The advantage of the CA state tournament is that there’s only 1. The other top wrestling states breaks their State tournaments into like 2-7 different tournaments so the talent pool in a single tournament is diluted. Ca has the most wrestlers just because it has the most population by far. The average CA wrestler isn’t a stand out in the rest of the county like an average PA wrestler might be but the people placing in state make up the highest percentile amongst their peers.
You just made my explaining those points unnecessary LOL... for man years, since wrestling back east, to the military moving me around the country, to becoming a coach in California through much of the 90's... I noticed California had huge amounts of very good wrestlers. The sheer culture of wrestling in PA. is fascinating, being that they aren't a low pollution at all, but compared to some other states they aren't that full of choices. They just love wrestling and I noticed whenever I crossed the border to wrestle down there I was happy to take a third place in open tournaments when I was a kid. In California, they had a lot of everything. Beginners that were ridiculously hoping to home run moves to solve everything (headlock headlock headlock LOL...), pretty good guys that are very flashy and dazzling, but once on bottom fold and get worked... then this whole other level of guys good enough for college before they're even out of high school. They had it all, everywhere you turn. Then I looked up the population back then (1990's) and they had eleven million more people than the next most populous state, New York at the time. And New York's population was mostly NYC and Long Island. The Island has a lot of solid guys (Vito, etc...), and upstate where it's desolate between small cities and little towns, produces occasional monsters-- like Dake or Yianni. However it's a while before we see one again. Cali and PA. crank them out left and right LOL. Ohio and other states have hot spots of course, but again... the average kid from Pennsylvania gave me lots of work to do just to get past them.
167 lbs boys turn into men. I wrestled 185 in HS, my Dad wouldn't let me cut weight because my older brothers did it the wrong way. I lost to to the state champ 5-2. I wrestled 167 in college, Michigan UP, Lake Superior State, because the coach kicked are butts we averaged 30 miles a week. But that was a lifetime ago, 40 years. Love the sport. My 2 cents.
So your telling me IOWA has any bracket as hard as this one? Im guessing CA has 5 guys who would take home the Iowa 150lb title. Not saying its not better 106-285 but for a single weight class thats almost impossiable to beat
Miguel used to come into my gas station in Bakersfield all the time! He is a good kid and he has his head on straight. We used to talk about the ufc fights after every weekend they were on! Wish him nothing but the best of luck
I remember when i was in high school st eds was number one and walsh Jesuit was number 2. Not in the state but in the nation. The dual match was insane. Dam near 8 thousand people showed up to see it
@@mattcary8075no it’s not a different weight and Brock mantanona took 3rd at the u17 world championships this summer it’s because Miguel Estrada is a “3” time state champ Brock should be number one because he beat parco who beat Miguel at fargo
Because he wrestled more national wrestling tournaments, and won, other guy stayed out of those tournaments and mostly wrestled in freestyle tournaments that don’t count based on national rankings like super 32, Vegas invitational, so on and so forth
I wrestled in as a freshman in HS in the Bay Area. The toughest tourneys were in the Central Valley. No Joke. I got my ass handed to me and you see other freshman from that area wrestling varsity. I was decent but not like them. Ended up playing basketball the following year since it was in the same season as Wrestling. Grew to 6'3 as a point guard so that was my calling.
I wrestled at Central Catholic and Turlock High. I was straight garbage. Now that I help coach here in Indiana I understand what made it so tough. The wrestling room had much people that they were trying to make people quit. At Turlock we had like 10 dudes at 125lbs varsity. If you stayed on the team it was because you liked the sport or because you had a shot. Here in Indiana the practices are mild and mostly about technique.
@@mmonster719 are you responding to Lpm920 or the original post. Either way Lpm920 is correct saying most would be lucky to be state qualifiers in PA or NJ, and your one example still could not be the number one on PSU’s wrestling team. The west coast, as populated as it is, just doesn’t pump out as many elite athletes as the Midwest or Northeast.
California is definitely the toughest state to become champion! It’s only 1 and to get there is a whole another thing! Going through league, then CIF, then Masters… just to get to state and then a 32 man bracket! 🥇
California was 4th at Fargo in 2023. Only Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Oklahoma finished above California. So yes on pa. California is in the top 5 at Fargo every year.
