Chess Principles? Anyone?? || Stockfish vs Leela Chess Zero || TCEC Superfinal (S15) Game 61

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    Stockfish vs Leela Chess Zero
    TCEC Season 15 Superfinal, Game 61
    Trompowsky Attack (A45)
    1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5 Ne4 3. Bf4 c5 4. f3 Qa5+ 5. c3 Nf6 6. d5 Qb6 7. Bc1 d6 8. e4 e6 9. c4 g6 10. Ne2 Bg7 11. Nec3 O-O 12. Be2 Ne8 13. h4 h6 14. g4 Qd8 15. Be3 f5 16. f4 Qe7 17. h5 g5 18. Qd2 e5 19. fxg5 f4 20. Bf2 hxg5 21. Qd3 Nd7 22. Rg1 Bf6 23. Nd2 Qf7 24. O-O-O Bd8 25. Nf3 Kh7 26. Rg2 a6 27. Rdg1 Rg8 28. Qc2 Kh8 29. Kb1 Rb8 30. Ka1 Nef6 31. Nd1 Ba5 32. Nh4 Nf8 33. Bf3 b5 34. Nc3 Qe8 35. Nb1 Rb7 36. Nf5 Bxf5 37. gxf5 N8h7 38. h6 Bb4 39. Qe2 bxc4 40. Be1 Qd8 41. Nc3 Rb8 42. Kb1 Ba3 43. Na4 c3 44. Bxc3 Qd7 45. Qd1 Bb4 46. Ka1 Qb7 47. Qc2 a5 48. Qe2 Qd7 49. Qd1 c4 50. a3 Qb5 51. Qc2 Qe8 52. Be2 Qd7 53. Bf3 Qb5 54. Bd1 Bxc3 55. Nxc3 Qc5 56. Qd2 Qd4 57. Qe1 Qb6 58. Qd2 Rb7 59. a4 Qc5 60. Qe1 Rb4 61. Qd2 Qb6 62. Qc1 Qd4 63. Qc2 Rb3 64. Be2 Rxc3 65. Qxc3 Qxc3 66. bxc3 Nxe4 67. Bf3 Nef6 68. Be2 e4 69. Bxc4 g4 70. Rb2 Ng5 71. Rb6 Nf7 72. Bf1 f3 73. c4 Nd7 74. Rb7 Nfe5 75. f6 e3 76. Rb3 e2 77. Bxe2 fxe2 78. Re3 Nf3 79. f7 Rf8 80. Rxg4 e1=Q+ 81. Rxe1 Nxe1 82. Rg6
    Today, May 10, 2019, Leela is playing in the first game of the high profile TCEC Season 15 Superfinal. Leela qualified after she cleared Division P undefeated, winning at least once head-to-head against every opponent except Houdini. Her opponent in the superfinal is Stockfish, who lost once to Leela head-to-head in Division P, but finished with a higher score by winning more games than Leela against the other Division P competitors.
    In the just-concluded TCEC Cup III, seeding was determined by the engines' finishing position in their divisions, with the exception of Leela, who was automatically seeded #1 as the Defending Cup Champion. Leela easily handled Round 32 and Round 16 of TCEC Cup 3, knocking out Marvin (5-0) and Booot (4.5-0.5). The quarterfinals featured the same engines as Division P with Leela knocking out Fire (5-3). In the semifinal, Leela scored two wins over Houdini ending with a 4.5-2.5 score to advance to the cup final versus Stockfish. In the final, Leela and Stockfish played their first eight games to a tie, each with one win and one loss. In the first tie-breaker pair, Leela won as white and held Stockfish to a draw on the reverse, winning the match 5.5-4.5 for her second consecutive TCEC Cup.
    In the hours before the superfinal, the TCEC team ran various unofficial tests at disparate time controls. One such test match featured Stockfish at 30' + 5" time control and Leela 1/10th of that at 3' + 0.5". Leela still won a game and drew the match despite the large time disadvantage. Prior to the Cup, Leela faced the supercharged 176-thread, 7-man tablebase "Bluefish" version of the Stockfish engine that is used as a kibitzer for the TCEC eval graphs. Again, Leela won a game and drew the match.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 947

  • @SaikanthDacha
    @SaikanthDacha 5 років тому +1993

    No NicePhotos™ of Stockfish and Leela from this game?

    • @fabian4735
      @fabian4735 5 років тому +93

      Not even a grischuk foto....

    • @GoodDay2Smoke
      @GoodDay2Smoke 5 років тому +46

      Niki Riga on vacation...

