Student fights AI cheating allegations for using Grammarly | NewsNation Prime
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- Опубліковано 2 бер 2024
- Marley Stevens, a junior at the University of North Georgia, utilized the popular writing plug-in Grammarly while working on a paper for her criminal justice class. Grammarly, which boasts 30 million users, catches spelling errors, typos, and grammar issues. However, upon submitting her work, Stevens was surprised to receive a zero from her professor. It turns out Grammarly employs generative AI, and a detection service flagged it as "unintentionally cheating."
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If Grammarly was, as they report, explicitly authorized at the time she did her paper, then it's case closed... she's innocent. She used the grammar checker that the university itself recommended. She should have her probation lifted, her record cleared, her paper re-graded, the professor/university officials who punished her reprimanded, and she be given a public apology.
@KrusadeMinistries - Absolutely true.
Woah Woah what else you want, world peace? Don't be sneaky. Just bc it's called grammarly doesn't mean that it doesn't have an AI *STYLE* correction feature, that rewrites many sentences for the user. saying she just used a "grammar" checker is misleading
Agreed, if true. Context is important.
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The school should remove Grammarly on their website then if its rewriting many sentences for the user.
@@user-gi4hy3lq4n Even if that's what Grammarly does (I don't know; I've never used it) that's beside the point. If the university authorized and even promoted its use, then there's no excuse for penalizing her. The bottom line is, she only did what the university encouraged her to do. If it's not an acceptable resource to use, then it's their fault for saying it was.
I use grammerly for school. That is scary that happened because most universities provided students with that service.
I wonder if the students could get together and file a class action lawsuit against the Universities.
It will flag a normal written paper to. I proved this to a professor by using a paper I wrote 15 years ago. It flagged it as written by AI.
The irony of this story...
The teacher likely used an AI detection tool that is operated using AI 😂
It’s exactly what’s happened. Everyone duped by AI.
@@glee_again2594 😆😆😆
Your comment doesn't make sense. It like saying teacher likely used calculator to see whether gave right math answers.
Meanwhile Claudinne Gae the proven plagiarist & Harvd's Pres got defended for a month her color card.
Meanwhile Claudinne Gae a proven plagiarist & Harvd's Pres got defended for a month her color card.
I am dealing with the same problem and i find that offensive from the administration not doing anything to fix it
Don’t even get me started on administration
"We're promoting grammarly, but we fucked up and had to delete the evidence...." The gall of the university to promote it, and still put her on academic probation is downright wrong. The professor could have took her, brought her inside and go over the paper. The fact that the universities justification for not appealing it is that she wasn't suspended? Wasn't kicked out of the program? Are you kidding me?
Before Grammarly flags a student's submittal as having had AI assistance, it should inform the student that that will be the case. Looks like Grammarly did the student a disservice, Jenny.
It’s not Grammerly doing the flagging. It’s a plagiarism detection software that schools use called Turn It In, which students don’t have access to. They’re 2different/separate products. If Turn It In is flagging things unfairly, the school should allow the students to appeal/contest the suspension and defend their work. Point is, the school is being unreasonable.
@tinah142 Thank you for clarifying this for me.
Also not sure if Turnitin has changed since I used to teach however the student side when they submit in most configurations does not show them the AI index.
the professor relies on AI, which is turnitin, to tell the professor whether her essay is written by her. this is lazy grading. @@martys9972
How did they find out that she had used Gramarly? Dies it leave some code in the paper? I don't understand.
They have programs that detect if the paper was written by a bot. The school should also remove Grammarly from their website if they don't want students to use it.
@@russellmania5349 But it only fixed the spelling and grammar so that doesn't make any sense. How would it get flagged for anything when she wrote the paper and simply turned it in with proper spelling and grammar, they would just read it and not even notice any errors in spelling or grammar as if she had corrected them herself prior to turning it in. I'm very confused. So it did have some kind of code embedded in it that showed she used grammarly to do something to it? She must've turned it in online and not a piece of paper then.
