"Dinosaurs? Aren't they just giant prehistoric lizards? Why are there feathers? They're not birds. You writers need to take some science classes!" - Producer guy who graduated in business
Also, if the herbivorous dinosaurs are actually, you know, herbivores, make sure that all of them are docile, gentle creatures that wouldn’t hurt a fly. Ignoring the fact that most large herbivores are aggressive, highly territorial creatures that kill hundreds of people every year more than most carnivores ever could. And also ignoring the fact that many herbivorous dinosaurs had horns the length of people, armour embedded into their skin, and tails that could possibly break the sound barrier. And while we’re at it, let’s just make hadrosaurs total pushovers that are just fodder for T-rex, raptors, and other large theropods, despite many of them being larger than elephants and much bigger than many of their predators. Because a seven tonne Parasaurolophus would totally succumb to a pack of man-sized raptors not just squash them like bugs.
@@petrfedor1851 I would love to se a piece of media where the main characters have to travel through a field that’s covered in quicksand pits created by sauropod footprints.
In our own world like in Africa, large herbivores like Elephants (especially bull males) are often the main source of human - wildlife conflict. active predators like Lions and Hyaenas pail in comparison
Yeah it's quite often that dinosaurs are treated more like fantasy creatures than real animals, at that point the story might as well be about actual monsters that are just inspired by dinos, which some stories do to be completely fair.
Made me think, maybe me and other paleonerds are just annoyed that the names of our favorite dinosaurs are just slapped onto monsters that barely resemble them (cof cof Giganotosaurus, cof cof Jurassic World). If they did something like Monster Hunter were the creatures are based on dinosaurs but they are their own thing, no one would mind I think.
Yeah, many works really stretch what a "dragon" is, for instance. From giant winged reptiles to basically Pokemons with different types and abilities. Even for less fantastic works, making up new creatures sounds like the most logical approach.
I just realised how many new models of dinosaurs had to be drawn that would be used just for this 1 video Your struggles were not in vain, JP. These are some sick dinosaurs
My favorite part of writing dinosaur (or really any carnivorous animal) is when writers think they don’t have any self-preservation instincts and make them do downright suicidal things in order to chase the protagonist. Also, don’t forget to make all therapods scaled down version of T-Rex because that’s probably the only Dino the writer knows.
You are so right, that’s totally how they would’ve behaved in -movies- real life. Of course that Baryonyx would follow the tiny humans into an underground lair that is quickly filling with lava, and of course that Carnotaurus would pick a fight with a random Sinoceratops even though a volcano has literally erupted right behind it.
Not to mention a t Rex would probably ignore humans as food because we are too small to be worth the effort of chasing. If they did try and chase us it would be for a few second before they decided it was too much effort. It would be like a lion spending its whole day chasing a mouse. It's just not worth it.
This is one of the reasons I have so much nostalgia for Transformers' Dinobots. As robots they don't need feathers, and all paleontological inaccuracies can be explained by the fact that they are aliens who thought dinosaur fossils were cool. Plus they combine robots with a 1980's idea of dinosaurs. Just perfect nostalgia. 🥰
Not really a _Transformers_ fan (or dinosaurs fan at this point), but yeah, Grimlock & gang and even the dinosaur bots--including Dinobot--in _Beast Wars_ are both cool and have built-in excuses for being "inaccurate".
My respect for J.P. just went through the roof with the amount of dinosaur knowledge he displayed in that "Well actually..." segment. Also, on the topic of telling interesting, emotional stories with scientifically accurate dinosaurs, I just have to say David Attenborough's Prehistoric Planet nails it on the head. 👌
@@unicorntomboy9736 Eventually Prehistoric Planet will also be old and outdated. That's what happens when science marches on and new discoveries are made. It's part of the joy of watching old shows like Walking with Dinosaurs, seeing what the scientific vision of Dinosaurs was like at the time and how its changed in the years since in the light of new evidence.
"Now why am I writing about dinosaurs, which is an incredibly niche topic?" Because you're sick of the terrible Jurassic Park sequels and want some modern takes on the genre that are actually good or at the very least mediocre?
@@starmaker75 man the new jurassic world movie has feathered dinos, so does prehistoric planet, the 2016 land before time sequel of all things (send help why is there so many) and a bunch of video games all have feathered dinos
I’ve actually been working on a story similar to Jurassic Park, yet it is built to function like an actual zoo with the only reason for escapes is due to attacks from an extremist animal rights organization. Also it includes much more realistic dinosaurs.
All of this can be applied to dragons as well. They are hella cool creatures that often overwhelm a setting and make it feel lacking at in meaningful normal interactions.
The one thing that doesn't apply to dragons for the most part is inaccuracy since they don't exist. That said you CAN critique people for giving them wings that would not remotely be able to lift them off the ground, so even the inaccuracy point sometimes does apply. I am sick of seeing dragons with tiny wings full of holes.
@@catpoke9557 To be completely fair, while holes in wings are just stupid, I don't think most people are going to care if the wings are too small because they left their expectations for reality somewhere around the part where dragons breathe fire and are, y'know, real. You're somewhat in the minority here.
@@leviappe9686 I think there's a limit. I don't mind when they're SLIGHTLY off. But I've seen dragons the size of a t-rex with wings the size of a harpy eagle's. It's so far beyond possible that it just looks silly and ruins suspension of disbelief. I don't think I'm in the minority in regards to hating these mini-wings considering they just look dumb.
One of the best depictions of dragons in fantasy is Realm of the Elderlings series by Robin Hobb. It's super interesting, they metamorphose from sea serpents using cocoons and they pass on generational memories through chemicals in their cocoons.
@@catpoke9557 So what's your take on Chinese Dragons, that fly despite _not having any wings at all?_ 🐉If there's a sufficient amount of "magic" in the fictional universe to provide lift, _who cares?_ Pegasi and "angelic" humanoids aren't really aerodynamic either. -Although I do agree that sometimes super-tiny wings on a large creature can look stupid. Unless perhaps "stupid-looking" is the point, and it's a deliberately comical depiction.-
@@draxiss1577 I was today years old when I found out that it wasn't the other way around. For the record, we learned about the Thagumizer in my college Paleo course, taught by an actual paleontologist. He even showed the comic. It never occurred to me that the comic inspired the name of that body part.
write them as animals because that is what they are. the stereotype of the carnivores being some kind of sadistic murder machines should be dispensed with in future films, and it's what the vast majority of these films are about. i think the show Camp Cretaceous does a sorta decent job of portraying Rexy at least, as just another animal on the island. id like to see a dinosaur movie where the main threat is a herbivore
I'd recommend the show prehistoric planet. It's basically a dinosaur nature documentary. It does a great job of depicting dinosaurs as actual animals, even if a lot of their behaviour is ultimately very speculative.
Unironically the Triceratops is one of the single most underutilized dinosaurs in film history. This fucking thing could reliably kill a T Rex in a 1-1 fight, and if it existed today would most likely be extremely aggressive and ill tempered just like wild ungulates today so having it go on a rampage probably wouldn't even be inaccurate
@@ethanphilpot7643 I feel like most herbivorous dinosaurs are under-utilised in media. They’re usually treated like giant, docile, friendly creatures, ignoring the fact that some of them had horns the length of a grown man, built in armour covering their backs and tails, and tails that could possibly break the sound barrier when swung, and also ignoring the fact that herbivorous animals are usually way more aggressive than carnivorous animals. Even with less armoured dinosaurs like hadrosaurs, most of them were still around the size of elephants, if not bigger, so they could probably defend themselves relatively easily if they had to. Hell, I remember this one trend on twitter where paleo artists got together and drew hadrosaurs doing things like fighting each other or killing smaller dinosaurs.
@@ineednochannelyoutube2651 It's a fun popcorn flick, though it still has too many of the standard clichés of modern action movies (e.g. shoed-in romance that adds next to nothing to the plot).
@@unicorntomboy9736 They should have stopped after Jurassic Park. The Lost World was the best sequel, and JP3 had its highlights, but no JP sequel will ever live up to the original.
Even when he's talking about an entirely different subject you still learn something new to improve in your stories. Thank you TWA. (For example a bounty hunter I am writing has an accidental movie dinosaur motif, and the line describing how a hunt should work completely rephrased my opinion on how to write them)
@@g.f.martianshipyards9328 lol, no not really. (In fact they are definitely more murder oriented in a way that isn't just implied, also they aren't human)
As a massive Palaeontology nerd, I feel so called out by this XD. Legit though, I was laughing the whole way through. This is exactly why I loved the original Jurassic Park, but feel dimly about the Jurassic World franchise. The first JP had its roots in the current science of the time, while also taking some creative liberties for cool hollywood action. It showed both the majesty and danger of Dinosaurs, which has been completely lost in the JW franchise, which threw out any care of love for Palaeontology in light of "Wow, cool dangerous Dinosaurs!"
You might want to check out Dead Sounds channel. He recently an animated short series with dinosaurs. They make some appearances in his previous animations as well.
I've found a passion for evolutionary history and I'm right there with you. Um, excuse me sir, but dimetrodons are actually more closely related to mammals than to reptiles. They're an early group of synapsids, the sister group of the sauropsids, that branched off Hey, where is everybody going?
The thing about Jurassic Park is that you could replace the dinosaurs with ordinary large animals and the plot would still have been the same (assuming all of the humans still had motives for doing what they did). Conversely, if the park had had physical barriers like cliffs and moats, like normal zoos do, instead of relying solely on electric fences with no backup plan (or if it hadn't given a single employee power over the only thing keeping the dinos contained), the dinosaurs wouldn't have escaped and everything would have been fine. The film is trying to say that bringing back dinos is bad, but what I'm seeing is that keeping dangerous wildlife in a slipshod fashion is bad.
Unfortunately there's an element of lost-in-translation between the book and the movie there: the book leans heavily on chaos theory for the park's failure, while the movie simplifies it all away(neatly represented in the revelation of the dinos breeding - it's an important plot point in the book, but basically nowhere in the movie).
@@angrymokyuu9475 I remember how the dinosaurs in the books were established to be genetic disasters, prone to medical issues, dangerous unpredictable behaviour, foul odours, etc. really laying on the idea that these creatures do not belong in the modern world.
I didn't take the film to be saying that resurrecting dinosaurs was bad. Or, really, anything about dinosaurs. I always saw the dinosaurs as a means to the theme, and not the theme itself. I took it to be about the corrupting influence of greed. Nedry's greed makes him feel like he deserves more; Hammond's greed makes him cut costs on just about everything, including Nedry; and these two combine to lead to Nedry sabotaging the park. Sprinkle in the concepts of chaos, with the random event of a hurricane...
"Don Bluth Traumatised My Childhood Support Group" legit needs to be a thing 💀 You know the worst thing about calling Dimetrodon a dinosaur? It wasn't even a reptile. It was a synapsid, the same part of the family tree which mammals belong to. It's literally more closely related to the human calling it a dinosaur than a dinosaur!
I'm so sure the "Don Bluth Traumatized My Childhood Support Group" exists as a Tumblr or a Facebook page somewhere. If not, then what the hell is wrong with people in my generation?
