I was an only child(and a girl) growing up in a household of DV. As much as I learned to hate the Pigs as I grew and matured, and that is not who to call them on our people, at 6yrs. old I ran downstairs to the family who lived in the duplex that we shared. to beg to use their phone to call the police because my father was beating my mother unmercifully. No adult interceded, no adult outside my Mother to some extent, I say this, because she was young, and embarrassed for me to witness this, checked on me, no neighbor checked on me, and the other children clowned and ragged on me for the gossip from their parents and hearing about the entire incident. I am 67, still carry remnants of that shit!
Im rewatching the show and loving every second 😂. Im so glad i have stuck with this program since 2020. Highlight of the week when i see or know a video coming from yall!
I stronglyyy urge Kim and the Ear Dr to go back and watch tthe LAST 45 mins. I wont even listen to someone's opinion on it if they haven't personallly 😂 thaz my bad tho, but it's just please don't miss how beautifully EYL 71 ended with agreement and amicable chemistry and Zeni's amazing appearance
We all know someone abusive. You can turn away and claim not to know but we knew them even in highschool . Check the statistics - about 31% of men ADMIT that they consider it completely acceptable for a 16 yr old should be with an 30 ye old man . Only 15% women agreed
1:05:03 theres a new academic discipline around BM. Dr's Curry and Johnson OFTEN cover IPV, SA, & DV. I like Curry better than Johnson but they both have a very well sourced analysis
Interesting, @JoeyAfrika, Just a couple of minutes ago, just saw, on my timeline(?) the BPM show with Curry. Maybe it's algorithm, but I wonder, at the risk of being a conspiracy theorist, someone at BPM put that out there to say, 'we already spoke with him, so quit asking that he comes back to weight in on these discussions around gender', of late.
@@EmHotep4520FD signifier is an intersectional feminist. Who I don't think has in engaged our luminaries. They need to go ahead n leave him where they found him
@@JoeyAfrika FD has said many times he doesn’t identify as a feminist (not sure where you got that from). He even said this on his most recent video about the gender wars.
@@Anacaonas_Flowers I'm listening now. He used ambiguous language around his identification as a feminist. It doesn't make a difference tho with in the last 12 months I watched a video and he explicitly referred to himself as an intersectional feminist!
I can agree with Zenzi, with regard to the talk on abuse, that the talk of women being abused by men, the response should not be well what about women who abuse men, for if nothing else it seems reactionary. Here's the rub Zenzi: Regarding BPM, thus far, the latter has never, as far a I can recall, been spoken at all. Now is it because BPM can not speak to the abuse of males at the hamds of females, or is it because BPM will not speak to said abuse (even if independent of the former)?
1:53:06 FD signifier i dont think has heard of a pork chop n@tionalist before last month. He is someone else who also doesnt engage with our luminaries
@JoeyAfrika I think FD is a little more conscious then the RBN dudes. But I could be wrong. Those RBN dudes are always riding with Dore, they're mildly left of the Democratic party. I haven't watch in over a year but last I saw Dore had moved over to the right.
great discussion. if you change the name (im team BPM, dont give one inch, leave it right there plus the purple logo is fire) ya'll better find a map somewhere to slap...im hurting over here with that badge. which was ok when you had the 70's music now is just meh. anyhoo ... thank you for the discussion hope some of it is flushed out more.
If you all are going to have the conversation do so with honesty and some balance. Having these conversations without facts and data to pull from is highly irresponsible! To say that men who were spiking folks drinks back in the day are still doing it- HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT????!!! And for the sake of balance. How many men who are now in their late 30's, 40's and 50 were sexually abused by women- yep older women??? How would one know that without proof of fact or some sort of data??? See how that works?? Take a poll or survey and see how many men who are now in their late 30's, 40's and 50's who were sexually abused. You'll be surprised. Numbers like 21 million and or 19 million.... or 1 in every 6 men were abused and the numbers aren't accurate due to the stigma associated.... You guys should definitely do a show but you also should be honest, balanced, factual and with just a tad bit of data.
