecure about brands and bling. And this is especially sad in a time when premium tonewoods are being depleted. Somethings must change.
So yay for Eastman, sipo, sapele,walnut and polished ebony.
Players aren't shallow, but guitars collectors are about 1/4 " deep.
I'm really late to the party for this comment but the smell thing is true hahahaha. I have an E8OM and it's incredible but the smell was very noticeable at first. However, I urge you not to worry because it's definitely something coming from the Case. I do not keep my guitar on the case and it stopped being noticebale a few weeks after being home.
Great video! Eastmans rule!!!
They are worth EVERY PENNY..and some! I want an acoustic! I had their 335 style but lm not a hollow body kinda guy, l do have the Solid Body 59 varnish and it is far superior to my LP Standard for many reasons, they are finally getting recognition and the increasing prices reflect that. I bought the SB for $1699.. new.. now? 😆 They are 100% custom shop level for a production price.. l have not played or seen an acoustic in person yet..likely a good thing l don't.. lm still paying off my HD28.. UGGGH.
i have an e40om, from what I could hear it sounds louder and wider/deeper than this one... i've played it a lot and it's matured so well. honestly there's no guitar that is clearly better than this that i've played under 5,000 usd. It sounds maybe not as refined but much more powerful and full that even a martin om-28.
I was recently on the guitar hunt and bought the Eastman e20 OM TC. I was initially very impressed, but after a few days i realised that the lows had too much presence, also I didn't find enough clarity or balance in the sound of the guitar, the lows sounded a bit jumbledto my ear. To compensate the presence of the lows i had to pluck the mids and high strings a little harder, i notice after a while that my fingers were a little sore. Also i discovered what run-out was, the top had very noticeable run-out, initially it didn't bother me, but the lack of balance in the sound and run-out i decided to return it. I'm very happy that i did as I opted for the Furch Vintage 3 OM SR which in my opinion is better suited for what i was looking for, extremely balanced and amazing clarity in the notes, also nice and warm, ah and beautiful woods. So far very happy that i went for the Furch in the end. Probably the eastman is an amazing guitar, but it didn't suit me.
Yea but you had to spend $3k? Not sure thats a great comparison.
Jeremy, I am going to have to disagree with you on the bridge. All of Bourgeois high end guitars have a shiny bridge. Maybe that is where Eastman got the idea years ago? Every high end Bourgeois i have played has a shiny bridge. I own a Bourgeois oms DB signature AT Adirondack 12 fret and it has a shiny bridge. I think you are just use to Martin bridges being satin finished. With that said I am missing your more frequent videos and I hope you and your family are doing well.
I recognize the build quality and overall value, but for some reason, the guitar still does not sound great to my ears. The tone just isn't inspiring and beautiful.
Totally agree on Eastman guitars. I discovered them two years ago and have owned 6 of them. Your E20OM sounds like my E40OM. Basically the same guitar but the E40OM has all the extra abalone bling. It was my first Eastman, a mint condition consignment that I snagged for $1,300. Speaking of shiny bridges, the inside of the E40OM has been clear coated. That may sound weird but my early 1970's Yamaha FG150 Nippon Gakki red label also has an internal clear coat.
SX510 tuners are made by Gotoh.
If you want a real eye opener, pick up an Eastman PCH3 and give it a strum. I just bought a used PCH3-GACE for $400 because I didn't want to play my Eastman double top DT30-GACE out. I've owned a bunch of laminate guitars: Yamahas, Kents, Takamine, S. Yairi, and Breedloves to name a few(actually to name a lot) and have never before heard a laminate that sounds so great. If I had been blindfolded then handed that PCH3 without knowing what it was, I would swear it was all solid wood.
love that you're finally coming around to eastman!
I have a new Eastman and even with the laminated rosewood back it is so much fun to play. I figure its a B guitar and who cares!! $429!!