3:13 To be fair, Brontosaurus is currently a valid genius after it was revived back in 2015. If I remember, there are around three species and Robert T. Baker has been ecstatic and vindicated since. 3:46 Eh... Kinda? So as a member of a family, Carnotaurus is part of the Abelisauridae, a group of generally basal carnivores which were known to develop thick, deep skulls and rugose or horny ornamentation over the course of their history. Of course, the animal likely fought in shoving matches between rivals, though it is proposed that they may have whacked opponents and prey along their sides thanks to the thick skull and horns - an idea that was also proposed to it's Madagascan counterpart, Majungasaurus. Of course, it's hard to assert a definite position on such an idea because, as you've referenced, nobody is sure just how strong or durable the dinosaur's neck is.😅 3:48 As it turns out, there's one more surprise about Dilophosaurus - it's head. In a recent paper literally from this year, there was an entire overhaul to the dinosaur and the implications of it's evolution. The two crests on it's head that gave it it's name were much more thick and extensions of the skull as opposed to merely two separate and thin crests. These portions housed powerful muscles that helped augment the power of it's bite. Also, what had once been a long jaw with a kink was actually the result of a damaged skull. In reality, the head was a bit more robust and similar to other early large carnivores. 4:09 Honestly, I ain't got much to say about this. My only gripe is that the wings on the Dromes should be "complete" in so much as they were like bird wings with primary feathers covering all but the first finger (the second finger acted as an anchor like modern birds). As for pack hunting, that's a contentious issue. Me personally, if such a possibility was on the table, I doubt they'd be as sophisticated as mammalian predators. It's possible (and I'm really stretching that term) as we see a level of gregariousness in other, larger carnivores (allosauroids and tyrannosauroids) and some scant evidence in Dromaeosaurids, though it could be that these were small family groups. 5:05 So a T. rex as an adult ain't going to outrun anyone. What it will do is stalk a target and then surprise it. Yes, they're slow, but they only need to be so fast to catch animals even slower with lower metabolisms. Keep in mind that T. rex can move at maximum of up to 15 mph, which is impressive for a forty foot long, thirteen foot tall, nine ton murder machine. Then couple the fact that it's stride length is gonna be relatively long and that it has the respiration of a bird. People in general run about 8 mph. I'm not saying a T. rex adults are going to waste energy chasing people. But I am saying people aren't as nimble as you may think. And keep in mind I'm talking about the big ones. The teens are a totally different animal, especially ecologically. 5:59 So I actually agree with this. As someone who admits to see the Jurassic Park series as an annoyance (not just because of the inaccuracies, but because even I can point out some huge problems with the plot), I get annoyed when people start gatekeeping like this. I'm a self-admitted dick, but I want people to still be able to enjoy and spread the thing I love. As bad as the current films are, I still see the JP/JW franchise as a way to get the general public interested in the field of Paleontology. I still remember being awes by the first film and enjoying the second one when my dad took me to the cinema as a surprise. Yeah, it sounds like a "I hate you 'cause I love you" kinda deal and at the end of the day, it is. We're talking about a multi-billion dollar franchise that is essentially how most people get into the science. With every feathered Pyroraptor they show off, there's two scaly Deinonychus expies in the way. In that sense, if your going to be the main entry point to something all I want is for you to be good at it. The thing about science is that it's always evolving - the more we understand, the more ideas either form or get dropped. That's the name of the game. That said, I also agree that just like with any nerd fandoms, there's going to be a fan-dumb menace acting like elitist snobs blocking entry or, unironically enough, promoting outdated ideas because new stuff flies in the face of their personal canon. I've seen people get pissed over the idea of feathered dinosaurs. Hell, there was a recent issue where some guys got mad that the T. rex in Prehistoric Planet (we in the fandom have since named him "Hank") was shown as an attentive dad and thus labeled "woke." People like me can't stand those guys. 8:41 I think there's already a dinosaur Watership Down. In fact, there's a whole series. It's called Age of Reptiles and it's a comic series created by Ricardo Delgado. The series details the lives of various dinosaurs in different environments and focuses on themes like violence, gang wars, resource competition, revenge, betrayal, etc.
It's worth pointing out, though, that Carnotaurus' leg muscles attatched a good way down the tail, meaning that it was very good at running fast. Combine that with its barrel chest and tough skull, and it could possibly have been a ramming pursuit predator.
@@thunderblood6603 Nah this seems to be a video has a lot to do around talking about realistic dinos and the discussion of, the only reason people would do that is if they are bots or because you mentioned it
The animated series “Primal” actually nails the Characterization part. The main duo are a caveman and a T-rex who bonded by their shared trauma of losing their respective families. The show is like a nature documentary that was directed by a metal album cover artist, and I love it. It’s both emotionally and physically gruesome to watch.
Nah, its more fantasy setting, you have weird monsters like zombie dino, nothing like nature documentary, the setting is cool though doesnt have to be realistic
I wouldn't call Primal a nature documentary. There's witchcraft, zombie viruses, steroid liquids, and violence beyond what you see in any non-war documentary. It's cool, but nowhere near documentary material.
Well Spear was heavily based off of Conan the Cimmerian so I think it's best to think of Fang as the dinosaur equivalent of Conan in terms of how realistic her abilities actually are.
I loved the “Dinotopia” books as a kid. That’s a story about a father and son who shipwreck in a lost continent that has people and herbivore dinosaurs living alongside each other. There are carnivorous Dinos too but they live in their own valley and people wisely leave them be.
I watched Dinotopia as a kid. It was one of my favourite videos to watch. My mum still had a VCR so I thought it was just a really long movie back then, it wasn't until late highschool that I found out it was actually a three part mini series.
I’ve always loved dinosaurs. I think that if velociraptors were around today, they’d be kind of like dogs. Just super sociable due to being pack hunters.
*How the dinosaurs went extinct:* The T-Rex saw a huge boulder and kicked it into the orbit as the rock faded away into nothingness. Years later, the boulder paid a visit to Earth as a meteor to get revenge on the dinosaurs.
That's how the show "Dinosaurs" should have ended. Yeah, there was an extinction episode, but it was more of an allegory about what global warming/climate change will do to the Earth if we're not careful. We get enough of that preachy crud already. Now, an episode where Earl (the dad who gets beaten by that pink baby who sounds like Elmo from "Sesame Street") kicks a boulder carelessly, only for it to come back years later, that's a more subtle take on how bad judgment and worse decisions in the past can ruin the future.
Also: the trope of large herbivorous dinos being totally defenseless and/or peaceful, despite many modern large herbivores often being even more dangerous than carnivores.
"it's almost like treating science as a religion defeats the entire point" +10 billion respect points for that statement. not that j.p. didn't already have a lot of those just for wanting to help people become better writers in an entertaining and thought out format.
If you're interested, "Evolution," by Stephen Baxter, kind of does the "dinosaur watership down" concept, though more with direct human ancestors (starting with the Cretaceous). It has stories from the perspective of little rodent-like critters, proto-monkeys, apes, etc. And then post-humans. Plus some vignettes from the dinos' viewpoints.
8:36 Dinosaur _Watership Down._ If this sounds like something you'd want to read, I've read a book called _Raptor Red,_ which follows the life of a Utahraptor. It's not perfect, but was written by a genuine paleontologist. It can be a bit dry sometimes, and unlike _Watership Down_ there is no "talking" between the dinosaurs.
When I was a child, my favorite book series was one that told scientifically accurate (for the time) stories about dinosaurs and other extinct animals. Actual stories, mind you, and while the plot in a kid's book obviously wasn't anything super deep, the fact that they treated the dinosaurs as characters and not props made me love it more than the books that only had facts in them. I think the author's name was Rupert Oliver.
one piece has all of them, with one time having them all at once in the same place (wano arc had dinosaurs, dragons, and a character with half his face covered).
@@jasonbrose6743 Wait Wano has dinosaurs? EDIT: Oh right. I completely forgot that the elite in Kaido's crew can turn into dinosaurs and other extinct animals.
@@blackknightjack3850 Those dinosaurs also went the route of "let them do whatever" too. I'm pretty sure triceratops did not use its frills to propell itself through the air like a helicopter. But in the fantastical world of One Piece, this really was how dinosaurs hunted in ancient times.
I wrote a medieval story in wich some dudes in armor rode Feathered Pachys into battle and worked as shock cavalry with big lances, its also nice to be able to use them as a narrative resource when the characters are working with their pens, grooming, rising these creatures from egg, making them specialized saddles and armor, and just playing with the little ones by putting on a helmet and having headbutting contests xD
So I just googled "pachy" to see what you were talking about, found out it was a nickname for "Pachycephalosaurus" (which I _copied and pasted- there is NO WAY I would spell that right!_ X^p), then _looked up images of THAT..._ ...OMG! *Cranidos* is based on a _real dinosaur!_ o_0
9:20 In the game Jurassic Park: Trespasser dinos used to have complicated behaviors, but it was scrapped and replaced with dinos being murder machines, because they were forced to ship it before it was even remotely finished.
My additions as a dino fan: - Amber and bones are too old to possess proper DNA that can be used to clone or resurrect prehistoric creatures. -All prehistoric creatures filled respective niches in their environment, and weren't either murder machines or herbivores. -Herbivores are just as capable of being as deadly as carnivores under the right circumstances. -Larger prehistoric creatures were powerhouses. However, they needed to consume large amounts of food while simultaneously using as little energy as possible. This is why certain creatures travel in packs or will scavenge from dead corpses. It is easier to do this than always look after yourself and always expending energy hunting. -Diseases and other pathogens exist. Infections also exist. Both are deadly, and we do not know what current-era pathogens could affect dinosaurs, not do we know what prehistoric pathogens might do to modern-era creatures. Neither would likely have natural resistances to the other's pathogens. -Much like modern oceans, prehistoric waters had a plentiful variety of life- enough of which could probably kill you. -Flora, bugs, and small mammals were alive during different periods. A darting dragonfly, a bulbous cycad, an unfurling fern, moist moss, marching ants, buzzing insects, and scurrying mammals all help add life to a world. The small things matter just as much as the dinosaurs. -Humans would likely not have to fear large dinos until you got into their territory or enraged them. You would most likely be hunted by theropods or scavengers that were a several tons, more nimble, and regular hunt smaller prey, or by creatures that hunted in packs like lions or wolves. -Dinosaur intelligence ranged from cow-like to dog-like. However, they likely could not be tamed unless there were extenuating circumstances explaining how a species became more tame. -Psittacosaurus had quills on its tail. Quills are still being investigated in other dinosaur species. Protofeathers also existed on dinos. They did not all have scaly bodies like alligators, devoid of hair or feathers. -That being said, dinosaur skin on larger dinos likely felt like an alligator's, and likely looked like one too. -Dinos were likely more earthy tones or blended more into their environment. Bright colors were likely rare naturally (probably appearing on specific species) or the result of some mutation like albinism or the like. Looking at modern animals in different ecosystems may give an idea of what colors dinos possibly looked like. -Dinos would be tough to kill, even by modern standards. Elephant guns and high-caliber weapons would have the best chances of felling large dinos swiftly. Smaller arms would likely hurt or sting them and cause them to become enraged. At you. And everything else nearby. -There is no hard evidence for dinosaurs having venom or being poisonous. That being said, it may not have been impossible- but you would not be violating any known science by simply saying they did not. -Pterosaurs likely rode wind currents like modern birds. Flapping wings uses a lot of energy, while gliding is easier. -There are -*-lots-*- of dinos and prehistoric creatures. Limiting yourself to the famous ones tends to take away originality and creativity. Internet searching and libraries can introduce you to creatures you- or your audience- may not have known before. Throw more popular creatures around for familiarity, and use lesser-known creatures for interest and intrigue. Both will keep your audience's attention if you balanced things right. -Having a glossary in the back or end of a book could help with identifying unfamiliar creatures or flora in a written work. These are some things people tend to forget when it comes to dinos and prehistoric creatures.
