I REBUILT A HONDA CB250 SUPER DREAM THEN TRIED TO RIDE IT
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- In this video, I finally bring back to life a 1986 Honda CB250N Super Dream back after it sat untouched for 38 years! This classic bike was last ridden in 1986, and now, after an extensive rebuild, it's time to find out if all the hard work has paid off.
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Just a bit of advice, but you shouldn't sand blast the inside of the brake caliper piston housing.
Thanks for the advice! Please share why
@@BikesofRye Sandblasting is abrasive and you have now removed the very smooth finish on the inside of the piston housing. This will have altered the clearance between the piston and the housing and there also could be more friction between the surfaces.
@@henrycanal6808 thanks for the informative response - these are the comments we all want to see. Cheers!
@@BikesofRye No worries! Good to see a bike not being left to rot away.
Think you should expect that anything to do with brakes all seals in calipers master cylinders should be replaced with out a second thought .
Hi, I have owned and ridden several Dreams and Superdreams over the years and from the audio I think you may be suffering from the dreaded cam rattle. If you check the cam for ovality and the rocker lobes you will be able to tell for sure, they were a weak point. Other than that, well done and keep going with the rebuilds.
Thanks for the feedback and I would say sometimes the gopro audio through a helmet mic can make the bike sound different. It does to me anyway when I listen to it back. In person it sounds solid. I do need to balance the carbs though
@@BikesofRye There may be some of that. However, most every other youtube superdream video was also shot with a gopro, so you might want to consider that it does, actually, sound pretty rough. My old superdream was a proper shed, and although it's been 40 years since I had it, I do not remember it sounding like that. My worry wouldn't be the cams as much as the crap that's managed to make its way into the bottom end - ASAIK you didn't disassemble beyond the bottom of the barrels, but the bottom end of the engine got shipped all over the place, open to the weather, and got a load of assorted butchery applied to it to remove the busted stud.
And to follow up from my previous comment, you need to get rid of the entire front brake setup, stat. You absolutely do not sand blast the inside of brakes - they're ruined, and it's them that's supposed to save you from the bloke who stands on his brakes in front of you with no warning. Been there, done that.
The paint looks lovely. Well done.
This brings back memories for me. I used to courier on a 250 super dream in the 1980s in London. Good reliable little bikes, a bit gutless, but comfortable to ride for 9 hours a day delivering packages around town. Also very economical too. You've done a good job as a novice mechanic. I would suggest replacing the front brake hose with a braided one. The brakes on these machines were not the best when they were new. So braided lines will improve them a bit.
I would say that the tacho is shot - it doesn't seem to react to engine speed changes (frinstance when you change gear). Watch between 16:27 & 16:36 - initially it is very sluggish, then between 16:34 & 16:36 it whizzes up to the red line while the engine note rises steadily. 17:35 to 17:37 - engine accelerates loads, tacho moves a couple of hundred rpm; change gear at 17:38, tacho doesn't drop at all, but in fact carries on going up..... unless the soundtrack is out of kilter with the picture?
Unfortunately, as others have said - the engine doesn't sound 100%. Back in the day (I was 21 when this bike was registered), Superdreams were a very quiet engine, with just a little bit of camchain rustle. Having said that, it is likely to carry on running and rattling for few thousand miles yet! So well done!!
But PLEASE get some soft jaws for your vices!!!!
My dad left when i was a baby.
When i was 14 he turned up on his 250 superdream and took me for a ride to see his mum, my nana i had never met.
I remember the bike and thinking he was a cool biker.
This was 1984.
I obviously didnt make a good impression as he never ever came back to see me again.
Im 54 now. He is now passed. But i will always remember that superdream.
that's real sad, i hope your life turned out ok
@@Bob-ts2tu Thanks. It turned out great.
I use my parents as the opposite of a role model and have vowed to be the kind of father I would have chosen for myself and my child trusts me and knows I would do anything to help her.
I wouldn't change a thing because without my past, my life today wouldn't be the same.