I tried grammarly once. The paid service has STYLE correction too (not just grammar) . I wonder if she used that and that's why is flagged as AI generated.
She said that she downloaded Grammarly for free from her university's website.
@@juliahelland6488 I downloaded it for free too, but the first days is a trial of the premium including a style correction. Did she use it? One can also opt-in afterwards for the paid version at any time. That said, To her favor, the university's website shouldn't have included the word " style" in the recommendations, as the app takes the liberty of Re-writing many sentences when you use the correct style feature. It seems like nobody else used it in the class. My take is that she should be out of probation with a warning, the guideline should be updated, and she could have been more straightforward in this interview by saying that she didn't just use grammar correction as used in WORD, but she used the style correction.
the trial version includes the style correction by default for some days and the user can opt in for the feature at anytime afterwards. That said, the university's guidelines shouldn't have included the word STYLE, as the app style correction rewrites as many of the user's sentences as it deems necessary. Nobody else used STYLE correction in her class, though. To be consistent the guideline should be updated. She should be out of probation with a warning. Also she should have been more straightforward and transparent in this interview (I USED THE STYLE CORRECTION FEATURE). Most of the comments assume that she just corrected punctuation.
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How about the school just remove Grammarly from their website and find another service that doesn't have the style correction feature.
Grammarly has a generative AI feature…you don’t have to use this feature
It would be a good idea to properly investigate whether the professor has given zero marks on similarly spurious grounds in the past.
It is more likely that a faculty member at a college is making false accusations against a student as part of an harassment action against that student than that Grammarly usage would sustainably show up as plagiarism
The professor literally relies on AI to tell him whether how to grade. He's lazy.
Turnitin has a message to the professor that says the AI detection is not 100 percent accurate, and that you should investigate each case on its own merits, something to this effect. I have had students submit work and there was no doubt in my mind it was theirs. That being said Turnitin flagged it. Talked to the students and they used Grammarly to check their work and make suggestions. This is a bigger conversation that academia is having right now across the board. I do think for the interview to be non-biased I would have liked to have seen a representative from Turnitin be represented. I do feel bad for this young lady, it is simple take her work from her freshman year and run it through Grammarly and see if it gets flagged. Best wishes to you and your family this has to be tough.
In defense of the resources I have taken complete dissertations and run them through Grammarly made the suggested changes then went back to Turnitin and nothing in 160 pages or so was flagged. Not sure now that Grammarly is using AI if this would impact the outcome.
How can any one would say grammarly is using to make student copied from the work. If the words are not spoken due to the grammar mistake, that doesn't mean the work would be caught plagarisim from AI. The university professor should not only rely on AI as being 100% accurate, they should just dig through to investigate what is used for. AI detection is creating a false impression and ruining student privacy.
I dont understand why its so hard for adults in power to say: "Our Mistake, We punished you incorrectly. We apologize and we will fix this." So many of the wrong people are in the wrong positions. When hiring people for leadership there should be a humbleness assessment
Grammarly checks also for plagiarism
Every AI detection tool has a false positive error rate. Given the volume of papers produced in a university, even a small detection error rate can lead to a significant number of papers being incorrectly flagged. Consequently, various American universities have stopped using AI writing detectors due to concerns over mistakenly accusing students. Additionally, the method of detecting and proving AI-generated writing raises questions. Plagiarism from a text can be proven by presenting the original text that was copied, but proving that a text was generated by AI in a meaningful way poses a challenge. Simply claiming that it contains certain "patterns" (which patterns, exactly?) that are also found in AI-generated text may not be good enough.
Math, science, history, everything’s on Siri
There is a signature the students have to say the student will not use AI
She used a service that was provided by the school.
It is on the schools website.
This is why I don't use Grammarly for papers. Scary.
Why would you use ai for college?
its extremely helpful i can attest to it
Uhmmnn.. times are changing? 🤨😅 the digital age is growing
@@scotthearts9634 it’s college, not a quick corporate email response. 🫶
Why would you use computers for college? Hard to believe, but this was debated when I started college in the mid/late 80s and professors wanted students to still use typewriters. Can’t fight tech and progress, especially in a college environment. It’s scary how ill-prepared kids are to enter the real world after spending a small fortune paying for college.