Writer: "How about genetically enhanced dinosaur that's super smart? They think and reason which could lead understanding dinos and humans. Imagine how many stories we could make, plus the super dino would have they're own character arc too!" Somebody else: yeah all that sounds boring and new. But the super smart stuff is cool so... Super smart murder machine it is!
Dinotopia , th arlier series, and more boring later, actually have a hidden island of human and dinosaurs living together. Or you could ride dinos. Dino pet companions like pokemon, or even better digimon. Or dinosaur alien scalies(furries)?! Allrthat is more interesting than a murder mashine, but that baaaad!
"Sorry to ruin childhoods" Imho I'd disagree, if it had some of the best vision out of most predatory animals, intellect of a chimp and was thick as hell I'd say it's quite an upgrade
I also really love the bullet/explosionproof dinosaurs from jurassic world. They just evolved to perfect american killers through natural selection... or frogs I guess
@@dabbinghitlersmemes1762 I mean to like pistol rounds & smaller rifle rounds. Any full sized rifle cartridge would blow away most dinosaurs and kill large crocodiles.
@@rhorynotmylastname7781 The strongest comparison in size to the dinosaurs is the Indian elephant. And they have special dedicated guns specifically to hunt them. Now here is a creature that’s weighed around 20(?) times their size and we have an issue. Most guns would piss off the bigger ones
@@americanidiot41 Not true, maybe the largest ones but if you shot it in the head it would still die. Things like .30-06, .45-70, and .308 will kill any dinosaur if you shit it in the head. And a large elephant hunting caliber would blow it away.
Well I actually think the discussion about the moral, ecological and philosophical implications of bringing dinosaurs back to life in the original Jurassic park was actually some of the most interesting stuff in the movie. Also you missed out on the trope that the big bad dinosaur in the first movie of a dinosaur movie franchise is a T-Rex. but in the sequels T. rex has got to be trounced and killed by a supposedly bigger and scarier dinosaur to up the stakes of the movies. Even though it’s doubtful such animals could actually win against T. rex.
The first JP using T. rex is part of what makes it work as a standalone story, as far as land predators go there's no escalating beyond it, gets besides more of them like TLW did, if the writers of JP3 onward were creative they would use non Dinosaur carnivores or herbivorous Dinosaurs as antagonists instead of trying to 1 up T. rex.
@@angrymokyuu9475 To be honest you're not entirely wrong. Don't get me wrong, rex would definitely beat spino in this hypothetical fight, but if a spino did get a hit in it could potentially be bad enough that the rex would later die from that single hit. Those claws and those teeth are no joke. Get a rex on the throat and it could actually die a few hours or days later. That said it is very likely a spino would get absolutely demolished before it could get a hit in, and there's no guarantee that any hits it gets in would even be one of these fatal hits that I mentioned. But yeah, the fact a spino could potentially kill a rex through bleeding or infection is why a rex would have no reason to even try to fight one. In fights between animals, just because you win the fight doesn't mean you will survive after it's over.
@@catpoke9557 Doesn't matter what a Tyrannosaurus could do, because the JP T-Rexes are clones with DNA from modern animals mixed in, same as every other dinosaur in the series. The JP Rex is clearly inferior to the real deal, but even then most other large theropods aren't as well explored. I could see a Giganotosaurus or Carcharodontosaurus being considerably bigger or more massive than a Tyrannosaurus, for instance.
If anyone's brave enough to title the first three chapters of their next dino epic "Opening the Door", "Getting on the Floor" and "Everybody, Walk!", I'll read it out of respect.
To anyone saying that feathers would ruin the dinosaurs’s imitation factor, look how ostrich actually act and tell people who own chicken about how aggressive chicken can be.
if anything feathers can be used for more cool-ness! imagine putting an alien bird-reptile on an equally alien earth, showing the cool, now-extinct creatures that look straight out of avatar!
@@renard6012 Geese aren't intimidating, they're infuriating Yes they can make me bleed But they're such assholes that it's worth it to be able to break their stupid neck in the process if they try
This video answered my lifelong question on why I never got into dinosaurs. Alot of interesting sci fi/fantasy monsters at least have some kind of gimmick that makes them unique from one another and irreplaceable. Even if they're not unique, monsters like the Titans, Terminators, Xenomorph, and the Upside Down creatures can become iconic because it's fun trying to find out how the hell they work and how you're supposed to beat them. Even the most overplayed ones like zombies, werewolves, and vampires can still have fun, creative ways to use their monster gimmick. But dinosaurs are always just massive beasts that rampage and eat everything they see for no reason. You could literally replace them with any giant ass monster that wants to eat you and the conflict is functionally no different.
Actually coca cola didn't invent santa's look. There were several variations, including the red suit version floating around. The red suit version was made popular by a widespread, illustrated version of the night before christmas that came out way back when. Coke did eventually did make this version even more popular, but they didn't invent it.
I feel this video is well (or poorly?) timed considering Prehistoric Planet came out relatively recently. As a big nerd about biology I’m pleased about the acknowledgment about modern dino knowledge (and also the fact that you shouldn’t be forced to include all of it in a purely creative work, either).
I have been hanging out with some friends' kids. There's nothing that makes me feel quite so much like sitting an exam I haven't studied for than talking about dinosaurs with them.
@@WhiteFangofWar No no no, you see, the reason Lightyear did poorly at the boxoffice was because _there WEREN'T_ any dinosaurs! _That's_ the problem!! 😁1:32 -(This is coming from someone who hasn't actually seen it, btw.)-
This came out at the perfect time. I was just thinking about writing a dinosaur story from the dinosaurs' perspective, thinking that I should do plenty of research and come up with my own creative interpretations of dinosaurs, but you proved that that's a terrible idea. Instead I'll make the story about love triangles and dino fights
Concept: Take dinosaurs and inspire their behaviour on modern-day birds. Owl-inspired dinosaur which acts like a cranky moron with sharp claws. Crow-inspired dinosaur that is a happy and silly guy and yet smarter than everyone. Parrot-inspired dinosaur that is a lil' shid Goose-inspired dinosaur that would fight god for literally no reason, despite actually not having the fight skills to actually back up all that anger.
Shrike dinosaur that impales prey on sharp objects to save it for later. Swan dinosaur that can and will beat you up despite having no natural weapons and no need to do so. Lapwing dinosaur that nests in an inconvenient place and scares off anyone who tries to approach. Jacana dinosaur that hides its babies in its wings, which happens to make it look like it has a dozen arms. Woodcock dinosaur that, despite being a dangerous predator, does a funny dance wherever it goes. Potoo dinosaur that looks like a dead log until you're right next to it and its giant yellow eyes open. Pelican dinosaur that tries to eat things that are vastly too big to fit in its mouth.
Better yet, make the gooseasaurus a Dryosaurus or Edmontosaurus, something that, in the case of the former would just be hilarious and in the latter would probably be very accurate to how hadrosaurs probably behaved(almost like even bigger hippos)
Normally, I don't care about these type of videos until now. Also, my biggest complaint about dinosaurs in media is that how so many people kept repeating the old fashioned 'zombie hands' of dinosaurs. For those who don't get it, The palms of dinosaurs in media always faced down when in reality, they faced at each other. If someone notice this mistake and made a satirical joke out of it, It would be satisfying to hear it since these problem has never been addressed for 50 years!
@@riverAmazonNZ Pterosaurs like have such massive problems about literally anything about them in the most of media that this point seems kinda small in comparison.
IT turn out it's skull was moře heavily builded znám we tought so it was big game hunter. Also, headcrest were already display structure And funily we don't know what shape IT has, all fossil of it are break And incomplete And IT has sings of ceratin sheet that could be much bigger then bony core.
"Dinosaurs are so cool that a story with Dinosaurs doesn't even need a love triangle!" Me: **slaps table** That's it, I'm officially writing only dinosaur stories from now on. Finally, I'm *FREEEEEEEE*
I highly recommend the Dinosauria series of short films by David Armsby / Dead Sound. It's here on youtube, beautifully stylized, and does a wonderful job at showing the dinosaurs as animals living their lives rather than movie monsters. There's even "making of" videos for each one, it's neat to see the creative process and the sculptures he makes. You can tell there was a lot of love put into it :)
You want Dinosaur Watership Down? I recommend Raptor Red by Robert T. Bakker. He wrote it as a means of expressing his hypotheses on dinosaur behavior circa the mid 90s, but he presented it as a fictional story depicting life in the late Jurassic period from the perspective of a female Utahraptor who perceives the world much more differently from us. A lot of what he wrote about then has since been disproven by the march of science, but it's still an engaging read for anyone who likes xenofiction. Anyway, it's really sad how few good dinosaur stories there are, though I am happy there is one out right now: Tartakovsky's Primal. It plays fast and loose with scientific accuracy and is pulpy as hell, but the animation is fantastic, but the dinosaurs and prehistoric animals are presented as more than just monsters, a Tyrannosaur serves as the co-protagonist, and she has fantastic chemistry with her Neanderthal companion, all of which is presented without a word said between them.
The PBS Kids cartoon, “Dinosaur Train” actually made it FUN to learn about dinosaurs, as the channel was a big fan of doing with all of their cartoons. Every character was a dinosaur, and every episode they rode a train that could time-travel between the different Dino periods with no lasting consequences. And there’d be a section of the episode ALL ABOUT the dino(s) they were learning about that episode. There was no real monster fighting, just a good old’ family-friendly fun time, befriending each other and depicting good family relationships. It had a BANGER intro about what the story was about! I’d try to memorize and sing the lyrics when I was younger😅
As a big dinosaur fan, I found the whole video incredible. The party about accuracy vs fun, and making jokes about many dinosaur misconceptions at 2:49-5:05 was just so good!!! Can't wait to see more videos!!!
God, as a Palaeontology student this video makes me so fucking happy. From the "um actually" section, most of your facts are correct, with my fun fact being that us humans and Dinosaurs common ancestor is a Dimetrodon. And tho Palaleo experts bash Dino literature to high hell, we do have our guilty pleasures.
All of the TWA video's have really inspired me to expand my writing. Also I love the sponsorship war episodes. They're a lot more interesting to listen to rather than just a random sponsor in the middle of a video.
Watership Down for Dinos has already been written - look up "Raptor Red." That said, just because someone else did it before doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. That always bugged the s*** out of me - Young me: [story idea] Fake friend: Oh, that's been done before [proceeds to tell me plot of book with only passing resemblance to my idea] Young me: [gives up because I was a total doormat] Oh, you're right then...
Other videos I will like him to make are one on how to write superhero fiction, space opera, plot twists, historical fiction, adult cartoons and parody movies.
