Ranked don't mean shit I don't know how long we're going to have this discussion. It is not a good way to show if a character's good. She's nowhere to be seen in brackets.
It's very possible to 5mk over juri fireball to both hit on the other side of it and possibly even stuff the DR if they try to follow it in. Yes, it can be risky, but if you understand you'll have to go back to neutral after that, you can make it do wonders. You can even block the fb after you use it. It can really help with making them think twice
@@tanzolo4487I'm a 1600 MR Manon main and it's damn sure not in Diamond a'd master rank players don't have to play neuch with the tools the game's got.
@@SuperLemonfish Is SF the only fighting games you guys played or am I missing something? What games with more neutral are you talking about? Samsho? Game has no aidashes, almost no teleports, drive rush can be checked by pressing 1 jab, if and when DR in neutral become too oppressive such as with Juri you can lab the character and learn to perfect parry it. I mean it’s the same thing as with scrubs that keep tryna jump. You lab and you find a way to beat it? Good players will learn to respect and play neutral with you once you checked them once or twice no?
@@tanzolo4487 Ive played many fighting games. sf6 has a particular lack of interesting neutral. Largely due to the common top tiers all having the ability to shut neutral down pretty easily without much counterplay. (ken, luke, DJ, Juri. Specifically.) A game like GG+r for example actually has better neutral. Sure gg neutral is crazy and high flying. But the defensive options in that game are quite strong and make it more nuanced and fun. sf6 is unfortunately one dimensional. drive rush is way too strong. "just jab" isn't at all a good enough counter to DR. it's extremely hard to react to, gives very little reward on hit considering the risk, and jab straight up loses to some buttons if they are spaced/timed a certain way. and characters have too many options to just completely negate the jab with fireball > drive rush. for example. And if you think landing that 2 frame parry on DR is a consistent answer... you must be the new best player in the world lol. Top players aren't even doing that. And part of why is because again, thats a HARD READ. with bad risk reward. If they grab you lose, if they time their button slightly late or early you lose. and your reward is a shitty scaled parry combo (unless you have level 3 stocked. although of course that's still worse reward than they would get if they hit you)
Manon feels like a season 2 character. Mediocre damage outside medal 4/5 grabs. Worst raw DR in the game. Doesnt skip neutral. This is what everyone wants after the next patch. If they leave her alone and nerf the top half to be more like her, she will be eating good.
I just think the game mechanics of sf6 don't work for manon like they do for other characters. Her sf6 specific tools are all kinda trash. Manon would definitely be a REALLY good sfv character imo. Just because she's so neutral focused and has really good footsie tools. But people who actually play neutral in sf6 is hard to come by
I think 801 Strider would be a better "Why you should play Manon" video. He'll actually break down more legitimately why you SHOULDNT play Manon lol. Idom weirdly thinks Manon isn't as bad as she is and I don't understand his defense about her.
No I don't think YOU understand he just likes playing her. Even if she is low tier, she's essentially the only character Idom enjoys playing in this game. Playing a character you like, a character you feel you gel with, a character that doesn't feel like you're forced to play them is liberating. Don't be so logical all the time, learn how to feel. It'll actually make you a better player. TLDR: Idom feels, you do not.
nah your spitting here, he touched on some minor weaknesses but not really the big weaknesses. I honestly think her neutral is kinda a big nothing burger. Half her normals loose to DI. So they have good hitboxes but I think pretty awfull frame data. And not scary enough to not make you mash on her pressure.
Idom was beating people with Laura even when people said she was bottom tier. He was only really losing to Punk. Probably why he feels the way he does about Manon.
Choosing Manon when the game came out is the worst decision I've taken since playing FGs. I don't have a main in SF6 yet and I shouldn't have done that I should have waited for season 2 or 3 or whenever he's gonna come out. If he ever does. Manon was not worth it.