Our 150 pounder at Whitney (who is ranked 8th) went against parco and almost got tech falled, our guy is very good at takedowns and didn’t even come close to a takedown, and last year at state he went against laird root, and well.. he didn’t win. He’s now dropped down to 144 and is ranked 5th, no hard guys in his weight class, he could win it all this year
You need to do a quick take on Clovis Unified School Districts utter domination of The California State Tournament. CUSD’s Buchanan High School has Won 7 States Championships in a Row & expected to take this Years/2024 also
@@jasonmiller1532 ….. Accumulative but Not in a Row. Coach Troy Tirapelle 7 Consecutive State Titles has broken his Father Stephen’s record of 6. Also Clovis High has been around 100 years as compared to Buchanan’s 30
yessir we did end up taking the lose to poway this year but will reconstruct at cif tourny,we have some sophomore dawgs and oncoming walk ons with 2 commits at marlyland and Minnesota, and the pan parco was beat by joseph toscano we deserve a name.
@@ryanabbott1104Yeah Iowa of 20 years ago..There best wrestler in the last 10 years..Pa Kid... PSU is about to Win 11 out of 13 Nattys..Cmon..Iowa is good Pennsylvania is Elite
@@psustu44 you’re talking about colleges. I’m referring to the state. At the state level Iowa produces more D1 wrestlers abd champs than any other state. Not school. This post was about California having the toughest state tournament. Yea, in theory it don’t. But more Iowa high school wrestlers go on to the next level to dominate. Iowa produces 4x Pennsylvania HS’s at the D1 and all American level. Period. You can google it.
@@ryanabbott1104 you are incorrect by a mile🤣🤣 all the hawkeyes that won nattys in the past 7-8 years have been from pa pretty much.. not to mention 90% of the last 10 nattys won by penn state had mostly pa wrestlers.. i mean look at lee wheres he from?
The sheer size and population of California should be a sign. In the lead up to the state finals you have the sectional tournament. Our North Coast section tournament is all wrestlers from the Bay area to the Oregon border. So the way I see it is our state championship is another step up from other smaller state competitions
Any state that just has one bracket for that specific weight I consider good like Indiana. If you are state champ at that weight you are the best they don’t have 5 different champs at the same weight.
Correct… im in Arizona now, but originally from Indiana. Az has 5 divisions and every division will have multiple wrestlers with losing records. Yes i said losing record at state… such a massive difference between being an Indiana state qualifier and an arizona state qualifier.
I was unranked my senior year as a first year wrestler and went on to state ended up taking 2nd in 2011 and I had no D-1 offers at 160lb weight class which is harder than 150s
The Montanona family has been a legitimate threat in California for like a decade. Anthony was like #6 at 170 in like 2017. Didn’t know there was a 3rd. California realistically has probably the toughest route to placing in state (I know Penn has a lot of really good wrestlers) because there’s 3 major tournaments you have to place in to make it to state in the first place. Most states you get into state by placing top 3 out of 16 one time and shit.
@@Lpm920i don’t doubt that. But in CA, you go through a league (usually 8-10 teams with top 3-5 placing depending), then you go through sectionals, another 32 or 64 bracket, top 2-7 move on depending on where, then the masters tournament which is combining another 3-4 sections placers, then you get into state which is yet another 60ish man tournament. The thing about California that makes it tougher is the sheer amount of wrestling you have to do, not necessarily the skill of the wrestlers. It’s a lot easier to mess up in one match and ruin your run when you have to go through up to 20 matches to reach state placement as opposed to 6-12
@@Lpm920see, the problem with that is that CA has probably twice as many wrestlers as literally any other state. The only way I could imagine restructuring is doing the olympic seeding style where a handful of tough tournaments give competitors a point value dictating their qualification. Issue with that is that there are tons of schools that only have maybe one or two guys even capable of snagging a single win in those tournaments, like my own when I was there. I tried to convince my coach (my dad lol, which shows just how impossible it is to get into those tournaments) and he flat out said no he’s not sending another 15 kids to get slaughtered and get virtually 0 reps just so I could maybe improve my own seeding. That then leads to a very consolidated community, where anyone that wants to be someone goes to one of ten schools and no other programs ever get state competitors
@@andrewposes8183its widely regarded by everyone who knows wrestling that Pennsylvania is the #1 state for wrestling. Ohio, Illinois, jersey then California.
@@marvinherrera3965Cali getting better. Let me know when you think youre Pa level. We have Pa vs USA and we won last year. And we win in college, like ALOT. Especially the Lehigh Valley.