8:20 I've heard that the term "Thagomizer" is actually the scientifically accurate term for that dinosaur body part, because real paleontologists liked that one comic so much and they hadn't decided on a term for tail spikes at that point.
It's asinine how folks claim fiction like the JP/W films make Dinosaurs cooler when almost all the herbivores are smaller & weaker than their irl counterparts, it's like people hear about raptors being smaller & weaker irl & assume that applies to every Dinosaur when the majority are nerfed.
Love his video! Off to write about the Velocirex of my dreams!!!!! Scale covered feathers to keep those srupid nerds away while maintaining the cool look :D
I've always laughed at writers who try to characterise animals because 10 out of 9 times they do it wrong. The only show that did animal-human dynamics right was ATLA with Aang and Appa. Also, font forget the animals have no self-preservation instincts and always attack prey that kills them in droves.
Writers in millenia : I discovered an ancient screenplay ! If we restore the data from the damaged harddrive we could maybe remake infinite sequels from that single script ! Reboots always find a way
@@chimpanzinc1790 Don't ask me. Ask absolutely anyone who worked on _Disney's Hercules, Percy Jackson and the Olympians, Myth-O-Mania, the video game "Hades," the "God of War" franchise, the "Kid Icarus" games, Smite (and that one doesn't just stop at Greek when it comes to creative reinterpretations of mythologies), EITHER of the_ *"Clash of the Titans"* movies _because that "Greek reboot" has_ *_already been rebooted again..._*
Just going to take a second to recommend Dead Sound’s Dinosauria series. It’s a great example of all the good things mentioned in this video, and each short has an accompanying making of video describing the research that went into each episode. If you want an accurate depiction of dinosaurs with solid storytelling and stellar animation, David’s got you covered. No relation to him at all, I just think his work is great and deserves more recognition.
I love the voice acting for McStabbyPants in this one. He sounds appropriately defeatist about this whole situation. That being said... oddly enough, his pronunciation of the word "stroke" makes him sound like he had a stroke.
Idea: A Jurassic Park type place bio-engineers dinosaurs to look like the pop-culture versions instead of the accurate versions, inadvertently creating numerous super-predators and/or animals that suffer horribly with improper biology.
I routinely come up with neologisms to describe concepts I can't find words for, so I made the word "Vigintosauric" to describe dinosaurs whose portrayals ignore later paleontology advances because we just plain like the old ones. e.g. "This fictional creature is based on a velociraptor, but it doesn't have feathers because it's based on a vigintosauric velociraptor rather than a realistic one. Now, _this_ one, however is based on a realistic one filling in a different ecological niche in the worldbuilding..."
You forgot something JP Be sure to use the most famous dinosaurs and never try using cool and obscure ones in your story. Audiences want to see the same dinosaurs again and again and again without change even if said animals are in the film/story for less than 5 minutes *cough* Dominion *cough* When you use a lesser known creature as the lead, it’ll make audience members confused and frustrated instead of being intrigued by the animal. Look at Disney’s Dinosaur having an Iguanodon as the star. Critics and viewers had no idea what it was so they disliked the film and didn’t see it. Lesson learned, always use the same dinosaurs and never try some of the other fascinating creatures from history.
Don't forget the biggest rule about Dinosaur movies: There were two major periods Dinosaurs lived in (well three, but the first one is near-criminally underrepresented). You have to name your movie after one of them but have most of your Dinosaurs from the other one.
Daria is a Beavis and Butt-Head spin-off about a sarcastic teen that is a complete 180 from its parent series, while Muv Luv is a grimdark mecha series disguised as a harem romcom. The thought of combining the two is both horrifying and fascinating in equal measure.
I love how this Video and the last one came out as responses to current popular movies. This one for Jurassic Park and the “Exposition” video as a response to Doctor Strange :)
Fun fact: The author of JP intended the raptors to be Deinonychus raptors. They’re thought to be the smartest species of raptor ever, and stand about 5-6ft tall. But they had feathers… The author called them “Velociraptors” because the name sounded cooler. I kid you not.
I'm surprised you didn't mention how herbivores are portrayed as gentle giants you can just walk up to and pet when in reality they are much more dangerous than predators.
Still love the eye floater background, it's absolutely mesmerizing, even though sometimes I fix on that in videos instead of actually listening and watching, just to see if I can pinpoint the moment where the animation will eventually loop. 🤪
"Dinosaurs? Aren't they just giant prehistoric lizards? Why are there feathers? They're not birds. You writers need to take some science classes!" - Producer guy who graduated in business
Making movies is a business, so that would be a proper fit.
Going by your pfp, I kinda think Toei foresaw this vid when deciding what the next Super Sentai/Power Rangers motif will be after toy sales drop
writer: yeah im gonna need you to get off my back!
producer: oh okay let me get off that thing!
Idiot, doesn't he know birds are related to reptiles.
My childhood on “Dinosaur Train” has LOTS of Dino feathers smh
Also, if the herbivorous dinosaurs are actually, you know, herbivores, make sure that all of them are docile, gentle creatures that wouldn’t hurt a fly. Ignoring the fact that most large herbivores are aggressive, highly territorial creatures that kill hundreds of people every year more than most carnivores ever could. And also ignoring the fact that many herbivorous dinosaurs had horns the length of people, armour embedded into their skin, and tails that could possibly break the sound barrier.
And while we’re at it, let’s just make hadrosaurs total pushovers that are just fodder for T-rex, raptors, and other large theropods, despite many of them being larger than elephants and much bigger than many of their predators. Because a seven tonne Parasaurolophus would totally succumb to a pack of man-sized raptors not just squash them like bugs.
Sauropod tracks were literaly death traps. They don 't even have to try to hurt you. At least they give Is fossils of little critters.
@@petrfedor1851 I would love to se a piece of media where the main characters have to travel through a field that’s covered in quicksand pits created by sauropod footprints.
In our own world like in Africa, large herbivores like Elephants (especially bull males) are often the main source of human - wildlife conflict. active predators like Lions and Hyaenas pail in comparison
@@unicorntomboy9736 Or hippos.
You really don't want to face a hippo.
@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 Exactly
"Dinosaurs need characterization too" is an incredible quote.
Speaking of which, should "Ballad of Big Al" count as characterizing a dinosaur?
Which is why I want to pitch a Jurassic World spin-off but it’s just Blue and Beta doing stuff to Universal or something.
IMO, Prehistoric Planet nailed the characterization part.
@Jurassic Hero You watch TWA, too? Or are you here just 'cause it's dinosaur related?
Honestly, I would love to see a series where dinosaurs are transported into the modern era that’s shown from their point of view.
Yeah it's quite often that dinosaurs are treated more like fantasy creatures than real animals, at that point the story might as well be about actual monsters that are just inspired by dinos, which some stories do to be completely fair.
Made me think, maybe me and other paleonerds are just annoyed that the names of our favorite dinosaurs are just slapped onto monsters that barely resemble them (cof cof Giganotosaurus, cof cof Jurassic World).
If they did something like Monster Hunter were the creatures are based on dinosaurs but they are their own thing, no one would mind I think.
Yeah, many works really stretch what a "dragon" is, for instance. From giant winged reptiles to basically Pokemons with different types and abilities.
Even for less fantastic works, making up new creatures sounds like the most logical approach.
I’ve long said that a fantasy novel using dinosaurs would be a nice way to break the Tolkien-ized tropes that have subsumed a lot of modern fantasy
@@mercuryatamolos3687 Dragon Ball
@@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes Dragon Ball does have both dragons and dinosaurs.
Never forget to write a thousand shitty sequels. That part's very important.
@our hero Oh my god. Say finally its here ONE more time.
@@selahanany5645 Finally it's here: your breaking point
@our hero Who? Your mom?
@our hero you have mere seconds
@@TheCat_3 run dude, he can smell your farts in a radius of 2km
I just realised how many new models of dinosaurs had to be drawn that would be used just for this 1 video
Your struggles were not in vain, JP. These are some sick dinosaurs
"that would be used just for this 1 video "
Next video Greed and his crew ride dinosaurs, 'cuz they are profitable
Yes, that sail definitely shows signs of diseased deformation.
@Danariya
Oh dear... How sick are these dinosaurs? Are they infected with COVID-19?
FINALLY A T REX WITH THE CORRECT ARM POSITION
My favorite part of writing dinosaur (or really any carnivorous animal) is when writers think they don’t have any self-preservation instincts and make them do downright suicidal things in order to chase the protagonist.
Also, don’t forget to make all therapods scaled down version of T-Rex because that’s probably the only Dino the writer knows.
@Victory what’s the link to?
@@anthonyramirez9925 a scam probably, don't click
You are so right, that’s totally how they would’ve behaved in -movies- real life. Of course that Baryonyx would follow the tiny humans into an underground lair that is quickly filling with lava, and of course that Carnotaurus would pick a fight with a random Sinoceratops even though a volcano has literally erupted right behind it.
That Jurassic World Dominion clip of the raptor diving into icy water to chase people when it could easily just run at them causes me physical pain
Not to mention a t Rex would probably ignore humans as food because we are too small to be worth the effort of chasing. If they did try and chase us it would be for a few second before they decided it was too much effort. It would be like a lion spending its whole day chasing a mouse. It's just not worth it.
This is one of the reasons I have so much nostalgia for Transformers' Dinobots. As robots they don't need feathers, and all paleontological inaccuracies can be explained by the fact that they are aliens who thought dinosaur fossils were cool. Plus they combine robots with a 1980's idea of dinosaurs. Just perfect nostalgia. 🥰
But Dinobot needs feathers, he's a freaking Velociraptor
My dad apparently loved that show, I made him a painting of the purple Megatron(?) for his birthday once, he really appreciated that.
@@TupocalypseShakur I'm talking G1, Grimlock and his pals. Dinobot and Megatron from Beast Wars need feathers.
@@kai_maceration That’s Beast Wars. He’s talking about G1.
Not really a _Transformers_ fan (or dinosaurs fan at this point), but yeah, Grimlock & gang and even the dinosaur bots--including Dinobot--in _Beast Wars_ are both cool and have built-in excuses for being "inaccurate".
The irony that JT didn’t use the *dinobots* during that transformers reference is palpable.
Or not even making one of them purple.
"Yeeesss..."
He should have said Megasaurus slower…
I heard something very different…
Holy crap, I didn’t even think pf that at first. Should’ve been Grimlock vs BW Megatron, *yeesss*
@@ownerofayoutubeaccountnoto5322 fun fact: David Kaye voiced Grimlock in Transformers animated.
The dinobots were a grossly wasted opportunity in the Bayformers films :(
My respect for J.P. just went through the roof with the amount of dinosaur knowledge he displayed in that "Well actually..." segment. Also, on the topic of telling interesting, emotional stories with scientifically accurate dinosaurs, I just have to say David Attenborough's Prehistoric Planet nails it on the head. 👌
Also Walking With series, Raptor Red and Prehistoric Park.
@@petrfedor1851 But those are very old now (and their informative area is horrible). Prehistoric Park is crazy good, though.
