For those unfamiliar, Israel Finkelstein is considered among the premier authorities on Post-Bronze Age Israel/Palestine/Transjordan. Among historians, a hotly debated topic is the historical validity of the Abrahamic texts. Conservatives consider the Bible and Torah to be largely accurate accounts of the events of the Bronze and Iron Ages. Biblical minimalists, believe that, aside from some small historical basis, the Torah and Bible are largely mythic in nature. Israel Finkelstein is a self-described centrist in the matter
@@johnbecay6887 No problem. The academic side of archaeology and biblical study is really hard to get biased about, because its almost all investigative and evidence based. Even Israel Finkelstein's critics in the Conservative factions, like Amnon Ben-Tor and Eilat Mazar wouldn't doubt Finkelstein's credentials. Nobody calls anyone heretic here, because that just doesn't apply. Side note: Although Israel Finkelstein sees himself as a centrist on the matter of the Bible as a historical document, I would place him more in the Minimalist camp.
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One of the great pities of our time. We have dedicated scholars and well funded institutions that gather and organize research and evidence but it is completely ignored.
Professor Finkelstein has done amazing work and we should be grateful to him and others like him for uncovering and making accessible one of the most important periods in our history.
Thank you. The best way to get along with both what we think we know should be. What we learn is based on the most recent hypothesis. Likely to be true but could be wrong. Always keep a open mind and do not disclaim challenges to current information, address the challenge and be glad that someone was brave enough to challenge the current theory.
It makes perfect sense that the Jerusalem of David and Solomon was small, and that it would grow in later centuries. And while Israel may have never been a huge empire, every original national capital starts small. Pasargadae was no Persepolis.
I think it would be interesting to find out what the environment was like in those biblical times. From what I can gather, in most regions around the world, every few hundred years or so, the climate usually changes between from being more arid, or wetter, or hotter, or cooler, etc. Lots of times, the rise and fall of different civilizations and cultures is correlated with environmental changes. If we find out more the environment, it might give us more clues as to how and why the development of the city was like so.
A possible implication of Prof. Finkelstein's closing comments (Jerusalem flourished when it suited the dominant empires) is that the present flourishing of Jerusalem suits the needs of the modern dominant empire.
While your statement is factually true, it ignores the fact that the same can be said of *all* small countries: Andorra, San Marino, Lichtenstein, etc, etc.
No. The current theory is that some Hebrew-speaking escapees from Egypt assimilated into existing Hebrew communities and their story was incorporated into the cultural gestalt of what would later become the Israelites. This is based on the fact that Egyptians actually recorded the conquest of Hebrew or Semitic-speaking peoples in Egypt (probably remnants of the Hyksos) and mass escapes of slaves in later dynasties.
I just realized that you're referencing Finkelstein's own ideas. If so, what he's been saying isn't that the Exodus narrative was an actual retelling of the Exile but that the version we have in the Bible has been adjusted to reflect the conditions after the return. The Exodus story itself is pre-Exilic. The prophets living in Judah actually wrote about Exodus. Part of Finkelstein's argument is that the Exodus story was invented to warn people of the Exodus that was to come, but that makes little sense in the way the prophets wrote about it because they all assumed their readers already knew the context. Archaeology have also shown motifs based on Exodus in pre-Exilic art and writings, so the tradition is old. Maybe it was indeed invented as a parable to warn people, and the version we have does show some hints of it, but more likely it was a myth that was already part of the cultural gestalt of the people living in Israel and Judah from ancient times.
The exodus is a story written sort of in reverse. What happened in actuality is that, after the bronze age collapse, Egypt lost its dominance and left the Levant. This gave the peoples in the levant, the Canaanites, especially the Phoenicians, the chance to flourish independently for the first time in many, many centuries.
That's not unrelated. What you call a "Hebrew accent" is actually the influence of a number of Jewish ethnoreligious groups, most notably the Ashkenazi Jews, who hailed largely from Germany after the war.