It's happening to me right now
Whats the go fund me for, lawyer fees to sue the school so they let her back in?
Maybe to sue and force the school to remove Grammarly from their website, so other students don't make the same mistake and fail because of it.
Don't use ai
Don’t use your mom
The school should delist Grammarly from their website.
Ok boomer
Looks like the AI detection tool has some bugs in it.
I'm so glad I don't subscribe to the AI bullshit
I bet that if we ran the professor's papers and dissertations through the same AI-detecting software that he used (which probably also uses AI), it would flag his research papers.
Yup. Mine would be flagged. I use Grammarly and reference management systems. That's the thing that bothers me about educators, the same rules don't apply to them. I think it breaches trust and I find if trust and safety are not established with students, they struggle to learn and I struggle to teach.
I’m hearing more and more about AI even celebrities are complaining.
They're complaining for a different reason
Ai advertising papers
What's AI you don't know if it's real or not
Microsoft word also checks your grammar. ... ?
Grammerly is better then Grammarly.
Chicken Or the Egg ?
I'm an award-winning author, but I'd *never* use Grammarly nor any other special software to alter, tweak, "correct", or otherwise change my work. Granted, NO ONE cares, lol! 😂🤣😂
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Did the college provide locked down "writing rooms" where students are patted down on entry to make sure they don't use any artificial writing performance enhancers? How else could they effectively police it?
I thought grammarly helps with grammar.. so what’s the problem? It’s equivalent to getting assistance from a writing workshop
There is a radar and then there's a radar detector, and then there is a detector to detect that radar detector, and then there is a detector to detect that detector to detect that radar detector. Oh boy, this ain't going nowhere. I wonder if the browser was 'managed' by the college. But regardless if grammarly was in the approved list, she did not do anything wrong, IMO.
Jesus Christ! It’s called spellcheck and grammar checks!
It's so funny anglophones here are preaching to her and don't even realise this skill they are demanding is not only extremelly rare (like 0.01% of Academic Post-Graduates) but its own ocupation.
Absolutely clownish take to think only 0.01% of college grads can proofread..
@@robertperez273 On a professional level, yes. 0.01%. Upper CEFR C2. Less than 25% of PhDs reach Upper C1 ou Lower C2.
A paper can get flagged for many reasons not just because of AI. AI has been around since the 80s it seems like every 10 to 15 years it has gotten more advanced and it's crazy, Especially when schools say to use Grammarly and then the computer software they put it through is using AI bots I remember I was writing a paper in college and everything was 100% original before I turn it in, I put it through a plagiarism checker and it showed me 50% or more was plagiarize which it wasn't true. I understand Grammarly can be used to re-write papers it wasn't designed with that in mind it's just over the years people have used the software to their advantage. Unfortunately, a lot of these comments are correct AI is here to stay what I think Grammarly should do is to remove the feature that allows you to re-write papers and I think that should help look at Microsoft Office, Apple pages, and all the other software that is out there sure, they all have their share of complaints but students are not getting in trouble over them. You might be thinking why should we listen to this guy he doesn't know what he's talking about but I am an IT technician I'm going to school for cyber security and I'm working on my certifications and A+, Cloud+, Linux+, Network+, Server+, and Security+ I also have been in this tech industry for 12 years
This is simple to fix. The University should present the student with the original texts from which the "plagiarized" works were derived and ask that the evidence be refuted. The reporters should do better investigative work.
There's no way to know if something was written by AI. It's words. A human could put together the same set of words as an AI tool can, I don't understand how there's any possible way to tell the difference.
Unless the A.I. can mimic your writing style then yes it should be easy to tell. If you're writing at a 6th grade level and all the sudden you turn in a paper that is written like a novel by a professional writer then it would be easy to tell. With that being said the school should delist Grammarly from their website if they don't want students to use it.
