Oh no! The current grill is one of the best things about the IS. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! What Lexus really ought to do is increase the width of the car so there's more horizontal leg room in the front foot wells, replace the stupid track pad with a dial, provide wireless Apple Car Play, install a heads up display, and for the love god, give it a better transmission.
Why do you guys want to have a spaceship for an interior? Not every car needs to have a metric shitload of unnecessary BS with a screen or a bunch of extra buttons you'll never use
@@nothellhaven who says we need a spaceship. The steering wheel in the IS is ancient and bulky. Look at the new Lexus steering wheels in the NX, RX, and TX. They actually look good and up to par with the Germans. A cleaner interior design would be nice as well. Everything just looks so old in the IS. You actually feel like you are sitting in a 10 year old Lexus. The new Lexus interiors in their SUVs are way better. If I'm paying over $65,000 for a IS500, I don't want the interior to feel old the day I buy it. If I keep the car for 7-8 years, I'd be driving around in almost a 20 year old interior. I'm sorry but I'm not paying over $65k for that.
@@Toyota4Lifewhy are you defending Lexus ?? Why pay luxury level prices on a car so outdated and has basic interior form like 2015-2017 era Even most normal non luxury cars in 2024 feel more modern and premium compared to the Lexus IS
There's nothing wrong witha slight update to interiors, the is interior haven't change, mazda for example still made there interiors nice and modern, easy access to buttons like traction control and sports mode, not like others that you have to swipe and click trough 5 pages
Hopefully they’re upgrading those things as well. That’s the main issue with the ones out right now. If they update the infotainment center it would fix a lot of people’s complaints
lbx has worst modern interior trends implemented. why bother with user expirience if you can slap on cheap tablet in the middle. horrednous haptic feedback touch buttons on the steering wheel, no, just no.
I just hope they redesign the interior and keep the V8 of the IS500. I would be happy with just that! Updating the transmission would also be a nice addition, but probably unlikely.
Replacing the turbo with a hybrid makes sense. Making the same power with drastically better fuel economy would be extremely desirable and new for this class. I just hope they dont discontinue the 2gr WITHOUT having a replacement ready. I could easily see lexus putting in a rwd version of the i force max powertrain for increased is350 power. Im really shocked if they keep the v8.
@@u2oasisI’d been wishing for an IS500h with the 354hp multistage hybrid setup from the LS/LC500h forever. You’ll get better performance and MPG compared to the IS350.
Other markets have a hybrid IS. Just not the V6 hybrid, which is what the GS got. The question is would it fit in the IS, as the V6 hybrid was only in the larger cars.
@@AndreiGonzalesDesign that’s a good question! What I do know, however, is that the A25 is, in my opinion, a very unpleasant sounding engine and shouldn’t really have a place anywhere in the Lexus lineup. So, adding it to the IS would be doing it a huge disservice to how good the car looks.
Great update, thank you so much. The current Lexus IS is sooo beautiful I really really hope they dont mess up the look. I'll wait to judge till I see the new front but its a thin line they're treading.
If there's anything Lexus nailed with the current IS, it's the gorgeous exterior styling. Such a massive improvement over the pre-refresh model. If only it had an interior update that resembled the ones in the ES, LS, and LC.
What I would like to see is the 350HP hybrid that's in the LC500h move into the IS, as its main engine That would make sense, offering class leading power, and economy
@@swron_rulesIt's not 20 years old. It's on the New N platform first released in January 2012 for Lexus models only, shared only with the RC and discontinued GS. These changes are a bit too belated and poorly reasoned out. Unfortunately it's not even newer TNGA either. Existing IS EV plans were jettisoned probably in 2023 in favor of this additional update instead. IS EV was originally supposed to arrive by 2025. WTF is happening is my question? You can't just keep refreshing a model endlessly, with no notable changes.
Worried that this is yet another refresh of a generation that's nearly a decade and a half old by 2026. The segment may be shrinking, even moreso with the imminent demise of the Genesis G70, but Lexus has to do more to ensure competitiveness with the BMW 3 Series and Mercedes-Benz C-Class.
@@naveenthemachine Yeah right, the Koreans will definitely takeover the world with their endless recalls, poor anti-theft systems, faulty transmissions, and exploding engines 😂 Consider a career in comedy, automotive Nostradamus 🤣
@@naveenthemachine Yeah right. The Koreans will definitely take over the automotive industry with their endless recall, faulty anti-theft systems, problematic transmissions, and exploding engines 😂 Consider a career in comedy, automotive Nostradamus 🤣
I'm glad I'm not the only one here who isn't a fan of this render, the front looks perfect as it is for a few more years. And like everyone else is saying they should focus mainly on the interior and software instead. I guess we shall wait and see the final outcome
A new refresh would be exciting. However I would love to see an all new redesigned IS. Lexus did the same with the LS460 for many years just refresh after refresh. That can cause them to lose market share. I believe that’s why the LS 500 isn’t doing well. Either way I’m excited to see what they come up with just hope they update that interior.
This is a new refresh... A redesign or a new generation is what's needed. Whether TNGA-L or an all new RWD basis. This is getting ridiculous indeed and your point is very well stated, in citing the XF40 III LS.
Well said , I love the older LS460 !! The current IS design is timeless, why mess with it🤦🏾♂️ ?If they go down this path , I am moving over to the Germans !
Why would they need a 4 series competitor when they have the RC they just need to up the power my favorite route would be an rc350 making 350 crank hp and an updated 8 speed that can shift quicker also cars need more torque
@@camverticalco You're not paying attention to the comment... Like the A5 Sportback, the 4 Series Gran Coupe is an alternative 3-Series with 4 horizontally opening doors, unlike the 2-door RC. That's exactly what Lexus should have done with the 2020 GS, if it was such a burden to produce. Akio Toyoda called bluff and canceled the GS out of spite.