    • @shamank
      @shamank 5 років тому +49

      Just an old illustration we did for an AI article we were worked on in the past (that hedgehog is our company's pet) nimb.ws/KqBhNT

    • @bardhizenelaj5057
      @bardhizenelaj5057 5 років тому +4

      Hahahahahahahhahahahahahaha

    • @kingofchase2539
      @kingofchase2539 5 років тому +2

      @@shamank hahahahaha

  • @young_dan_kee
    @young_dan_kee 5 років тому +863

    “This B2 pawn is protected like, well like a very important pawn” - Agadmator 😂

    • @jacksonhadden
      @jacksonhadden 5 років тому +35

      I knew I wasn't the first to appreciate such a great line

    • @jcheroske
      @jcheroske 5 років тому +16

      Best line in the vid

    • @young_dan_kee
      @young_dan_kee 5 років тому +21

      His commentary is priceless

    • @zublimed
      @zublimed 5 років тому +9

      VIP

    • @YAHOOISNOTG
      @YAHOOISNOTG 4 роки тому +4

      I think an ellipsis after "like" is more accurate than a comma lol

  • @ultrainstinctshaggy669
    @ultrainstinctshaggy669 5 років тому +1789

    It's satisfying that these engines are just ignoring open principles.
    Kinda like how I play my games. This give me motivation to continue

    • @curtisw0234
      @curtisw0234 5 років тому +164

      Good players understand chess principles. Better players know the exceptions

    • @skridalthcrevasse2388
      @skridalthcrevasse2388 5 років тому +32

      Speaking of principles, WHY NOT, at 16:25, capture the rook with the pawn? As an amateur, that move seems more logical in my perspective. Any elite players here to enlighten me on this matter?

    • @smaklilu90
      @smaklilu90 5 років тому +32

      My car runs faster than any athlete in the world. It doesn't go to gym do crazy exercises. Makes perfect sense.

    • @tamzidrafi6963
      @tamzidrafi6963 5 років тому +53

      @Jigov well that escalated quickly

    • @LucaBl
      @LucaBl 5 років тому +18

      Skridalth Crevasse black‘s queen is in a better position than white, so white wants to trade queens.

  • @oscaro.172
    @oscaro.172 5 років тому +384

    What a CRAZY game. My brain has been fried.

    • @skridalthcrevasse2388
      @skridalthcrevasse2388 5 років тому +3

      I'll use your top-comment as a platform to ask this:
      WHY NOT, at 16:25, capture the rook with the pawn? As an amateur, that move seems more logical in my perspective. Any elite players here to enlighten me on this matter?

    • @oscaro.172
      @oscaro.172 5 років тому +5

      @@skridalthcrevasse2388 black will capture on e4 regardless, but the black queen is much more active. I think it makes sense to trade

    • @0bada905
      @0bada905 4 роки тому +2

      Play anti fried Iiver defence... maybe it'll help

    • @PhantomAyz
      @PhantomAyz 3 роки тому

      @@0bada905 lmao

  • @cr0mag732
    @cr0mag732 5 років тому +632

    This is the most alien top level chess game I've ever seen

    • @leonardorhodes675
      @leonardorhodes675 4 роки тому +63

      yea I literally just have 0 zero clue what is even happening it's like not even chess.

    • @mayank080193
      @mayank080193 4 роки тому +19

      Watch "the perfect game" on his channel.

    • @gabydewilde
      @gabydewilde 3 роки тому +1

      its others games are worse.

    • @GardenHood
      @GardenHood 3 роки тому

      Crazy. Was all defensive and wait to see who bit first

    • @benjaminfischer6022
      @benjaminfischer6022 2 роки тому

      Alpha Zero games are truly alien man. Alpha does shit no human would ever think of

  • @timbuckthe2nd642
    @timbuckthe2nd642 5 років тому +289

    im a simple man, i see agadmator post neural network chess, i instantly like

    • @Samuel-cu9vo
      @Samuel-cu9vo 5 років тому +8

      After reading your comment I noticed I had done the same, without even knowing myself

  • @smalford7778
    @smalford7778 5 років тому +516

    Thank you agad, I love the computer vs computer analyses

  • @michaeldistance891
    @michaeldistance891 5 років тому +707

    Agad: look at this bad boy here
    Me: so what’s the idea here

    • @skridalthcrevasse2388
      @skridalthcrevasse2388 5 років тому +4

      Apart from that, WHY NOT, at 16:25, capture the rook with the pawn? As an amateur, that move seems more logical in my perspective. Any elite players here to enlighten me on this matter?

    • @myboy9630
      @myboy9630 5 років тому

      @@skridalthcrevasse2388 What's your plan first? You should have a plan if your gonna sac a piece.

    • @carloscoolkid6067
      @carloscoolkid6067 5 років тому +2

      Im also an amateur but white probably wanted to make sure to exchange queens because white had two rooks.

    • @RobBM93
      @RobBM93 5 років тому +5

      @@skridalthcrevasse2388 At the end it's the same. After pawn takes rook on C3, queen takes pawn on e4 allow exchanges with white queen. If white queen re-capture on e4, knight takes queen and pieces are on the same position than in the video.

  • @arunsathyamurthy8332
    @arunsathyamurthy8332 5 років тому +186

    I am the admin of TCEC, thanks for the video, just to clarify engines don't resign, we have a cut off rule of +-10 for 5 moves from both engines and the game is adjudicated

    • @arunsathyamurthy8332
      @arunsathyamurthy8332 5 років тому +6

      Also link to game is cd.tcecbeta.club/archive.html?season=15&div=sf&game=61

    • @anononomous
      @anononomous 5 років тому +61

      I think that agadmator is basically saying that treating this as a _normal_ game for the purposes of of analysis and narrative, Stockfish makes a de-facto resignation.

    • @fabiandelgadoregal9676
      @fabiandelgadoregal9676 5 років тому +39

      ... and I guess is more romantic to the public than the cold technical adjudication, wouldn’t you agree?