@JoeyAfrika Honestly, I began side-eyeing her when she was so excited about that disability TikToker who said Black men are the police of Black people. Just shallow, identitarian, liberal politics
Black women do experience IPV at higher rates when compared with other races. It's one thing to acknowledge the proportionality of certain types of abuse by gender, but I am hesitant to point to gender as the main vector through which we analyze violence in the community. For example, there are high rates of IPV in lesbian couples, even more so than in hetero relationships. Black children experiences the highest rates of abuse in our communities, in large part due to female caregivers. To put this at the feet of Black men is reductive, IMO. It might more helpful to look at this through an abuser/abused lens vs. men/women lens. Too often a gender analysis devolves into men, particularly Black men, treated as though they are inherently abusive. So many of proposed solutions from this perspective are basically, "Let's teach our boys not to rape!" The suggestion that 1) Boys and boys alone need to be taught consent and 2) most boys have the propensity to rape is insulting at best, dangerous at worst. I've heard on this very program the idea that the disrespect of girls/women starts in elementary school. Like...little kids fight. It's what they do. Why are we framing this, again, as little Black boys being latent misogynists? That's just one example off the top of my head, but the gender analysis of abuse, while well-meaning, has been consistently trash on this show. I think BPM (or whatever name y'all land on) should have a dedicated show on abuse in the Black community. Invite a panel with both men and women where we can speak honestly about IPV statistics, and how these conversations unfortunately paint straight Black men as little more than brutes while still centering victims (of all gender expressions). Would love to see a BMS scholar on the panel as well. Just my $0.02.
2 of the host on remix morning show just found out who the lumpen are. How can we expect ppl like that to have a material analysis? At least Ear Dr. is humble
@@JoeyAfrika I think not all social commentary about black relations have to have a material analysis. We first have to realize that most black people are not aware of what a material analysis is. It is therefore necessary to address problems at a basic level of black internalized anti-blackness, and leave our Marxist/Leninist analysis until a later date.
@anji_j I understand most of our people are ideologically empty. But you would expect a host on a purported leftist chanel to have a dialectic materialist analysis. Your statement implies Kims analysis is basic, which I would say is being generous. Ms. Jackie talks about there is no real left in the US. Dr. Ball talks about the global crisis of methodology. I think we all can agree WAYYYY too many people have a platform. Kim embodies ALL of the aforementioned
@@JoeyAfrika Dr Ball and crew do have a material analysis. But, they realize there are some who do not. I am glad they can reach others who don't. Sometimes trying to be too academic is way to arrogant.
@anji_j if you don't have a material analysis, it's easy to say unsourced things as Kim often does. It's easy to critique horizontally instead of systemically, and ultimately non materialist analysis leads to liberalism and conclusions that conclude and answers that dont answer. You dont have to be an academic to be materialist or to even have a sharp analysis.
@JoeyAfrika - Hmm, I disagree on this point somewhat. One of my critiques of BPM, as a supporter from the very beginning, that it's largely preaching to the choir ideology-wise. The ability to distill info and make it accessible to a lay audience is necessary and getting a wider audience and getting more folls on our side. That said, I think non-academics are more capable of understanding theory than we give them credit for.
I am so glad you will have F.D. Signifier on EYL. He has had several videos on the Gender Wars. I think his background in Sociology and his work as a media creator really helps to break down our conflicts in everyday terms. ua-cam.com/video/0h_g20UCwmg/v-deo.html
@@JoeyAfrika - Why does he have to engage radical thought? I think a discussion of black people on an everyday basis is a valuable intellectual pursuit.
@anji_j he doesn't have to. But to me someone's ideology is their most important identity. Someone who self defines himself as an intersectional feminist is someone I don't take serious
There was an abuser in every two houses on my street, including my father. We saved my sister from an extremely abusive marriage .
Thank you so much Kim for sharing your story. Sending you so much love
Healthy discussion on abuse and violence. Kim is right. We should have more similar conversation as an educational tool.
I was an only child(and a girl) growing up in a household of DV. As much as I learned to hate the Pigs as I grew and matured, and that is not who to call them on our people, at 6yrs. old I ran downstairs to the family who lived in the duplex that we shared. to beg to use their phone to call the police because my father was beating my mother unmercifully. No adult interceded, no adult outside my Mother to some extent, I say this, because she was young, and embarrassed for me to witness this, checked on me, no neighbor checked on me, and the other children clowned and ragged on me for the gossip from their parents and hearing about the entire incident. I am 67, still carry remnants of that shit!
It's sooo important for men to hear these issues from a female perspective because we don't hear those things often. We need to be reminded.
Im rewatching the show and loving every second 😂. Im so glad i have stuck with this program since 2020. Highlight of the week when i see or know a video coming from yall!
Kim brings up a great point... Wonder why men have trouble talking about SA & horrible men and traumatic stuff.
I think because we live in a patriarchal society, men are socialized to hide their feelings about abuse and abusers.
Definitely radical conscious Asian folks here in the Bay.✊🏾
I stronglyyy urge Kim and the Ear Dr to go back and watch tthe LAST 45 mins. I wont even listen to someone's opinion on it if they haven't personallly 😂 thaz my bad tho, but it's just please don't miss how beautifully EYL 71 ended with agreement and amicable chemistry and Zeni's amazing appearance
Zenzi*
We all know someone abusive. You can turn away and claim not to know but we knew them even in highschool . Check the statistics - about 31% of men ADMIT that they consider it completely acceptable for a 16 yr old should be with an 30 ye old man . Only 15% women agreed
17:35 Dr. Ball giving his day1 co-hosts material on his exchange with Diallo was eating at him at this moment lmao 😂
I'm so grateful for Kim schooling the Ear Dr.
