it was sounding great before editing! of course editing goes along with the genre of music you play and how it blends with the rest of the instruments, but hell yea it captured the raw drums perfectly !
I got the L20 and am a drummer as well. I have a room mic that really makes a difference. I found your channel by searching for "how to" vids on the L20. You sound great!
Great man, unedited sound awesome and edited audio the bass drum and snare so cool,personality I like the bass drum sound,Man can you recommend me a Mixer Multritack? Like that Zoom I was thinking buy the Zoom live track 20,Mackie ProFX30 or the Souncraft signature MTK 22 .
Thank you! Unfortunately I don't have any more experience with devices like this. This is a great option if you want to use it for live situations but if you gonna be in a studio I would always prefer a computer and external audio interface
Bravo. The drumming is fantastic, and your drums sound very good too. Yea, some start to criticise, but one has to remember, you can take this one recording and mix it different ways which will give you different results. As a demo video it shows what you can do with the L12. I can't wait to buy one, thank you for posting this!! love it.
Thank you for the very kind words! And also thank you for understanding. When I made this video I had almost no idea how to mix drums so i understand why people point it out. If you have some skills when it comes to mixing/record drums, the Zoom LiveTrak can bring great results! It's a great machine for the price. Thanks for watching!
@@SimonAspsund I am just starting to experiment with recording drums at home. If you could only buy one device to get started, which one...Focusrite 18i20 or Zoom.L-12?
@@CARLOSDIGGS I kept my Focusrite and I would choose Focusrite 18i20 every day! If you want to record without a computer then the Zoom is a great option. Otherwise, the Focusrite is the way to go.
Very nice drumming and sounding too.. I'm pretty new to drum recording and needs to do few purchases soon.. Is there possibility to have a midi recording with this zoom? thank you.
Depends on what kind of sound your going for I guess , this sounds closed and boxed in, I like my drums to sound big and open , I don't know why these days I see everyone mic every single drum, one on the kick and snare , two overheads and 2 or 3 strategically placed in a room away from the drums will give you a much better drum sound , unless you want that tight boxy dead sound.
I think it also depends pretty much on the room and if you use a room mic. Like in this video, I don't use any room mic at all. I only used the mics that I mentioned because those were the only mics I had at that time. Thanks for your feedback
SimonAspsundDrums it's not a bad sound by any means , if you got put one or two large diaphragm mics about 15-20 feet back and high as you can get if the room allows for it , it will open them drums up big time, great drumming tho.. 👍🏼
Oh thanks didn't know about that! But I agree, the sound is very "compact" in this video. I didn't mean to sound salty. And of course I want a more natural sound, but I sit right against the wall so there is no space at all, unfortunately. I've started to use a cheap room mic and it helps a bit but there's not much to do in this little room, haha!
Yeah. No. More mics will not make it sound tight and boxy. More mics equal more options. The mix decides how it sound. I am not a fan of this mix but I also think this digital board has decent cheap pres but terrible eq and terrible effects. There's not a lot of mixing able to be done on that board... You can always turn mics down but you can't add more.
Koolteeth1 I only had this device for a couple of days to try out the sound it produces. So I can't answer that but if I remember correctly you should be able to listen to one track at the same time you're recording the other tracks. But ask Zoom about this question!
This is a nicely done video both recording and performance-wise. Thanks for posting. I have been considering purchasing the L12 to record live tracking of my student band as they play live together as we have limited resources and this mixer seems fit some of those needs including running each instrument feed separately through usb to DAW thnx again.
I don't have much more experience about the L12 than in this video but yes, I guess it's really good for recording live performances! Sound quality is also great. Thanks for your kind words
I like the raw drums too, sounded very natural and full. The edited bass drum sounded very clicky, the snare was kind of super constrained and the toms a bit boomy. I'd recommend always AB'ing with what you had while editing, so you don't lose yourself in the neverending edit sessions. We've all done that. :) Awesome drumming by the way!!!
Thanks for the feedback! I will totally think of this the next time I edit my drums. I agree that the mixed sound in this video is unnatural. Thank you!