    • @greenman9123
      @greenman9123 4 роки тому +3

      Fuck off steve jobs

    • @Chris.Massimino
      @Chris.Massimino 4 роки тому +19

      Yeah I bet your fun at the bar or library.

  • @santanubanerjee490
    @santanubanerjee490 5 років тому +391

    Copied from Reddit::
    Leela's eval went from 0.1 to -1.2 in one move, and stockfish's eval didn't go negative until 15 moves later (move 18 vs move 33)
    Leela also won game 62 which started from the same opening book position but with leela playing as white.
    Both games were 82 moves and both lasted for 4 hours and 25 minutes
    After game 62, Leela is now 5 points ahead with 10 wins, 5 losses, and 47 draws
    Leela's live Elo rating is now almost 100 points higher than stockfish's rating (3635 vs 3541)

    • @brianteskey2425
      @brianteskey2425 5 років тому +56

      Leelas elo in reality is much higher than that of sf because those Elos don’t take into account the opening aspects of chess. If they both played from move one sf would never win a game

    • @openclassics
      @openclassics 5 років тому +15

      Thanks for the interesting infos!
      By the way: unbelievable, that both engines are rating the same position different...

    • @Astrobay13
      @Astrobay13 5 років тому +47

      @@openclassics That's because Leela isn't an engine

    • @santanubanerjee490
      @santanubanerjee490 5 років тому +2

      @scpDgJ it depends since they must have preagreed on the CPU/GPU specs for both Leela & Stockfish to perform, else if you use too many CPU's maybe Stockfish might have the upper hand because it can use more hash memory..

    • @ramking7869
      @ramking7869 4 роки тому +11

      @@Astrobay13 leela zero is an engine, it is an engine modelled after alphago zero's preliminary protocols

  • @ahmedwaheed3153
    @ahmedwaheed3153 5 років тому +200

    Only in engine games Agadmator can’t say that this move shouldn’t have been played or would have been better to do that move

    • @BodhiGeraci
      @BodhiGeraci 5 років тому +5

      ofc

    • @aa01blue38
      @aa01blue38 3 роки тому +17

      there aren't any crazy engine lines either because the line played is the crazy engine line

    • @chrisbrindas1559
      @chrisbrindas1559 3 роки тому +4

      @@aa01blue38 stockfish labelled this loss as a crazy engine line

  • @robertsnochowski6924
    @robertsnochowski6924 5 років тому +360

    Dog: lying peacefully for 15 minutes straight
    Me: Wait, that's illegal

    • @kusy2130
      @kusy2130 5 років тому +5

      He moved on words: "and finally.." lmao

    • @hokpakh3
      @hokpakh3 5 років тому +4

      He's done a surgery

    • @jx14aby
      @jx14aby 5 років тому +1

      @@kusy2130 He was bored out of his mind.

    • @Dazzwidd
      @Dazzwidd 5 років тому +1

      Dog is illegal?

    • @dannygjk
      @dannygjk 5 років тому +2

      The dog had one too many beers.

  • @Sasha1234575
    @Sasha1234575 5 років тому +240

    Agadmator: "They agree, that Leela will win."
    Stockfish: "Wait, wait.. wtf. Leela is mate in 83 moves...."

    • @Rakkaus37212
      @Rakkaus37212 3 роки тому +5

      i ruined the 123 likes, it's now 124 likes

    • @cynical5062
      @cynical5062 3 роки тому +5

      @@Rakkaus37212 I ruined the 124. It's now 125.

    • @Mahfireballs
      @Mahfireballs 3 роки тому +3

      @@cynical5062 I would say that's definitely an improvement.

    • @cynical5062
      @cynical5062 3 роки тому +3

      @@Mahfireballs Apparently someone ruined my 125 and made it 142.

    • @Mahfireballs
      @Mahfireballs 3 роки тому +3

      @@cynical5062 euhhhhh "It definitely was not me..." But shame that guy, he ruined it for real. XD

  • @JamesBrown-zp9xe
    @JamesBrown-zp9xe 5 років тому +532

    you forgot to mention the evaluation difference almost throughout the whole match.
    usually, while the engines have slightly varying opinions of a position they roughly agree on who is better.
    however, in this game, leela saw an advantage way before stockfish. stockfish thought it was slightly better out of the opening with a +0.8 eval.
    leela though indicated a large advantage for black after 18.Qd2 which she thought was a blunder. after this, the evals started to drift apart with leela being more certain of a win each move while stockfish was more or less clueless and thought the position was better for white or equal until 20 moves after when it conceeded it was worse and shortly after that, losing. this is the first time i have ever seen stockfish being outplayed by such a large margin.
    it really goes to highlight leelas superior positional understanding in a spectacular way. a year ago, no one would have ever thought this was possible.
    definately the best game of the superfinal so far and perhaps the beginning of a new era in computer chess.

    • @cinegraphics
      @cinegraphics 4 роки тому +95

      A woman always knows when a man blunders a lot before he understands what's going on.

    • @redalien75
      @redalien75 4 роки тому +93

      @@cinegraphics bruh

    • @vanessaingenhoff4343
      @vanessaingenhoff4343 4 роки тому +7

      Out analysis didn't see 18. Qd3 as a big blunder.. The worst was 64. Be2 (following the match winning move 64...Rxc3), but match was lost already.