Wow that sounds ruff
Thanks George! ❤
Sounds good to me. It's not a 2000s bike mate, it's old
Well done, your hard work has paid off, I had a 250N when I was 20 in 1983!! Then ended up with a 400 Dream!! Lovely to see them getting rescued…. Enjoy the vids - makes me want to have a go!! Keep them up!! Martin/Suffolk
Very cool!
A really good hack I use to bleed the front brake on my trail bikes is to squeeze the lever in as far as it will go, then zip strip it to the handle grip and leave it overnight. The pressure atomisers the large air bubbles and they bleed back by themselves into the reservoir. Works really well keep up the vids mate thoroughly enjoy them, best way to learn is to have a crack at anything cheers.
I will try this and someone else mentioned it too cheers!
Great job Rye!
You’ve inspired me to do a full strip down and rebuild of my Ducati Diavel.
I’m nearly there now too, I’m just waiting on 2 MAP sensors and the fairings to be painted. I tried painting myself however I really screwed up the Matt finish. So it’s gone to a professional.
But everything else, I’ve managed to do myself. Hard work and Google 😂
Thanks mate
I’ve got a real soft spot for the Superdream. You’ve done a cracking job on it. Black is my favourite colour though 😉
Well done that bike looks great, it’s been a pleasure to watch you rebuild it 🏴👍
Well done not knocking you at all , but its certainly not sounding as it should sound. a little top end rattle cams maybe. Check out other bikes on UA-cam you will see.
The carbs need setting up and plus it hasn't been ran for a very long time. Do you not think it improved longer into the vid once it warmed up?
Awesome mate..sounds as sweet as a nut too..and that colour,,,love it.well done on the rebuild,it's a stunner.
It's got them cams that were made of cheese. Sounds like a bag of nails. Can you not hear it ?
The part where the engine was stone cold, and with carbs that obviouslyneed tuning? Can you hear that part?
@@BikesofRye yes it got better as the engine warmed up, but was still rough. It almost sounded like rod knock..
You did it,, good man remember I was 61 year old riding my super dream it was 43 year old I had the same bike at 18 and past my test on the same bike. In August I moved on to a suzuki GS650G 43 year old bike, wrapped up now for winter. Can't wait for next spring take care. 😊
What a journey its been. Ive seen your skillset and knowledge expand massively throughout the course of the project. I hope your very proud of yourself. Too many people will criticise but have never actually attempted to fully rebuild a bike. I know what its like to self teach this stuff and you've not given up were most people would have.
Keep it up and im definitely looking forward to more 👍
A top comment!! I'd love to pin this if I hadn't got a sponsorship! ❤
Nice one ryan,bike looks good, i,m sure your haters will be checking your video out and i wonder if they will take you up on your challenge and show you their bikes?😂
Brilliant ,thanks for saving it . Used to commute in and out of London on an old tatty black one with the tattiest Rickman fairing on it you could imagine .all weathers , never ever let me down .👍
You have put the tank decals too high on the tank, that’s a shame because you had done a good job otherwise.
Shes a beauty mate , great job , brakes probably started feeling better gradually as the pads and disc bed in
Hey great job and I hate to criticise anything but you really need to be careful spraying 2k paint. You really should have an air fed mask and protect your skin it's really bad stuff and could give you some serious issues. Nice job though and sorry for the doom and gloom message just wouldn't want anything bad to happen to you.
No need to say sorry!! All for constructive criticism mate. I discovered how messy it is and will certainly be looking at getting a little spray booth in the workshop
I agree. My Grandad was a bodywork specialist back in the late 60s/early 70s. He passed in 2010 from motor neurone disease and although there are no specific triggers as to what causes it, there’s a link between bodywork specialists and MND.
@@BH-tp3pm that’s very interesting u should say that as there is a part of the brain that is exposed from the olfactory system . Also I have known of two ex panel and paint shop owners who got very sick and vit c given intravenously combined with hyperbaric treatments was needed for them to recover
sounds fucked MATE
Haha you're fuming
@@murffff 😂🤣😂
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Wonderful. My 2nd bike was a CB250 K4 in '73 following on from a CD175. Your Superdream will cruise at 70 all day. Brings back memories. Thank you.