Yes it sounds good. I've compared this Zoom to the Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 2nd Gen and it's almost exactly similar in sound quality, both recorded in 44.1khz and 24-bit. I have now uploaded a sound test video of the Scarlett today. I've mixed the sound different though so you can only compare the part with raw audio of these two. If you're interested. Anyways, thanks!
I actually went with Scarlett and DAW. The sound is better on the Scarlett. But there's not a huge difference. But if you don't want to use DAW the Zoom is great!
As we practice in a cramped space with 100w amps I'd love to know if it is possible to record all tracks but send to the PA (through the master out) just the vocals, that would make it the perfect solution for us.
you just have to send the vocal channels only over to the monitor outs, that way you record everything to the main mix but only singing is heard in your PA or monitor cubes
Focusrite is better I think. But if you gonna use this device as it's made for, live situations and stuff like that and as an independent audio recorder, it's really good!
I don’t think the editing is bad. It does really depend on the genre of music you’re going for. I do personally prefer a more unedited natural sound but it sounds like you’re going for a more metal sound. I would think of a way of matching the Toms to the snare and kick a little better though. Either a tiny tiny bit of reverb on the snare and kick or muffle up the toms a little or a filter. Cheers.
Hi, first of all nice drumming! I've got a question. Is possibile to record first and after export all tracks separated? I was thinking that i could record 8 channels with my audio interface and other 8 tracks with this.Let me know about this please :-)
Hi, thanks! Yes, that is possible. You record into an SD card and you'll find every single track there when you plug the SD card into your computer. The tracks are saved on the SD card automatically. But if the case is that you just want to be able to record 16 mics, I would rather recommend maybe buying a second audio interface that you also plug into your computer. So you use two at the same time. There can be some complication problems if you're unlucky though. But if you want to retake something when you're playing and use both an USB audio interface and the Zoom Livetrak, it will be a pain in the ass since you need to do double the work all the time.
Thank you very much! I used a gate, EQ, a compressor that bring some punch to the snare and a little reverb. I don't really know what I'm doing when I mix drums though.
Nice video and nice playing ;) And just FYI editing is not about using EQ and compression - that's mixing - editing is about editing the performance, correcting time, removing noises, etc. Just so you know :)
Having a hard time deciding if i should get this or a Zoom R16? will use it for home recording only would hope someone can suggest to me which is the best choice thanks!
Depends on how much you wanna spend and if you gonna use other features that this one has and if you want better sound. This one has better pre-amps/sound of course
Simon Aspsund Drums I just checked the price and they’re far apart from the price! I might go for R16 it fits my budget range for now i thought this is close to it, Great sounding kit btw! Even when its unedited the sound it gives is awesome
I've been researching this mixer, but I have another unrelated question. What do you use for that stacked cymbal? I like the way it sounds both unedited and edited.
Yeah it's a great stack. It's called the Luke Holland Bullet Stack. It's a Meinl 12" Classics Custom Trash Splash on top of a Meinl 16" Byzance Vintage Trash Crash.
@@SimonAspsund hmm...but what do you think about the onboard effects. I need a serious easy processed mix for my live Streams...not crazy fancy mixes ;-)
@@LucknLoLer I never used the effects actually but I can imagine that they're good and pretty simple so I think you'll be good to go! Sorry for the late answer.
I want to get one. But I worry if I would be able to live mix/record a standard sized band. If you use 4 mics for the drums, I still need to have 3 mics for vocals, 1-2 guitars, 1 bass, 1 keyboard, 1 sax. Worried about running out of inputs. Second thing I worry is on using external effects looping back into channels.. Would that be a limitation on the L-12?
Very good demo. Shows great use of simple affordable and very good sounding products. It's always going to be easy to pull apart certain aspects of this mix as everyone who has ears will hear a "version" of the audio, it's extremely subjective to each individual. Great playing and if this is only the start of your mixing and production, you are one to watch. Loved it, as a bit of a joke.... needs more cowbell on the middle section...….