    • @EssDubz
      @EssDubz 4 роки тому +2

      @@vanessaingenhoff4343 what if stockfish captured with the pawn instead of the queen and rejected the queen trade?

    • @Aromatic-ring
      @Aromatic-ring 3 роки тому +2

      A computer can’t be a “she”

  • @robert8984
    @robert8984 5 років тому +33

    I love the fact that Alpha Zero and Leela play very different. Leela cares way more about material and reaching dominating positions, while Alpha really goes hard into activity > material. We saw so many games where Alpha sacreficed pawn after pawn and one or two minor pieces to get a deadly attack, while Lee has alot of games where she (?) creates a chaotic position in the opening and then strategicly outplays the opponent in the midgame.

    • @lipat97
      @lipat97 5 років тому +2

      Is Leela also a deep learning engine? Is that why they are both Zero? Are there games between Leela and Alpha?

    • @robert8984
      @robert8984 5 років тому

      @@lipat97 Yes. No, its because Leela is based on Googles AlphaGo. No.

    • @lipat97
      @lipat97 5 років тому

      Norbert Hasenschläger ahh so Leela is the same type of engine by a different team. I wonder why it plays so differently from AlphaGo then

    • @dannygjk
      @dannygjk 5 років тому +2

      Actually Leela plays a lot like Alpha Zero making positional sacs so deep that even Stockfish can't calculate clearly OTB who is better.

    • @Pintkonan
      @Pintkonan 5 років тому

      to learn a lot, leela still has, if competing to alpha zero will become a goal one day. A0 would rape her little NN ass, especially given the amount of training that A0 received and the amount of training leela has to this point. just imagine A0 was given more then a couple of days of training.

  • @funny-video-YouTube-channel
    @funny-video-YouTube-channel 3 роки тому +171

    The Ai did play much better than any of the human players as of now.
    The young human players are learning from the Ai and will start to play in the similar style as we already see with Dubov.
    In the end chess will be more fun and interesting.

    • @FlourescentPotato
      @FlourescentPotato 3 роки тому +13

      mm not really, humans are still human.

    • @katieava2956
      @katieava2956 3 роки тому +3

      It won't, it'll just turn into calculations

    • @peterisawesomeplease
      @peterisawesomeplease 3 роки тому +17

      @@katieava2956 "just turn into calculations" our brains are as far as we know are "just calculators" but calculators and calulations are the most interesting objects in the universe. Computer programs and hardware happen to be better at chess than humans but that does not make understanding the problem space of chess uninteresting. In fact studying things that computers are better at humans at may lead to better ways for humans to think or ways for humans and computers to use their respective advantages collaboratively.
      Chess has lots of problems. I don't think if we were starting from scratch anyone would choose the current mechanics for chess we have today(there are hundreds of chess like variants and chess like games attempting to do better). But these issues are not due to computer dominance. If anything computer chess has helped to suggest variants of chess that would be more interesting for humans to explore.

    • @ColdSleep
      @ColdSleep 3 роки тому +5

      If this kind of chess is the future, it's the opposite of fun and interesting. This was a very tedious game after the opening, as Antonio himself pointed out, it's a "slow maneuvering game".

    • @Jinx-iw6zb
      @Jinx-iw6zb 3 роки тому

      @@ColdSleep future of chess might not necessarily be slow maneuvering games. For all we know a new engine could come in like alpha zero did and change everything up. Future of chess will remain uncertain until chess is solved.

  • @philipcools7121
    @philipcools7121 5 років тому +31

    9:10 "Black would never really capture here". Sounds like you've never seen me play :D

  • @W4rfire
    @W4rfire 5 років тому +51

    Just unbelievable how it can be best to retreat so many times. Or to move your king 5 imes without being forced to. Insane

    • @DirtyPoul
      @DirtyPoul 3 роки тому +2

      It probably isn't the best move, but good because it avoids being forced to move at a much later point while giving up material or tempo in the process. It seems to me that non-critical king moves like that are often played by engines when the positions are locked in place and tempo doesn't matter much.

    • @Subject18
      @Subject18 3 роки тому +2

      @@DirtyPoul not the best move by which definition? These two engines have the closest approximations to best move that there is, and ofc they only play the moves they think are best

    • @DirtyPoul
      @DirtyPoul 3 роки тому +3

      @@Subject18 By the literal definition of the word. You'd have to solve the game to find it though, so it's not happening any time soon, if ever. The fact that these engines best each other shows that it's not optimal play. It's getting closer and closer, but there is still room for improvement.
      I wonder what the practical limit to elo would be? Is optimal play further away from Stockfish and Lc0 than those engines are from the best human players? Or is it closer? How good is optimal play really? I think it's fascinating to consider.

    • @thecakeredux
      @thecakeredux 3 роки тому +2

      The king moves are what shows me how little I understand compared to an engine the most. With other pieces you can see ideas, but sudden inexplicable king moves just scream "I'm already 15 moves ahead" in your face.

  • @alephnull4044
    @alephnull4044 5 років тому +32

    I mean this just looks like both engines being silly and having too much fun. Chess engines are so advanced nowadays that they've actually acquired a sense of humour.

