Viper Nerf is HUGE
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NAHHHH VIPER DONE GOT THE CHAMBER TREATMENT 💀💀
Fr they put her in the grave
Believe me.. she'll still get picked... she is still a decent controller and has atleast some stall with her kit. It's near impossible to nerf her to the ground like a chamber. But yeah based on the map pool there could be changes... like for bind and icebox i think she's still pretty good.
Nope, shes done for @@d4nkdesu
@@d4nkdesu12 seconds is nothing tho
Yeah. As a viper main, they could’ve done a LOT worse
That cypher camera nerf hit harder than the trip nerfs
one more reason to remove breeze
i hope they remove map rotation from comp and just keep it for pros
They need to remove Icebox and Breeze if they are going to murder Viper's viability
I think they are trying to make people come up with new comps, the default comp of viper and cypher was just so good that teams didn't experiment much. Maybe a dualist change but that's about it
@@borgie2253 We do not care about Professional comps. Do it only for them. You do not get to see that many double controllers in Ranked anyways. They just do not care and ruin any agents they want any time they want. Take abilities away and let's play CSGO.
haha that wouldn’t help, she’s good on every map besides asc and sun
Fut comps will become even more crazy now
I think they need to add a time before the spycam makes noise, like if cypher can see you for 2 seconds it should then alert the enemy instead of it being instant so there is still some counterplay but it rewards good spycam placement/usage
great idea dude. plus the cam makes the noise when you repeatedly open it so you gotta get a good timing.
@@MuzMysyq exactly
I think it's effectively just going to 'blink', so if you're in it for longer than a second it makes the shutter sound again anyway, same as popping in and out of it would.
How about we remove all agents such that good gunplay gets rewarded more
They've definitely changed the wrong parts about viper, because her whole orb moving mechanic is really important to scale up as a team
Plus if you fuck up the smoke you've just fucking fumbled your whole kit
what would you suggest they change instead? In my opinion getting a whole smoke you can pick up, and switch on and off almost whenever you like is madness
@@ceoflippers I honestly want them to heavy nerf if not outright kill the decay you get running through it because you get a huge disadvantage when running through it and you have to take a gunfight, and almost all the controllers get to place their smokes on the fly if you conserve your util right, so having to hit the other site after you preplace everything is downright impossible (in the context of solo controller)
@@moleycule3177that's how it was back at launch and Viper was the worst agent back then, you can even watch the very old tier lists. Kill her decay, people don't respect viper util, Viper pickrate is dead. I don't see how that's gonna change, her wall is also quite thin so without the decay, it's very easy to disrespect.
"If you fuck up her smoke, you've fumbled your whole kit", welcome to playing ANY other controller.
@@Fofo-sr2xuyeah but they didn’t fuck up any other controllers smoke, just vipers
SEN already knew this and that's why they didn't qualify for playoffs, Kaplan's foresight the goat, another absolute cinemad.
Hahahaha That was genuinely funny, thanks for that.
Absolutely, tenz probably told them after all he is the goat the best player of all time ,he just wanaa focus on champions sen city tenz my humble king
yea sen wanted to win the real thing, sen champs lets goo
The copium is ridiculous. Hats off for the faith, though, I guess
@@cloudberryjam its sarcasm
Indirectly a buff for PRX since they rarely pick up viper and suffer because of that
they played viper quiet often in Madrid, Ascent, Lotus, Sunset, Breeze even split sometimes
I made little mistake, from October 1 they had viper, Sunset: 7/10, Lotus 0, Breeze and Icebox 100%, Ascent 5/7, Split 100%, Bind 0, so they used it most of the times on every map except Lotus and Bind
I think the icebox and split because it's default because not only them almost half of the the teams use i and ow their ascent comp changes like they can see the future 😂😂t@@sigma7249
@@sigma7249 Ya viper is kind of necessary on those 2 maps and on breeze and icebox shes a must. So saying prx avoids viper is actually true on ascent they cooked tho
@@nishantborah7137 on Sunset as well, most teams play omen only with cypher
That camera change for cypher is terrible. They refuse to just let that agent be good. Viper nerfs were definitely nessecary but still feels bad.