I'm 75 and when I was just a kid trying to learn to play guitar I lived in a world where Martin and to a slightly lesser extent Gibsons were in another galaxy. Recently a guitar salesman picked up a high end Taylor and played it and then a Martin 28-hd and I was shocked. The Taylor sounded better. There was a consignment Eastman 12 string on the wall. The first Eastman I had finally been able to play. Not only did it look and sound great but the action was so good I could actually play it. Eastman is a serious music making machine. And yet for general playing around the house I pick up one of my two GS-Minis because they sound good and I can reach around them without my shoulder protesting. While the price keeps increasing we have never lived in a world where there were so many excellent choices in size, shape and sound.
LOL, no.
I have been watching your reviews for a while, and would be broke if I didn't have more restraint-- nice version of Wild Mt. Thyme, BTW-- but your go to chords make use of open strings that already have a sparkle, an open tuning sound created by the same notes that ring out on different strings. Don't get me wrong, I love the sound of them. But I wonder if they fairly represent the ring and sustain of the guitar as compared to playing straight up chords, strummed or fingerpicked.
Hello Dean here, great video. I agree with your comments the guitar sounds OK. Great wood combination. Martin have ran out of Madagascar Rosewood so it's become very desirable. I have a Martin 00028 custom shop Madagascar and adaronkack top. £6000. It's Beautiful.
Now the eastman....
Why do they use a gloss spray on the bridge and on some of their other models they spray the fretboard with gloss laqure. Horrible...
When the camera shows the frets and the back of the headstock. It looked ruff fret ends. The top finish on that beautiful adaronkack top looked about an inch thick. Too heavy finish. The back had funny white lines in the finish. Needed more filler paste to cover the wood grain I still think it's got to be worth around £2200. It looks fine from about 6ft away. Eastman could improve a little. Dean 🇬🇧 🙏
How are you recording that ? Mic and mic pre no doubt
Jerry, I absolutely agree with you on the smell!! I thought it was just me!
I’m an old guy who, in the ‘70’s played Guild and Gibson acoustics. But I’m a MARTIN fan, and own a 00 and 000. I also love Breedlove guitars, but I purchased my first Eastman about four years and think they are great for the money. My everyday, sitting on the coach guitar is an inexpensive E2OM with cedar top and sepele all solid wood body. Not the full range of sound but it stays in tune, has withstood various travel conditions, and remains a fun guitar to play. I’ve owned more expensive Eastman guitars and you are correct. They do not resell well. When I changed out of any of them, I took a hit. But I enjoyed playing them and will buy another one . USED!
Thank you. Great video
Hi Jeremy. Was this guitar made in China? That might explain the smell you mention.
The glue smell is from the case. My AC 322 absolutely reeks from its case, even a year after I bought it. Absolutely love it otherwise, but clearly whatever glue they use in their cases is not great.
It's not the glue.
@@Stringbean421 What do you think it is?
i prefer rosewood on dreadnoughts on mahogany on smaller guitars.
I think they gloss stuff a bit more due to travel distance and humidity. They certainly do break in in a relatively short time. Resale? The more that people realize what they are and the quality involved in the build it will go up if the market isn’t flooded. Shows like yours are giving them great exposure. Thx!
1. Those are Gotoh SX510 tuners, very great imo. 2. Eastman acquired Bourgeois. 3. Martin doesn't use Madi Rosewood even on the Authentics anymore. Your looking at spending 3-5 times thr price for something similar speced. 4. The smell is from the case. I have an E20SS and it has the same smell that I can't stand. The latch on my case also broke. I am not a fan of those cases. They look nice though.
I would have liked a little more comment on the tone. How is Madi different from EIR? It sounds a little bright to me, but otherwise pretty good.
I replaced the case on day ONE.
Bought the E20SS recently and love it. Great guitars for the price. If you can score one used the price is even better. My bridge has a satin finish and not a gloss one, but mine is also from 2016 and a different model.
You are just a pleasure to listen to.
Great playing.
Thanks!!
Just how bad is the smell? Would it get better over time? The shiny bridge is an easy fix when the strings are changed with some blue tape and fine steel wool.