  • @Shuaibmohd
    @Shuaibmohd 5 років тому +84

    This is too much for my brain.. That exchange sacrifice was insanely good.. Wow...

  • @AJ-et6rx
    @AJ-et6rx 5 років тому +546

    Give Stockfish a break.
    He is not himself since his loss to Alfa Zero.
    He just needs time. Some home preparation with engines. And that's all.
    .
    .
    Oops.

    • @kapteinrdskjegg5285
      @kapteinrdskjegg5285 5 років тому

      Heia Norge!!! Torsk er digg

    • @FifaTikiTakaFan
      @FifaTikiTakaFan 5 років тому +86

      @Peter Mortensen As this joke relies on the humification of stockfish, calling it "it" would not work in this case. And as Leela is a "she", it doesnt seem that unfair to call him "he".

    • @motazal-hyari692
      @motazal-hyari692 5 років тому +27

      @Peter Mortensen TRIGGERED

    • @openclassics
      @openclassics 5 років тому +7

      😂 You are not yourself if you are hungry!

    • @louis8213
      @louis8213 5 років тому +1

      Cheeky Laurel 😂 that was funny

  • @FruitOfTheSpirit
    @FruitOfTheSpirit 5 років тому +73

    It would indeed be interesting to see the rematch with Lela as white, particularly if we get a comparison of where their opening lines deviate.
    Thanks for the insightful videos.

    • @ahmedshomer4562
      @ahmedshomer4562 5 років тому +8

      Chris I stockfish deviated with black with e6 instead of leela's d6 and leela won that game too

    • @JB-yg3ew
      @JB-yg3ew 5 років тому +2

      Rematch #suggestion

    • @uwupaksa8451
      @uwupaksa8451 5 років тому

      #suggestion

  • @dub-jscrub-j2762
    @dub-jscrub-j2762 4 роки тому +21

    5:19 leela attempts to fry stockfish's circuits

    • @Safwan.Hossain
      @Safwan.Hossain 3 роки тому +1

      mine as well. Wtf was that insane pawn structure from both sides

  • @FreedumbHS
    @FreedumbHS 5 років тому +28

    This is like chess from an alternate dimension

    • @adamhedley8924
      @adamhedley8924 4 роки тому +4

      it is, its from the universe where hillary won and it was the last game before ww3 and korea won and took over the entire world and chess was banned

  • @hughtube5154
    @hughtube5154 5 років тому +59

    Glad that the pieces weren't developed because it meant I was able to watch some hard core pawns.

    • @qadqad_k7896
      @qadqad_k7896 5 років тому +4

      if you said it out loud, your comment sounded wrong.

    • @jp4431
      @jp4431 4 роки тому +5

      @@qadqad_k7896 that's the idea.

    • @lagrandenation7750
      @lagrandenation7750 4 роки тому

      What about a fork? And maybe some nasty discoveries or pins in the opening?

  • @Larspltx
    @Larspltx 5 років тому +26

    The reverse game is great as well, would be nice to see it. Afaik the first time the fish has been fried both ways in the TCEC SF.

    • @liviupaunescu1700
      @liviupaunescu1700 5 років тому +5

      Afaik the first time Leela beat the fish with black

    • @Einyen
      @Einyen 5 років тому +2

      @@liviupaunescu1700 Definitely first time in TCEC Superfinal or DivisionP with long time controls. She might have won with black before vs SF in CCC on shorter time controls, and she just did again today in CCC8 bonus match: chess . com / ccc

    • @dannygjk
      @dannygjk 4 роки тому

      @@liviupaunescu1700 ?? I would be surprised to see that is true. iirc they both beat each other as black more than once, (unless you mean just that match).

  • @dankwarmouse6248
    @dankwarmouse6248 5 років тому +11

    What a wonderful game. I love the seemingly reckless and aggressive play that engine games contain. So exciting to see positions that seem like they'd be unsound if a human had them but work through the precision of engine calculation.
    Would anyone be willing to transcribe this game into Russian? My grandfather was a chess master in the USSR and doesn't speak English well but I'd love to show him this game.

    • @problematic7993
      @problematic7993 5 років тому

      I suggest you get a bilingual family member to do it.

    • @apoclipsful
      @apoclipsful 5 років тому +1

      Just show it to him, I mean, chess is a language

    • @dankwarmouse6248
      @dankwarmouse6248 5 років тому +4

      @Nospotic This is true but it would be less confusing to tell when Agad is showing a variation as opposed to what happened. Really I'd just love if community closed captioning was on the channel in general though

    • @nabildanial00
      @nabildanial00 5 років тому +2

      @@dankwarmouse6248 Here is the pgn of the game
      cd.tcecbeta.club/archive.html?season=15&div=sf&game=61

  • @callusmaximums
    @callusmaximums 5 років тому +1

    I don’t think people appreciate how much work goes into this! Just look how much time is put into the description to these videos! They have helped my game no end. I must watch at least 2 videos a day of these games and analysis
    Thanks a lot keep it up

  • @joak244
    @joak244 5 років тому +6

    YES!! I saw the post on /r/reddit and kept refreshing youtube expecting you or someone else to analyse it, thank you for the video!!