I just like the permanent smoke and 1 molly but I don't appreciate increasing fuel usage. Man every molly in the game should be change to 1 charges. including KJ.
i agree that the cam change is a bit over the top, they should've just kept it at the tripwire changes.
and for viper i would like to see them revert the incoming snakebite change, cuz those were fine, and just finetune the fuel, because for viper it also feels a bit over the top, and breeze and icebox will probs go to a double smoker meta, seeing as 12 sec smoke is way to low to get the bomb down
@@gragalakaisel1477making the smoke permanent was a good change but being able to redeploy it was fun and i will miss doing that
@@tekstego9654 snakebites made her feel as strong as a sentinel when it came to stalling
I wouldn’t mind all these Viper nerfs if it weren’t for not being able to pick up orb. That’s too much imo.
Bro they don't know how to nerf. They either buff or kill. Viper would have been nerfed well with one or two of these. All of these together make he almost unplayable
Yup and they can piss off with their 12 second smoke time for Viper's poison
its gonna be like jett where everyone pretends for a month that shes unplayable then shell still have a 30 percent pick rate or whatever itll be fine
@@beckettschuchts4275 no. because Jetts nerfs take out the cheese but keep a lot of skill involved. This just gutts the character. If you want to compare it to jett, imagine if Jett knives have a timer and dont last the whole round. That is what this feels like. Its just not good changes. one less ability, but its also made more expensive, a smoker who cant smoke and you cant pick up q if they dont push your site or if you accidentally misthrow, or want to pick it up a few times to play around it..
one or two small nerfs would be fine but all of this together just kills her.
@@bluefiremarkii the core concept of what makes viper good is still there, theres just not the complete dominance of every category like before. her wall is still really good and it still decays and the smoke is still the best single smoke in the game when places. and the molly gives you 6.5 seconds of spike stall. all of the core aspects of what made viper versatile and good are still there. they didnt change anything fundemental.
@@bluefiremarkii also if you accidentaly miss any of the smokes for any of the smokers you lose the smoke. if someone doesnt push omens site hes screwed for most of the round. its like when they nerfed the jett dash and everyone thought it was gonna kill her but it just made her less op. the character stayed the same. also the jett knives arent even that important to her kitt, what youre describing is like if they got rid of the dash completely.
Playing breeze is going to be horrible with these changes lol. I feel like nobody in ranked will want to play smokes and it’s just going to be a deathmatch
harbour meta incoming?!?!?
Clove gaming xd
@nickwatic clove doesnt have. Nearly enough range
@@nickwatic fellow clove player in breeze
Breeze should just get removed to be honest lmao. You need 2 Sentinels and Harbor or like Viper+Omen/Astra+Cypher because Viper isn't remotely the anchoring beast she used to be. And who the fuck knows who the second sentinel will be, maybe Chamber and we see a full transition from Jett to Yoru in the duelist role. This also just means we're stuck with solo initiator, which is Sova. Ranked on Breeze is going to be miserable with always having a Reyna + another duelist
as someone who cares more about pro play than comp this nerf is too much for ranked. I mean you cant even play lineups on viper anymore. I get viper needed a big nerf but dont feel like her mollies were too op
nah the mollies are crazy, they vulnerable player, do damage, you can throw them cross map pretty much and you get two of them. super op good nerf
Ye i blame crashies for that one. Man was using lineups to break cypher trips from across the map
On god, imagine not being able to encounter an enemy viper.
@@MuttonErase i haven't watched much pro play lately but wow never knew viper mollies broke cypher trips
@@MuttonErasecrashies?
I main Viper and play a lot of double controller with my duo so this is rough but for the viewing experience, probably the best change they could have made. I do hope that if this kills Viper in SoloQ (which I suspect it will, outside of Icebox/Breeze since people seem allergic to picking up Harbor), we'll at least get to see some more non-pro play focused changes to Viper post-champs.
my take away from this is that poison cloud is called Miasma Cloud in Chinese and thats just so sick
yeah i had the same thought of a double sentinel meta once i saw the nerfs.
I don’t play Viper, but her nerfs will definitely make the next tournament an absolute fustercluck. If teams can’t figure out their comps in time for Stage 2 we’ll be in the dark ages of pro team comps. I can see it being both hilarious and painful to watch.
Also, Cypher nerfs 😔 he did nothing wrong
Good thing prx mainly uses harbour and brim and omen, or at least are proficient with them so can easily replace viper where needed
the viper nerfs are really good for pro play but that agent is ACTUALLT dead for ranked lol
I would love it if they do the changes for shanghai.. It will show which team is the best at adapting quickly.
I wonder if the cypher cam thing works for oneway cams like a heaven split, or if it is like the sova dart where your head is the player model and if it dienst see your head but your legs it still doesnt scan
I love how some of the things have different terminology in this Chinese version like the names of agent and ability names.
i wonder if the cam will have that effect with the feet cameras, bc the player isnt fully in LOS
They will reveal the new map at masters Shanghai (it's in the end card of the YT Video that valorant just uploaded)
Prx who don't even use viper and cypher anyway are laughing
exactlyyyyyy other than lotus I think they play cypher
Jason plays cypher on lotus
Aaron plays viper on sunset?