You don't take a bunch of people from all over Europe and the world dump them into a small place surrounded by unfriendly neighbors and not get some interesting and mixed up accents.
how could Jerusalem become then and now important? it's because Jerusalem plays a very implicated the great city of David. Bec David plays a great role in the history of ancient Israel. And in view, of how and what kind of government did David has made is something to revived and reinstate in the life Israel now. David was able to unite the kingdom of Israel
Israel Finkelstein's outdated view of David (as merely a village chieftain) and Solomon has been disproven by, ironically, his universityTel Aviv University''s recent research on donkey dung found in Timna near King Solomon's mines. @t
First.. It's a clue, not a prove nor a fact. Second.. It's a shit.. There's no indication of civilization based on shit. Third.. There's no such thing as shit fossil.
The talk begins at 9:20.
Thanks
You're the Real MVP
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For those unfamiliar, Israel Finkelstein is considered among the premier authorities on Post-Bronze Age Israel/Palestine/Transjordan. Among historians, a hotly debated topic is the historical validity of the Abrahamic texts. Conservatives consider the Bible and Torah to be largely accurate accounts of the events of the Bronze and Iron Ages. Biblical minimalists, believe that, aside from some small historical basis, the Torah and Bible are largely mythic in nature. Israel Finkelstein is a self-described centrist in the matter
😂😂😂 that or the Land described in Bible is not modern day Israel.
dorkmax thank you for your succinct, un biased explanation
@@naloamordemiel Hush. Yes it is. Yeru-Šalem is the exact same city as Jerusalem, that part is not in question
@@johnbecay6887 No problem. The academic side of archaeology and biblical study is really hard to get biased about, because its almost all investigative and evidence based. Even Israel Finkelstein's critics in the Conservative factions, like Amnon Ben-Tor and Eilat Mazar wouldn't doubt Finkelstein's credentials. Nobody calls anyone heretic here, because that just doesn't apply.
Side note: Although Israel Finkelstein sees himself as a centrist on the matter of the Bible as a historical document, I would place him more in the Minimalist camp.
@@dorkmax7073 thank you, Dorkmax, very informative. this is a fascinating time and place in history.
history and archaeology are lucky because of people like professor finkelstein......thanks from iraq
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It is a great shame that this doesn't get nearly as many views as conspiracy theory or theocratic channels on UA-cam.
One of the great pities of our time. We have dedicated scholars and well funded institutions that gather and organize research and evidence but it is completely ignored.
Professor Finkelstein has done amazing work and we should be grateful to him and others like him for uncovering and making accessible one of the most important periods in our history.
I am so thankful for every decent archeologist who had the guts to bring real discoveries as they are, not blinded by the biases of their beliefs!
thanks for his great contribution to the recent scholarly studies uncovering mysteries in biblical studies
Thank you. The best way to get along with both what we think we know should be. What we learn is based on the most recent hypothesis. Likely to be true but could be wrong. Always keep a open mind and do not disclaim challenges to current information, address the challenge and be glad that someone was brave enough to challenge the current theory.
That's the spirit we should all have.
@@billielachatte4841 I’ll have Tanqueray, thanks
It makes perfect sense that the Jerusalem of David and Solomon was small, and that it would grow in later centuries. And while Israel may have never been a huge empire, every original national capital starts small. Pasargadae was no Persepolis.
I think it would be interesting to find out what the environment was like in those biblical times.
From what I can gather, in most regions around the world, every few hundred years or so, the climate usually changes between from being more arid, or wetter, or hotter, or cooler, etc. Lots of times, the rise and fall of different civilizations and cultures is correlated with environmental changes. If we find out more the environment, it might give us more clues as to how and why the development of the city was like so.
A possible implication of Prof. Finkelstein's closing comments (Jerusalem flourished when it suited the dominant empires) is that the present flourishing of Jerusalem suits the needs of the modern dominant empire.
While your statement is factually true, it ignores the fact that the same can be said of *all* small countries: Andorra, San Marino, Lichtenstein, etc, etc.
@@RonJohn63 That's a fair point. Its not a cultural norm, its a political practicality
This made me think about the Shoshank redemption.