FANTASTIC JOB. Same color as my 1979 250n superdream. Brakes prob felt better because the pads were bedding in. Best rebuild channel on YT.
Appreciate you mate
It's so nice seeing your highs and lows with your super dream restoration. It just proves if you've got the right attitude, then good things happen - well done! 👍👍👍
So true!
If you want to compare the two Honda 250 offerings of that time, I have a 1980 CB250RS. Also dragged out of a garage last year after 37 years of being parked up! My tax disc is also 1986 😂 I'm only in Ashford 😉
Oh nice! Will you be installing the old tax disc too 😅 how did you find the rebuild?
@@BikesofRye The 1986 tax disc has pride of place on the bike! The guy who dragged it out of the garage got it basically running. I then, rather ambitiously, rode it back from the Lake District after it had covered less than 2 miles since 1986... Yes it broke down, and it took me two days, but it got me home and the proper rebuild began. I actually bought another CB250RS that had nicer blue paint rather than repaint mine.
@@MrDesmonick the 250RS is great bike, I had one myself in the days when learners could still ride 250's
The rs is a far better bike
@@chrisstephens6194 it most certainly is 😁👍
I like the greenery growing out of your ceiling
Rev counter not right.
Undo engine case where cable connects. And make sure it's messing correctly. Sounds like it's not. Easy fix and easier to get it wrong. Other than that nice work.
Front caliper 😱
Well done mate you've done a great job here. It doesn't matter what kind of bike I'm working on, it's always a thrill to get them out on the first ride, especially when they don't break down! 😂
Love your perseverance when things go wrong. I’d be doing a John Cleese with a big stick 🤣👍
Oh man let me tell you there were times I wanted to hit the bike with more than a tree branch 🤣
Looks very nice. I don't know if the mike is a bit sensitive in the upper frequency range but it sounds a little ticky in the top end. Might be worth checking out. These engines are known for timing chain and cam issues. My own 250 Drean rattled away quite voaclly. I didn't care as it was worth very little at the time, the early eighties, but this bike is now worth the effort.
I have just recommissioned an old Honda Rebe 250 that has stood for 20 years. Think it's the same engine but sigle carb thank goodness . Tank had intenal rust . I had to fit a new chinese tank . The engine is almost silent but I know they always sound worse through a mike so yours may be ok when heard normally . Both my tyres were age cracked so I had to replace them . They are great bikes once sorted . Not fast but reliable and easy to ride. Nice job you did . I really enjoyed the video .
Your joy at the first ride was nIce to see. Well Done for sticking with it! 👍
Ah man, you know when you spend so long on something it leaves you in a bit of shock when you find it actually carrying you down the road. It's quite the emotional rollercoaster rebuilding motorcycles
Congrats, you sounded surprised when it took off in 1st 🤣, I do think you still have a problem though as it did not sound right. Good Luck keep you the good work as long as you enjoy it.
Took it to bits didn't I ... 🤣 it needs tuning for sure
Have you not considered doing a college course in motorcycle mechanics ? Also you shouldn't of sand blasted the area were the brake piston sits as its a machined surface for a reason
To be honest, mate, it sounds as rough as a badger's ar53. If my memory serves me right Superdreams are supposed to have a smooth, whistly sound which yours most certainly does not.
I got told the same thing about the Thunderace I rebuilt. And I will hear the same thing with every rebuilt motorcycle. Mate
Sounds normal to me
@@BikesofRye DON'T shoot the messenger. Mate.
Best regards, dear heart xx
When you sandblasted the inside cylinder of the brake caliper and not honing it, I thought it was done for, instead it’s working like a dream. Great work Rye, you always pull through. The bike looks really good too. I knew you could do it👏 P.S. props for keeping it real.