They use viper on sunset, split, breeze and icebox what r u smoking
This sentiment is weird.
They try to stray away from Viper, I agree. But they definitely one of the teams that used Viper the most (especially last year). Before they changed their Ascent comp, they were one of the only teams that used Viper on Ascent.
I'm pretty certain that they have a new Split comp for Stage 1, but we haven't seen them playing Split after Madrid.
If there is one thing for certain, PRX clearly avoid using double duelist comp from now.
Both d4v41 and mindfreak play viper very well
I also wouldn't be surprised if forsaken wants it either
I really hope they play this patch at Shanghai. Would make the tournament SO exciting, every team has to reinvent themselves or stick to their guns. It would also make it so these teams going to Shanghai don’t get screwed for qualifying to the tournament
At this point just delete viper what is this bullshit
You mention the timing is shit for the patch changes; my question is, is there even a good time for changes like these? (Besides the obvious of after Champs). Viper has been the most picked hero of all time for this past few months, and I think patching that sooner rather than later is a good thing, hoping the game and meta will settle in a better place by Champs is a decent hope. (Also hoping this is the last major balance change until after Champs is over; doing one right before it would be horrific)
Honestly it's the best timing. You can't just wait like 7 months of the season to make big changes, 32/44 of franchise teams get a whole month to workshop, and Shanghai is the less impactful long term then split 2, so Shanghai teams can afford to be more experimental during the event.
That def beats the game being static a whole season
that cypher cam change makes zero sense
Nah! Valkyrae is going to be livid if she finds out that viper is nerfed that bad
Nerfing viper where there's icebox and breeze Idfk why they think it's a good idea but they should let viper stay low unless they will remove those two
even if paper rex make shanghai these nerfs probably aren't gonna hurt their split 2 as they don't rely on viper nearly as much as any other team
The thing with Viper for me is that I think they just made her way more static than she already is right now and I belive that I dont like that. In double controller comps Viper mostly is there to path the way onto site and then the main controller does their thing. But aside from Icebox or Breeze Viper isnt really playable as a single controller that can do it all. And on those two maps its because of their special design on sites. Imo every controller should be flexible enough to be useful as a single controller on every map to certain extend. So my idea for a rework would actually rather focus on the repositioning of the abilities (e.g. taking back the orb like a cypher cam (the wall still should be static though)) and limit/nerf the activation rates of the orb and the wall. With what I have in mind Viper would become a bit more similar in her playstyle to the other controllers, but I dont know if riot even wants that or rather keep her in that type of static controller/sentinal hybrid state.
The snake bite nerf is very good though
The snakebite nerf makes no sense to me. They already nerfed it so it does way less damage, and it’s not nearly as much of a risk as any other molly. Like this is the only molly you can confidently walk through or stand in for a considerable time. I mean just look at brims molly, who’s also a controller. You ain’t touching that shit cause you will most certainly die.
I also hate the now static part about her. Controllers are supposed to be able to support the rest of the team by smoking, that’s their role. If you make all of her util static, then she can’t remove anywhere if say you try to go to a site but you get shut down so you have to rotate. Like now she’s virtually impossible to play well, especially not as a solo controller. Which is fucking stupid, because you should only need a single controller, especially with the changing meta.
I kinda see your point with the snake bite nerf, but I think its mainly for nerfing her post plant(?). I thought that maybe you could slightly increase its size, but in general Im quite fine with it and would just watch how it plays out
NOOOOO both of my mains getting nerfed
> Named “Spy Camera”
> Can’t Spy with it
This would have probably been a less of a shocker for teams that had/have a junior team or maybe like EG in 2023 iirc they had like 2 squads to work stuff out throughout the year
nah its gonna be VERY interesting to see what teams are gonna do now, the viper setup on bind A-short is so common what are teams gonna do about that now, that entire playstyle around that setup might just be gone now
You can do that with harbor
@@mutandaeffiong2685 yeah kinda, but not nearly as well. Being able to put down the orb while the wall is still up to clear U-hall is very good, cant do that with harbor
the cam change is weird but i’m here for everything else! switch up the meta
I wonder how it's going to go for LOUD that usually plays Viper on every single map, if the changes end up being that impactful they might have to change a lot about their playstyle.
nothing will happen. viper will still be played
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I don't mind that Cypher change, but yeah Viper aren't having a good time.