@@ramgtjax Yes, it's called the New N platform, which has been in production since December 2011 (GS) and since April 2013 for the 3rd generation IS. Only the RC coupe shares this platform. Everything else at Lexus is TNGA now, which is why they get an engine family called Dynamic Force, which includes the 2.5 L A25A I4 engine, the 3 cylinder turbo G16E, the new turbocharged 2.4L T24A, and 3.4L V35A. I don't think any of the engines in the IS are dynamic force for that reason, but I have seen a prototype with the V35A 3.4 L turbo engine. It fits for sure.
Kirk, like you said in other videos, this is an Dinosaur and needs a full make over, not just changing emblems and front bumpers.....I do love my little reptile though, see ya on down the road in my 22' IS500! Thanks again Kirk🚗
@@gurjeetkumar2598He's thinking about it from a business perspective. Toyota is not developing a new naturally aspirated V6 and gradually phasing out the non hybrid GR engines.
The big news here though is the continuation of the V8. That is incredible news. Now let's hope they fix that old and slow transmission. I've never been that excited about the Lexus IS V6 engines. Relatively underpowered and if you're going to go more of a base trim, a turbo 4 really makes more sense.
I think the IS could only receive new powertrains if it's finally given an all-new platform. Current model couldn't even be fitted with the 8-speed in AWD trim due to packaging constraints.
@@paulbugoni2846 They'd probably have to change the transmission tunnel and retest the car for crash testing, noise, fuel economy and emissions so that probably won't happen
I hope they give it the v6 multistage hybrid system found in the LC500h and LS. That would make it almost as fast as the v8 and fuel efficient as an i4. Even better is if they put dynamic force technology in their NA v6 but that will not happen.
Such a shame that the only true performance F offering since the death of the GSF is the IS500 FSP. Everything else was just a dilution of the F badge.
@@naveenthemachineYou’re just commenting unnecessary negativity on every reply? “They can’t compete” the ISF for its time had the first ever 8 spd, one of the fastest-shifting autos in its time, and RCF literally wins gt3 races?
That LBX has a really good powertrain, even though it's only a 1.5 liter inline 3, with 134hp, the engine response is really good. My brother test drove it with 4 adults in the car and 0 to 30mph was pretty good, the response from a standstill was good. Wish they brought that to the USA.
@jeanlucbergman479 I used to think like you. But in the country we are in you just can't even reach 50kph with all the traffic in the city. Most city roads have a speed limit of 80kph max. That car is actually a good size for the city he is in. By the way the 0 to 100kph on that car is 9.2sec.
Glad I found this video. I heard there was a refresh. I was hoping some changes to the interior. The front end is already nice. I dont like that bar thing. It looks like a Toyota. I may just go ahead and buy a 24 IS500. I bet if they drop the 350 the 500 will see a price increase.
Lexus engines normally have a slight power increase than toyotas even though they're the same motor. The 2025 camry hybrid makes 232 hp. The crown makes 236. A new lexus with the same motor my guess will be anywhere between 240 to 255 hp. And instant torque. Not bad! Some people have driven a hybrid once years ago and think thats how they all feel. The've gotten quicker and feel torquey now.
Kirk, after watching this video it made me decide to bite the bullet! You made me do it! I love the current grill design, so damn aggressive, so LEXUS!!! I have always loved the IS250/350/500. Last week, Friday, I drove to Lexus of Tampa Bay. I found a IS350 F-Sport that I loved. Of course, I didn't tell the salesman that. Test drive, arrived at a fair trade-in value and OTD price, it was mine! I am very pleased with the car. I know it's not as fast as an M2, but it's not slow either. I've owned a TRD Camry with that 3.5 V6 and loved its power and reliability as well, but damn my new car looks and drives and handles so incredibly well. Break-in period is a bitch, but worth delaying gratification for long-term reliability and performance gain. I don't want that newly Toyota derived 4-cylinder engine. Thankyou Kirk for sharing and helping me to decide to buy the 2024 model instead of the refreshed version.
Hear me out about the RX. As someone who has been the biggest RX fan since 2004, it took me quite sometime to start liking this redesign. I like it, but I hope when Lexus gives this thing a facelift, They’ll make some changes to the front end (nose). Fix those tough sensitive buttons on the steering wheel, add that new gauge cluster, give it the UX/LC steering wheel, make PALOMINO F-sport seats, bring back CIRCUIT RED Fsport seats. bring back regular fuel across all engines (87 octane), give more colour options across luxury/FSPORT MODELS. and make the f-sport 350H. Those are a few changes I want to see and maybe a few more to enhance that styling and comfort. I'm still the biggest Lexus fan!
Haha, these vehicles and any midlife changes are designed before we even know about them. It's only waiting at this point, so it's past tense really. We can only hope anything designed before now looks good when it comes out over the next year.
Maybe when the 2026 model comes out, the prices of preowned 2021-2025 models will go down and I'll be able to trade in my 2018 for a good price. IMO that design is it.
Ehhh. I personally think the IS would have a better chance competing with the M340i if equipped with the V35 and 10AT. But, it would need improvements in shift times, throttle response, turbo lag, and the AWD system in order to go toe to toe with the B58.