Maybe not in recent years but I think historically it’s gotta be Jersey and Pennsylvania I mean those gotta be the toughest states I might be bias but I’m still right😂
you guys need to look at big Bears in Clovis,Fresno🅱️we hold it high and have been 7xcif champs our walk ons next year going put on a show and our current sophomores nationally ranked with 2 senior d1 commits,your buddy parco ws beat by our 144lb joseph toscano
Went to Gilroy High School and man, it has to be one of the best programs IN THE COUNTRY! No joke! Haven’t lost a Duel meet in like 15 years and always has multiple state ranked and 1-2 nationally ranked wrestlers
I genuinely think the education system is so bad in Cali that 1. Half these “kids” are nearly 20 and came to cali on a floating door and 2. Hardly any of them go d1 because they would be academically ineligible in any other state in the nation and so no college can take them. Jorge or Pablo go to college, realize they have try in school for the first time in their lives and fail out immediately. Go back home start MMA like clockwork
If anyone knows any just name em especially by so cal cause yes there are a few but I don’t think I’m gonna drive an hour to class and an hour back and still pay for a class it’s a lot of time I can’t afford to give up 😵💫
Wrestling schools are rare, but there are plenty of wrestling clubs. Google search them. Most clubs are for kids and work alongside school programs. If you are an adult, you may be able to find some clubs on college campuses that are run by alumni. If you are new to wrestling, your best bet may be wrestling classes at MMA gyms. Most wrestling clubs for adults are high level with very experienced wrestlers so if you are new, they may not be best. The MMA gyms may have classes specifically for new people. The downside to mma wrestling classes are that they tend to be pricier than clubs, the grappling you learn is more geared towards submissions and striking in mind, and the teachers may not he as passionate about pure wrestling, as they are often mma fighters. The up side is the accessibility. Check everything out though! Good luck!
@@chrisuecker4280 about 19 and the only experience I have is the wrestling I do in my BJJ school for about a year now and I haven’t been pulling guard for around 7 months
CA is tough because you only get one champ per weight class, versus states that do 1-5A. But, as a state, Iowa produces more All Americans and D1 wrestlers than any state. PA technically has more, but at 4 times the population, per capita no one comes close to Iowa.
Now I don't know anything about wrestling like Olympic style wrestling cuz the wrestling I know is the stuff you see on TV like AEW for an example. Somebody please explain to me how an underdog is still considered an underdog when they're in the top five?
California finished above Ohio at Fargo 2023. California took 4th, Ohio took 9th. California always does well at Fargo. Pa would destroy them though. They took 1st at Fargo by a lot.
Definitely Pennsylvania. But California competes with a lot Midwest states every year at Fargo. They placed 4th as a team in 2023. Only being beat out by Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Oklahoma.
Ohio is, and has been for a long time the hotbed of US wrestling. CA doesn't have the divisions like other states, but it also doesn't have the same level of raw talent and dynastic programs. CA kids often move to Ohio or Jersey for wrestling at a high level in highschool. That being said, California is still a major contender.
I disagree having more higher class wrestlers doesn’t make it harder because your level of entry of even getting into state is harder, but in smaller states that have consistent or at least random D1 wrestlers and random weights because I am from Montana and we won tri-state multiple times. The thing with Montana is there’s like a handful of people from each bigger town that’s good and then some of the smaller towns have some fucking units and then everybody else is just above average or average😂 freshman year. The kid I wrestled with went to Iowa the kid of my first wrestling coach is not wrestling over at Arizona State It’s chance McLean, and then my friends are all committing to colleges d-2 or d-1 depends but compared to states like California where your whole bracket is going to be people committing to colleges like that it’s fucking different😂 To explain my freshman year my teammate was in the finals. He got beat like it was a joke his hardest match was before the finals like it really depends because you’re gonna be going again some really good people well also having not much competition so it’s just a different difficulty. It’s hard to explain plus we have to travel all the fucking time so most of our actual competition in Like, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Wyoming, and North Dakota, sometimes Colorado those teams travel far. ( I had to stop wrestling sophomore year after I destroyed my shoulder in Salt Lake )
California was 4th at Fargo on 2023. Finished above Ohio. Pennsylvania took 1st though so you’re right about that. But California is always in the top 5 at Fargo pretty much every year.
Watch the NCAA National Championships most years of the twenty wrestlers in the finals Pa and NJ represents half anf yet combined don’t have the population of Ca… so no , Ca state championship is not deep, in fact very shallow
Like the other comment. It's one bracket in the entire state so that makes it seem like it's the toughest. When we all know PA is without the toughest in the country. You have the AAA, AA.. Then you have the independent with Nationally ranked teams like Wyoming Seminary, Malvern Prep etc... So no CA is not even close to the toughest. Imagine bringing all the above together for a State tournament. That would be insane.
@@jonathankreusch9326 yeah NJ is always in top 5 and then usually in top three states, depending on how you measure it. And has been for decades, with schools like st. Joes, Blaire, delbarton and DePaul more recently, Bergen catholic, all ranking nationally most years, and many others I’m forgetting. Plus many junior programs, friendly rivalries with across the border towns in PA and it drives competition. Plus, the state tourney is also a single, unified tourney, which only makes excludes certain college prep schools. It’s no joke in NJ
AC Slater was a solid CA wrestler back in the 90’s
He used to have tough matches against Valley
The artist?