Thanks! And noted for the future on the honing! I need to practice that little skill
Looks great this brings back great memories on my 250 who ever gets your 250 will be a very lucky person l do envy them yes you did have some down times but look what you have done l well sir you have done a great job thanks for your videos just wish I could ride your bike love it 👏👏👏👍😊
Thanks 👍
that engine sounds rough, check clearances, you f ed up that calliper by blasting the inside.. get a new one! and keep learning
That's how those bikes sound
Check the tacho. Does move with the engine revs.
Are you from Rye England? I just visited my archeologist friend who lives in Rye. It was my first time in England and rye is such a beautiful area. Great video!
Well done! I had a 79 Superdream, but I hated it!
I had a CB250G5 when I was 17, back in 1977. I loved it but always remembered my first real bike.
Now, at 64, I'm riding a 1973 CB360, which I restored.
I still have bigger bikes, but I enjoy the CB360. When I got it, the original tyres were still on it!
It was an American import.
Good to see a Superdream being saved , really enjoying this great bikes 🤟
That's what it's all about isn't it! The bike is able to see another open road 😀
I commuted on one of these all weathers for about 8 years brilliant little bike I loved it 😊 the only problem was in the snow and ice the throttle use to freeze up ! Great video 👍
nicely done, next time don't sandblast inside the calliper, I'd suggest replacing it yesterday. but well done, I'm just finishing a 1979 Honda cb750k, Just rewound the alternator "armature and stator"
I had one in 1997. The book speed was 90mph and I wasn't happy with the 70mph I got from it. I fitted a new air filter and platinum tipped Nippon Denso plugs. Managed to get 88mph from it. Small engine but physically big. Lovely bike.
To clean inside caliper like my 23 Yr old fazer,brass wire wheels are around £3 or £4 a pack,spray inside with brake cleaner and put brass brush in cordless drill,no damage done but you may use a few of them and get into the grooves the seals sit in,crap builds up in there even behind the seals,keep up the work it's good to learn.
To get the piston out the brake calliper, I remove the hose and bleed valve. Put a cloth over the piston (because they sometimes fly out) get an airline with the squidgy tapered nozzle put finger over hose hole. The air pressure should be sufficient to pop the piston out. One of my first despatch bikes was a Super Dream 250 that I bought in 1985 for £80. It lasted 5 months and was still running - I sold the front wheel and forks for £50 back wheel for £20 and the tank for £20 - Frame and engine were free to the buyer :)
Bikesure is awful, the bike looks good though. I had a few of these and a 400, not sure I'd want another but it brought back memories when you were riding it. I have a Honda xl250s that I'm bringing back to life but ive decided to just get it on the road without doung the cosmetics.
A quick way to pop pistons from calipers is to use compressed air. Place caliper on a rag on the bench and make sure the piston is pointing at the bench into the rag. Using an air compressor gun, place that in the inlet port and blow. The piston will come out very quickly!
Amazing job - thanks for sharing! I am just waiting for my 1988 CB450S to get her restoration finished. I put some 100k km on the speedometer while travelling through half of Europe (and beyond) before I left it in my barn for more than 20 years. I just can’t wait to see it back on the streets… Greetings from Germany.
I've owned 4 250 Superdreams and 2 400's over the years and most who knock them have never had one as they're great little bikes that do what they were designed to do perfectly,the 400 is really nice.
Great job but I do agree with others abut the sound of it,I know just rebuilt,low miles so far etc but it does sound a bit rough for a S/Dream and I've done a lot of miles of them over a lot of years.
1980's 250n rider. yes I know they were slow but a little change in gearing could help, 1 or 2 teeth up on the front and 2 to 4 down on the back. the engine could take that. the exhausts also strangled the breathing as did the air filter.change that and go up a jet size or 2 . solid engine that would take a few mods,not LC fast but,a little more ommph
Reset the idle speed,hot and cold fast idle,read the book first.tacho looks bad...?
I had one of these many bikes ago.Just bullit proof. Rode it like a firebalde . Just one bad thing. absolutely crap brakes. the bike ended when a clown pulled out on me, ending it's life.