I had an Eastman and I didn't like the shiny bridge but I had thought a lot about it recently and I thought...well normally we oil the bridge and then over time the bridge absorbs the oil and we have to add more oil. But if you think about it, when we oil the bridge, that oil albeit a small amount of oil, it probably absorbs the vibrations and dead ends the sound slightly. Whereas if it has a finish on it then you don't have to oil the bridge. And the bridge will remain dry and instill a crisp, clean sound into the soundboard. I think the same logic applies to the fretboard as well. By NOT oiling the fretboard, the strings should stay clean longer. I told myself after selling my Eastman that I used to own that I would never buy another Chinese guitar again. But now I'm considering buying this same guitar, the Eastman E-20 MR TC because I like the idea of owning a guitar with Madagascar Rosewood back and sides.
I’ve had my Eastman AC508CE for 6 years now. My finest quality guitar in my collection for sure
TC its got twin carbs 😂😂 with GT roadwheels 😊
lol. Stevie nicks and DMB biter
If the 20 in 'E20' means adirondack spruce top and madagascan rosewood back and sides, does anyone know what the 10 in 'E10' means?
E10 would be Adirondack and mahogany back and sides.
I’d have to try one. Martin is getting out of hand these days
Wow nice guitar and incredible tone. I would never buy a Chinese guitar at any price cause I don’t want to support their military but nice guitar.
Aw, so sorry. I'm boning a Chinese gal. I'm b7ying Eastman.
Eastman does make nice guitars, especially for the money. Recording King is another awesome guitar too, their all solid wood guitars. The jury is out as far as torrified wood go, for me. I want to see how these torrified woods hold up over the long run.
Nitro finish on these?
One clarification.... Eastman acquired Bourgeois... they are not partners... but Eastman let the ex Bourgeois company to have some autonomy....
Actually you are correct but they partner in the building of the Bourgeois Touchstone series 👍
@@fourocker That's correct too.... all guitar building, except the top, is China made....and they sell it 500 bucks more cause it writes Bourgeois on it 🙂
The way you one-handed that guitar case out of the box in one motion is a trait mostly found in guitar store employees. The rest of us would have done it less ease.
I've done thousands of those and have worked out a strategy. Mostly grabbing the box between your feet.
Except for this isn't a real OM. It has a shorter scale length so it really is a 000.
All makers use OM and 000 to mean the same thing, and that is body size. Martin is the exception, as they put different scales on two variations of 000 bodies. There's no law that says other makers have to use the same scales as Martin.
SX510 tuners are Gotohs, from Japan. The lower end Eastman guitars have Pingwell tuners.
As for 000 vs OM, most of the third-party OM guitars are in fact longer scale than Martin's; 25.5in in the case of Collings and Larrivee and 650mm in the case of Furch. Maybe some American boutique OMs are the same scale length as Martin's, but 25.4in generally means Martin. Maybe you could tell just by playing it but if you ordered it online and you wanted what you understand to be an OM, you might have a shock when you get it open and played it for the first time, especially if you were into open tunings.
I've looked at prices of Eastmans in shops here in the UK and the one in this video is on a par with, say, Japanese or eastern European acoustics in price (they have lower models for much less). Not a quarter of the cost of a Martin; in fact, more like half, which isn't surprising given that it's made with American woods and in a small factory, not an outsourced sweatshop or a CNC factory as with most guitars made in China.
Hi Jeremy, Thanks for the Info. I'm in the market for a hopefully lifetime guitar and I'm after a 00 or 000 style. I know I want rosewood back and sides and a smallish body and nitro. At the moment I'm looking at a 00-28 or L-00 studio rosewood. What would you look at? Also I have slight concerns that martins preshaped triangular x-brace is not as structurally strong as a rectangular x-joint is that something worth even thinking about? Do eastman have triangular x-braces?
What`s about the soul of an instrument? I`dont want a chinese soul🙂
They are good, but I always missing something in these Eastmans.
Go ahead and support the CCP when you buy one of these. If I was going to buy one, I'd buy one used so China wouldn't be getting all the money.
Your personal peeves are ridiculous ! They don't polish their bridges or fretboards, just sanded like most others. They use very tight grained highend quality ebony, that just looks polished. Once again your so called knowledge of guitars is off kilter. One thing you got right is Eastman punches way above its price point...It is not a boutique guitar, but may be just as good as one for thousands less! BTW don't smell guitars play them and it will fade of course>
I bought an Eastman E10 OM TC about 10 months ago.