Thank you for your kind words! Yes this was the first time/first video that I mixed drums myself. If you want, you can check out my recent videos. I still do all the work myself. Thank you again! Haha, I like that one :)
I tried to find any difference when listening to the raw audio from both 18i20 and the Zoom but I didn't actually hear that much of a difference. The Zoom Livetrak is a great machine for its price! But I chose the 18i20 because I personally think that it has slightly better pre-amps.
Hi i would like to know if recording is straight ( without Eq comp or other stuff ) when comes out on SD card..is it possible add eq or manipulate live sound without affect the record on SD? Thanks :) for video
Hi Marco, that's a good question! Sadly, I can't answer that. I would look it up with the Zoom support team about this question. Here's a link: zoom-na[dot]com/support-and-downloads
On the L-12, raw. I edited the audio in Cubase afterwards. And that project is gone. But I wouldn't rely on those settings anyway since I didn't know what I was doing at this moment lol.
I have the 16 track unit ...sound coming out of the headphones has to be very low otherwise it'll completely distort and clip .. just can't get enough output from it.. very poor design
To me it sounds back to front. As in you mixed/panned the drums the way you play them, whereas when you listen to most music they’re mixed/panned as if you’re are watching them.
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it was sounding great before editing! of course editing goes along with the genre of music you play and how it blends with the rest of the instruments, but hell yea it captured the raw drums perfectly !
Correct, all the sound and tone was there ! Editing is an art ! Great job !
I got the L20 and am a drummer as well. I have a room mic that really makes a difference. I found your channel by searching for "how to" vids on the L20. You sound great!
Nice man. Thank you. I also bought a room mic after this video and it sounds more open and full now. A room mic is great.
Can you plz make a video for L-20?
@@quattro4s What can I do for you? The principles for the L12 and L20 are pretty much the same...
I'm "sold"! Great Job Simon from raw to edit thats hows its done.
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
GREAT SKILLS MAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow that's very cool drumming. At first I was looking for video about ZOOM L12, now I become a fan of you, subscribed, keep on!
Thank you so much! It's a pretty old video. But I appreciate it!!
Great man, unedited sound awesome and edited audio the bass drum and snare so cool,personality I like the bass drum sound,Man can you recommend me a Mixer Multritack? Like that Zoom I was thinking buy the Zoom live track 20,Mackie ProFX30 or the Souncraft signature MTK 22 .
Thank you! Unfortunately I don't have any more experience with devices like this. This is a great option if you want to use it for live situations but if you gonna be in a studio I would always prefer a computer and external audio interface
Bravo. The drumming is fantastic, and your drums sound very good too. Yea, some start to criticise, but one has to remember, you can take this one recording and mix it different ways which will give you different results. As a demo video it shows what you can do with the L12. I can't wait to buy one, thank you for posting this!! love it.
Thank you for the very kind words! And also thank you for understanding. When I made this video I had almost no idea how to mix drums so i understand why people point it out. If you have some skills when it comes to mixing/record drums, the Zoom LiveTrak can bring great results! It's a great machine for the price. Thanks for watching!
Is it possible to capture effects and faders via USB on your PC? Because on Windows, I only have a flat microphone sound.
This Editing is pretty good in my opinion! Good Job, realy like it!
Nice demo
Thank you!
@@SimonAspsund I am just starting to experiment with recording drums at home. If you could only buy one device to get started, which one...Focusrite 18i20 or Zoom.L-12?
@@CARLOSDIGGS I kept my Focusrite and I would choose Focusrite 18i20 every day! If you want to record without a computer then the Zoom is a great option. Otherwise, the Focusrite is the way to go.
@@SimonAspsund Thank you.
Awesome, been considering the L-12 or L-20 to DIY record my band. Thanks for sharing this!
Excellent performance Simon! Really great style on drums! I was researching the Zoom LiveTrack L-12 and found your video because of that.
Thank you very much, Paul! Appreciate it!
Very nice drumming and sounding too.. I'm pretty new to drum recording and needs to do few purchases soon.. Is there possibility to have a midi recording with this zoom? thank you.
Thank you very much! Sorry, I can't answer that. I don't use midi
Well done and thank you xx
Really good video
i like the snare after editing
Great! I don't remember how I mixed it here though.