I been said they need to slim down the Lexus grill and make it a 2 peice front bumper. But I agree Lexus grill is one of the best looking. Keep the lights the front lights on Lexus are great and keep the Lexus logo on the back
That front end is so much worse… less line flow and the last one is perfect as is! The new one already looks old and looks like something Lincoln or Honda could make with that mustache-like grill bar across the front. Not a fan at all. Edit: they didn’t need to do anything to make it look wider, the front end was perfectly balanced. As someone who studied automotive design, this is a step backwards and it loses identity. If they are trying to make a new front end identity, this is not good execution and they should wait until they redesign the whole car
100% looks like a Honda, not even sure this document is real it looks like they slapped a Lexus badge on a civic and told an AI to make very small changes along with it.. Like you said, already looks great and the problem here is the transmission and the interior.
The lower render is same as top.. no change to hood or lights, it is a render.. but all they did was take the top image and shop the center grill. Both look amazing IMO
I was very surprised they don't sell the hybrid here. This could work if they offered the new hybrid with a refreshed interior and exterior like the Camry. Youd get a significant freaking jump in fuel economy... Which I think is currently it's Achilles heel right now. The design looks good. It just feels like the tech is outdated in the current car
Bump the quality of the interior, maybe don't go crazy on the technology. Personally, the material choices and fit and finish of the vehicle is more important to me than the latest gadgets. I can't stand on some cars the use of cheap materials everywhere. Also, I'd love to see the rwd drive stay and the v6 or v8! I love that torque!
This isn't even allowed to be sold in some countries anymore (Australia) because the platform doesn't meet new side impact safety requirements. Unless they're changing the platform, only a few markets like the US and Japan are getting it.
I love the current styling. What it needs is a new interior. The IS is meant to have the v6 and v8. Fine to have a hybrid option but keep the naturally aspirated v6.
exterior looks timeless. it’s still gonna look modern in 2030 but interior still has that “let’s throw in an ipad as an afterthought” look and hope they don’t change the power train at least until after i get my hands on one :)
Car pundits and people talking about how sedans are doing poorly in general, and the IS is a mediocre seller to begin with because no one wants a small Lexus sedan anymore, therefore they aren't interested in updating the interior A huge REASON why I wouldn't buy this car and many others won't is because they ARE WAITING FOR AN INTERIOR REFRESH Who wants to spend 50 grand on a car with an interior out of 2013? And stop shoving the hybrid down our throats, just update the fucking interior, keep the V6 and there's no reason why this shouldn't be competitive in the segment
So would they be replacing the IS 300 and the IS 350 with this new hybrid system and retaining the V8? Also they shouldn't waste the time with a 3rd refresh unless the interior (at minimum) gets USB-C ports for data and charging, the new interface software, and that new all digital gauge cluster that they were just able to shoehorn into the 2025 UX.
A 350h IS will probably be as fast at least as the V6 300. I have the 300h from 2017 and it's a great car, could do with more power, very quick off the line and good in-gear acceleration, amazing fuel economy and still fun to drive with a great ride. Lexus however made a huge mistake discontinuing the IS300h from the UK market as they sold quite well and you see lots of them around, even the dealerships were scratching their heads why they did it, made no sense, but I've heard it's coming back and this could be it! This new 2.5L multi-stage system is basically the LC500h's engine/transmission downgraded to a 4 cylinder, so should be pretty quick!
the Lexus IS is the only Lexus (and only luxury car on the entire market) I have a soft spot for. Refresh is alright I suppose, but I think I prefer the current one. A 2.5 hybrid should be a decent base-model engine, but I'd love a much more racier hybrid engine option too (or heck PHEV could be really interesting). I won't wish for a manual because I know it's a fool's errand, although I still lust over the earliest Altezza Sport Cross with a manual and 2.0 inline-6. Toyota would widely benefit from a Toyota version of the IS (rear-drive).
Imo, keep the exterior design, and update the interior like new lbx and rx. And maybe some engine update. Really hope they would keep the V6 and V8 variants, but knowing the trend for carmakers today, they probably will downsize the engine and put some turbocharged in it. I don’t mind if they can delivery better power and fuel consumption
Just make it a V8 that can electronically change to v6 our v4 in tandem with a hybrid, based on t he made you select track sport city highway luxury handling range sound etc., best of all worlds. Hybrid Super MAX V8 and use this for trucks as well. And call it a day.
That turbo 4 hybrid better be a damn good turbo 4 considering how heavy the cars are. Very wise move too keep the v8 for the is500 but they could’ve worked in a supercharger or a atlesst a power bump. The 3.5 v6 is thier best engine
Technically the 2021 and up models are a new generation, the 2014-20 is the 3is, 21-current is the 4is so it would be the first refresh on the next generation. As in platform I bet it has the same bones, the interior is basically identical to my 2015 f-sport, just more red on the doors, and a closer touchscreen. The circuit red isn’t as nice as my rioja in my opinion
Can someone tell me in technical terms how the IS does not meet the Australian standard ? Where does it fall short? It is a pity to me that the IS is not available in Australia. And now even the revise model is not going to Aus. How sad.
First impression of the exterior refresh feels like they changed it just for the sake of changing it… visually connecting the headlights with that chrome piece seems unnecessary. The separate headlight housings look far more distinctive. We’ll have to wait and see what the official design looks like.
I dont think we will get another gen of IS considering how many "refreshes" this gen is getting. It really doesn't help that the sedan market share shrunk so much. Makes sense that they going in with hybrids considering Camry and Corolla is all hybrid. Need to buy v8 ASAP cuz they will be gone sooner or later, get it while you can.
Oh no! The current grill is one of the best things about the IS. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! What Lexus really ought to do is increase the width of the car so there's more horizontal leg room in the front foot wells, replace the stupid track pad with a dial, provide wireless Apple Car Play, install a heads up display, and for the love god, give it a better transmission.