  • @anirudhabrv1
    @anirudhabrv1 5 років тому +107

    To those of you who read the description: You are an excellent subscriber! :)

    • @fleecemaster
      @fleecemaster 5 років тому +2

      @@ilteronatkorkmaz5346 Just Google "TCEC"

  • @18Me10
    @18Me10 5 років тому +31

    isnt it amazing to see the 3 pawns from 5:25 all moved forward by one square by 17:30?

    • @amieres
      @amieres 5 років тому +1

      It's incredible

    • @mikaelhoghede5072
      @mikaelhoghede5072 5 років тому

      Isn't there an exploitable symmetry because of the possibility to choose first pawn move between 1 and 2 steps with regard to time? Did Leela find this and exploit it.

    • @yukin2344
      @yukin2344 5 років тому

      wow

  • @peterkoinzell7983
    @peterkoinzell7983 5 років тому +7

    "Complete madness on the board." freaking right! what an awesome sight!

  • @jammasterleescrazyyoutubej6464
    @jammasterleescrazyyoutubej6464 5 років тому +9

    the way leela defended those pawns against the rook with her knights and then maneuvered them forward at the same time..smooth like buttah!

  • @adkxudsca
    @adkxudsca 5 років тому +23

    I almost never comment on youtube, but damn!! This game is an absolute beauty

  • @DjVortex-w
    @DjVortex-w 4 роки тому +22

    I think one of the differences between human and engine play is that engines sometimes (even oftentimes) enter a situation of "shuffling", like happened here towards the endgame. I think this kind of playing more rarely happens in human games. It might be that humans are more impatient and don't have as much patience and want the game to advance, and to attack the opponent, rather than slowly grinding the position a fraction of an inch at a time towards a better position. Of course engines don't have this kind of impatience and will do however many moves are necessary, even if it's a hundred of them.

  • @stephenhockley
    @stephenhockley 4 роки тому +2

    This was amazing. It's like they are both speaking an advanced language, watching them play! It's a language I don't understand but it's nice to hear :P

  • @AndersonNeo12
    @AndersonNeo12 5 років тому +22

    This B2 pawn is protected like Fort Nox

  • @lecobra418
    @lecobra418 5 років тому +1

    A nice illustration of how two knights can sometimes fuck up a whole defense when used wisely. Also, this game was played like pure military strategy, pawns acting like troops to put pressure on hot points, risking their lives on the line while being reinforced without noticing it by pieces. Ultimately pieces came into play, sacrificing themselves to make a breach in the white pawns defense allowing for the wall of black pawns to move on aggressively conquering land and the last remains of white pieces.

  • @elreylagarto63
    @elreylagarto63 5 років тому +20

    “And it was in this position that Stockfish resigned the game”

    • @v44n7
      @v44n7 3 роки тому

      probably not in any official tournament

  • @ammaryaseen509
    @ammaryaseen509 4 роки тому +14

    8:49 vsauce theme intensifies

  • @KM-fl5jq
    @KM-fl5jq 5 років тому +10

    -"You capture!"
    -"No, You 1st!"

  • @markbajtay5629
    @markbajtay5629 5 років тому +6

    13:05 "VIP" very important pawn hahaha

  • @kieran1990able
    @kieran1990able 4 роки тому +3

    In recent TCEC, Stockfish finished above LCzero, that means Stockfish versions has been updated, they made massive improvement.

  • @mikemcculty2933
    @mikemcculty2933 5 років тому +3

    Thank you Agadmator, I appreciate your selective approach to AI coverage. Games like this one show AI's selection of a sacrifice for a position is superior to the old fashioned pure calculation engine that has a points-based score card of Q=9, R=5, B/N=3, P=1 has reached maximum maturity and cannot grow further. The future of computer chess is 100% AI. What's more amazing is how Stockfish doesn't slowly evaluate losing it's advantage it thinks its superior until the second it no longer is superior and it can't say it was imprecise, made a mistake or blundered, it's like air slowingly seeping from a tire. until the structure of the rubber starts flapping you don't even know you were doomed hours before when a nail went through the wall.

  • @matthaeus7762
    @matthaeus7762 5 років тому +6

    This an extremely weird game, they’re like that one beginner who only pushes pawns yet you can’t break them down and beat them somehow

    • @Dante20321
      @Dante20321 5 років тому +2

      Matthaeus maybe beginners are AlphaZero and Leela hmmm?

    • @matthaeus7762
      @matthaeus7762 5 років тому +1

      Dante202 hmmmm

    • @alexandrubragari1537
      @alexandrubragari1537 4 роки тому +1

      @glyn hodges cause psycology students are not smart at all lol

  • @TonyBurrusX
    @TonyBurrusX 5 років тому +1

    Just got to 1687 a lot in part thanks to your channel, going for 1700 soon. Keep making these videos man, this game was insane 🙌🏾

  • @denisskobalj7555
    @denisskobalj7555 5 років тому +3

    "Check out 7:37" QG6 check, then mate with QG8? what am I missing...

  • @darkrayaccel
    @darkrayaccel 5 років тому +1

    I just love to watch the engines going at each others throats. I love how some moves dont make any sense till 30 turns ahead...

  • @ChessQuizToday
    @ChessQuizToday 5 років тому +6

    After playing thousands of game with Lc0 (RTX 2080 ti) Vs. Stockfish (2950x). It has been clear for sometime that Lc0 will win TCEC (S15). Many of the weaknesses of Lc0 shown in (TCEC S14) have been corrected. Stockfish can no longer competed effectively against Lc0.