Nice try idom. I know your Manon is literally the best and you hold it down for NY, but come on bro. Manon is bottom 1 in this game rn. Not Lily, not Honda. People don't fear or get annoyed by her setplay. Even though Honda and Lily have more elementary gameplans, they still manage to confound opponents. Manon only gets her medals from being very aggressive or by punishing attacks. Her neutral pokes are good but almost everybody is skipping neutral. You might as well be telling us to suffer by playing her.
@marlinmurrell620 lmao so you think French women typically have masculine features? What im saying is that the character model for manon is clearly a male
@kazzykaioken8873 if you think a woman being 6ft tall and has big feet means their a male, then idk what to tell you. Given that she clearly has the hips and chest of a woman. Just because a woman has a couple masculine features, doesn't mean they're male lmao
How to master Manon? Main her, suffer for about a year, then wait for balance patch, solved.
same with kimberly lol
This was my exact idea
Add Jamie to the list
Adding AKI to this list
Balance patch might not even be in her favor
SF6: 9 good characters
3rd Strike: 3 good characters
So things are improving!
Ken, Luke, JP, Chun li, Cammy, Juri, Dee Jay, Guile and Blanka are not the only good characters
@@jayro792they are the rest are ok
@@jayro792they are
Good timing with this video, Akutagawa made it to Rank #1 with Manon.
Ranked don't mean shit I don't know how long we're going to have this discussion. It is not a good way to show if a character's good. She's nowhere to be seen in brackets.
@@numa2k147i don’t think manon is a very good character for tournaments but for online warriors? U can play pretty much anyone and see success
Cant wait to see someone on here trying to spin Honda as a good character.
Absolutely love manon. She fits my style of play. Methodical finesse in neutral
Also why I love dhalsim lol
How are you gonna get Snake Eyez? 😅
It's very possible to 5mk over juri fireball to both hit on the other side of it and possibly even stuff the DR if they try to follow it in. Yes, it can be risky, but if you understand you'll have to go back to neutral after that, you can make it do wonders. You can even block the fb after you use it. It can really help with making them think twice
Aye been waiting for this
Keep up the good work king
Showing the level 2 drop is nasty work 😂
I'd love to see one of these for Jamie!
her problem is she's a neutral character in a game with no neutral XD
yup, about sums it up
Get out of plat, you’ll see neuch
@@tanzolo4487I'm a 1600 MR Manon main and it's damn sure not in Diamond a'd master rank players don't have to play neuch with the tools the game's got.
@@tanzolo4487 im master.
only some matchups with certain players, have any neutral. It's truly optional in this game.
neutral? skip!
@@SuperLemonfish Is SF the only fighting games you guys played or am I missing something? What games with more neutral are you talking about? Samsho? Game has no aidashes, almost no teleports, drive rush can be checked by pressing 1 jab, if and when DR in neutral become too oppressive such as with Juri you can lab the character and learn to perfect parry it. I mean it’s the same thing as with scrubs that keep tryna jump. You lab and you find a way to beat it? Good players will learn to respect and play neutral with you once you checked them once or twice no?
@@tanzolo4487 Ive played many fighting games. sf6 has a particular lack of interesting neutral. Largely due to the common top tiers all having the ability to shut neutral down pretty easily without much counterplay. (ken, luke, DJ, Juri. Specifically.)
A game like GG+r for example actually has better neutral. Sure gg neutral is crazy and high flying. But the defensive options in that game are quite strong and make it more nuanced and fun.
sf6 is unfortunately one dimensional. drive rush is way too strong. "just jab" isn't at all a good enough counter to DR. it's extremely hard to react to, gives very little reward on hit considering the risk, and jab straight up loses to some buttons if they are spaced/timed a certain way.
and characters have too many options to just completely negate the jab with fireball > drive rush. for example.
And if you think landing that 2 frame parry on DR is a consistent answer... you must be the new best player in the world lol. Top players aren't even doing that. And part of why is because again, thats a HARD READ. with bad risk reward. If they grab you lose, if they time their button slightly late or early you lose. and your reward is a shitty scaled parry combo (unless you have level 3 stocked. although of course that's still worse reward than they would get if they hit you)
Thanks 🎉
kizzie's pretty funny, everyone seems to like him
Why not make an updated video on why you should know frame data and how to read/understand frame data..