Kim out here running for MVP of BPM ❤️ 🔥
I want Black Power Media Collective or Co-opt.
1:05:03 theres a new academic discipline around BM. Dr's Curry and Johnson OFTEN cover IPV, SA, & DV. I like Curry better than Johnson but they both have a very well sourced analysis
Interesting, @JoeyAfrika, Just a couple of minutes ago, just saw, on my timeline(?) the BPM show with Curry. Maybe it's algorithm, but I wonder, at the risk of being a conspiracy theorist, someone at BPM put that out there to say, 'we already spoke with him, so quit asking that he comes back to weight in on these discussions around gender', of late.
@@EmHotep4520FD signifier is an intersectional feminist. Who I don't think has in engaged our luminaries. They need to go ahead n leave him where they found him
@@EmHotep4520 they need to let Curry n Kim have planned one on one discussion
@@JoeyAfrika FD has said many times he doesn’t identify as a feminist (not sure where you got that from). He even said this on his most recent video about the gender wars.
@@Anacaonas_Flowers I'm listening now. He used ambiguous language around his identification as a feminist. It doesn't make a difference tho with in the last 12 months I watched a video and he explicitly referred to himself as an intersectional feminist!
Black Power Media
Shout out Asian revolutionary Yuri Kochiyama
Slap the map: change to spin the globe?
Whitman was the CEO of EBay .
25:42 is there a scientific approach to the naming process in regards to the algorithm?
I can agree with Zenzi, with regard to the talk on abuse, that the talk of women being abused by men, the response should not be well what about women who abuse men, for if nothing else it seems reactionary.
Here's the rub Zenzi:
Regarding BPM, thus far, the latter has never, as far a I can recall, been spoken at all. Now is it because BPM can not speak to the abuse of males at the hamds of females, or is it because BPM will not speak to said abuse (even if independent of the former)?
Did I hear the Roots on my way out?! 👀
27:43 CBS n Burton had the best 2
Nuanced
1:53:06 FD signifier i dont think has heard of a pork chop n@tionalist before last month. He is someone else who also doesnt engage with our luminaries
He's like the RBN dudes
@JoeyAfrika I think FD is a little more conscious then the RBN dudes. But I could be wrong. Those RBN dudes are always riding with Dore, they're mildly left of the Democratic party. I haven't watch in over a year but last I saw Dore had moved over to the right.
@@jonblaze4244 true. I think they still affiliate themselves with jimmy smh. FD is probably a step further to the left of RBN
great discussion. if you change the name (im team BPM, dont give one inch, leave it right there plus the purple logo is fire) ya'll better find a map somewhere to slap...im hurting over here with that badge. which was ok when you had the 70's music now is just meh. anyhoo ... thank you for the discussion hope some of it is flushed out more.
1:25:11 my baby mom pulled a gun on me and im on the way to buy that fool dinner right now smh lol
If you all are going to have the conversation do so with honesty and some balance. Having these conversations without facts and data to pull from is highly irresponsible! To say that men who were spiking folks drinks back in the day are still doing it- HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT????!!! And for the sake of balance. How many men who are now in their late 30's, 40's and 50 were sexually abused by women- yep older women??? How would one know that without proof of fact or some sort of data??? See how that works??
Take a poll or survey and see how many men who are now in their late 30's, 40's and 50's who were sexually abused. You'll be surprised. Numbers like 21 million and or 19 million.... or 1 in every 6 men were abused and the numbers aren't accurate due to the stigma associated....
You guys should definitely do a show but you also should be honest, balanced, factual and with just a tad bit of data.
Well said, family ✌🏿
Sounds like you feel some type of way about the conversation that most folks in the chat agree with.
21:55 respectfully how can we get Kims analysis beyond tick tock. She cites tick tock so regularly its kinda obvious its shaping her world view
I've heard her cite john oliver, celebrities, and some other liberal mainstream show. When does she engage radical thought?
@JoeyAfrika Honestly, I began side-eyeing her when she was so excited about that disability TikToker who said Black men are the police of Black people. Just shallow, identitarian, liberal politics
@@JoeyAfrika I think she watches BPM like the rest of us. But hear what you're saying because she could engage more than just BPM.
Wake that azz up, i love you guys, big fan of the breakfast club here
The Breakfast Club is a different show.
18:09 im wit Ear doctor if its funny its funny
If someone gets into a physical fight with a family memeber or partner does that make them an abuser?
Black women do experience IPV at higher rates when compared with other races. It's one thing to acknowledge the proportionality of certain types of abuse by gender, but I am hesitant to point to gender as the main vector through which we analyze violence in the community. For example, there are high rates of IPV in lesbian couples, even more so than in hetero relationships. Black children experiences the highest rates of abuse in our communities, in large part due to female caregivers. To put this at the feet of Black men is reductive, IMO.