Agreed, and some updated ambient lighting
Seriously. The new design looks like it came out 5 years earlier the current IS is one of the most beautiful cars..
@@archergg9226It's just a guess It's not literally the updated car.
Thought I was the only one who felt that way
a black delete might make it look like the current gen just a bit wider
They drastically need to spend money on updating the interior.
Cheaper just to slap a front bodykit…coming up with a new interior requires too much work for people today 😂
I mean it’s not too bad. Pretty classy I would say
P.S I’m a 2019 IS owner
@@anguschan7653the infotainment screen is a fucking dinosaur😂
Why do you guys want to have a spaceship for an interior? Not every car needs to have a metric shitload of unnecessary BS with a screen or a bunch of extra buttons you'll never use
@@nothellhaven who says we need a spaceship. The steering wheel in the IS is ancient and bulky. Look at the new Lexus steering wheels in the NX, RX, and TX. They actually look good and up to par with the Germans. A cleaner interior design would be nice as well. Everything just looks so old in the IS. You actually feel like you are sitting in a 10 year old Lexus. The new Lexus interiors in their SUVs are way better. If I'm paying over $65,000 for a IS500, I don't want the interior to feel old the day I buy it. If I keep the car for 7-8 years, I'd be driving around in almost a 20 year old interior. I'm sorry but I'm not paying over $65k for that.
They need to redesign the interior , still in 2013
Because all you care about it screens now
@@Toyota4Lifewhy are you defending Lexus ?? Why pay luxury level prices on a car so outdated and has basic interior form like 2015-2017 era
Even most normal non luxury cars in 2024 feel more modern and premium compared to the Lexus IS
@@sleepy4544 idk some people such as myself like the older interior design. Not a fan of the current bmw and Mercedes interior spaces for example
There's nothing wrong witha slight update to interiors, the is interior haven't change, mazda for example still made there interiors nice and modern, easy access to buttons like traction control and sports mode, not like others that you have to swipe and click trough 5 pages
Exactly
in regards to the grill...if it aint broke..dont fix it..the refresh it needs is the infotainment; wireless carplay/android auto not the exterior.
Hopefully they’re upgrading those things as well. That’s the main issue with the ones out right now. If they update the infotainment center it would fix a lot of people’s complaints
NGL I was thinking of leasing the IS, now I am no longer leasing, I am buying.
Must be nice to have money!
@@fortheloveofnoise It is, tho working 70 hours a week can get a bit tiresome.
Recently purchased a 2022 is 350 with everything and the exhaust upgrade, absolute beauty!
@@fable-I Yes I am really looking forward to it. Just waiting till end of the summer.
@@fable-Imay I ask what is your our the door price for your is350? Is it awd? F sport handling?
I wish Lexus would put the LBX interior on the IS if anything. I think the exterior is fine for another 5yrs.
100% agree with you here!
@BrianEugeneLee-FJCruiserSo you’re a taller guy I see.😏
@BrianEugeneLee-FJCruiserMy dad has the same problem. Lexus should address these issues.
@BrianEugeneLee-FJCruiserDid the UX have good leg room?
lbx has worst modern interior trends implemented. why bother with user expirience if you can slap on cheap tablet in the middle. horrednous haptic feedback touch buttons on the steering wheel, no, just no.
I don't think the IS can look any better then it currently does. At this point, either kill it off or do a whole redesign and make it bigger
I agree, I think this has been an 11-hour decision made sometime last year when plans to go from IS to BEV were scrapped hastily.
Update the fucking interior
The exterior still looks great and modern.
I just hope they redesign the interior and keep the V8 of the IS500. I would be happy with just that! Updating the transmission would also be a nice addition, but probably unlikely.
Same brother!! Would love to purchase another just waiting for exactly what you pointed out!! Here's hoping🤞🤞
The is500 interior is fine, i don’t want a big iPad in front of me
I dnt see the problem with interior. Doesn’t make a sound inside , built well. Looks good.
@@bigjdm5460 Exactly 💯, unfortunately large screens and overwhelming tech is considered luxury nowadays.
@@bigjdm5460 looks like its from 2012 because it basically is
INTERIOR refresh is the only thing the IS needs
Replacing the turbo with a hybrid makes sense. Making the same power with drastically better fuel economy would be extremely desirable and new for this class.
I just hope they dont discontinue the 2gr WITHOUT having a replacement ready. I could easily see lexus putting in a rwd version of the i force max powertrain for increased is350 power.
Im really shocked if they keep the v8.
I been waiting on a hybrid IS for 10 years. I would get on a list ASAP.
@@u2oasisI’d been wishing for an IS500h with the 354hp multistage hybrid setup from the LS/LC500h forever. You’ll get better performance and MPG compared to the IS350.
@@TheNaveelttil Honestly, that might be what they end up doing if not the hybrid max powertrain
Other markets have a hybrid IS. Just not the V6 hybrid, which is what the GS got. The question is would it fit in the IS, as the V6 hybrid was only in the larger cars.
@@AndreiGonzalesDesign that’s a good question! What I do know, however, is that the A25 is, in my opinion, a very unpleasant sounding engine and shouldn’t really have a place anywhere in the Lexus lineup. So, adding it to the IS would be doing it a huge disservice to how good the car looks.
Great update, thank you so much. The current Lexus IS is sooo beautiful I really really hope they dont mess up the look. I'll wait to judge till I see the new front but its a thin line they're treading.
If there's anything Lexus nailed with the current IS, it's the gorgeous exterior styling. Such a massive improvement over the pre-refresh model. If only it had an interior update that resembled the ones in the ES, LS, and LC.