@@JLJE54 youre too young for this one
Bayside High baby!!!
@@RON-MEXICO911Let Go Tigers!!!
The advantage of the CA state tournament is that there’s only 1. The other top wrestling states breaks their State tournaments into like 2-7 different tournaments so the talent pool in a single tournament is diluted. Ca has the most wrestlers just because it has the most population by far. The average CA wrestler isn’t a stand out in the rest of the county like an average PA wrestler might be but the people placing in state make up the highest percentile amongst their peers.
NJ also only has 1 state tournament
@@cainbrentnall8362no it doesn’t cali does
Huh? Lol
Huh? Lol
You just made my explaining those points unnecessary LOL... for man years, since wrestling back east, to the military moving me around the country, to becoming a coach in California through much of the 90's... I noticed California had huge amounts of very good wrestlers. The sheer culture of wrestling in PA. is fascinating, being that they aren't a low pollution at all, but compared to some other states they aren't that full of choices. They just love wrestling and I noticed whenever I crossed the border to wrestle down there I was happy to take a third place in open tournaments when I was a kid.
In California, they had a lot of everything. Beginners that were ridiculously hoping to home run moves to solve everything (headlock headlock headlock LOL...), pretty good guys that are very flashy and dazzling, but once on bottom fold and get worked... then this whole other level of guys good enough for college before they're even out of high school. They had it all, everywhere you turn.
Then I looked up the population back then (1990's) and they had eleven million more people than the next most populous state, New York at the time. And New York's population was mostly NYC and Long Island. The Island has a lot of solid guys (Vito, etc...), and upstate where it's desolate between small cities and little towns, produces occasional monsters-- like Dake or Yianni.
However it's a while before we see one again. Cali and PA. crank them out left and right LOL. Ohio and other states have hot spots of course, but again... the average kid from Pennsylvania gave me lots of work to do just to get past them.
A few weeks ago Daniel zepeda’s team came to the Louisiana classic and slaughtered everybody. It’s crazy that he’s only fifth
daniel zepeda is actually ranked 1 at 144 he dropped down weight
I get to watch him during freestyle and Greco, he destroys everyone and it's not even close.
He actually dropped to 138
@@JamAdrianFN i seen that yesterday
20lbs holy cow
167 lbs boys turn into men. I wrestled 185 in HS, my Dad wouldn't let me cut weight because my older brothers did it the wrong way. I lost to to the state champ 5-2. I wrestled 167 in college, Michigan UP, Lake Superior State, because the coach kicked are butts we averaged 30 miles a week. But that was a lifetime ago, 40 years. Love the sport. My 2 cents.
285 is for men who became 167lb men in middle school.
@@nicholasneyhart396Lmao
@@nicholasneyhart396”men” and middle schools is an oxymoron Brodie
@@fumky4768 And the joke clearly went over your head. It was supposed to be an absurd comment
There are some Monster wrestlers up there. 167 is a tough weight. There is a lot of strength in the division- but still guys with a lot of speed!
It’s amazing to know Miguel goes to my school bros a beast
Iowa and Pennsylvania are collectively laughing at the title of this video.
So is Wisconsin and Michigan.
And pa at that
So your telling me IOWA has any bracket as hard as this one? Im guessing CA has 5 guys who would take home the Iowa 150lb title. Not saying its not better 106-285 but for a single weight class thats almost impossiable to beat
Lmao ..that heavyweight (Daniel Herrera) from Cali moved to Iowa and won state ...went undefeated
Bullshit ca is the best wrestling state
Miguel used to come into my gas station in Bakersfield all the time! He is a good kid and he has his head on straight. We used to talk about the ufc fights after every weekend they were on! Wish him nothing but the best of luck
bako represent 💯💯💯
gilroys good i saw zepeda wrestle at sectionals since we're in the same section that guys crazy good
Pennsylvania
Ya we know…..
I remember when the north ran it all Illinois had my fav prospects
I remember when i was in high school st eds was number one and walsh Jesuit was number 2. Not in the state but in the nation. The dual match was insane. Dam near 8 thousand people showed up to see it
That still don’t explain how he’s ranked 1 nationally but 2 in the state
he’s probably number one for a different weight or the other guy is a higher p4p ranking but cut to wreslte that weight
@@mattcary8075no it’s not a different weight and Brock mantanona took 3rd at the u17 world championships this summer it’s because Miguel Estrada is a “3” time state champ Brock should be number one because he beat parco who beat Miguel at fargo
Because he wrestled more national wrestling tournaments, and won, other guy stayed out of those tournaments and mostly wrestled in freestyle tournaments that don’t count based on national rankings like super 32, Vegas invitational, so on and so forth
better accolades for the state rankings not the national.