@@petrfedor1851 They are good, but they are quite old and very outdated in terms of scientific knowledge, especially Walking with Dinosaurs
@@unicorntomboy9736 Eventually Prehistoric Planet will also be old and outdated. That's what happens when science marches on and new discoveries are made. It's part of the joy of watching old shows like Walking with Dinosaurs, seeing what the scientific vision of Dinosaurs was like at the time and how its changed in the years since in the light of new evidence.
@@JamesBrown-sn6le Hell, Prehistoric Planet already has some inaccuracies. But it's leagues ahead of Jurassic World so I'll take what I can get.
"Now why am I writing about dinosaurs, which is an incredibly niche topic?"
Because you're sick of the terrible Jurassic Park sequels and want some modern takes on the genre that are actually good or at the very least mediocre?
The Jurassic park sequels aren’t even that bad though, they’re monster horror flicks and they’re competent at doing that.
@@starmaker75 man the new jurassic world movie has feathered dinos, so does prehistoric planet, the 2016 land before time sequel of all things (send help why is there so many) and a bunch of video games all have feathered dinos
@@ToastTheThe iiiiiis that a good thing or a bad thing? I see it as good. I like my dinosaurs realistic.
@@ToastTheThe Still the new JW dinosaurs are very inaccurate with incorrect feathering.
I’ve actually been working on a story similar to Jurassic Park, yet it is built to function like an actual zoo with the only reason for escapes is due to attacks from an extremist animal rights organization. Also it includes much more realistic dinosaurs.
All of this can be applied to dragons as well. They are hella cool creatures that often overwhelm a setting and make it feel lacking at in meaningful normal interactions.
The one thing that doesn't apply to dragons for the most part is inaccuracy since they don't exist. That said you CAN critique people for giving them wings that would not remotely be able to lift them off the ground, so even the inaccuracy point sometimes does apply.
I am sick of seeing dragons with tiny wings full of holes.
@@catpoke9557 To be completely fair, while holes in wings are just stupid, I don't think most people are going to care if the wings are too small because they left their expectations for reality somewhere around the part where dragons breathe fire and are, y'know, real. You're somewhat in the minority here.
@@leviappe9686 I think there's a limit. I don't mind when they're SLIGHTLY off. But I've seen dragons the size of a t-rex with wings the size of a harpy eagle's. It's so far beyond possible that it just looks silly and ruins suspension of disbelief. I don't think I'm in the minority in regards to hating these mini-wings considering they just look dumb.
One of the best depictions of dragons in fantasy is Realm of the Elderlings series by Robin Hobb. It's super interesting, they metamorphose from sea serpents using cocoons and they pass on generational memories through chemicals in their cocoons.
@@catpoke9557 So what's your take on Chinese Dragons, that fly despite _not having any wings at all?_ 🐉If there's a sufficient amount of "magic" in the fictional universe to provide lift, _who cares?_
Pegasi and "angelic" humanoids aren't really aerodynamic either.
-Although I do agree that sometimes super-tiny wings on a large creature can look stupid. Unless perhaps "stupid-looking" is the point, and it's a deliberately comical depiction.-
I will always find it funny that Thagumizers a joke from a Far side comic is now considered the legit name for the spikes on the Stegosaurus tail.
The structure didn't have a name yet and paleontologists are nerds, so they said "Okay, that sounds cool, let's call it that!"
Science at its best.
I THOUGHT IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND!
@@draxiss1577 nope
@@draxiss1577 I was today years old when I found out that it wasn't the other way around.
For the record, we learned about the Thagumizer in my college Paleo course, taught by an actual paleontologist. He even showed the comic. It never occurred to me that the comic inspired the name of that body part.
write them as animals because that is what they are. the stereotype of the carnivores being some kind of sadistic murder machines should be dispensed with in future films, and it's what the vast majority of these films are about. i think the show Camp Cretaceous does a sorta decent job of portraying Rexy at least, as just another animal on the island.
id like to see a dinosaur movie where the main threat is a herbivore
Watch the Primal episode about the Plague of Madness
@@silverscorpio24 Or don't,that shit is gross.
I'd recommend the show prehistoric planet. It's basically a dinosaur nature documentary. It does a great job of depicting dinosaurs as actual animals, even if a lot of their behaviour is ultimately very speculative.
Unironically the Triceratops is one of the single most underutilized dinosaurs in film history.
This fucking thing could reliably kill a T Rex in a 1-1 fight, and if it existed today would most likely be extremely aggressive and ill tempered just like wild ungulates today so having it go on a rampage probably wouldn't even be inaccurate
@@ethanphilpot7643 I feel like most herbivorous dinosaurs are under-utilised in media. They’re usually treated like giant, docile, friendly creatures, ignoring the fact that some of them had horns the length of a grown man, built in armour covering their backs and tails, and tails that could possibly break the sound barrier when swung, and also ignoring the fact that herbivorous animals are usually way more aggressive than carnivorous animals.
Even with less armoured dinosaurs like hadrosaurs, most of them were still around the size of elephants, if not bigger, so they could probably defend themselves relatively easily if they had to. Hell, I remember this one trend on twitter where paleo artists got together and drew hadrosaurs doing things like fighting each other or killing smaller dinosaurs.
"Dinosaurs are so cool they exempt me from any writing sins committed!" -Jurassic World writers.
I disliked Jurassic World Dominion. They should have just stopped at Fallen Kingdom
I should also add that I liked the first one well enough, though I don’t think it’s all that good.
@@ineednochannelyoutube2651 It's a fun popcorn flick, though it still has too many of the standard clichés of modern action movies (e.g. shoed-in romance that adds next to nothing to the plot).
@@unicorntomboy9736 They should have stopped after Jurassic Park. The Lost World was the best sequel, and JP3 had its highlights, but no JP sequel will ever live up to the original.
Oh look, here's this Mosasaurus shot before you can complain about running on heels!
Even when he's talking about an entirely different subject you still learn something new to improve in your stories. Thank you TWA.
(For example a bounty hunter I am writing has an accidental movie dinosaur motif, and the line describing how a hunt should work completely rephrased my opinion on how to write them)
I hope J.P does a video on historical fiction next. I want to write a short novel inspired by Bridgerton
I second the request on a video about historical fiction/fantasy!
I see a Triforce in your profile pic... the bounty hunters name isn't Samus Aran by any chance? :)
@@g.f.martianshipyards9328 lol, no not really.
(In fact they are definitely more murder oriented in a way that isn't just implied, also they aren't human)
@@trifectumart tbf neither is Samus these days
As a massive Palaeontology nerd, I feel so called out by this XD. Legit though, I was laughing the whole way through. This is exactly why I loved the original Jurassic Park, but feel dimly about the Jurassic World franchise.
The first JP had its roots in the current science of the time, while also taking some creative liberties for cool hollywood action. It showed both the majesty and danger of Dinosaurs, which has been completely lost in the JW franchise, which threw out any care of love for Palaeontology in light of "Wow, cool dangerous Dinosaurs!"
You might want to check out Dead Sounds channel. He recently an animated short series with dinosaurs. They make some appearances in his previous animations as well.
I've found a passion for evolutionary history and I'm right there with you. Um, excuse me sir, but dimetrodons are actually more closely related to mammals than to reptiles. They're an early group of synapsids, the sister group of the sauropsids, that branched off Hey, where is everybody going?
Same
@@classarank7youtubeherokeyb63 Mine is "um akshully the animal you're calling a pteradactyl is a pteranodon, pteradactylus looks nothing like that"
At least the new Prehistoric Planet series is well made
"My story has dinosaurs in it, so your criticism is invalid"
Seems the writers of the Jurassic World movies took this to heart
The thing about Jurassic Park is that you could replace the dinosaurs with ordinary large animals and the plot would still have been the same (assuming all of the humans still had motives for doing what they did). Conversely, if the park had had physical barriers like cliffs and moats, like normal zoos do, instead of relying solely on electric fences with no backup plan (or if it hadn't given a single employee power over the only thing keeping the dinos contained), the dinosaurs wouldn't have escaped and everything would have been fine.
The film is trying to say that bringing back dinos is bad, but what I'm seeing is that keeping dangerous wildlife in a slipshod fashion is bad.
Unfortunately there's an element of lost-in-translation between the book and the movie there: the book leans heavily on chaos theory for the park's failure, while the movie simplifies it all away(neatly represented in the revelation of the dinos breeding - it's an important plot point in the book, but basically nowhere in the movie).
I agree. Dinosaurs really weren't much more dangerous than modern animals. The zoo just sucked lol
@@angrymokyuu9475 I remember how the dinosaurs in the books were established to be genetic disasters, prone to medical issues, dangerous unpredictable behaviour, foul odours, etc. really laying on the idea that these creatures do not belong in the modern world.
I didn't take the film to be saying that resurrecting dinosaurs was bad. Or, really, anything about dinosaurs. I always saw the dinosaurs as a means to the theme, and not the theme itself.
I took it to be about the corrupting influence of greed. Nedry's greed makes him feel like he deserves more; Hammond's greed makes him cut costs on just about everything, including Nedry; and these two combine to lead to Nedry sabotaging the park.
Sprinkle in the concepts of chaos, with the random event of a hurricane...
And someone did the math to show that at least some of the dinosaurs were not given the space they needed.
"Don Bluth Traumatised My Childhood Support Group" legit needs to be a thing 💀
You know the worst thing about calling Dimetrodon a dinosaur? It wasn't even a reptile.
It was a synapsid, the same part of the family tree which mammals belong to. It's literally more closely related to the human calling it a dinosaur than a dinosaur!
I'm so sure the "Don Bluth Traumatized My Childhood Support Group" exists as a Tumblr or a Facebook page somewhere. If not, then what the hell is wrong with people in my generation?
"Why aren't you writing about dinosaurs, because dinosaurs are cool" Wow, some actually GOOD writing advice from JP. How rare
3:13 To be fair, Brontosaurus is currently a valid genius after it was revived back in 2015. If I remember, there are around three species and Robert T. Baker has been ecstatic and vindicated since.
3:46 Eh... Kinda? So as a member of a family, Carnotaurus is part of the Abelisauridae, a group of generally basal carnivores which were known to develop thick, deep skulls and rugose or horny ornamentation over the course of their history. Of course, the animal likely fought in shoving matches between rivals, though it is proposed that they may have whacked opponents and prey along their sides thanks to the thick skull and horns - an idea that was also proposed to it's Madagascan counterpart, Majungasaurus. Of course, it's hard to assert a definite position on such an idea because, as you've referenced, nobody is sure just how strong or durable the dinosaur's neck is.😅
3:48 As it turns out, there's one more surprise about Dilophosaurus - it's head. In a recent paper literally from this year, there was an entire overhaul to the dinosaur and the implications of it's evolution. The two crests on it's head that gave it it's name were much more thick and extensions of the skull as opposed to merely two separate and thin crests. These portions housed powerful muscles that helped augment the power of it's bite. Also, what had once been a long jaw with a kink was actually the result of a damaged skull. In reality, the head was a bit more robust and similar to other early large carnivores.
4:09 Honestly, I ain't got much to say about this. My only gripe is that the wings on the Dromes should be "complete" in so much as they were like bird wings with primary feathers covering all but the first finger (the second finger acted as an anchor like modern birds).