Good job and greate grove and fill man 💪 see you by Italy Sardegna 🎩🎙️🎚️📀👋😎😊
Depends on what kind of sound your going for I guess , this sounds closed and boxed in, I like my drums to sound big and open , I don't know why these days I see everyone mic every single drum, one on the kick and snare , two overheads and 2 or 3 strategically placed in a room away from the drums will give you a much better drum sound , unless you want that tight boxy dead sound.
I think it also depends pretty much on the room and if you use a room mic. Like in this video, I don't use any room mic at all. I only used the mics that I mentioned because those were the only mics I had at that time. Thanks for your feedback
SimonAspsundDrums it's not a bad sound by any means , if you got put one or two large diaphragm mics about 15-20 feet back and high as you can get if the room allows for it , it will open them drums up big time, great drumming tho.. 👍🏼
Oh thanks didn't know about that! But I agree, the sound is very "compact" in this video. I didn't mean to sound salty. And of course I want a more natural sound, but I sit right against the wall so there is no space at all, unfortunately. I've started to use a cheap room mic and it helps a bit but there's not much to do in this little room, haha!
Yeah. No. More mics will not make it sound tight and boxy. More mics equal more options. The mix decides how it sound. I am not a fan of this mix but I also think this digital board has decent cheap pres but terrible eq and terrible effects. There's not a lot of mixing able to be done on that board... You can always turn mics down but you can't add more.
Well done
Great video Bro. looking forward to getting the Zoom L12. Thanks for sharing
Glad it was helpful!
Sound great. 💀🔥
I recorded drums with this thing and it's clean can't wait to do a project with it. I have the l20 I had the 12 for the first time a few years ago.
Thanks! This is the reoson why we decided to buy this mixer. Great review! Keep it up!
Thank you, I'm glad it helped!
awesome drumming man, the L12 sounds cool too
Big thanks man! Yeah, it's a cool device.
Is it able to loop one playback (eg the hihat) and record other channels at the same time?
Koolteeth1 I only had this device for a couple of days to try out the sound it produces. So I can't answer that but if I remember correctly you should be able to listen to one track at the same time you're recording the other tracks. But ask Zoom about this question!
SimonAspsundDrums thx for the good advice. I'll post the answer here ;)
This is a nicely done video both recording and performance-wise. Thanks for posting. I have been considering purchasing the L12 to record live tracking of my student band as they play live together as we have limited resources and this mixer seems fit some of those needs including running each instrument feed separately through usb to DAW thnx again.
I don't have much more experience about the L12 than in this video but yes, I guess it's really good for recording live performances! Sound quality is also great. Thanks for your kind words
BRAVO !!!!!! DRUMS 5*****
Thanks very much!
That mixer have gate and compressor?
No gate, 1 knob compressor
AFAIK there IS one Gate option in the FX routing, don't know if it's any good tho
Unedited sounds better. You gotta leave room for other instruments in the mix don't forget.
Thanks for the feedback!
I like the raw drums too, sounded very natural and full. The edited bass drum sounded very clicky, the snare was kind of super constrained and the toms a bit boomy. I'd recommend always AB'ing with what you had while editing, so you don't lose yourself in the neverending edit sessions. We've all done that. :)
Awesome drumming by the way!!!
Thanks for the feedback! I will totally think of this the next time I edit my drums. I agree that the mixed sound in this video is unnatural. Thank you!
What other instruments?
petrikyto guitars, bass, keyboards, synths etc
Did you mix on zoom livetrak Only?
Any extra software or external tool you're added???
No mixing was done on the Zoom unit. I only mix in Cubase
How many track can record with it simultaneously in DAW??
Thanks! I only record drums now and just want to get away from DAWs. Sounds better than expected and good chops! Extremely helpful.
Yes it sounds good. I've compared this Zoom to the Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 2nd Gen and it's almost exactly similar in sound quality, both recorded in 44.1khz and 24-bit. I have now uploaded a sound test video of the Scarlett today. I've mixed the sound different though so you can only compare the part with raw audio of these two. If you're interested. Anyways, thanks!