It might more helpful to look at this through an abuser/abused lens vs. men/women lens. Too often a gender analysis devolves into men, particularly Black men, treated as though they are inherently abusive. So many of proposed solutions from this perspective are basically, "Let's teach our boys not to rape!" The suggestion that 1) Boys and boys alone need to be taught consent and 2) most boys have the propensity to rape is insulting at best, dangerous at worst. I've heard on this very program the idea that the disrespect of girls/women starts in elementary school. Like...little kids fight. It's what they do. Why are we framing this, again, as little Black boys being latent misogynists? That's just one example off the top of my head, but the gender analysis of abuse, while well-meaning, has been consistently trash on this show.
I think BPM (or whatever name y'all land on) should have a dedicated show on abuse in the Black community. Invite a panel with both men and women where we can speak honestly about IPV statistics, and how these conversations unfortunately paint straight Black men as little more than brutes while still centering victims (of all gender expressions). Would love to see a BMS scholar on the panel as well. Just my $0.02.
2 of the host on remix morning show just found out who the lumpen are. How can we expect ppl like that to have a material analysis? At least Ear Dr. is humble
@@JoeyAfrika I think not all social commentary about black relations have to have a material analysis. We first have to realize that most black people are not aware of what a material analysis is. It is therefore necessary to address problems at a basic level of black internalized anti-blackness, and leave our Marxist/Leninist analysis until a later date.
@anji_j I understand most of our people are ideologically empty. But you would expect a host on a purported leftist chanel to have a dialectic materialist analysis. Your statement implies Kims analysis is basic, which I would say is being generous.
Ms. Jackie talks about there is no real left in the US. Dr. Ball talks about the global crisis of methodology. I think we all can agree WAYYYY too many people have a platform. Kim embodies ALL of the aforementioned
@@JoeyAfrika Dr Ball and crew do have a material analysis. But, they realize there are some who do not. I am glad they can reach others who don't. Sometimes trying to be too academic is way to arrogant.
@anji_j if you don't have a material analysis, it's easy to say unsourced things as Kim often does. It's easy to critique horizontally instead of systemically, and ultimately non materialist analysis leads to liberalism and conclusions that conclude and answers that dont answer. You dont have to be an academic to be materialist or to even have a sharp analysis.
36:28 MESSAGE!!!!! How is Kims analysis still taken seriously
@JoeyAfrika - Hmm, I disagree on this point somewhat. One of my critiques of BPM, as a supporter from the very beginning, that it's largely preaching to the choir ideology-wise. The ability to distill info and make it accessible to a lay audience is necessary and getting a wider audience and getting more folls on our side. That said, I think non-academics are more capable of understanding theory than we give them credit for.
@@niknikkyI agree with you. My point was Kim admittedly doesn't engage with scholarly works. So what is she distilling?
@@niknikky in my estimation she destills tick tock videos, liberal media n celebrity gossip
@@JoeyAfrika I was speaking more to Kim's advice to Dr. JAB, which I don't disagree with
@@niknikky either do I
1:40:31 its interesting the blatant double standard.
@JoeyAfrika - c'mon...certainly spanking a kid is not on the same level as punching/kicking them to the point that there are bruises for weeks?
@niknikky I agree. But according to Kim if you put your hands on anyone in your household you are an abuser.
@niknikky there's definitely a difference. But according to Kim all physical altercations makes the doer an ab*ser
@niknikky there is definitely a difference. But according to Kim any kind of physical altercation makes some1 an @bu$er
@niknikky I agree, theres a difference. According to Kim any kind of physical altercation is @busive
FD signifier is an intersectional feminist....nuff said
15:23 not everyone on screen no matter of appearance, is right.
Jared is jealous of Diallo. Just sayin
Why is that?
How is that constructive and productive?
Check that part between 36:40 and 38:00.
@@theworkerhours3141 It doesn't seem so, not in the time you choose.
I am so glad you will have F.D. Signifier on EYL. He has had several videos on the Gender Wars. I think his background in Sociology and his work as a media creator really helps to break down our conflicts in everyday terms. ua-cam.com/video/0h_g20UCwmg/v-deo.html
FD is an intersectional feminist. Who I don't think has truly engaged black radical thought
His dialectics are broken
@@JoeyAfrika - Why does he have to engage radical thought? I think a discussion of black people on an everyday basis is a valuable intellectual pursuit.
@anji_j he doesn't have to. But to me someone's ideology is their most important identity. Someone who self defines himself as an intersectional feminist is someone I don't take serious
@@JoeyAfrikayou’ve repeated this lie so many times on this post, you may want to actually listen to his content before spreading false information.