I had the luck of the bends at boxhill on my daily commute before the 50mph speed limit. Ditto on the sandblasting inside the brake cyclinders. Not sure if it's the mic, as did sound a bit rough.
Excellent. I bought a cheap 1980 CB250N Superdream a few months back. It was running, but only just. It was really just a bit of a whim - I wanted to get a bike on the road and enjoy a few miles before the end of Summer. It has been such good fun - I've now done over 600 miles on it and have decided to keep it - it hasn't missed a single beat. It is extremely comfortable to ride even for my old bones (I am 65), and I'm happy to sit on it for an hour (plus) at a time.
I didn't do a full restoration - that will come later I just wanted it to run well and look OK. But the carbs were a nightmare at first. I ended up completely stripping them and cleaning them in an ultrasonic cleaner - which worked a treat.
I noticed that it looked like your balance chain tensioner was at its limit of adjustment. It is easy (with the clutch cover off) to move the adjustment 'thing' (strange slotted moving do-dah) round on its splines and get lots more adjustment. I did this to mine and it smoothed out the engine no end.
I never fancied it as a bike when I was younger, and am amazed by the number of people (older men usually) who talk to me and say it was the bike they always wanted (or the bike they had). I wasn't expecting to like it all all. But it is such a fun little bike to ride on country roads.
I've actually bought some luggage for it, and am so tempted to do a 'silly' long ride on it next year (like the NC500).
Nice job - it looks great.
Well done - great job. I’ve really enjoyed following this. I also restored a cb250n 20 years ago when I was 17/18. Brought back some great memories.
Well done - great job. I’ve really enjoyed following this. I also restored a cb250n 20 years ago when I was 17/18. Brought back some great memories.
Ive been waiting gorvthis upload fir a while!
Great to see.
Think it needs a bit of fine tining tho, and dont forget to run-it-in a little eh. 👍👍👍🏍️
That was awesome ! My second bike was a 250 super dream on a “V” plate…. The sound of the engine in your vid brought back all the memories…. Wonderful….
I bet that old girl is so happy. She wasn't even loved when young, and then you came along and made her a new woman. Marvellous.
very well done - you've shown tenacity and the never say die attitude and you deserved that ride. yes, you're right it needs a few tweaks shall we say, but once you've got those tweaks ironed out it'll run much sweeter - cam chain tension and balance weight chain tension adjustments ought to reduce those rattles - the tacho looks screwed though, seamed to lag BTW - did you manage to salvage the brake master cylinder or did you get a replacement? you didn't say. really really enjoyed the series, probably cos I had one of these in the 80s. I've been on forums recently asking if anyone has my old bike cos I'd like to restore it if it hasn't rusted away. congrats on a good job and I've been watching you since you started and you are definitely learning
My first bike was a 250N super dream so it’s amazing to see one look like mine back in the early 80s. Plus it sounds the same too so well done fella getting it back to its original condition. I’d love to have that bike in my garage so one of your patrons is going to be a lucky guy or girl.
When bleeding the calliper normally you’ve got to pull the lever for fluid to flow through…
If you’ve got it mostly bled, just pull the lever and secure it overnight… when you come back in the morning the brake will be solid.
Brilliant job, the bike looks great. Worth all the blood, sweat, and tears. And the satisfaction of bringing an unloved bike back to life. Cheers, looking forward to the next one. Take care.
ahhhh memories ... affectionately known as the 'Wet Dream' ... placid old plodder .
Just watched the entire rebuild, thank you for saving what to me as a young teenager was the ultimate motor bike the "dream" in fact. It is stunning only thing is i would have kept it black but the blue is nice.
Well done M8 bet you are glad that projects over haha absolutely love that colour blue and watching you rebuild it it's been entertaining keep it up look forward to next episode.
Congratulations, the bike looks great.
Thanks Mark for the feedback 👍🏼
Brilliant Job well done on the rebuild..its such a buzz to rebuild a bike and then ride it for the first time...I had a Honda Super Dream back in the 80s
Use plumbers thread tape on the bleed nipple to stop air being pulled back into the system through the bleed nipple threads - saves an awful lot of time lost bleeding brakes
A fantastic achievement. Well done 🎉
Thank you so much 😀
..I can remember spending 6/7 hours Bleeding the front brake on the 400 CC version of that!