One of the few Lexus designs that didn’t need to grow on me. Love at first sight.
What I would like to see is the 350HP hybrid that's in the LC500h move into the IS, as its main engine
That would make sense, offering class leading power, and economy
That would certainly be interesting. Make it a 400h in the IS, Lexus.
@@naveenthemachinethe g70 doesn’t even make 400hp. Go away
@@naveenthemachine i’m sorry, where is the 400hp G70? That was the question
@@naveenthemachine so the answer is no. Thanks
@@MikeForsythenaveen got defeated for the first time
At what point does a car get refreshed so much that it becomes a new gen
I think they would need to get it off the almost 20 year old N platform first. Unless this refresh is an new gen with a tnga platform.
Does it really matter honestly as long as it actually changes and evolves
car of Theseus :)
@@swron_rulesIt's not 20 years old. It's on the New N platform first released in January 2012 for Lexus models only, shared only with the RC and discontinued GS.
These changes are a bit too belated and poorly reasoned out. Unfortunately it's not even newer TNGA either.
Existing IS EV plans were jettisoned probably in 2023 in favor of this additional update instead.
IS EV was originally supposed to arrive by 2025. WTF is happening is my question? You can't just keep refreshing a model endlessly, with no notable changes.
Well, there’s the current Camry for starters
Kirk, To me the IS is always ...fresh.😍
Same here, especially with the way cars are going.
They need to do something about the interior and I will be interested.
Worried that this is yet another refresh of a generation that's nearly a decade and a half old by 2026. The segment may be shrinking, even moreso with the imminent demise of the Genesis G70, but Lexus has to do more to ensure competitiveness with the BMW 3 Series and Mercedes-Benz C-Class.
@@naveenthemachine LOOOOOOOOL!!!!! Lexus may be lagging but it most certainly isn't finished 🤣 We definitely won't see Lexus dying in our lifetime 😂
@@naveenthemachine Yeah right, the Koreans will definitely takeover the world with their endless recalls, poor anti-theft systems, faulty transmissions, and exploding engines 😂 Consider a career in comedy, automotive Nostradamus 🤣
@@naveenthemachineyou been saying this for years now
@@naveenthemachine Yeah right. The Koreans will definitely take over the automotive industry with their endless recall, faulty anti-theft systems, problematic transmissions, and exploding engines 😂 Consider a career in comedy, automotive Nostradamus 🤣
At this point its over for people who enjoy cars. the new 3 series also looks like crap along with C class
I'm glad I'm not the only one here who isn't a fan of this render, the front looks perfect as it is for a few more years. And like everyone else is saying they should focus mainly on the interior and software instead. I guess we shall wait and see the final outcome
A new refresh would be exciting. However I would love to see an all new redesigned IS. Lexus did the same with the LS460 for many years just refresh after refresh. That can cause them to lose market share. I believe that’s why the LS 500 isn’t doing well. Either way I’m excited to see what they come up with just hope they update that interior.
This is a new refresh...
A redesign or a new generation is what's needed. Whether TNGA-L or an all new RWD basis.
This is getting ridiculous indeed and your point is very well stated, in citing the XF40 III LS.
Well said , I love the older LS460 !! The current IS design is timeless, why mess with it🤦🏾♂️ ?If they go down this path , I am moving over to the Germans !
LS500 isnt doing so well, because they dropped the V8 for that TTv6 that has all kinds of problems
@@floggyWM1You're just wrong
@@mob4ever He isn't. The Germans left the LS behind over 10 years ago.
I feel like the exterior is fine now they just needed to update the interior
They need to bring back the GS as a Sportback (A5, 4 series) competitor! & the IS need more colors & a SE inline 6! 😅🙏🏽
sportback 👍 will be nice
Why ask for unicorns that are not going to happen?
GS is dead until LS changes course and makes room.
Why would they need a 4 series competitor when they have the RC they just need to up the power my favorite route would be an rc350 making 350 crank hp and an updated 8 speed that can shift quicker also cars need more torque
@@camverticalco You're not paying attention to the comment...
Like the A5 Sportback, the 4 Series Gran Coupe is an alternative 3-Series with 4 horizontally opening doors, unlike the 2-door RC.
That's exactly what Lexus should have done with the 2020 GS, if it was such a burden to produce. Akio Toyoda called bluff and canceled the GS out of spite.
It doesn't seem that unlikely given that the GS was based on the Crown Sedan and the RWD Crown sedan in Asia looks fantastic
Nice, no competitor offers a full hybrid and no competitor offers a V8.
This video is the only reason i followed this channel since 2023. I just love the IS and hope they dont kill it. Thanks for this video.
Toyota should just chuck in the Hybrid MAX powertrain from the Crown into the next IS.
Doesn't work like that. It's not TNGA the IS, so it's not so simple.
@@nwezetx1 ah, true. It is an old platform indeed.
@@ramgtjax Yes, it's called the New N platform, which has been in production since December 2011 (GS) and since April 2013 for the 3rd generation IS. Only the RC coupe shares this platform.
Everything else at Lexus is TNGA now, which is why they get an engine family called Dynamic Force, which includes the 2.5 L A25A I4 engine, the 3 cylinder turbo G16E, the new turbocharged 2.4L T24A, and 3.4L V35A.
I don't think any of the engines in the IS are dynamic force for that reason, but I have seen a prototype with the V35A 3.4 L turbo engine. It fits for sure.
They just need make IS450H same as GS450H with V6.