SimonAspsundDrums can it record at 48khz/24bit? And u can hear click and base during recording? Thanx
Yeah, you can record at 96khz also. But at that quality, the effects are not usable on the machine.
For sound and efficiency would you choose Zoom or Scarlett & DAW?
I actually went with Scarlett and DAW. The sound is better on the Scarlett. But there's not a huge difference. But if you don't want to use DAW the Zoom is great!
Thanks for posting this hands on vid. Nice skills.
Thanks very much, I'm glad you like it!
As we practice in a cramped space with 100w amps I'd love to know if it is possible to record all tracks but send to the PA (through the master out) just the vocals, that would make it the perfect solution for us.
Unfortunately I don't know the answer to this question, sorry.
I think you can lower other instruments per headphone output. So yes. But didnt try that also
you just have to send the vocal channels only over to the monitor outs, that way you record everything to the main mix but only singing is heard in your PA or monitor cubes
Still use/ recommend this unit??
I only used it one time when I reviewed it so I don't know what's out today, unfortunately!
What about audio quality compared with Focusrite Scarlett 18i20?
Focusrite is better I think. But if you gonna use this device as it's made for, live situations and stuff like that and as an independent audio recorder, it's really good!
I don’t think the editing is bad. It does really depend on the genre of music you’re going for. I do personally prefer a more unedited natural sound but it sounds like you’re going for a more metal sound. I would think of a way of matching the Toms to the snare and kick a little better though. Either a tiny tiny bit of reverb on the snare and kick or muffle up the toms a little or a filter. Cheers.
Thanks for the tips man! This was one of the first videos I ever mixed though so it's kinda boring sounding. I think my newest sounds better :)
Simon Aspsund Drums definitely, just checked out a couple of your newer videos. Great progress man.
Hi, first of all nice drumming! I've got a question. Is possibile to record first and after export all tracks separated? I was thinking that i could record 8 channels with my audio interface and other 8 tracks with this.Let me know about this please :-)
Hi, thanks! Yes, that is possible. You record into an SD card and you'll find every single track there when you plug the SD card into your computer. The tracks are saved on the SD card automatically. But if the case is that you just want to be able to record 16 mics, I would rather recommend maybe buying a second audio interface that you also plug into your computer. So you use two at the same time. There can be some complication problems if you're unlucky though. But if you want to retake something when you're playing and use both an USB audio interface and the Zoom Livetrak, it will be a pain in the ass since you need to do double the work all the time.
Nice one! That`s what i wanted, to hear what it can do! Great vid. 8-)
Thanks! Glad it helped :)
On the mixed version, the snare sounds really good. What did you do to it in the mix to get it to sound like that? Playing is top notch too.
Thank you very much! I used a gate, EQ, a compressor that bring some punch to the snare and a little reverb. I don't really know what I'm doing when I mix drums though.
Nice video and nice playing ;) And just FYI editing is not about using EQ and compression - that's mixing - editing is about editing the performance, correcting time, removing noises, etc. Just so you know :)
Thank you very much! Sorry, english is not my native language. But at least now I know, thanks for the heads-up :D
I actually think the edited sounds better.. much cleaner, less mud - nice job great drumming too dude
Thank you very much!
Having a hard time deciding if i should get this or a Zoom R16? will use it for home recording only would hope someone can suggest to me which is the best choice thanks!
Depends on how much you wanna spend and if you gonna use other features that this one has and if you want better sound. This one has better pre-amps/sound of course
Simon Aspsund Drums I just checked the price and they’re far apart from the price! I might go for R16 it fits my budget range for now i thought this is close to it, Great sounding kit btw! Even when its unedited the sound it gives is awesome
@@SimonAspsund But if i will record drums the R16 will also be a good choice?
@@yveskiersten thank you! I have never used the R-16 so I don't know actually. But yeah, if you just want something to record with, I guess!
Simon Aspsund Drums Alright! Might go for the R16 since i’ll buy some mics that are also good thanks for replying bro!
Yo! So if I plug this straight into my DAW via USB when I record I’ll be able to record all 8 mics separately? Or is it one mix?