It is a beautiful guitar as the one you have reviewed, but playability, and intonation sucks.
Edited:
Well, after looking at the neck, realized it had bowed. Tightened up the trussed, and now I am a Happy Camper.
Definitely worth the $$
I got a Dread TC MR and it's on its way back. Wonderful in appearance but the mid range is so overwhelming it just bulldozed the sound. I am an Eastman fan and have an E20 OM which runs a treat on EJ17's. Possibly just the example I had or perhaps the Mady Rosewood effect but on this occasion not for me.
@jeramy Shappard the riff the wheels fall of play the (C#m) shape which is E6 x.4,6,6,0,0,.. then the second fingering with that a in the base
A7+/9, x,0.6.6.0.0,.. then this fingering E6 x,7,6,6,0,0,.. then to finish it off play a Emaj7 x.6,6,4,4,0 or go up to Db11#9 fingering x, 9, 11, 11, 0, 0,
This guitar and a Martin GPC-16-Special Rosewood guitar sell for about the same price new.
Which one would you think will hold a better resale value?
Eastman
Does it matter? Surely the point is to buy a guitar to keep.
@@phoenixsound Not necessarily. Some people get bored, or their tastes change and they trade frequently.
I played an Eastman that i really liked but it wasn't mine. I was just using it to record a certain song.
Most acoustics i just strum a G chord and if it sounds like the first chord in an old Western movie, ill buy it.
That's exactly the voice im looking for.
Sort of early 70's Guild usually does the trick.
I hear that a lot . "It doesn't sound great but it will open up and eventually be a zinger. " I thought the high end was terrible on this box. Sounded like loose pennies bouncing around in a coffee can. I'll never buy one because I like the warmer sound of mahogany, but if I did I'd wait a couple of years till they're down to $500. on Craigslist.
Even on good speakers or buds…it just doesn’t sound pretty. Sounds kinda harsh and empty. It looks killer. Probably plays nice…maybe it’s just the recording.
I had the same response. It lacks warmth.
It because of the Adi top. It’s too bright. I have the E8OM and it’s a Sitka spruce top sounds a lot warmer.
I paid $1950 for this guitar in used but mint condition a '22 model. Great, could not be happier and Lord knows how much cheaper than a Martin.
@jeremysheppard how does it compare to the Eastman made Bourgeois OM? Neck thickness, tone, overall sound? Between the two which would you pick?
The Eastman electrics are legit too. Almost as good a custom shop for less than production price tags of the well-known American high priced company.
I bought an Eastman like he's talking about. I sent it back. It was not balanced right? Seemed on the heavy side, somebody had lowered the action on it. That was not what I was expecting. But now I've got one of the bourgeois TS with the aged Alaskan sitka anf Rosewood Back and sides. As soon as I heal from having new shoulders I will go over this guitar. Change the strings first and go from there. Bourgeois and Eastman are on to something!! I like how they think.
I've fallen in love with an Eastman AC422. It blows anything similar Taylor makes out of the water for twice the price. Such is cheap but trained and good Chinese labor. You have to go to something like a Taylor 814 to find similar quality and sound from a GA type guitar.
12-fret version please
The selection of guitars might be greater, but the prices were way better 20 years ago. I'd trade for fewer manufacturers for better prices any day!
Gotoh tuners are the best tuners in the world ! And probably the biggest tuner company in the world ? I can’t believe he didn’t know that !
Your comments that it looks and smells like its made in China. Well its is and the quality is amazing. So are you telling people to feel ashamed its made in China. Well what you said implies that fact. Every guitar is different maybe you should play a couple to decide what is going on with the Base in it. I noticed right off that it seemed a little tight and I was wondering what was going on. Maybe you should bring it back after some serious play time and see it it opens up or at least report back about that. Otherwise you give good reviews. Thanks!
I have 2 Eastman instruments. Dollar for dollar there is no company that matches them in terms of quality for what you get. Its really impressive. If they had another brand on their headstock, they would sell for way more. One thing to note, is a new Eastman and an older eastman are different beast. The eastman's that were produced in the last couple of years are of a higher calibre than those produced earlier.