@@LexusIS300H not happening
I drove 2023 Is350, it was an incredible car
I drive the 2022 IS300 RWD... amazing car and very reliable
Lexus on the back is neither here nor there for me, but the blade on the front is just tacked on looking and doesn't add anything. Looks perfect now.
Kirk, like you said in other videos, this is an Dinosaur and needs a full make over, not just changing emblems and front bumpers.....I do love my little reptile though, see ya on down the road in my 22' IS500! Thanks again Kirk🚗
They should just update the interior / infotainment and then give it the AWD 2.4L Hybrid with 340 HP from the Toyota Crown. I would buy ASAP.
It’s still a 4 cylinder 😂😂 ppl want a v6
@@gurjeetkumar2598He's thinking about it from a business perspective. Toyota is not developing a new naturally aspirated V6 and gradually phasing out the non hybrid GR engines.
Japanese media got to drive the 2.0l turbo with 400hp in the is at yesterday's press event
😲😲😲😲
Whatt!!!
The big news here though is the continuation of the V8. That is incredible news. Now let's hope they fix that old and slow transmission. I've never been that excited about the Lexus IS V6 engines. Relatively underpowered and if you're going to go more of a base trim, a turbo 4 really makes more sense.
Put the lc500 drivetrain in the IS500 already.
I think the IS could only receive new powertrains if it's finally given an all-new platform. Current model couldn't even be fitted with the 8-speed in AWD trim due to packaging constraints.
@@paulbugoni2846 They'd probably have to change the transmission tunnel and retest the car for crash testing, noise, fuel economy and emissions so that probably won't happen
@@paulbugoni2846that power train is too big. The 10 speed is a bulkier transmission vs the 8 speed. An IS500 with a ZF8 would be awesome.
I hope they give it the v6 multistage hybrid system found in the LC500h and LS. That would make it almost as fast as the v8 and fuel efficient as an i4. Even better is if they put dynamic force technology in their NA v6 but that will not happen.
IS 500 will be my next upgrade full spec! It seems the way to go for the immediate future which will keep its essence intact
As an owner of a 2016 IS 300, I desperately want an IS500
Thanks for the update, Kirk! I still can’t believe we still haven’t heard any updates about the “F” division. 😅
Such a shame that the only true performance F offering since the death of the GSF is the IS500 FSP. Everything else was just a dilution of the F badge.
@@naveenthemachineYou’re just commenting unnecessary negativity on every reply? “They can’t compete” the ISF for its time had the first ever 8 spd, one of the fastest-shifting autos in its time, and RCF literally wins gt3 races?
@@colbyowens22 but that was 2008… this is 2024
There are far better transmissions from other brands
@@naveenthemachine Even tho it’s from 2008 it holds up pretty well today. The F cars aren’t a failure.
@@naveenthemachinehey name the V-8 N car hyundai and kia’s and coupes. Thanks
This really makes me want the LBX to come to US even more. IS should get a complete makeover. Especially the interior.
No a total redesign from the wheels up. It's had many makeovers now.
Lbx is magnificent quality, best in B segment.
Ugly same as UX,hard plastic in a back doors ,what happens to Lexus nowadays....
@@LexusIS300H The fit and finish, materials used, superb....same in the Ux....you have no clue, obviously.
@@avdp9095Ye,Ye I drive UX every maintain service,I know this car good.
That LBX has a really good powertrain, even though it's only a 1.5 liter inline 3, with 134hp, the engine response is really good. My brother test drove it with 4 adults in the car and 0 to 30mph was pretty good, the response from a standstill was good. Wish they brought that to the USA.
Is this a real comment?
0 to 100km/h in 10 seconds.
My God what a joke LMFAO
@jeanlucbergman479 I used to think like you. But in the country we are in you just can't even reach 50kph with all the traffic in the city. Most city roads have a speed limit of 80kph max. That car is actually a good size for the city he is in. By the way the 0 to 100kph on that car is 9.2sec.
Glad I found this video. I heard there was a refresh. I was hoping some changes to the interior. The front end is already nice. I dont like that bar thing. It looks like a Toyota. I may just go ahead and buy a 24 IS500. I bet if they drop the 350 the 500 will see a price increase.
lack of hybrid option was the only thing holding me back from getting the current gen IS300. This is great news
Lexus engines normally have a slight power increase than toyotas even though they're the same motor. The 2025 camry hybrid makes 232 hp. The crown makes 236. A new lexus with the same motor my guess will be anywhere between 240 to 255 hp. And instant torque. Not bad! Some people have driven a hybrid once years ago and think thats how they all feel. The've gotten quicker and feel torquey now.
All-wheel drive Camry makes 236.
The new Camry has oomph. It makes the new Lexus a decent prospect if it can power the heavier car
I love the Yellow 💛 & Orange 🧡 and LEXUS print (Rear). Please 🙏 Keep the V-6😮❤. Hybrid (maybe) RWD.😊
Nope. dont like that update. The current one looks so good! If they want to refresh anything, work on the interior!
I'm happy that the lexus IS can catch up with the BMW and Audi A4
@naveenthemachine, bruh, you still here ? watching a video just to shit about toyota/lexus getting lil old now
@@naveenthemachinethat old IS outsells the soon to be discontinued G70 like 4 to one lol
A4 is not the benchmark the C class is, in fact IS is able to outsell A4 3 to 1
Kirk, after watching this video it made me decide to bite the bullet! You made me do it! I love the current grill design, so damn aggressive, so LEXUS!!! I have always loved the IS250/350/500. Last week, Friday, I drove to Lexus of Tampa Bay. I found a IS350 F-Sport that I loved. Of course, I didn't tell the salesman that. Test drive, arrived at a fair trade-in value and OTD price, it was mine! I am very pleased with the car. I know it's not as fast as an M2, but it's not slow either. I've owned a TRD Camry with that 3.5 V6 and loved its power and reliability as well, but damn my new car looks and drives and handles so incredibly well. Break-in period is a bitch, but worth delaying gratification for long-term reliability and performance gain. I don't want that newly Toyota derived 4-cylinder engine. Thankyou Kirk for sharing and helping me to decide to buy the 2024 model instead of the refreshed version.