As for pack hunting, that's a contentious issue. Me personally, if such a possibility was on the table, I doubt they'd be as sophisticated as mammalian predators. It's possible (and I'm really stretching that term) as we see a level of gregariousness in other, larger carnivores (allosauroids and tyrannosauroids) and some scant evidence in Dromaeosaurids, though it could be that these were small family groups.
5:05 So a T. rex as an adult ain't going to outrun anyone. What it will do is stalk a target and then surprise it. Yes, they're slow, but they only need to be so fast to catch animals even slower with lower metabolisms. Keep in mind that T. rex can move at maximum of up to 15 mph, which is impressive for a forty foot long, thirteen foot tall, nine ton murder machine. Then couple the fact that it's stride length is gonna be relatively long and that it has the respiration of a bird. People in general run about 8 mph. I'm not saying a T. rex adults are going to waste energy chasing people. But I am saying people aren't as nimble as you may think.
And keep in mind I'm talking about the big ones. The teens are a totally different animal, especially ecologically.
5:59 So I actually agree with this. As someone who admits to see the Jurassic Park series as an annoyance (not just because of the inaccuracies, but because even I can point out some huge problems with the plot), I get annoyed when people start gatekeeping like this. I'm a self-admitted dick, but I want people to still be able to enjoy and spread the thing I love. As bad as the current films are, I still see the JP/JW franchise as a way to get the general public interested in the field of Paleontology. I still remember being awes by the first film and enjoying the second one when my dad took me to the cinema as a surprise. Yeah, it sounds like a "I hate you 'cause I love you" kinda deal and at the end of the day, it is. We're talking about a multi-billion dollar franchise that is essentially how most people get into the science. With every feathered Pyroraptor they show off, there's two scaly Deinonychus expies in the way. In that sense, if your going to be the main entry point to something all I want is for you to be good at it.
The thing about science is that it's always evolving - the more we understand, the more ideas either form or get dropped. That's the name of the game. That said, I also agree that just like with any nerd fandoms, there's going to be a fan-dumb menace acting like elitist snobs blocking entry or, unironically enough, promoting outdated ideas because new stuff flies in the face of their personal canon. I've seen people get pissed over the idea of feathered dinosaurs. Hell, there was a recent issue where some guys got mad that the T. rex in Prehistoric Planet (we in the fandom have since named him "Hank") was shown as an attentive dad and thus labeled "woke." People like me can't stand those guys.
8:41 I think there's already a dinosaur Watership Down. In fact, there's a whole series. It's called Age of Reptiles and it's a comic series created by Ricardo Delgado. The series details the lives of various dinosaurs in different environments and focuses on themes like violence, gang wars, resource competition, revenge, betrayal, etc.
I'm here before the people start spamming nerd emojis due to a lack of creativity in insults.
It's worth pointing out, though, that Carnotaurus' leg muscles attatched a good way down the tail, meaning that it was very good at running fast. Combine that with its barrel chest and tough skull, and it could possibly have been a ramming pursuit predator.
@@thunderblood6603 Nah this seems to be a video has a lot to do around talking about realistic dinos and the discussion of, the only reason people would do that is if they are bots or because you mentioned it
@@thunderblood6603 Nerd
Thank you fellow Dino nerd
The animated series “Primal” actually nails the Characterization part. The main duo are a caveman and a T-rex who bonded by their shared trauma of losing their respective families. The show is like a nature documentary that was directed by a metal album cover artist, and I love it. It’s both emotionally and physically gruesome to watch.
Nah, its more fantasy setting, you have weird monsters like zombie dino, nothing like nature documentary, the setting is cool though doesnt have to be realistic
I wouldn't call Primal a nature documentary. There's witchcraft, zombie viruses, steroid liquids, and violence beyond what you see in any non-war documentary. It's cool, but nowhere near documentary material.
Gay
Well Spear was heavily based off of Conan the Cimmerian so I think it's best to think of Fang as the dinosaur equivalent of Conan in terms of how realistic her abilities actually are.
Gotta love those super realistic stories about early man and Dinosaurs coexisting. Just a couple of million years off, but that's a small nitpick.
I loved the “Dinotopia” books as a kid. That’s a story about a father and son who shipwreck in a lost continent that has people and herbivore dinosaurs living alongside each other.
There are carnivorous Dinos too but they live in their own valley and people wisely leave them be.
There are also carnivorous dinos that choose to live amongst people! I love Dinotopia. It's how I imagine heaven.
That sounds like a JW propaganda. Hahahaha
@@sohopedeco It does.
@@sohopedeco what kind of Propaganda?
I watched Dinotopia as a kid. It was one of my favourite videos to watch.
My mum still had a VCR so I thought it was just a really long movie back then, it wasn't until late highschool that I found out it was actually a three part mini series.
I’ve always loved dinosaurs. I think that if velociraptors were around today, they’d be kind of like dogs. Just super sociable due to being pack hunters.
More like angry chickens.
I think they'd just be raised for cockfighting like chickens would
@@kokofan50 So just normal chickens? Those little shits are surprisingly aggressive
I have a feeling it would basicly be as if Cassowaries were pack hunters
@@kokofan50 ah so geese then
*How the dinosaurs went extinct:* The T-Rex saw a huge boulder and kicked it into the orbit as the rock faded away into nothingness. Years later, the boulder paid a visit
to Earth as a meteor to get revenge on the dinosaurs.
That's how the show "Dinosaurs" should have ended. Yeah, there was an extinction episode, but it was more of an allegory about what global warming/climate change will do to the Earth if we're not careful. We get enough of that preachy crud already. Now, an episode where Earl (the dad who gets beaten by that pink baby who sounds like Elmo from "Sesame Street") kicks a boulder carelessly, only for it to come back years later, that's a more subtle take on how bad judgment and worse decisions in the past can ruin the future.
Comedy gold :D
"It's not like treating science like a religion misses the entire point.."
Just...god, thank you so much for saying this.
Also: the trope of large herbivorous dinos being totally defenseless and/or peaceful, despite many modern large herbivores often being even more dangerous than carnivores.
Elephants and Moose come to mind
@@unicorntomboy9736 As well as hippos.
@@alfiejob6546
Buffaloes
"it's almost like treating science as a religion defeats the entire point"
+10 billion respect points for that statement. not that j.p. didn't already have a lot of those just for wanting to help people become better writers in an entertaining and thought out format.
If you're interested, "Evolution," by Stephen Baxter, kind of does the "dinosaur watership down" concept, though more with direct human ancestors (starting with the Cretaceous). It has stories from the perspective of little rodent-like critters, proto-monkeys, apes, etc. And then post-humans. Plus some vignettes from the dinos' viewpoints.
And then they blow up an alien with shampoo at the end. It's great!
@@rabidporcupine0 You're thinking of the 1 and a half hour head and shoulders commercial, that's something else.
8:36 Dinosaur _Watership Down._ If this sounds like something you'd want to read, I've read a book called _Raptor Red,_ which follows the life of a Utahraptor. It's not perfect, but was written by a genuine paleontologist. It can be a bit dry sometimes, and unlike _Watership Down_ there is no "talking" between the dinosaurs.
I think they made a movie of this book... or at least based on this book because it sounds like something I watched as a kid
When I was a child, my favorite book series was one that told scientifically accurate (for the time) stories about dinosaurs and other extinct animals. Actual stories, mind you, and while the plot in a kid's book obviously wasn't anything super deep, the fact that they treated the dinosaurs as characters and not props made me love it more than the books that only had facts in them. I think the author's name was Rupert Oliver.
Random dinosaurs, dragons, and those characters that have one eye covered by their hair all serve the same purpose.
That's interesting that they either leave a mystery or cool factor behind
one piece has all of them, with one time having them all at once in the same place (wano arc had dinosaurs, dragons, and a character with half his face covered).
@@jasonbrose6743 Wait Wano has dinosaurs?
EDIT: Oh right. I completely forgot that the elite in Kaido's crew can turn into dinosaurs and other extinct animals.
@@blackknightjack3850 Those dinosaurs also went the route of "let them do whatever" too. I'm pretty sure triceratops did not use its frills to propell itself through the air like a helicopter. But in the fantastical world of One Piece, this really was how dinosaurs hunted in ancient times.
Cyclops. The word you're looking for for that last one is "cyclops".
I wrote a medieval story in wich some dudes in armor rode Feathered Pachys into battle and worked as shock cavalry with big lances, its also nice to be able to use them as a narrative resource when the characters are working with their pens, grooming, rising these creatures from egg, making them specialized saddles and armor, and just playing with the little ones by putting on a helmet and having headbutting contests xD
Did you publish it somewhere?
WHERE CAN I READ THIS.
Still a draft, but if i publis it soon, i will be sure to tag you guys
@@casasworks6350 Thanks in advance
So I just googled "pachy" to see what you were talking about, found out it was a nickname for "Pachycephalosaurus" (which I _copied and pasted- there is NO WAY I would spell that right!_ X^p), then _looked up images of THAT..._
...OMG! *Cranidos* is based on a _real dinosaur!_ o_0
9:20 In the game Jurassic Park: Trespasser dinos used to have complicated behaviors, but it was scrapped and replaced with dinos being murder machines, because they were forced to ship it before it was even remotely finished.
My additions as a dino fan:
- Amber and bones are too old to possess proper DNA that can be used to clone or resurrect prehistoric creatures.
-All prehistoric creatures filled respective niches in their environment, and weren't either murder machines or herbivores.
-Herbivores are just as capable of being as deadly as carnivores under the right circumstances.
-Larger prehistoric creatures were powerhouses. However, they needed to consume large amounts of food while simultaneously using as little energy as possible. This is why certain creatures travel in packs or will scavenge from dead corpses. It is easier to do this than always look after yourself and always expending energy hunting.
-Diseases and other pathogens exist. Infections also exist. Both are deadly, and we do not know what current-era pathogens could affect dinosaurs, not do we know what prehistoric pathogens might do to modern-era creatures. Neither would likely have natural resistances to the other's pathogens.
-Much like modern oceans, prehistoric waters had a plentiful variety of life- enough of which could probably kill you.
-Flora, bugs, and small mammals were alive during different periods. A darting dragonfly, a bulbous cycad, an unfurling fern, moist moss, marching ants, buzzing insects, and scurrying mammals all help add life to a world. The small things matter just as much as the dinosaurs.
-Humans would likely not have to fear large dinos until you got into their territory or enraged them. You would most likely be hunted by theropods or scavengers that were a several tons, more nimble, and regular hunt smaller prey, or by creatures that hunted in packs like lions or wolves.
-Dinosaur intelligence ranged from cow-like to dog-like. However, they likely could not be tamed unless there were extenuating circumstances explaining how a species became more tame.
-Psittacosaurus had quills on its tail. Quills are still being investigated in other dinosaur species. Protofeathers also existed on dinos. They did not all have scaly bodies like alligators, devoid of hair or feathers.
-That being said, dinosaur skin on larger dinos likely felt like an alligator's, and likely looked like one too.
-Dinos were likely more earthy tones or blended more into their environment. Bright colors were likely rare naturally (probably appearing on specific species) or the result of some mutation like albinism or the like. Looking at modern animals in different ecosystems may give an idea of what colors dinos possibly looked like.