    • @marsupial2024
      @marsupial2024 5 років тому +1

      Wrong

    • @ChessQuizToday
      @ChessQuizToday 5 років тому +3

      @@marsupial2024 Have you posted the test games showing how Stockfish is better then Lc0? Or are you just a stockfish fan boy. Many of my test showing Lc0 has surpassed Stockfish are posted online for all to see. Where is your data?

  • @varmmanelangkovan3206
    @varmmanelangkovan3206 2 роки тому +1

    3:46
    That could be a needed wasting move to lose tempo that L3ela Zer0 saw 3 hundred steps ahead analysing 3 hundred thousand winnable positions simultaneously and learnt that Qd1 is the most accurate and strongest move among the other 3 diagonal dark squares for the Queen, out of the 3 million combinations of total outcomes she calculated in 3 seconds...

  • @SirEmoSushi
    @SirEmoSushi 5 років тому +5

    "this b2 pawn is protected like.... well, like a very important pawn." lmfao

  • @JosephMelia
    @JosephMelia 4 роки тому

    Probably my favorite chess channel on youtube,
    My game is very weak,but I greatly enjoy your breakdowns...

  • @amrassaf6557
    @amrassaf6557 5 років тому +5

    16:30
    "And when Stockfish captured on c3 leela brought her tongue out" and stockfish was like wtf did I do Magnus!!

  • @Radjehuty
    @Radjehuty 5 років тому

    I'm so glad you decided to cover this epic game. It really marks an end of an era...or a beginning of a new one? This whole SuFi has been so crazy to follow. This game in particular though....wow. She won both sides of it. Almost unthinkable.

  • @acarrizo82
    @acarrizo82 5 років тому +10

    #suggestion Leela Trompovsky with white pieces!!!

  • @dany.8503
    @dany.8503 5 років тому +8

    Leela creates her own Chess Principle, Amazing!

  • @terrytartu
    @terrytartu 5 років тому +5

    For me this game was mystifyingly brilliant!

  • @camipco
    @camipco 3 роки тому +2

    Protected like a very protected pawn.
    Best simile ever.

  • @markattila9835
    @markattila9835 5 років тому +3

    This game is just so beyond human, I wonder if any human player can even fully understand what is going on here. The number of variations behind these positions could have lines worth a hundred thousand GMs preparation.

    • @skalderman
      @skalderman 5 років тому

      Carlsen would know it

  • @supimjoe
    @supimjoe 5 років тому +1

    Unreal. These engine games always leave me in complete awe. Just amazing chess.

  • @mrrobot790
    @mrrobot790 5 років тому +7

    Wow todays quote is really deep, i love it!

  • @zlac
    @zlac 5 років тому +1

    Don't forget to mention that Leela knew she was better since move 18 when SF allowed that funny 3v3 pawn structure. SF preffered white even 15 moves later!

  • @baddogkelevra1
    @baddogkelevra1 5 років тому +1

    This is like watching a completely different game. I’m no master by any means, but I can almost always follow along with any human games and understand the theory while discovering a few moves myself. This however, is like two aliens playing. It’s so interesting how different these computer lines are. Definitely gives me little hope in humans winning the AI wars to come.

  • @dawn21stcentury
    @dawn21stcentury 5 років тому +26

    'Against an opponent like Leila, Stockfish isn't interested in this'...
    🤔

  • @mclaughlinja1995
    @mclaughlinja1995 4 роки тому

    17:07 One of many places where the natural human move differs from the engine move. Stockfish doesn’t bother defending the c3 pawn and Leela doesn’t bother capturing it, even though Nxc3 also simultaneously attacks the a4 and d5 pawns, only one of which can be defended. Alien” is the word that comes to mind.

  • @anananas9871
    @anananas9871 5 років тому +8

    We need a Grischuk saga!!!!

  • @pietroluppi1440
    @pietroluppi1440 5 років тому +1

    This was awesome, thanks for your analysis Agad! 🙏🏻

  • @TRock8181
    @TRock8181 5 років тому

    I don’t even play chess, but I watch all of your videos. I really like the way you show all the different outcomes that can happen. Keep it up!

  • @ahmedwaheed3153
    @ahmedwaheed3153 5 років тому +14

    Right now Leela is spanking Stockfish with a 5 game lead and 33 games to go, already it is up by more than double it lost by in their last match encounter, talk about revenge

  • @dfv671
    @dfv671 5 років тому +1

    One of the most complicated and deepest chess games I've ever seen

  • @immersionmusic
    @immersionmusic 4 роки тому +3

    "Keeping everything in check on the king side" - Agadmator 2020

  • @gauravjha8938
    @gauravjha8938 5 років тому +2

    What kind of opening & middle game was this...!!!🤯🤯🤯
    Mind blown to smithereens..😵🤯😵

  • @jkvsu
    @jkvsu 5 років тому +15

    I wanna see leela vs alphazero

    • @younesstriker2374
      @younesstriker2374 5 років тому +1

      any info of when they gonna play?