Lexus needs to focus on its vehicles being distinguishable from its Toyota counterparts. Which the the 21’+ IS does a good job of currently
They should use the LBX taillights on the IS - looks better
good bless lexus for keeping the is500 PLEASE UPDATE THE INTERIOR
Hear me out about the RX. As someone who has been the biggest RX fan since 2004, it took me quite sometime to start liking this redesign. I like it, but I hope when Lexus gives this thing a facelift, They’ll make some changes to the front end (nose). Fix those tough sensitive buttons on the steering wheel, add that new gauge cluster, give it the UX/LC steering wheel, make PALOMINO F-sport seats, bring back CIRCUIT RED Fsport seats. bring back regular fuel across all engines (87 octane), give more colour options across luxury/FSPORT MODELS. and make the f-sport 350H. Those are a few changes I want to see and maybe a few more to enhance that styling and comfort. I'm still the biggest Lexus fan!
Haha, these vehicles and any midlife changes are designed before we even know about them. It's only waiting at this point, so it's past tense really. We can only hope anything designed before now looks good when it comes out over the next year.
Maybe when the 2026 model comes out, the prices of preowned 2021-2025 models will go down and I'll be able to trade in my 2018 for a good price. IMO that design is it.
they should install the 2.4l turbo hybrid + 8 speed of the land cruiser prado and tacoma. That will give M340i a run for its money me think
Ehhh. I personally think the IS would have a better chance competing with the M340i if equipped with the V35 and 10AT. But, it would need improvements in shift times, throttle response, turbo lag, and the AWD system in order to go toe to toe with the B58.
U would need a v6 hybrid to compete with bmw and Mercedes with 370hp
I been said they need to slim down the Lexus grill and make it a 2 peice front bumper. But I agree Lexus grill is one of the best looking. Keep the lights the front lights on Lexus are great and keep the Lexus logo on the back
They need to update the interior and backseat room
That front end is so much worse… less line flow and the last one is perfect as is! The new one already looks old and looks like something Lincoln or Honda could make with that mustache-like grill bar across the front. Not a fan at all.
Edit: they didn’t need to do anything to make it look wider, the front end was perfectly balanced. As someone who studied automotive design, this is a step backwards and it loses identity. If they are trying to make a new front end identity, this is not good execution and they should wait until they redesign the whole car
100% looks like a Honda, not even sure this document is real it looks like they slapped a Lexus badge on a civic and told an AI to make very small changes along with it..
Like you said, already looks great and the problem here is the transmission and the interior.
The lower render is same as top.. no change to hood or lights, it is a render.. but all they did was take the top image and shop the center grill. Both look amazing IMO
I was very surprised they don't sell the hybrid here. This could work if they offered the new hybrid with a refreshed interior and exterior like the Camry. Youd get a significant freaking jump in fuel economy... Which I think is currently it's Achilles heel right now. The design looks good. It just feels like the tech is outdated in the current car
But the hybrid wouldn’t be that good to drive and it would have a CVT. And the performance would still be lackluster vs the competition
Lexus should definitely consider a hybrid IS with similar output as seen in the NX and RX.
@@mark_u so only 240hp…? 😂
And it’ll be very slow and boring to drive with a CVT? Yeah okay 🤣😆
@@naveenthemachine As if Mercedes-Benz and BMW don't offer the C and 3 with engines less than 250 hp 😂
Bump the quality of the interior, maybe don't go crazy on the technology. Personally, the material choices and fit and finish of the vehicle is more important to me than the latest gadgets. I can't stand on some cars the use of cheap materials everywhere. Also, I'd love to see the rwd drive stay and the v6 or v8! I love that torque!
This isn't even allowed to be sold in some countries anymore (Australia) because the platform doesn't meet new side impact safety requirements. Unless they're changing the platform, only a few markets like the US and Japan are getting it.
Even more reasons why Lexus needs an ALL-NEW model. The current IS is so outdated, Lexus couldn't even fit the 8-speed AT in AWD models 🤦🏽♂️
I just want the is500 and I know they will be hard to find used when I can buy one in a year or two. So hoping they make it for another few years
I love the current styling. What it needs is a new interior. The IS is meant to have the v6 and v8. Fine to have a hybrid option but keep the naturally aspirated v6.
the RX looks so good... ...from the back
Pity that schnoz... LBX transplant, stat!
I haven't upgraded my 2014 to a 2024 solely because the interior is EXACTLY the same lol so frustrating
Current update is on point that thing looks like a Camry/Prius
The LS is what needs a major makeover or refresh at best.
A refresh =/= a new generation. LS is in trouble FYI. On ice.
exterior looks timeless. it’s still gonna look modern in 2030
but interior still has that “let’s throw in an ipad as an afterthought” look
and hope they don’t change the power train at least until after i get my hands on one :)
V8 refresh with a modern/intuitive/buttons interior please!!!