-Dinos would be tough to kill, even by modern standards. Elephant guns and high-caliber weapons would have the best chances of felling large dinos swiftly. Smaller arms would likely hurt or sting them and cause them to become enraged. At you. And everything else nearby.
-There is no hard evidence for dinosaurs having venom or being poisonous. That being said, it may not have been impossible- but you would not be violating any known science by simply saying they did not.
-Pterosaurs likely rode wind currents like modern birds. Flapping wings uses a lot of energy, while gliding is easier.
-There are -*-lots-*- of dinos and prehistoric creatures. Limiting yourself to the famous ones tends to take away originality and creativity. Internet searching and libraries can introduce you to creatures you- or your audience- may not have known before. Throw more popular creatures around for familiarity, and use lesser-known creatures for interest and intrigue. Both will keep your audience's attention if you balanced things right.
-Having a glossary in the back or end of a book could help with identifying unfamiliar creatures or flora in a written work.
These are some things people tend to forget when it comes to dinos and prehistoric creatures.
It's always The Land Before Time that traumatized people's childhood
That and Watership Down
Or any film by Don Bluth.
Don't forget Brave Little Toaster
@@silverscorpio24 The original Lion King in 1994, Bambi and the opening of Finding Nemo tend to have that effect as well.
Writer: "How about genetically enhanced dinosaur that's super smart? They think and reason which could lead understanding dinos and humans. Imagine how many stories we could make, plus the super dino would have they're own character arc too!"
Somebody else: yeah all that sounds boring and new. But the super smart stuff is cool so... Super smart murder machine it is!
I remember a series could Dinosapian that seems similar to that
Remember kids!
In fiction any creature that isn’t human or closely looks like one must be unreasonably hostile to all sentient life!
Dinotopia , th arlier series, and more boring later, actually have a hidden island of human and dinosaurs living together.
Or you could ride dinos. Dino pet companions like pokemon, or even better digimon.
Or dinosaur alien scalies(furries)?! Allrthat is more interesting than a murder mashine, but that baaaad!
Literally the Indoraptor.
We're getting one step closer to that Dinosaur Erotica TWA got rejected for!
That's just a Chuck Tingle book
@Victory That's not Dinosaur Erotica
(Don't click it, it's some kind of financial scam)
@@bradymclaughlin6376 I love his books I swear
Love Triangle. With Dinosaurs.
Will our heroine chose between the dark and dangerous T-Rex or her Dimetrodon childhood friend?
@@plague_doctor0237 I just love reading his Good Reads page
If you want a masterclass in writing dinosaurs, just watch "The VelociPastor(2018)". That movie gets everything right!
But the "Velociraptor" look nothing like a velociraptor!!!!!!
"Sorry to ruin childhoods" Imho I'd disagree, if it had some of the best vision out of most predatory animals, intellect of a chimp and was thick as hell I'd say it's quite an upgrade
Same. It went from a dumb dumb race car to a Main Battle Tank with teeth.
I love that the pointy bits on the stegasaur tail is in fact called the Thagomizer by paleontologists.
... After the late Thag Simmons.
Damn straight.
I also really love the bullet/explosionproof dinosaurs from jurassic world. They just evolved to perfect american killers through natural selection... or frogs I guess
Hey at lease the indominus and Indo had a good excuse
Big crocodiles are bulletproof, it's not that unreasonable
@@dabbinghitlersmemes1762 I mean to like pistol rounds & smaller rifle rounds. Any full sized rifle cartridge would blow away most dinosaurs and kill large crocodiles.
@@rhorynotmylastname7781 The strongest comparison in size to the dinosaurs is the Indian elephant. And they have special dedicated guns specifically to hunt them. Now here is a creature that’s weighed around 20(?) times their size and we have an issue. Most guns would piss off the bigger ones
@@americanidiot41 Not true, maybe the largest ones but if you shot it in the head it would still die. Things like .30-06, .45-70, and .308 will kill any dinosaur if you shit it in the head. And a large elephant hunting caliber would blow it away.
Well I actually think the discussion about the moral, ecological and philosophical implications of bringing dinosaurs back to life in the original Jurassic park was actually some of the most interesting stuff in the movie.
Also you missed out on the trope that the big bad dinosaur in the first movie of a dinosaur movie franchise is a T-Rex. but in the sequels T. rex has got to be trounced and killed by a supposedly bigger and scarier dinosaur to up the stakes of the movies. Even though it’s doubtful such animals could actually win against T. rex.
The first JP using T. rex is part of what makes it work as a standalone story, as far as land predators go there's no escalating beyond it, gets besides more of them like TLW did, if the writers of JP3 onward were creative they would use non Dinosaur carnivores or herbivorous Dinosaurs as antagonists instead of trying to 1 up T. rex.
Who cares if it ate fish, it's biggerer than the T-rex and that means it can one-shot it.
@@fabmanosaurus4795 Spinosaurus does seem like a good follow up, tough. It just doesn't need to be stronger than Tyrannosaurus or beat it in a fight.
@@angrymokyuu9475 To be honest you're not entirely wrong. Don't get me wrong, rex would definitely beat spino in this hypothetical fight, but if a spino did get a hit in it could potentially be bad enough that the rex would later die from that single hit. Those claws and those teeth are no joke. Get a rex on the throat and it could actually die a few hours or days later.
That said it is very likely a spino would get absolutely demolished before it could get a hit in, and there's no guarantee that any hits it gets in would even be one of these fatal hits that I mentioned.
But yeah, the fact a spino could potentially kill a rex through bleeding or infection is why a rex would have no reason to even try to fight one. In fights between animals, just because you win the fight doesn't mean you will survive after it's over.
@@catpoke9557 Doesn't matter what a Tyrannosaurus could do, because the JP T-Rexes are clones with DNA from modern animals mixed in, same as every other dinosaur in the series. The JP Rex is clearly inferior to the real deal, but even then most other large theropods aren't as well explored. I could see a Giganotosaurus or Carcharodontosaurus being considerably bigger or more massive than a Tyrannosaurus, for instance.
Always remember to open the door up to dinosaurs, add new ideas to the floor, and have everybody walk the dinosaur route
If anyone's brave enough to title the first three chapters of their next dino epic "Opening the Door", "Getting on the Floor" and "Everybody, Walk!", I'll read it out of respect.
To anyone saying that feathers would ruin the dinosaurs’s imitation factor, look how ostrich actually act and tell people who own chicken about how aggressive chicken can be.
Or worse, cassowaries. They can just kill you and I gather they are more aggressive than ostriches.
People who say that don't know what a cassowary is. Those things can disembowel a human in one kick.
if anything feathers can be used for more cool-ness! imagine putting an alien bird-reptile on an equally alien earth, showing the cool, now-extinct creatures that look straight out of avatar!
Cassowaries are the world's deadliest bird.
But don't go that far. Tell me geese aren't intimidating.
@@renard6012 Geese aren't intimidating, they're infuriating
Yes they can make me bleed
But they're such assholes that it's worth it to be able to break their stupid neck in the process if they try
This video answered my lifelong question on why I never got into dinosaurs. Alot of interesting sci fi/fantasy monsters at least have some kind of gimmick that makes them unique from one another and irreplaceable. Even if they're not unique, monsters like the Titans, Terminators, Xenomorph, and the Upside Down creatures can become iconic because it's fun trying to find out how the hell they work and how you're supposed to beat them. Even the most overplayed ones like zombies, werewolves, and vampires can still have fun, creative ways to use their monster gimmick. But dinosaurs are always just massive beasts that rampage and eat everything they see for no reason. You could literally replace them with any giant ass monster that wants to eat you and the conflict is functionally no different.
So you don't see dinosaurs as real creatures?
"My story has dinosaurs in it, therefore your criticism is invalid."
Fair.
Actually coca cola didn't invent santa's look. There were several variations, including the red suit version floating around. The red suit version was made popular by a widespread, illustrated version of the night before christmas that came out way back when. Coke did eventually did make this version even more popular, but they didn't invent it.
I feel this video is well (or poorly?) timed considering Prehistoric Planet came out relatively recently. As a big nerd about biology I’m pleased about the acknowledgment about modern dino knowledge (and also the fact that you shouldn’t be forced to include all of it in a purely creative work, either).
I have been hanging out with some friends' kids. There's nothing that makes me feel quite so much like sitting an exam I haven't studied for than talking about dinosaurs with them.
Gee, I sure wonder if there was a very disappointing movie that came out recently that inspired this chapter's topic!
I guess, we'll never know.
Those dinosaurs in Lightyear were so disappointing...
@@WhiteFangofWar No no no, you see, the reason Lightyear did poorly at the boxoffice was because _there WEREN'T_ any dinosaurs! _That's_ the problem!! 😁1:32
-(This is coming from someone who hasn't actually seen it, btw.)-
Finally, the greatest writing advice channel in the planet is back!
@@recitationtohear ok but why the link to a random cooking video though?
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This came out at the perfect time. I was just thinking about writing a dinosaur story from the dinosaurs' perspective, thinking that I should do plenty of research and come up with my own creative interpretations of dinosaurs, but you proved that that's a terrible idea. Instead I'll make the story about love triangles and dino fights
I have a theory that this video is actually a backdoor pilot for JP's upcoming second channel where he talks about dinosaurs and dinosaur facts
Honestly, I'd watch that.
Concept: Take dinosaurs and inspire their behaviour on modern-day birds.
Owl-inspired dinosaur which acts like a cranky moron with sharp claws.
Crow-inspired dinosaur that is a happy and silly guy and yet smarter than everyone.
Parrot-inspired dinosaur that is a lil' shid
Goose-inspired dinosaur that would fight god for literally no reason, despite actually not having the fight skills to actually back up all that anger.
velociraptor mf runs up to you and steals your entire fish and chips
Shrike dinosaur that impales prey on sharp objects to save it for later.
Swan dinosaur that can and will beat you up despite having no natural weapons and no need to do so.
Lapwing dinosaur that nests in an inconvenient place and scares off anyone who tries to approach.
Jacana dinosaur that hides its babies in its wings, which happens to make it look like it has a dozen arms.
Woodcock dinosaur that, despite being a dangerous predator, does a funny dance wherever it goes.
Potoo dinosaur that looks like a dead log until you're right next to it and its giant yellow eyes open.
Pelican dinosaur that tries to eat things that are vastly too big to fit in its mouth.
Chicken dinosaurs: the females are docile and easily spooked, the males are really loud and will attack anything that moves.
Better yet, make the gooseasaurus a Dryosaurus or Edmontosaurus, something that, in the case of the former would just be hilarious and in the latter would probably be very accurate to how hadrosaurs probably behaved(almost like even bigger hippos)
Normally, I don't care about these type of videos until now. Also, my biggest complaint about dinosaurs in media is that how so many people kept repeating the old fashioned 'zombie hands' of dinosaurs. For those who don't get it, The palms of dinosaurs in media always faced down when in reality, they faced at each other. If someone notice this mistake and made a satirical joke out of it, It would be satisfying to hear it since these problem has never been addressed for 50 years!
This bugs me too! Also: pterosaur foot position!
@@riverAmazonNZ Pterosaurs like have such massive problems about literally anything about them in the most of media that this point seems kinda small in comparison.
@@vladprus4019 Unfortuately very true. If only people knew how truly strange and awesome pterosaurs were.