Make your escape prisoner.
Is there a theory by any scholar that the exodus from Egypt is based on a re-telling of the Babylonian exile?
No. The current theory is that some Hebrew-speaking escapees from Egypt assimilated into existing Hebrew communities and their story was incorporated into the cultural gestalt of what would later become the Israelites. This is based on the fact that Egyptians actually recorded the conquest of Hebrew or Semitic-speaking peoples in Egypt (probably remnants of the Hyksos) and mass escapes of slaves in later dynasties.
@@andrewsuryali8540 Thanks for the informative reply
I just realized that you're referencing Finkelstein's own ideas. If so, what he's been saying isn't that the Exodus narrative was an actual retelling of the Exile but that the version we have in the Bible has been adjusted to reflect the conditions after the return. The Exodus story itself is pre-Exilic. The prophets living in Judah actually wrote about Exodus. Part of Finkelstein's argument is that the Exodus story was invented to warn people of the Exodus that was to come, but that makes little sense in the way the prophets wrote about it because they all assumed their readers already knew the context. Archaeology have also shown motifs based on Exodus in pre-Exilic art and writings, so the tradition is old. Maybe it was indeed invented as a parable to warn people, and the version we have does show some hints of it, but more likely it was a myth that was already part of the cultural gestalt of the people living in Israel and Judah from ancient times.
The exodus is a story written sort of in reverse. What happened in actuality is that, after the bronze age collapse, Egypt lost its dominance and left the Levant. This gave the peoples in the levant, the Canaanites, especially the Phoenicians, the chance to flourish independently for the first time in many, many centuries.
Starts at 9 min. 20 sec.
9:20
Thanks for the start time. These long-winded intros are the worst.
Why do you need a 10 minute introduction by 2 people?
So that you may ask that question, i guess.
Seems to be an occupational tradition. Most of the archeologists, paleontologists give endless introductions.
well done!
It takes 9 minutes before you get to the meat of the matter.
Make sure you watch Ron Wyatt Discoveries . A blessed man
Sounds like a bunch of discrepancies to what we have been made to believe is the Holy Land.
Thats why you must turn to the truth and see that its history is flawless
Yes
A 10 minute introduction for a 50 minute lecture!
Totally unrelated but for some reason, a hebrew accent sometimes sounds like a german acccent.
That's not unrelated. What you call a "Hebrew accent" is actually the influence of a number of Jewish ethnoreligious groups, most notably the Ashkenazi Jews, who hailed largely from Germany after the war.
This guy sound tres French to me :)
Then is forma belgium
Facts! Lol
You don't take a bunch of people from all over Europe and the world dump them into a small place surrounded by unfriendly neighbors and not get some interesting and mixed up accents.
Is israel Finkelstein the brother of Norman Finkelstein????
No
israel DESTROYED BY SCYTHIA . cool !
Free Palestine from the river to the SEA.
What does it have t do with the video ???
how could Jerusalem become then and now important? it's because Jerusalem plays a very implicated the great city of David. Bec David plays a great role in the history of ancient Israel. And in view, of how and what kind of government did
David has made is something to revived and reinstate in the life Israel now. David was able to unite the kingdom of Israel
Decadente!
Israel Finkelstein's outdated view of David (as merely a village chieftain) and Solomon has been disproven by, ironically, his universityTel Aviv University''s recent research on donkey dung found in Timna near King Solomon's mines. @t
Links
@@ameerulaqmalmalek9470 www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/king-solomon-mines-bible-timna-dung
@@ameerulaqmalmalek9470 www.gospelherald.com/articles/70105/20170411/3-000-year-old-donkey-dung-provides-evidence-existence-king.htm
@@ameerulaqmalmalek9470 newsbreakersonline.com/israel-discovery-of-3000-year-old-donkey-dung-validates-biblical-account-of-king-solomon/
First.. It's a clue, not a prove nor a fact.
Second.. It's a shit.. There's no indication of civilization based on shit.
Third.. There's no such thing as shit fossil.