@@VegaH_ how? I think being a world medalist and a state champ weighs out just being a state champ 🤷🏽♀️
I wrestled in as a freshman in HS in the Bay Area. The toughest tourneys were in the Central Valley. No Joke. I got my ass handed to me and you see other freshman from that area wrestling varsity. I was decent but not like them. Ended up playing basketball the following year since it was in the same season as Wrestling. Grew to 6'3 as a point guard so that was my calling.
I wrestled at Central Catholic and Turlock High. I was straight garbage. Now that I help coach here in Indiana I understand what made it so tough. The wrestling room had much people that they were trying to make people quit. At Turlock we had like 10 dudes at 125lbs varsity. If you stayed on the team it was because you liked the sport or because you had a shot. Here in Indiana the practices are mild and mostly about technique.
Cool piece, but no one compares to PA and NJ, plus none of them would be number 1 at PSU.
Most champs in Cali would be lucky to be state qualifiers in PA and NJ
Alr but what about Brock mantanona who is ranked #1 in the country and was a cadet world medalist and he also beat Collin rath from pa soooo…
@@mmonster719 are you responding to Lpm920 or the original post. Either way Lpm920 is correct saying most would be lucky to be state qualifiers in PA or NJ, and your one example still could not be the number one on PSU’s wrestling team.
The west coast, as populated as it is, just doesn’t pump out as many elite athletes as the Midwest or Northeast.
Imagine being from Pennsylvania and Having to listen to this 🤦🏿♂️🤣
You got that right! Penn State rules!
i’m saying pennsylvania and new jersey are easily the top 2
Hahaha literally!!!
@@qupq Pennsylvania and iowa
if you wondering best Highschool and below states for wrestling it is easily Pennsylvania and Ohio
Toughest bracket is often at the mid point of the weights, 152, 157. So many young guys at this weight and fierce competition
California is definitely the toughest state to become champion! It’s only 1 and to get there is a whole another thing! Going through league, then CIF, then Masters… just to get to state and then a 32 man bracket! 🥇
100%
True but when you add up the dominate teams they are in nj, pa, oh, ny, and everyone else
California was 4th at Fargo in 2023. Only Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Oklahoma finished above California. So yes on pa. California is in the top 5 at Fargo every year.
Im a first year and i thought itd be a good idea to cut more down to 150 instead of staying at 57. I havent won a match in this class.
First years rough at the middle to higher weights for most guys, keep at it
152 was fuuuckin wack in sw michigan lol got way better after i bulked to 189
Cant wait to see these guys at the next level
Illinois 106 is pretty stacked. 3 of the top 6 nationally ranked kids in Hayes, Cassioppi and Noble
Proud of these boys. Hell yeah!
Decades in the making. My best friends weight was around that he’s walking around was 160lb and he had to cut all the time in 08
When I wrestled in high school I had a dude in my weight class that went on to be a 4 time ncaa champ and a multiple time world champ 😂
AC Slater was a 5x high school national champ
He kicked Valleys butt
Our 150 pounder at Whitney (who is ranked 8th) went against parco and almost got tech falled, our guy is very good at takedowns and didn’t even come close to a takedown, and last year at state he went against laird root, and well.. he didn’t win. He’s now dropped down to 144 and is ranked 5th, no hard guys in his weight class, he could win it all this year
I feel that I faced Laird at western regionals and you about guess how that went being an Utah kid…
sorry but toscano will probably win 144
Whitney in the Rocklin/roseville area?
I think zepeda dropped to 144 as well
You need to do a quick take on Clovis Unified School Districts utter domination of The California State Tournament. CUSD’s Buchanan High School has Won 7 States Championships in a Row & expected to take this Years/2024 also
Clovis has more state championships
@@jasonmiller1532 ….. Accumulative but Not in a Row. Coach Troy Tirapelle 7 Consecutive State Titles has broken his Father Stephen’s record of 6. Also Clovis High has been around 100 years as compared to Buchanan’s 30
yessir we did end up taking the lose to poway this year but will reconstruct at cif tourny,we have some sophomore dawgs and oncoming walk ons with 2 commits at marlyland and Minnesota, and the pan parco was beat by joseph toscano we deserve a name.
UCLA and USC need wrestling programs now that they are in the Big 10.
Mantanona is a BEAST!
Me being I 150lb California sophomore
Good thing I’m bulking and working wrestling over the summer lol 😂
a 4 time champ would be extremely impressive in Cali I was a 1 time champ and finished 2nd 3rd and 5th my freshman year
Couldn’t hold a candle to PA
Iowa produces more studs than PA by a mile.