As a Viper main this came totally surprising after the last (and already painful) nerf of the last patch.
I don't know what to think about it yet but for the attacker side most of my post plant lineups are pointless now because for one molly that is only active for only one second longer it means that it will be difficult to get back in time when the enemies defuse after the effect ist over. Also on the defender side it was always a good way to slow down enemy pushes or make them very costly.
For me this is the most painful change.
In low elo the short uptime of your smokes will be disastrous because random players in these lobby tend to camp in main for the first half of the smoke before pushing so once they arrive on site the smoke effect will be gone.
And the orb can't be picked up anymore? This is really the cherry on the top. So unnecessary! As if picking it up again was so overpowered in the first place.
Riot really tries to kill a S tier agent here that has shaped the meta for a very long time.
Astra stocks up
Astra/omen might get a lot more common for a double controller comp
Harbour my boy cuz the line smoke is still better than sphere smoke
@@premzone9436problem is people pretty much only ran harbour with viper
@@premzone9436 harbor still sucks on defense though, and doesn’t fill the same niche that astra/viper do
Honestly the viper smoke has been busted for a while, being able to be picked up multiple times is so strong I think it’s a good nerf. But the molly nerf to 1 charge is INSANITY, with the duration nerf it’s practically impossible to hold a push for more than 4-5 seconds😂
just fell to my knees
Riot should have done the cypher nerf to deadlock trap so that whenever player pass through it then deadlock should hear it then it becomes buff
Regarding timing, it looks a bit like a consolation prize for teams not qualifying :D
One snake bite is crazy.
i think viper and jett are the two agents who have been the most consistently changed (whether it be buffs or nerfs). Its wild
Bro they gotta stop touching the agents and work on their fucking maps. Holy. I feel like all the agents were in a pretty good spot. What’s not in a good spot is these horrendous maps and the map pool 💀
Naaaaaaaahh riot did viper very dirtyy
didnt know the viper molly was so strong that they HAD to take away her molly
nah like clove wasn't broken enough they nerfing my fav controller even more
Time to play Harbor on Icebox and Breeze
does harbor become used more now?
most likely in conjunction with Viper on Icebox and Breeze
We going back to double duelist. I know it
Solo omen double duelist comps
I'd say double initiator
@@aronviranyi458we’re kinda already on that. People are going no duelist and double initiator.
@@cloudyskyz2237 that stuff only works on Icebox right now. Maybe a couple very weird examples on Sunset.
neon town is split chinese name u r right
This nerf hurts LOUD a lot ngl
Also as a Viper player this makes me very sad but hey if it spices up the game why not
not being able to pick up again is such a dumb change -.-
PEACE OUT VIPER
viper is now harbour with one snake bite.
Yep.. this is Clove time to shine
All these nerfs make sense EXCEPT for the cypher camera 1. I don’t see why players who lack awareness shouldn’t be punished for not looking for and destroying a well placed cypher cam. It makes it much less valuable than where it was before
Tf why nerfing viper when in solo ranked no one picks her below dimond do like pach notes for ranked and for cordinated play so like after dimond 3 characters have diffrent pach notes
Shanghai about to get interesting
Unskilled gameplay on viper s lineuos got nerfed,couldnt be better than this
Might have slightly overcooked the viper nerfs - mainly with it being mid season, the molly change is a big one as well as the smoke obviously. I'd say solo viper on breeze/icebox is pretty much dead for the teams that still run it. GenG really just got out in front of these nerfs, huh.
Im getting horrible flashbacks from the Chamber nerf… it’s happening again..
loud will be most racked they use viper most out of any team
Clove is more viable with Omen/Astra/Brim as Main smoker. But single controller is only viable with omen and astra at this point
The changes werent bad with the exception of the cam and orb stuff. They feel unnecessary
Maybe Harbor will replace Viper in some maps from now on
As a Viper main who always plays Harbor on Lotus (he is the better choice on this map because he can easily block 4 angles with his main ability) I highly doubt that.
For me it seems like maps like pearl (for Fade) or Lotus (For Harbor) or Sunset (For Clove) were designed for the strengths of these agents while on other maps they simply don't really fit in.
Harbor meta incoming
Man. The Viper x Chamber ship is now canon.
FPX with their astra omen comps:
Mmmmm Rito showing they very much dislike the controller/sentinel classes still.