    • @joaolucaslages7792
      @joaolucaslages7792 5 років тому

      Never. Alpha Zero is no more

    • @younesstriker2374
      @younesstriker2374 5 років тому

      no more playing? and why

    • @joaolucaslages7792
      @joaolucaslages7792 5 років тому

      @@younesstriker2374 Alpha was made just for that tests. After that it was "destroied"

    • @luctip3337
      @luctip3337 5 років тому +2

      @@younesstriker2374 Alpha Zero only played chess for like 10 hours, its primary use is for science, medical etc. The Devs only used chess in order to test around with imputs and neural nets from all I know

  • @RFmath_
    @RFmath_ 5 років тому +1

    Ok one lesson to be learned is the end game lesson.. a well place minor piece (controlling queening square) and two connected pass pawns will (in most cases) beat rook(s)

  • @stojansir7999
    @stojansir7999 5 років тому +5

    Chess is evolving with engines

  • @NoEgg4u
    @NoEgg4u 5 років тому +2

    @5:20
    "This is a complete madness."
    "Just crazy calculating all the captures."

  • @hemanthkotagiri8865
    @hemanthkotagiri8865 5 років тому +17

    I was expecting Vsauce music at 8:47

  • @notpresobama1553
    @notpresobama1553 Рік тому +1

    That karpov quote is very nice

  • @richardfeynman5560
    @richardfeynman5560 5 років тому +4

    Humans will never be able to fully understand comprehend the way those machines play, it's too far above our level of skills.

    • @batistalift
      @batistalift 5 років тому

      And yet chess remains unsolved to this day. Kind of amazing.

    • @anononomous
      @anononomous 5 років тому

      Solving chess (while not currently possible) is a known and quite different problem. In a way it's a much simpler one too. It's like a brute force attack.
      Creating something that can master chess from base principles quickly and efficiently is arguably more interesting and potentially useful.

  • @stateofdecay2210
    @stateofdecay2210 5 років тому +2

    that was just crazyness, a complete madness, how a human can even think about defending a game agaist these monster Engines LOL

  • @gameelgameel5167
    @gameelgameel5167 5 років тому +5

    I want a video on the reverse if this opening ...leela won it too ??!!

    • @prithvirajpatil2996
      @prithvirajpatil2996 5 років тому +1

      Yes, Leela has won this opening playing white as well !!!

  • @bartveeken4957
    @bartveeken4957 5 років тому

    I always love your analysis. These computer vs. computer games are stunning.

  • @iYankrozHD
    @iYankrozHD 5 років тому +3

    Madness, wow.

  • @nazirnazirov9004
    @nazirnazirov9004 5 років тому +2

    Я ваш относительно недавный подписчик ...уважение за такой труд

  • @OUGAA
    @OUGAA 5 років тому +6

    Leela the real mad queen

  • @AgnaktoreX
    @AgnaktoreX Рік тому +1

    This game was so good to watch, it implements a lot of interesting positions C:

  • @timespaice
    @timespaice 5 років тому +4

    Why leela is so strong. Feel bad for Stockfish ):

    • @dramorian4486
      @dramorian4486 5 років тому

      Preprogrammed engine vs AI that learns.

  • @rolandwongwai2102
    @rolandwongwai2102 5 років тому +1

    Dude I thought stockfish was gonna win at first but that was a complete turn around plan by leela and amazing use of breaking the fundementals and opening new possibilities

  • @da_legend7050
    @da_legend7050 5 років тому +4

    Late castles
    no piece development
    No rush at taking centre
    Well there will be new chess in a few years with these machines

  • @scooldrood
    @scooldrood 5 років тому

    Engines are saying that the pieces should facilitate the structure of the pawns and not the other way around, where the pawns facilitate the positions of the pieces. After a superior structure is established by the help of the pieces, the structure helps the pieces.

  • @ivanandreevich8568
    @ivanandreevich8568 4 роки тому +9

    Who's recommending this? This is brain damaging.

  • @korporalknoung5702
    @korporalknoung5702 4 роки тому +3

    "This pawn is protected like a very important pawn"

  • @musculusiv4172
    @musculusiv4172 4 роки тому +1

    A nice idea would be to analyse both games with the same opening compared to each other to see maybe what where one side gained an advantage and to compare the different strategies/game plans that they used in the same opening

  • @nimabaradaran3471
    @nimabaradaran3471 5 років тому +4

    woooooow,I wish Leela would write GOT final season instead of those boring writers,what a sacrifice.

  • @higherlevel28
    @higherlevel28 4 роки тому +1

    Favorite part, listening to Agadmator say “Wowwww” @11:45

  • @mathistruth9105
    @mathistruth9105 4 роки тому +3

    What do you mean by "chess principles?" The center is closed and therefore development is not too important.

  • @richardfredlund3802
    @richardfredlund3802 5 років тому

    This seems like different level game to others I've seen, with really closed position and long manouvering. Really amazing game.

  • @tai_af
    @tai_af 5 років тому

    been waiting at least one tcec game and now we have it, thank u dude

  • @vrebds2484
    @vrebds2484 5 років тому +2

    4:31 🤔when *Agad* try to make move the f7 pawn to f4 still *Leela* takes back it to f5 as it did to all pieces 😀😁😇😉

  • @saarike
    @saarike 4 роки тому

    This was so complex and exciting game! Thanks a lot for thoughts and hard work. 👍