Jenny should sue her school for defamation and lost time.
i mean... why not just read ur essay? i doubt this girls paper was more than a few pages
This is so ridiculously unfair and absolutely not ok.
I hate the news reporter she is toxic
they should add a rule: no grammarly, or other computer influence.
(use a dictionary or encyclopedia). do some work for once.
computers will be gone one day-- there was a time where we just had pen, pencil, paper, typewriter, white-out, erasers, and dictionaries.
(and stop with the "but, its technology"-- technology is becoming a disability to youngsters..)
I don't think that's true. Computers and AI are only going to proliferate. I wonder if people in the early 1900s said that about cars, most of us aren't using a horse and buggy to get around. I agree that younger kids should not be using screens at school but that's only because we still don't know what long hours of screen exposure does to young brains. But for college kids, we'd be disadvantaging them in tomorrow's job market if we didn't teach them how to use computers and AI. I have colleagues who don't want to engage with technology that can make their work and our collaborative process so much easier. That's frustrating to me.
how about the amish?
long ago, people walked all the time, to travel.
cars are a tool, a luxury- we are not born with it.
same idea, computers weren't around until the 1990's. (cell phones), you gen Z-ers have all you want, at your fingertips, at a moments notice.
one thing, you better be grateful for what you do have. @@queenfrog1224
I agree she wasn't cheating, however, shouldn't a college student know how to use correct grammar and punctuation without the help of A.I.?
Unless you're an editor, no. Can you tell me the difference between hyphens, en dashes, and em dashes, when you would use a semi colon, what an oxford comma is, what words are closed up, hyphenated, or open spaced? These are not skills most people learn in college unless you're a journalism or English major. You'd also be surprised to know how bad a lot of authors are with spelling and punctuation, and it's literally the reason a manuscript will have three different freelance editors assigned to their manuscript in a publishing house.
@@STaRSPRiNKLe_oX those are all learned in English classes by middle school in the U.S.
Thank YOU!!! Like, c'mon people, WTF?!?! @@MethSloth
It wasn't flagged bc perfect punctuation. She probably let it rewrite the sentence as style correction. She's being deliberately vague about it
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Why does the school even have Grammarly on their website in the first place if it has a style correction feature.
Wework
So spell checking shouldn't exist?
It has a style correction feature. I think she used that
Grammarly just rewords what you write. Grammarly is not cheating.
It doesn't even reword anything, it just gives you suggestions if you want to change a word. Also if she was using the free version, the amount of assistance she would even have is limited. It doesn't give you many suggestions to revise , if at all, it only underlines potential problems and gives fixes for easy things like commas, etc. This is the most bogus case of AI cheating I've ever heard in my entire life, especially since that tool is listed on the university website. This teacher is a first class, power hungry moron.
Professor should'nt use to evaluate students period
Regarding her paper, i really cannot say much but her makeup aka her blush if it really is blush and not just natural rosy cheeks, it is an epic fail. Less is more and blend blend blend
This is ridiculous. I am a college professor and the trauma and inequities we perpetuate in universities are unacceptable. Let's teach students how to use AI responsibly. I've embraced AI in the classroom. My students love it and I see much deeper introspective work than before. I am not opposed to teaching students to improve thei grammar and writing skills, but if AI can help with that, then great. I'm more interested in the content and their understanding and use of the content (I'm not an English teacher). BTW, I'm a published author, and I use all kinds of technology and AI for my work. My colleagues who refuse to use technology are struggling.
What some students don't understand is that WRITING IS COGNITION. If you cannot write well, then you have impaired cognition. *Turn off your auto-correct, and stay away from AI.* Take pride in YOUR writing----even when you have to struggle with it. That's how you learn.
Cognitive Functions is not the same as Cognition. And language deficits appart from vocabulary are separate from cognitive deficits both in diagnostic and clinical tools.
15% of the world has a language deficit.
The level of skill you are demanding from her is achieved by less than 0.01% of the Post-Graduate population.