Yes that's Split
GUYS
what's neon town ??
split
split
The snakebite nerf makes no sense to me. They already nerfed it so it does way less damage, and it’s not nearly as much of a risk as any other molly. Like this is the only molly you can confidently walk through or stand in for a considerable time. I mean just look at brims molly, who’s also a controller. You ain’t touching that shit cause you will most certainly die.
I also hate the now static part about her. Controllers are supposed to be able to support the rest of the team by smoking, that’s their role. If you make all of her util static, then she can’t move anything if say you try to go to a site but you get shut down so you have to rotate. Like now she’s virtually impossible to play well, especially not as a solo controller. Which is fucking stupid, because you should only need a single controller, especially with the changing meta.
literally every smoker can move their smokes now. Brim is the closest exception but he has 3 charges. without picking up orb or wall, she's now useless if you rotate.
If she defends A and you go B, she only has ONE ability she can use to retake. thats insanely dumb for a controller. Omen can paranoia, tp, smoke. Brim can molly, smoke, stim beacon. Clove can heal herself, and decay them.. ETC.
or if viper is attacking, she sets up on one site, and cant anymore when you rotate. Oh, want to take an ult point and use your smoke orb as cover? well too bad you can't pick it up anymore. like wtf, i loved used q and picking it back up for temporary cover. It wasn't anything broken, it was fun and created a lot of skill expression. Now viper is useless.
i miss Viper already
dude im a cypher,viper, sova main all my mains r getting racked except for cypher but dude viper cmon
I wont even play this act because of the viper changes, i'll wait for them to fix this mistake. Viper cant be played as a solo controller anymore.
harbor is the game after this
Damn as a viper main im quitting a game
I am about to stop playing viper 😭
I just play for fun, but now its fucked
i agree with the nerfs on viper altough the fuel nerf imo a bit over the top, purely because she has no competition, and the chyper nerfs a bit over the top imo, u wouldnt change the cam. besides i would like to see riot implement the nerf/ buff strategy of: if an op character has to much pickrate in comparison to their competion, either nerf the op character a bit and buff the competion, think omen vs astra, or just buff the competion so both agents remain fun to play, but they arent op in comparison to every other character regardless of role. and if an op character has no competion, just nerf the character, or introduce a character that actually competes with the op character, so as an example if astra didnt exist and omen had a way to high pickrate you either introduce astra as direct competion to omen, or you nerf omen. but dont think like oh harbor has line smokes and viper has line smokes so they will compete, this is a false statment, because they fulfill very different roles in a team comp
1 Molly? Wtf
Man, i know viper needed a nerf cuz she was too strong but it just sucks so much that with these nerfs shes now even less viable as a solo controller so you basically cant play her in ranked unless its icebox or breeze.
As a Viper main,this is depressing, 1 molly, 1 smoke and 1 wall, imagin rotating you cant pick up wall or the smoke, (lets jsut say you have not used the molly yet), and you get plant down you only have 1 molly so you cant clear angles and just have to play time (with no other util basically have to have better aim then the other players ), and defending side of viper should be stronger which since she is a controller but is not, put your wall down, orb down , and molly beacuse the other team is hard pushing but they end up rotating, now viper has no more util, its worse for maps like bind where you can just tp from one site to another.
This is like the chamber nerf but atleast with chamber you could TP from hard situations (Chamber has movement), but viper does not have this movement and is a smoke based agent, also she is worse then chamber now because atleast chamber has a sheriff and a op using his util. Sad to say but VIPER IS NOW USELESS. Other viper mains will know how hard that was to say as we put so much effort in mastering her unique kit but now its pointless, all the lineups, the 1 ways and timing is all gone, theres nothing left to do 😭.
NAHH NOT MY VIPER 😭😭😭
Me watching pro play:
Im gonna love it!!
Me playing in ranked:
I absolutely hate this change and please GET RID OF BREEEEEEEEEZE!!!
4:07 nah thats fucked atleast make it as long as brim molly or increase dmg wtf
SEN HAS A CHANCE NOW BOYYYYYYS!!!!!!!!
It's funny how quick Sliggy knew that "Neon Town“ is Split
How did he know?
@@mutandaeffiong2685 They had taken Split out earlier for bug fixes I think so he probably just remembered that it would be put back in.
@@mutandaeffiong2685 Split was disabled due to a glitch abuse. So it is the only possibility.
finally
Viper has been nerfed to the ground multiple times over the past few years before finally addressing the actual issue. Of course her smoke time got reduced again... it's literally nothing compared to what it used to be
80 percent pickrate agent that was nerfed to the ground
UA-cam what is up today we are gonna