"Dilophosauruses have no fossil evidence of having a neck frill or ever spitting poison"
Me: My dissapointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
i mean considering how big it actuall was, what use would venom or a frill serve really?
IT turn out it's skull was moře heavily builded znám we tought so it was big game hunter.
Also, headcrest were already display structure And funily we don't know what shape IT has, all fossil of it are break And incomplete And IT has sings of ceratin sheet that could be much bigger then bony core.
To be fair, how would you know if something was poisonous or filly from a skeleton exactly?
@@shirenthewanderer4770 yeah, these traits would leave scars/indentations in the bones
Dilophosaurus might not be venomous, but Sinornithosaurus might be!
"Dinosaurs are so cool that a story with Dinosaurs doesn't even need a love triangle!"
Me: **slaps table** That's it, I'm officially writing only dinosaur stories from now on. Finally, I'm *FREEEEEEEE*
I highly recommend the Dinosauria series of short films by David Armsby / Dead Sound. It's here on youtube, beautifully stylized, and does a wonderful job at showing the dinosaurs as animals living their lives rather than movie monsters. There's even "making of" videos for each one, it's neat to see the creative process and the sculptures he makes. You can tell there was a lot of love put into it :)
I literally just bought the original jurassic park book today, I am so exited to watch this and see how it applies to it!
The book is awesome it’s one of my favorites.
Here is the exciting conclusion of my future-proof dinosaur story: "They're STILL dead. The End."
genius
@@somedummyonyoutube3362 Thank you!
"The end.
...Or is it?" (Dun dun dunnnnn)
Actually, biirds are a subset of dinosaurs, descended from therapoda around roughly the time of the early Cretaceous.
@@patrickhackett7881 Actually, you've just brilliantly demonstrated why you don't get invited to parties at the cool kids' houses.
You want Dinosaur Watership Down? I recommend Raptor Red by Robert T. Bakker. He wrote it as a means of expressing his hypotheses on dinosaur behavior circa the mid 90s, but he presented it as a fictional story depicting life in the late Jurassic period from the perspective of a female Utahraptor who perceives the world much more differently from us. A lot of what he wrote about then has since been disproven by the march of science, but it's still an engaging read for anyone who likes xenofiction.
Anyway, it's really sad how few good dinosaur stories there are, though I am happy there is one out right now: Tartakovsky's Primal. It plays fast and loose with scientific accuracy and is pulpy as hell, but the animation is fantastic, but the dinosaurs and prehistoric animals are presented as more than just monsters, a Tyrannosaur serves as the co-protagonist, and she has fantastic chemistry with her Neanderthal companion, all of which is presented without a word said between them.
Early Cretaceous, not Late Jurassic.
And Fang is a mummy to her chicks.
The PBS Kids cartoon, “Dinosaur Train” actually made it FUN to learn about dinosaurs, as the channel was a big fan of doing with all of their cartoons. Every character was a dinosaur, and every episode they rode a train that could time-travel between the different Dino periods with no lasting consequences. And there’d be a section of the episode ALL ABOUT the dino(s) they were learning about that episode. There was no real monster fighting, just a good old’ family-friendly fun time, befriending each other and depicting good family relationships. It had a BANGER intro about what the story was about! I’d try to memorize and sing the lyrics when I was younger😅
At last, now I too can write Jurassic World movie scripts! Thank you JP! Thank you, and your awesome dino drawings!
As a big dinosaur fan, I found the whole video incredible. The party about accuracy vs fun, and making jokes about many dinosaur misconceptions at 2:49-5:05 was just so good!!! Can't wait to see more videos!!!
I’m so invested in the ending skits omg I can’t wait to see where it goes now, Greed is unironically a fascinating villain
God, as a Palaeontology student this video makes me so fucking happy. From the "um actually" section, most of your facts are correct, with my fun fact being that us humans and Dinosaurs common ancestor is a Dimetrodon. And tho Palaleo experts bash Dino literature to high hell, we do have our guilty pleasures.
All of the TWA video's have really inspired me to expand my writing. Also I love the sponsorship war episodes. They're a lot more interesting to listen to rather than just a random sponsor in the middle of a video.
Tier Zoo has helped me understand that dinosaurs wouldn't thrive in our modern ecosystem. They went extinct for a reason.
Then why are there so many pigeons?
Watership Down for Dinos has already been written - look up "Raptor Red." That said, just because someone else did it before doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. That always bugged the s*** out of me -
Young me: [story idea]
Fake friend: Oh, that's been done before [proceeds to tell me plot of book with only passing resemblance to my idea]
Young me: [gives up because I was a total doormat] Oh, you're right then...
Raptor Red is more disney than watership down
aww jp acknowledged dino nerds and mentioned actual biology)) i never felt so nice while also being laughed at. so sweet
I would like to see an episode of Terrible Writing Advice on Time Travel. That would give quite a bit of material to talk about.
Other videos I will like him to make are one on how to write superhero fiction, space opera, plot twists, historical fiction, adult cartoons and parody movies.
8:20 I've heard that the term "Thagomizer" is actually the scientifically accurate term for that dinosaur body part, because real paleontologists liked that one comic so much and they hadn't decided on a term for tail spikes at that point.
Don't forget all herbivores that aren't Triceratops or Stegosaurus are defenseless wimps that are always killed by the cool predators.
It's asinine how folks claim fiction like the JP/W films make Dinosaurs cooler when almost all the herbivores are smaller & weaker than their irl counterparts, it's like people hear about raptors being smaller & weaker irl & assume that applies to every Dinosaur when the majority are nerfed.
Things killing adult tank cows (aka Ankylosaurs) is blasphemy.
Would actually highly recommend "Raptor Red" by Robert T. Bakker, highly unique subject & one of my all-time favourite reads.
Love his video! Off to write about the Velocirex of my dreams!!!!! Scale covered feathers to keep those srupid nerds away while maintaining the cool look :D
I've always laughed at writers who try to characterise animals because 10 out of 9 times they do it wrong. The only show that did animal-human dynamics right was ATLA with Aang and Appa. Also, font forget the animals have no self-preservation instincts and always attack prey that kills them in droves.
Writers in millenia : I discovered an ancient screenplay ! If we restore the data from the damaged harddrive we could maybe remake infinite sequels from that single script !
Reboots always find a way
Why would this be any different than people "rebooting" Greek mythology?
@@ChaosRayZero why would anyone even reboot greek mythology? that's like rebooting the bible but jesus can lay golden eggs for some reason
@@chimpanzinc1790 Don't ask me. Ask absolutely anyone who worked on _Disney's Hercules, Percy Jackson and the Olympians, Myth-O-Mania, the video game "Hades," the "God of War" franchise, the "Kid Icarus" games, Smite (and that one doesn't just stop at Greek when it comes to creative reinterpretations of mythologies), EITHER of the_ *"Clash of the Titans"* movies _because that "Greek reboot" has_ *_already been rebooted again..._*
This video is full circle for me as I listen to these while I play ark
Just going to take a second to recommend Dead Sound’s Dinosauria series. It’s a great example of all the good things mentioned in this video, and each short has an accompanying making of video describing the research that went into each episode. If you want an accurate depiction of dinosaurs with solid storytelling and stellar animation, David’s got you covered. No relation to him at all, I just think his work is great and deserves more recognition.
Yes, these videos are amazing.
As someone with a great passion for writing and an 'almost' unhealthy obsession with dinosaurs, this is like christmas and my birthday combined
I love the voice acting for McStabbyPants in this one. He sounds appropriately defeatist about this whole situation.
That being said... oddly enough, his pronunciation of the word "stroke" makes him sound like he had a stroke.
Idea: A Jurassic Park type place bio-engineers dinosaurs to look like the pop-culture versions instead of the accurate versions, inadvertently creating numerous super-predators and/or animals that suffer horribly with improper biology.
That some serious body horror/ animal abuse scenario.
I routinely come up with neologisms to describe concepts I can't find words for, so I made the word "Vigintosauric" to describe dinosaurs whose portrayals ignore later paleontology advances because we just plain like the old ones.
e.g. "This fictional creature is based on a velociraptor, but it doesn't have feathers because it's based on a vigintosauric velociraptor rather than a realistic one. Now, _this_ one, however is based on a realistic one filling in a different ecological niche in the worldbuilding..."
I've heard this called "retrosaurs."
You forgot something JP
Be sure to use the most famous dinosaurs and never try using cool and obscure ones in your story. Audiences want to see the same dinosaurs again and again and again without change even if said animals are in the film/story for less than 5 minutes *cough* Dominion *cough* When you use a lesser known creature as the lead, it’ll make audience members confused and frustrated instead of being intrigued by the animal. Look at Disney’s Dinosaur having an Iguanodon as the star. Critics and viewers had no idea what it was so they disliked the film and didn’t see it. Lesson learned, always use the same dinosaurs and never try some of the other fascinating creatures from history.
Don't forget the biggest rule about Dinosaur movies: There were two major periods Dinosaurs lived in (well three, but the first one is near-criminally underrepresented). You have to name your movie after one of them but have most of your Dinosaurs from the other one.
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Daria in Muv Luv Alternative had me laughing far longer than it should considering I have the barest bones knowledge of either series.
Daria is a Beavis and Butt-Head spin-off about a sarcastic teen that is a complete 180 from its parent series, while Muv Luv is a grimdark mecha series disguised as a harem romcom. The thought of combining the two is both horrifying and fascinating in equal measure.
I love how this Video and the last one came out as responses to current popular movies. This one for Jurassic Park and the “Exposition” video as a response to Doctor Strange :)
I love how you mention the 20 minute toy dinosaurs. DinoRiders!!!!!
The fact that the Thagomizer became the actual scientific term will forever put a smile on my face.
Fun fact: The author of JP intended the raptors to be Deinonychus raptors. They’re thought to be the smartest species of raptor ever, and stand about 5-6ft tall.
But they had feathers…
The author called them “Velociraptors” because the name sounded cooler. I kid you not.
Well to be fair it is a cooler name.
I'm surprised you didn't mention how herbivores are portrayed as gentle giants you can just walk up to and pet when in reality they are much more dangerous than predators.
Sauropod herd: just move a bit
"Footsteps Of Doom" music play
Feathered dinosaurs are actually quite cool. Just check Magic The Gathering's Ixalan block.
The dinos were the only reason I got that pack. Plus, some of my friends gave me some dinosaur cards.
>>Doesnt even need a love triangle
Then explain "taken by the t-rex"
Checkmate authors
You can explain it via "Ross's Theorem" (i.e. get drunk and break things).
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Well ackchually don't forget the T-Rex had -Feathers- "Proto-Feathers"
Aka it was fluffy.
Concept 1: Writing Dinosaurs. "Hey, reminds me of Jurassic Park."
Concept 2: Forced Love Triangle with Dinosaurs. "Ha, that's Jurassic Park too."
This is one of the most accurate and best commentaries of the Palaeontology Community, well done!
You can just tell he needed to release his rage towards JW
Especially JW Dominion
Still love the eye floater background, it's absolutely mesmerizing, even though sometimes I fix on that in videos instead of actually listening and watching, just to see if I can pinpoint the moment where the animation will eventually loop. 🤪