Car pundits and people talking about how sedans are doing poorly in general, and the IS is a mediocre seller to begin with because no one wants a small Lexus sedan anymore, therefore they aren't interested in updating the interior
A huge REASON why I wouldn't buy this car and many others won't is because they ARE WAITING FOR AN INTERIOR REFRESH
Who wants to spend 50 grand on a car with an interior out of 2013? And stop shoving the hybrid down our throats, just update the fucking interior, keep the V6 and there's no reason why this shouldn't be competitive in the segment
You can always tell when Naveen is near, when the replies are above average for a comment 😅 👀👀
Naveen Krishnamurthy is a sad boy, both in person and online. Don't ask me how I know...
@@nwezetx1 😅 Feel sorry for you
The old grille looks better imo...and for the written out Lexus on rear..maybe offer option for black lettering instead of chrome
So would they be replacing the IS 300 and the IS 350 with this new hybrid system and retaining the V8? Also they shouldn't waste the time with a 3rd refresh unless the interior (at minimum) gets USB-C ports for data and charging, the new interface software, and that new all digital gauge cluster that they were just able to shoehorn into the 2025 UX.
That orange LC500 looks great, the only color I like better is the new green it offers.
A 350h IS will probably be as fast at least as the V6 300. I have the 300h from 2017 and it's a great car, could do with more power, very quick off the line and good in-gear acceleration, amazing fuel economy and still fun to drive with a great ride. Lexus however made a huge mistake discontinuing the IS300h from the UK market as they sold quite well and you see lots of them around, even the dealerships were scratching their heads why they did it, made no sense, but I've heard it's coming back and this could be it! This new 2.5L multi-stage system is basically the LC500h's engine/transmission downgraded to a 4 cylinder, so should be pretty quick!
It seems the TX shares similar DNA with the LBX.
Yes, very true. Both were designed at the same time in 2020, yet they're sold in opposite markets.
Please give the IS500 the 10 speed from the LC 🙏
The grill in my opinion makes the care, you know it’s a Lexus, I love the spindle grill.
Sweet, my favorite lexus
The current design is beautiful
So does this mean the value of the v6 IS’s would go up 😳 or do you think it wouldn’t change much if discontinued ?
the Lexus IS is the only Lexus (and only luxury car on the entire market) I have a soft spot for. Refresh is alright I suppose, but I think I prefer the current one. A 2.5 hybrid should be a decent base-model engine, but I'd love a much more racier hybrid engine option too (or heck PHEV could be really interesting). I won't wish for a manual because I know it's a fool's errand, although I still lust over the earliest Altezza Sport Cross with a manual and 2.0 inline-6.
Toyota would widely benefit from a Toyota version of the IS (rear-drive).
Bring Nori Green Pearl to the IS…
unless im wrong of the 21 and up is is a 4th gen not 3rd correct?
Imo, keep the exterior design, and update the interior like new lbx and rx. And maybe some engine update. Really hope they would keep the V6 and V8 variants, but knowing the trend for carmakers today, they probably will downsize the engine and put some turbocharged in it. I don’t mind if they can delivery better power and fuel consumption
Just make it a V8 that can electronically change to v6 our v4 in tandem with a hybrid, based on t he made you select track sport city highway luxury handling range sound etc., best of all worlds.
Hybrid Super MAX V8 and use this for trucks as well.
And call it a day.
That turbo 4 hybrid better be a damn good turbo 4 considering how heavy the cars are. Very wise move too keep the v8 for the is500 but they could’ve worked in a supercharger or a atlesst a power bump. The 3.5 v6 is thier best engine
LBX-Morizo could’ve give John Cooper-Clubman a run for its money
I think the IS design is pretty good,lexus just need update the interior and the powertrain 300hp for $65k come on Lexus.
The current design is beautiful hopefully they don’t change it too much just update the interior
Technically the 2021 and up models are a new generation, the 2014-20 is the 3is, 21-current is the 4is so it would be the first refresh on the next generation. As in platform I bet it has the same bones, the interior is basically identical to my 2015 f-sport, just more red on the doors, and a closer touchscreen. The circuit red isn’t as nice as my rioja in my opinion
Can someone tell me in technical terms how the IS does not meet the Australian standard ? Where does it fall short? It is a pity to me that the IS is not available in Australia. And now even the revise model is not going to Aus. How sad.
First impression of the exterior refresh feels like they changed it just for the sake of changing it… visually connecting the headlights with that chrome piece seems unnecessary. The separate headlight housings look far more distinctive.
We’ll have to wait and see what the official design looks like.
IS gannnnnng🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉💯💯💪
Nah that looks way worse. The current IS is perfect just needs better interior but it's not a problem for me.
They need a IS-F with a twin turbo V6 and lightweight body. Upgrade that old transmission too at least to be equal to the LC500.
I dont think we will get another gen of IS considering how many "refreshes" this gen is getting. It really doesn't help that the sedan market share shrunk so much. Makes sense that they going in with hybrids considering Camry and Corolla is all hybrid. Need to buy v8 ASAP cuz they will be gone sooner or later, get it while you can.
Great video Kirk!
Any new updates on this IS?
The 2.5 turbo is probably from the RX500h, so I guess the power will be same i.e. 360 hp, similar to a V6
Not even mentioned...
One option I didn't hear: Put the rav4 prime power train into the IS. That could be a winning combo.
It's not as simple as that. One vehicle is on a TNGA platform and larger, while the IS is much smaller and on an older platform.
I almost purchased a is500...I will definitely wait now lol
They’re going to kill the V8. I wouldn’t wait past 2025
@@clays1507do you know if the 25 will get an updated interior?
@@coppinques7863 highly doubt it. Think it’s the last year
can someone explain it to me why so many good engines are getting canceled? what's up with that 4 cylinder hybrid fever?
Front bumper best looks at is500.