It or any of the AC models are going to blow a Taylor out of the water and the pch series are better than the 100 series Taylor's too. Taylor gets the nod for resale value and that's about it (and I like and own or have owned at least 14 Taylor's from Academy to 314.
I remember looking to go out and buy a high end accostic 25 years ago. You really had to dig to find something incredible that didnt break the bank. We are lucky nowadays. You can get an absolute killer guitar for $1000 to $1500
Bought an Eastman E20 OO less than a year ago and had problems with the strings binding in the nut. Grooves were narrow and slanted to the right. I fixed that. Some of the tuners were working way to hard. I fixed that. The case smells like toxic glue, no toxic dump. No fix. Other than that it’s a nice guitar.
Are these Chinese made??
Yes. Beijing.
Interesting-- I didn't know that China had access to Adirondack spruce and other higher-end tonewoods.
Jeremy,
In regards to Eastman V Martin. Do Martin 000 and OM have different bracing styles or are they the same? I understand the scale is different. So in regards to Eastman, I understand they don’t make a 000 but with the shorter scale, would you say it is a direct comparison to a 000 Martin? Or more to an OM?
Streetlights. 😍
Jeremy, measure that neck! My scale came in at 24.8~9 inches: a 000! Keep smiling! Thanks
Adirondack takes a long time to open up , years! I cant believe he didn’t know that.
I’m not as good as you ….love your playing…I’ve been playing since 1968…..Wild Mountain Thyme…love it…going to buy the Eastman .12…..I play a D18 1967…..love your type of music!
A word on the lack of bass on this guitar-- perhaps some of that is simply due to the fact that we're not talking about a dreadnought/ jumbo, but a smaller body size? I only play dreads and jumbos because I like as much bass and power as I can get out of a guitar.
I had a very similar experience. Went to a guitar shop looking for a small body instrument, single-O or something like that. They showed me a little Martin, a little Larivee, and then they pulled out the Eastman. The one I looked at wasn't this fancy. While I liked the guitar a lot I was really hoping to get the Taylor 612ce 12-fret. Still haven't gotten that Taylor. Decided not to waste the time of the people at the guitar shop and just try to get the Taylor. Like the herringbone on this one. Always a nice touch.
Taylor resales are zilch! 😮
Still don't have that Taylor. Jeremy got me interested in a Boucher instead. Great red spruce, great Canadian maple. Still haven't gotten that either. It's hard to get where I live. I may be able to order the one I want through an outfit in North Carolina. Bah! Foiled again.
Daniel G & G music in Canada can sell you the Boucher you want and dhip it to you. They ship world wide.
Thanks, turns out it's too expensive. I could afford that Taylor but not the Boucher.
Why not spend a minute to actually learn what brand the tuners are? They are Gotoh 510 tuners!
Yo J, do you know if they put the finish on the bridge and fretboard on their E10SS?
sounds really good, I want one.
Sat here holed up poorly in bed from a suspected thyroid problem and seeing this makes me want to get my 12 fret Brook Taw back.
Looks so small.
Minor complaints for the cost to quality. I have an Eastman E3D that punches way above it’s weight class.
I have 5 Martin's and 4 Eastman's... I love each of them.
I'll bet you do. How many girl friends do you have ?
This is the stupidest comment I have ever heard posted here.@@maplebones
the smell emanates from the case. i agree-i could not handle it, but, after a couple weeks on a stand/wall hanging in a humidified room, and it goes away .. .
eastman are the best guitars availble on the market for the price mine e1d blows my friends hd28 out of the water the thing is a cannon
Interesting abd very well done, again. Many thanks Jeremy!
I have one and I love it, and paid a lot less than 2200 for it - and no it wasn't hot. The back almost has a purple-plummy brown color to me, and I love THAT too.
Which Eastman would you folk’s recommend for a lefty? Something with a smaller body.
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They have lefties. I can help you through hometown music. Email talktous@hometownmusic.net
The bridge looks great to me, I have 2 eastman acoustic and they are fabulous. I have owned several Martin's and by far prefer eastman. Resale well I play mine so not looking to sell
You should try their new offset guitar. I forget the name looks like a offset Les Paul. Definitely try more Eastman stuff.
Jeremy Sheppard, have you tried Dowina yet?