Idk bro, take your wreslters to frenso, Reno and gilroy and find out.
@@ryanabbott1104Yeah Iowa of 20 years ago..There best wrestler in the last 10 years..Pa Kid... PSU is about to Win 11 out of 13 Nattys..Cmon..Iowa is good Pennsylvania is Elite
@@psustu44 you’re talking about colleges. I’m referring to the state. At the state level Iowa produces more D1 wrestlers abd champs than any other state. Not school. This post was about California having the toughest state tournament. Yea, in theory it don’t. But more Iowa high school wrestlers go on to the next level to dominate. Iowa produces 4x Pennsylvania HS’s at the D1 and all American level. Period. You can google it.
@@ryanabbott1104 you are incorrect by a mile🤣🤣 all the hawkeyes that won nattys in the past 7-8 years have been from pa pretty much.. not to mention 90% of the last 10 nattys won by penn state had mostly pa wrestlers.. i mean look at lee wheres he from?
The sheer size and population of California should be a sign. In the lead up to the state finals you have the sectional tournament. Our North Coast section tournament is all wrestlers from the Bay area to the Oregon border. So the way I see it is our state championship is another step up from other smaller state competitions
Ohio, Iowa and Florida all have way harder state championships. This years cal championship is crazy though.
Any state that just has one bracket for that specific weight I consider good like Indiana. If you are state champ at that weight you are the best they don’t have 5 different champs at the same weight.
Correct… im in Arizona now, but originally from Indiana. Az has 5 divisions and every division will have multiple wrestlers with losing records. Yes i said losing record at state… such a massive difference between being an Indiana state qualifier and an arizona state qualifier.
Let’s goooo Brock Mantanona 🇬🇺
I was unranked my senior year as a first year wrestler and went on to state ended up taking 2nd in 2011 and I had no D-1 offers at 160lb weight class which is harder than 150s
The Montanona family has been a legitimate threat in California for like a decade. Anthony was like #6 at 170 in like 2017. Didn’t know there was a 3rd. California realistically has probably the toughest route to placing in state (I know Penn has a lot of really good wrestlers) because there’s 3 major tournaments you have to place in to make it to state in the first place. Most states you get into state by placing top 3 out of 16 one time and shit.
Getting 3rd in sectionals is no joke. Especially in Illinois. You get there and 6 guys in the bracket have 3 loses or less.
@@Lpm920i don’t doubt that. But in CA, you go through a league (usually 8-10 teams with top 3-5 placing depending), then you go through sectionals, another 32 or 64 bracket, top 2-7 move on depending on where, then the masters tournament which is combining another 3-4 sections placers, then you get into state which is yet another 60ish man tournament. The thing about California that makes it tougher is the sheer amount of wrestling you have to do, not necessarily the skill of the wrestlers. It’s a lot easier to mess up in one match and ruin your run when you have to go through up to 20 matches to reach state placement as opposed to 6-12
@@Nameandaddresswithheld dude that is crazy. I feel like it needs some restructuring…….
@@Lpm920see, the problem with that is that CA has probably twice as many wrestlers as literally any other state. The only way I could imagine restructuring is doing the olympic seeding style where a handful of tough tournaments give competitors a point value dictating their qualification. Issue with that is that there are tons of schools that only have maybe one or two guys even capable of snagging a single win in those tournaments, like my own when I was there. I tried to convince my coach (my dad lol, which shows just how impossible it is to get into those tournaments) and he flat out said no he’s not sending another 15 kids to get slaughtered and get virtually 0 reps just so I could maybe improve my own seeding. That then leads to a very consolidated community, where anyone that wants to be someone goes to one of ten schools and no other programs ever get state competitors
Pennsylvania wrestling blows any state out of the water..
You haven’t wrestled in California then buddy
I think the state of Iowa has something to say about that as well.
@@andrewposes8183 california is is top 5 for sure maybe top 4! But Pennsylvania and iowa are 1a-1b
@@jacobnelson4457 yes for sure!! I wont lie pennsylvania and iowa are 1A-1B.. even a hawkeye fan and nittany fan will admit thats true!!
@@andrewposes8183its widely regarded by everyone who knows wrestling that Pennsylvania is the #1 state for wrestling. Ohio, Illinois, jersey then California.
And the number one kids wrestles at the high school I went to lol that’s crazy
People need to put respect on California wrestling. Yeah we wrestle by the beach, but we are tough
Wrestlers from that state need to start doing something in college.