She's fun to play, but it does get stressful fighting anyone in master rank.
7:33 is this pre patch? God damn this is sad lol
Manon feels like a season 2 character. Mediocre damage outside medal 4/5 grabs. Worst raw DR in the game. Doesnt skip neutral. This is what everyone wants after the next patch. If they leave her alone and nerf the top half to be more like her, she will be eating good.
I just think the game mechanics of sf6 don't work for manon like they do for other characters. Her sf6 specific tools are all kinda trash. Manon would definitely be a REALLY good sfv character imo. Just because she's so neutral focused and has really good footsie tools. But people who actually play neutral in sf6 is hard to come by
I am a Manon master... It sucks ass to see that all chara being buff are devs favorites...
She doesn't have many options
I would play her but her character model doesn't look good to me.
I think 801 Strider would be a better "Why you should play Manon" video. He'll actually break down more legitimately why you SHOULDNT play Manon lol. Idom weirdly thinks Manon isn't as bad as she is and I don't understand his defense about her.
No I don't think YOU understand he just likes playing her. Even if she is low tier, she's essentially the only character Idom enjoys playing in this game. Playing a character you like, a character you feel you gel with, a character that doesn't feel like you're forced to play them is liberating. Don't be so logical all the time, learn how to feel. It'll actually make you a better player.
TLDR: Idom feels, you do not.
He said Manon is low tier like a million times.
@@markmessi9020 I main Manon, go away.
nah your spitting here, he touched on some minor weaknesses but not really the big weaknesses. I honestly think her neutral is kinda a big nothing burger. Half her normals loose to DI. So they have good hitboxes but I think pretty awfull frame data. And not scary enough to not make you mash on her pressure.
Idom was beating people with Laura even when people said she was bottom tier. He was only really losing to Punk. Probably why he feels the way he does about Manon.
I feel like we needed Randumb to explain this he been doing better in tournaments than idom lol
These videos need to be a lil longer bro
Good luck potential manon players lol
Get Broaki for Aki
Choosing Manon when the game came out is the worst decision I've taken since playing FGs. I don't have a main in SF6 yet and I shouldn't have done that I should have waited for season 2 or 3 or whenever he's gonna come out. If he ever does. Manon was not worth it.
Wait so what character is it your waiting for?
I’m waiting for a few myself but I love playing manon and dhalsim right now
I wonder who it will be for Chun Li
Nice try idom. I know your Manon is literally the best and you hold it down for NY, but come on bro. Manon is bottom 1 in this game rn. Not Lily, not Honda. People don't fear or get annoyed by her setplay. Even though Honda and Lily have more elementary gameplans, they still manage to confound opponents. Manon only gets her medals from being very aggressive or by punishing attacks. Her neutral pokes are good but almost everybody is skipping neutral. You might as well be telling us to suffer by playing her.
Commenting on every video requesting Makoto’s BBCF combo trials, video 90.
Oh look the proud narcissist.
i made it to master with Manon. One of my best achievements ever. Fight me CFN RasA1Ghul
Encouraging grapplers? Nah, this ain't it, kizzie. Knock that off
Grapplers are a great archetype
Stop with this remedial take
MANon is like 6ft+, has a strong jawline, bigger feet than ryu and broad shoulders...
Maybe cause she's French? Idk.
I don't know what you're yapping about tbh
@marlinmurrell620 lmao so you think French women typically have masculine features? What im saying is that the character model for manon is clearly a male
@@kazzykaioken8873 You're weird as hell.
@kazzykaioken8873 if you think a woman being 6ft tall and has big feet means their a male, then idk what to tell you. Given that she clearly has the hips and chest of a woman. Just because a woman has a couple masculine features, doesn't mean they're male lmao
What’s funny is that in the into she’s listed at 5’9 which is clearly not the case standing next to 5’8 ryu or 6’5 zangief