The level of skill you are demanding is beyond advanced, is above CEFR C2. What you are demanding is a skill most people who have MAs in Writting and Linguistics don't have.
Most anglophone universities demand a B2 Level for natural and exact sciences, and C1 for medicine or humanities. An A* Level in English is C1, and A Level is Upper B2.
Are you kidding? If so then we need to band being able to use Spelling and Grammar check on emails and all computer programs. Anyone who uses spell check should be sited for plagiarism in school and in the workforce. Let's go back to dictionaries in book format to use to make sure our computer document spelling and punctuation is correct like they did 70 years ago.
@@LNVACVAC LNV, Thanks for your perspective. The process of writing is intimately tied to cognitive-logical development in a post-modern urban-industrial society. However, If you are going to migrate to the Amazon rain forest and become a subsistence hunter, then other cognitive-perceptual abilities will be more important.
@@bboucharde Bro, you don't have a single clue about what you are talking about.
You are demanding an OECD Literacy Level 5 for a course which demands a level 3 for Bsc and 4 for PhD candidates.
Law school and you need a grammar checker
I mean, if you can’t even do your own grammar, checking on your own essays, how good are you gonna be to detail within your profession?
Lazy lazy and not only that she’s not even passionate now can you imagine when she’s in the profession.
This is the problem with the new generation they want to take the easy way out for everything, and in the long run they never had a strong foundation to begin with.
Your foundation is everything and if you can’t even do your own grammar checking in law school, I think there’s a problem with the system.
This is lazy and this is already showing red flags to the profession. I would not hire this young lady.
This is why there is no quality anymore and everything is just about quantity.
she’s not in law school. this was for a criminal justice class that wasn’t even a class that she needed for her major.
She’s lying ..
If you don’t check your grammar with grammerly you really aren’t doing your job
The school provided Grammarly on their website.
Her only legitimate point is that the school's website specifically encourages students to use it, assuming the context she is claiming is true.
Regardless, it's obviously wrong to to have another entity editing your paper without any additional input of work on your part.
School's have tudors and people who will help you recognize where your grammar and punctuation are lacking, but they don't rewrite the wrong parts and fix them for you.
That should be the standard here..
Many people suffer with language deficits. It's insane to demand each student to run for a tuttor to correct each chore.
@@LNVACVAC welcome to college.. where apparently it's insanity to require competence.
What a ridiculously childish take.
@@robertperez273 Language deficits are not a matter of competence. But are neurological impairments. 15% of the global population suffer some form of language deficit.
Most people commit mistakes. Native english speakers even have lower grades than foreigners on international certification tests. The average native english speaker whith higher education achieves levels CEFR B2, while foreigners achieve C1 on writting.
You are insane if you think natural and exact science minded individuals will have even the training necessary to do a proofreader's job. Almost no academic article is published without being submited to a paid proofreader.
@LNVACVAC There's an extremely long history of people overcoming these "neurological impairments" to complete more than satisfactory work.
If you cannot, then you're not cut out for higher education.
Just because you have low expectations doesn't mean they're incapable of learning proper skills for advanced communication.
That is cheating. Learn proper punctuation and spelling correctly. Duh. Lazy
So spell check on your computer is cheating? Bc that's been around 40 years. Guess we need to fail the entire world for the last 40 years.
Youre the one to talk...
@@dkg_gdk Also, it’s “you’re“. Duhhhhhhhh.
I don't agree your commment.
That is cheating. Because you'd have been marked down for not knowing proper grammar and punctuation
Facts u should know your grammar
It is, but people seem to think it's okay these days. The program itself is crap (I tried it once and it was horrible, it didn't even use proper English). IMO it's in the realm of plagiarism; you're supposed to write in YOUR OWN WORDS; not someone else's or an AI's.
Even Microsoft Word can check that for you. Would you call using that cheating, too?
@@gatorrade1680we were literally just thinking the same thing
@@gatorrade1680 yes
Don't use ai
Then you better disconnect from the world.
Don’t use your computer lol
I agree ☝️