@@Gymthingz your not wrong, but so far. We have some California kids going up
@@marvinherrera3965Cali getting better. Let me know when you think youre Pa level. We have Pa vs USA and we won last year. And we win in college, like ALOT. Especially the Lehigh Valley.
@@BenDover-qs7vsi don’t deny. We’re getting better
In NJ the kids from the beach schools were always super tough and tatted up so I don’t doubt the surfer strength😂
Pa is by far the toughest wrestling state. Exact reason if you ask Cael why he came here. He absolutely loves Happy Valley
Maybe not in recent years but I think historically it’s gotta be Jersey and Pennsylvania I mean those gotta be the toughest states I might be bias but I’m still right😂
CT was always an underrated state imo
you guys need to look at big Bears in Clovis,Fresno🅱️we hold it high and have been 7xcif champs our walk ons next year going put on a show and our current sophomores nationally ranked with 2 senior d1 commits,your buddy parco ws beat by our 144lb joseph toscano
Went to Gilroy High School and man, it has to be one of the best programs IN THE COUNTRY! No joke! Haven’t lost a Duel meet in like 15 years and always has multiple state ranked and 1-2 nationally ranked wrestlers
Brandon High School in Florida didnt lose a meet for 34 years.
@@keithqueen352 that’s fucken crazy!!!
I genuinely think the education system is so bad in Cali that 1. Half these “kids” are nearly 20 and came to cali on a floating door and 2. Hardly any of them go d1 because they would be academically ineligible in any other state in the nation and so no college can take them. Jorge or Pablo go to college, realize they have try in school for the first time in their lives and fail out immediately. Go back home start MMA like clockwork
thats wild
As someone who lives in California I wish there were wrestling schools like there are Jiu Jitsu schools :(
There are a few
If anyone knows any just name em especially by so cal cause yes there are a few but I don’t think I’m gonna drive an hour to class and an hour back and still pay for a class it’s a lot of time I can’t afford to give up 😵💫
Wrestling schools are rare, but there are plenty of wrestling clubs. Google search them. Most clubs are for kids and work alongside school programs. If you are an adult, you may be able to find some clubs on college campuses that are run by alumni. If you are new to wrestling, your best bet may be wrestling classes at MMA gyms. Most wrestling clubs for adults are high level with very experienced wrestlers so if you are new, they may not be best. The MMA gyms may have classes specifically for new people. The downside to mma wrestling classes are that they tend to be pricier than clubs, the grappling you learn is more geared towards submissions and striking in mind, and the teachers may not he as passionate about pure wrestling, as they are often mma fighters. The up side is the accessibility. Check everything out though! Good luck!
@@ashtoncomer935 do you have experience and how old are you
@@chrisuecker4280 about 19 and the only experience I have is the wrestling I do in my BJJ school for about a year now and I haven’t been pulling guard for around 7 months
Are they not good enough for PSU ???
That's my question
It’s west coast right? They get second priority to East coast students
I saw zepeda live at LA classic and he was crazy good. Gilroy completly wiped the floor with everyone. Glad they decided not to come back next year.
Why is montanana ranked 2 in cali but 1 nationally?
Our school has one of the top 20 ranked wrestlers in cail i belive
I would venture to say pa has best wrestling idk why but they are hard on it up there
Pa 133
NJ or PA
i wrestle 150 at tournaments😔
Iowa baby!!!!!!!
Miguel is no joke man
CA is tough because you only get one champ per weight class, versus states that do 1-5A. But, as a state, Iowa produces more All Americans and D1 wrestlers than any state. PA technically has more, but at 4 times the population, per capita no one comes close to Iowa.
CA has always had the hardest state tournament. Imagine 80% of the east coast was all one state and they only had 1 champ per weight class.
Ya. We ain’t scared here in Illinois.
Now I don't know anything about wrestling like Olympic style wrestling cuz the wrestling I know is the stuff you see on TV like AEW for an example. Somebody please explain to me how an underdog is still considered an underdog when they're in the top five?
Come over to Pa and Ohio
California finished above Ohio at Fargo 2023. California took 4th, Ohio took 9th. California always does well at Fargo. Pa would destroy them though. They took 1st at Fargo by a lot.
#1is on a vision quest
VA!!!!!
Iowa represent 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Iowa, Minnesota. Not in that order
I'll see your California and raise you Pennsylvania, and any state in the Midwest that would put these kids to shame
Definitely Pennsylvania. But California competes with a lot Midwest states every year at Fargo. They placed 4th as a team in 2023. Only being beat out by Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Oklahoma.
@@TyeKelsoe I rest my case.