I never tried that but I think this device should be able to record each track separately.
U can do both
I've been researching this mixer, but I have another unrelated question. What do you use for that stacked cymbal? I like the way it sounds both unedited and edited.
Yeah it's a great stack. It's called the Luke Holland Bullet Stack. It's a Meinl 12" Classics Custom Trash Splash on top of a Meinl 16" Byzance Vintage Trash Crash.
Nice Drumming. Are the mixed part only made with the effects on the zoom mixer ? Cheers
Thank you! Nope, the mixing is done in Cubase
@@SimonAspsund hmm...but what do you think about the onboard effects. I need a serious easy processed mix for my live Streams...not crazy fancy mixes ;-)
@@LucknLoLer I never used the effects actually but I can imagine that they're good and pretty simple so I think you'll be good to go! Sorry for the late answer.
I want to get one. But I worry if I would be able to live mix/record a standard sized band. If you use 4 mics for the drums, I still need to have 3 mics for vocals, 1-2 guitars, 1 bass, 1 keyboard, 1 sax. Worried about running out of inputs.
Second thing I worry is on using external effects looping back into channels.. Would that be a limitation on the L-12?
Yeah, it depends on how many mics you need in a live situation.
I don't know the answer to the second question, sorry. I didn't keep the L-12.
oniaiki buy L-20
good groove!
Thank you!
Thanks for Your Video Review bro !!!
Thanks man I'm glad it helped!
Very good demo. Shows great use of simple affordable and very good sounding products.
It's always going to be easy to pull apart certain aspects of this mix as everyone who has ears will hear a "version" of the audio, it's extremely subjective to each individual.
Great playing and if this is only the start of your mixing and production, you are one to watch.
Loved it, as a bit of a joke.... needs more cowbell on the middle section...….
Thank you for your kind words! Yes this was the first time/first video that I mixed drums myself. If you want, you can check out my recent videos. I still do all the work myself. Thank you again! Haha, I like that one :)
nice video... drums are clean
Great video and demo. :) I was just curious, your drum mics go directly to the L-12?
Big thanks! :) Yes, that's correct!
Much better than 18i20 ! Why?
I tried to find any difference when listening to the raw audio from both 18i20 and the Zoom but I didn't actually hear that much of a difference. The Zoom Livetrak is a great machine for its price! But I chose the 18i20 because I personally think that it has slightly better pre-amps.
Hi i would like to know if recording is straight ( without Eq comp or other stuff ) when comes out on SD card..is it possible add eq or manipulate live sound without affect the record on SD? Thanks :) for video
Hi Marco, that's a good question! Sadly, I can't answer that. I would look it up with the Zoom support team about this question. Here's a link: zoom-na[dot]com/support-and-downloads
Mix comes on SD without any EQ or Effects, but AFTER Gain and Comp. Tracks 13-14 are mixer master output, these are only two with recorded effects.
Thank you both of you :)
Solid
Soooo, what EQ settings did you use for each track.
On the L-12, raw. I edited the audio in Cubase afterwards. And that project is gone. But I wouldn't rely on those settings anyway since I didn't know what I was doing at this moment lol.
I have the 16 track unit ...sound coming out of the headphones has to be very low otherwise it'll completely distort and clip ..
just can't get enough output from it.. very poor design
Fan vad kul! Är det bandets lokal eller har du lyckats hitta en egen lokal för ditt trumset? :) Gött lir och bra ljud! / Samuel
Tackar så mycket! :) Det är våran replokal som vi har med bandet. Den ligger nära, tar ca 15 min att cykla!
To me it sounds back to front. As in you mixed/panned the drums the way you play them, whereas when you listen to most music they’re mixed/panned as if you’re are watching them.
Makes for great air drumming when listening to the song!
Sounds amazing. But of course, a lot of it has to do with the microphones, mic placement, the drums, and the drummer.
Amazing drumming, unedited sounds better .. edited was too much EQed
Thank you!!
Dude is on the drums something serious
Big Agree
Know the difference with Livetra L-8? Is it just the number of tracks? ... *googles hehe
Unfortunately I don't know
Close that mouth bro XD