If ever there was a misnomer then Super Dream is it (former RD 250 owner) 🤭
Lovely job. That looks great. Thanks for all the highs and low of rebuilding old bikes. 👍👍👍👍
For a beginner, you have a lot of technical knowledge. 🤷🏼♂️
A brill job I love my 250 in blue as well ,I've just got to replace throttle cables next ,love ur vids
Well done, you’ve done a great job, I’ve had a 250 and a 400, great bikes, love them or hate them
Passed my test on one of these with a sidecar on it in 1989 and I can remember that these calipers were like hens teeth even back then.
I would like to see more of the paint job you did on the tank? How did you do the Honda logo?
Disappointed by the lack of hammer action in this upload.........
Well done, new skills and a heritage bike returned to service 👏
Well done great achievement, thanks for sharing.
Bikes looking good. 100 times better than when you picked it up. Are you going to do a cost break down on it? Interesting to know as all the small things soon add up. These projects are never rarely a financial success but as you know it’s not all about money. Great video as can’t wait for the next project.
Not a bad idea! I could do a quick run down in a future upload
Well done as always you need a vacuum bleeder suck out the air
Just subscribed, great to see these old bikes get a new lease of life. I'm into this sort of stuff, just ordered a grit blasting cabinet. I got tired of a wire brush and wire wool for the past 50 years. Paint job looks ok too, well done.
Thanks! Make sure you get a cyclone filter for your cabinet. Dust gets everywhere!! 😉
Those clocks and light cluster look so good. Who needs TFT?
Fantastic job mate the bike looks gorgeous 👏💪
great job. Well done
Thank you! Cheers!
Hmm, it sounds really 'cammy'.
Bike seems to run quite well, which is a surprise given the nature of those Keihin CV carbs with the metal slides. I was a bit concerned when the idle wouldn’t settle but it seemed to just be adjustment as it sounded slow and steady when hot. Seemed to go ok by Superdream standards, the 250 was always a solid bike but overweight and underpowered. Honda actually got worse at making 250 parallel twins as time went on for some reason, a CB72 or CB250K1 would absolutely blow the doors off the CB250N despite being a 10-15 year older design with only two valves per cylinder.
I've learnt that it takes quite a while to warm up! Once it was warm it rode almost perfectly. Carbs need balanced though. And yes it's not very fast!!
You’ve exceeded yourself on this one. It looks spanking.
People were commenting on the rough sounding engine. I checked around UA-cam and quite a few of them sound like yours.
It obviously performs well. Balance the carbs I reckon.
Top job 👌🏻
In person it sounds great I think. And yes carbs need balancing 😁
Oh look there's your hot girlfriend again lol 😍🔥
Ime delighted to see the old honda ride again 🤗 in 1997 I had a HONDA CB250RS in red and I crashed it into a river and left it thare for 3 days cos I was hurt 🤕 I went with my uncle and fished it out the river with a tractor and after a few hours fetling fresh fuel oil and filters it started with 10 kicks 💪👍 love these old Hondas ❤
They are unstoppable 🤣
Good one! So many lovely memories of the Honda 250N. thank you for sharing! Best regards from Sweden.
Welcome! And thank you!! 😊
Great job bud as always hats off to u 👏 the dream looks fantastic
Sounds SWEEETTT!!!
At least someone reckons so!! Thank you 😊
2 points I would like to make. First the gearing on the 250 was the same as the 400 so it can feel sluggish. Put a bigger front sprocket on it to lower the gearing and it will pull better. Secondly when bleeding the front brake caliper you need to raise the front wheel to get all of the air out. The bleed nipple is angled and is not the highest point. Well done with the rebuild
A bigger front sprocket will RAISE the gearing.
Very reliable engine if I'm correct they had 3 valve heads not much to go wrong with them really. 😊
Yes your memory serves you correct 😀