Illinois is foaming at the mouth for a piece!!! Lol
I think Cali has the best high school wrestling but if i had a choice I’d have gone to Penn for college
Ask college coaches.....they will give you the best unbiased opinion. Remember one saying " If you even place at CIF state you are a national recruit"
That kid will Regress if he goes to Iowa. Just sit back and watch and see !!!!
Let's see a team of the '24 PA state Champs vs the Cali Champs.....
Ohio is, and has been for a long time the hotbed of US wrestling.
CA doesn't have the divisions like other states, but it also doesn't have the same level of raw talent and dynastic programs. CA kids often move to Ohio or Jersey for wrestling at a high level in highschool. That being said, California is still a major contender.
I disagree having more higher class wrestlers doesn’t make it harder because your level of entry of even getting into state is harder, but in smaller states that have consistent or at least random D1 wrestlers and random weights because I am from Montana and we won tri-state multiple times. The thing with Montana is there’s like a handful of people from each bigger town that’s good and then some of the smaller towns have some fucking units and then everybody else is just above average or average😂 freshman year. The kid I wrestled with went to Iowa the kid of my first wrestling coach is not wrestling over at Arizona State It’s chance McLean, and then my friends are all committing to colleges d-2 or d-1 depends but compared to states like California where your whole bracket is going to be people committing to colleges like that it’s fucking different😂
To explain my freshman year my teammate was in the finals. He got beat like it was a joke his hardest match was before the finals like it really depends because you’re gonna be going again some really good people well also having not much competition so it’s just a different difficulty. It’s hard to explain plus we have to travel all the fucking time so most of our actual competition in Like, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Wyoming, and North Dakota, sometimes Colorado those teams travel far.
( I had to stop wrestling sophomore year after I destroyed my shoulder in Salt Lake )
California needs to make noise in college. So far all the studs that were suppose to be massive. Ended up flat lining.
How did dude beat Bo Bassett if Bo is still undefeated?
That was IA like every year in HS😅
Then every other weight it's PA!! Lol
However the 150# in CA is insane
Lmfaooo, power 5 schools?!? 😂🤣😂🤣
Zepeda isn't going to wrestle 50s for post season, he's cutting to 38s again
here after brock won first place and estrada got 4th
Would get wrecked in Ohio or PA
And likely NJ
And ID
California was 4th at Fargo on 2023. Finished above Ohio. Pennsylvania took 1st though so you’re right about that. But California is always in the top 5 at Fargo pretty much every year.
Bo has never wresteld that light of weight before. The cut beat him...
California is deep because it’s one division. Ohio has 3 divisions and there are absolute animals in all 3.
Watch the NCAA National Championships most years of the twenty wrestlers in the finals Pa and NJ represents half anf yet combined don’t have the population of Ca… so no , Ca state championship is not deep, in fact very shallow
Bassett is 138..Zepada is 149. Big difference when someone cuts down to wrestle a lighter weight, but really isn’t that weight.
We already know real gangsters come from cali 💯
Like the other comment. It's one bracket in the entire state so that makes it seem like it's the toughest. When we all know PA is without the toughest in the country. You have the AAA, AA.. Then you have the independent with Nationally ranked teams like Wyoming Seminary, Malvern Prep etc... So no CA is not even close to the toughest. Imagine bringing all the above together for a State tournament. That would be insane.
Go Hawks, baby
Are these all guys of Hispanic origin
If so fucking sick
Mad some immigrants took your manual labor job since you lack any real education? I'm sorry
POWAY HIGH SCHOOL 2007
stand up
I know Daniel
Laird root is a led zeppelin fan
PennState and then the rest.
If none of your weight class is committed to a Pennsylvania, Iowa, or Oklahoma wrestling school, then maybe its not as top tier as you think it is
California just due to the size of the field, then PA, IA, OK, NY, OH in no particular order.
Nj over NY, per capita and raw numbers for D1 product wrestlers. Then I think nj beats OK and IA on raw numbers but not per capita
Joysey…Ya think so?
@@jonathankreusch9326 yeah NJ is always in top 5 and then usually in top three states, depending on how you measure it. And has been for decades, with schools like st. Joes, Blaire, delbarton and DePaul more recently, Bergen catholic, all ranking nationally most years, and many others I’m forgetting. Plus many junior programs, friendly rivalries with across the border towns in PA and it drives competition. Plus, the state tourney is also a single, unified tourney, which only makes excludes certain college prep schools. It’s no joke in NJ
Bo basset wrestles 138. He is not a senior either.
Cali no divisions everybody wrestles everybody
Nick Nevills and Morgan McIntosh at least one of the zahid brothers put Cali on the map. The top studs aren’t as dominant as other states.
That’s crazy you didn’t mention Jesse Delgado????
Zepeda is 138 he not even in this bracket😭