yess the fact that Rory actually went with Jess on the basket bidding date was so harsh of her...i'll love her forever and yes, she and jess did have amazing chemistry but Rory, honey....you practically humiliated your boyfried in front of the whole town, i'd be mortified lol
She did NOT humiliate stalker Dean in front of the town, Jess did and stalker Dean did to himself by not bringing enough money. She’s just a teenage girl trying to live her life.
This comment gives the same vibe as when people judge a girl for rejecting a public proposal. “He was humiliated oh no” who cares? She has the ability to make her own decisions. If he was not prepared for people to bid on her basket he’s not smart. He was insecure about Jess and didn’t trust Rory not to do anything. In a healthy relationship the guy would take it on the chin and have dinner with her later, but he blew up at her and people STILL blame Rory.
@@khiaaugustine9193 Dean had every right not to trust Jess or Rory. Rory asks why Jess is always messing with Dean and Jess basically says because he wants to. Rory knows exactly what Jess is doing, purposely getting under his skin and Rory lets him. And didn’t both Dean and Rory plan to have Dean bet on her basket and have lunch together? It wasn’t that Dean wasn’t prepared, but Jess just wanted to be a jerk and Rory does not stop him. In a healthy relationship, Rory would respect Dean and their relationship and not gone out with Jess. I would be absolutely livid if my boyfriend went out to lunch with a girl who 1.) likes him 2.) purposely makes me mad 2.) does not respect our relationship.
How was that harsh of her? That’s literally the rules of the picnic option. That was one of the small times I agreed with her when it came to jazz, she was just doing what she was supposed to dol
I didn’t like how Lorelai attacked Luke after the car accident. I understand her being upset that Rory was in an accident but her asking why did Luke bring Jess to Stars Hollow? He’s his NEPHEW! If Luke is willing to help her and Rory know matter how long she strings him along pretending she didn’t know he had feelings for her and she had feelings for him what would make her think that he wouldn’t help a blood relative. That part was incredibly selfish to me. I didn’t like that she made him feel so guilty he sent Jess away. It didn’t seem fair.
Lorelai was not acting right for sure. The accident wasn't Jess's fault, but Lorelai was waiting for an excuse to lose her temper about him. And she absolutely could not accept that it was Perfect Rory's decision to let him drive. She saw her baby hurt and wanted someone to blame. I guess I get it, to an extent. It wasn't right, but she was emotional and impulsive, and didn't find an appropriate outlet for her feelings.
I hate the way Lorelai attacks Luke, but that contrasted with how Luke goes to find Jess, and comforts him rather than yells at him is everything. It's a crucial moment that shows Jess really does feel the consequences of his actions, and that both of these guys really do care about others despite their $hit communication skills and feigned aloofness (or grumpiness on Luke's part). It makes me feel proud of Luke, but devastated for Jess, because you see how truly alone he is.
Don't forget, Emily guilt tripped Lorelai when she helped her get a loan for the termites. She held it over Lorelai's head to take Richard off her hands when he was freshly retired!!!
I just watched the termite episode and felt so sorry for Lorelai. Rory didn’t understand the gravity of Lorelai’s feelings about her parents and then spilled the beans before Lorelai could explain it to her, and she ended up with her parents a bit more closely entangled than she wanted :(
Yes exactly. I don’t enjoy when people just assume she’s trying to be a bad mom without contextualizing the situation they’re referring to and in this case, I felt she was reacting to the trauma, not Rory but I do understand that Rory didn’t connect the dots bc she’s only 16 so she felt personally attacked (or 17 atp idk)
I sometimes wonder why she didn't take the loan from Luke, or get Luke to cosign a loan instead of Emily. I understand she has a lot of pride, and maybe feels the sexual tension with him so she doesn't want that to be a factor. But it would have been better than weekly DAR meetings at the inn. Luke could be trusted not to make it inappropriate and Lorelai would have paid it off.
This season her relationship with her parents is so sad and efuriating at the same time. I feel so bad because they are always diminishing her, treating her like an idiot, and then guilting her into apologizing when she rightfully so call them out. And Rory did behave like a brat imo, because what does she think that her mother was no contact for over 15 years just for shits and giggles. I understand that she likes her grandparents but after seeing them only on holidays for so long how can she think that she knows best than Lorelai.
@@kierralovestv but lorelai was being childish, she did NOT have any other options and she knew it, she would have put her problems with her parents a side (like she when she asked for Rory’s intuition) and just swallow the bitter pill and asked for help, or she just have taken Luke’s offer (I know it came later on) but lorelai was being selfish, and childish, Rory had to do it for her. At the end of day lorelai could NOT have done it without her parents help that’s the FACT, it’s a sad & horrible fact but she would have been out of house without Emily. She should have just AKSED for the help with a price/exchange she’s willing to do instead of making her TEENAGE daughter act like the mature adult and asked for the help
I don't understand how people can call Lor selfish :( They establish that she does a lot for Rory, all their friends, and the town (i.e. the rummage sale, making event costumes, inviting the town to events at the inn) without expecting anything. Even the finale establishes that Rory's party is really to honor Lorelai.
Exactly. I think people who say that skip through the show or at least her parts bc they don’t like characters like her. I’ve been tryna crack the code on this since I entered the community bc I am always shocked when I see what people say about her
Lorelai can be a bit self-centered and my-way-or-the-highway (like her parents!) But she has nuance, and is really lovely too. I think the people who vilify her are the same people who don't see much nuance in general. She shares a couple characteristics generally given to 2-dimensional "mean/bad" characters and people assume she's one of those "mean/bad" characters.
I also think that people project their own parental issues onto Lorelai a LOT and don't make space for the idea that all parents are flawed. Don't get me wrong, Rory reckoning with how being raised by a teenage mother affected her is the missing storyline in Gilmore Girls and many parents refuse to recognize their own bullshit, but it's WILD to say that Lorelai is a bad, toxic or abusive parent.
Viewers seem to think more fondly of Richard than of Emily, but his episodes with Lorelai and Dean this season show us who he is really is imo. On a very real level he still thinks, “A Gilmore ought to act a certain way”, and just - can’t - accept that Lorelai is thriving and happy in a middle-class/lower-middle class life. And then when someone else can do something great and transforming for them (Dean getting Rory a car), he straight locks up and refuses to budge until a mistake is found, ‘cause he JUST - CAN’T - HANDLE that someone from that life could ALSO do something generous and magnanimous for them! “How dare you do something helpful for my daughter!? Don’t you know she’s supposed to be in misery and squalor when she’s not doing what we say!?” He’d rather throw a fit and be a Karen rather than admit that his daughter’s life is pretty good, because it contradicts the pattern of control and conformity he believes they’re right to enforce.
YESSSS. So many people are quick to paint Emily as the villain (and Kelly Bishop did an amazing job playing one). But Richard is a covert villain for sure. Even though he's not messing with Lorelai directly as often, he doesn't disagree with Emily's treatment of her. He even states as much after Emily tries to break Luke and Lorelai up. He agrees Luke is "unsuitable," and doesn't care why Lorelai is upset, but he's going to use anything he can to bring her back into the fold. He's a cruel and vindictive businessman, too, and brags about it. And then has the nerve to complain about being "phased out" of his company, when HE was the one who "invented phased out for that company." He is a snob, an elitist, and just plain mean. He and Emily are perfectly matched in every way. (And I LOVE their scenes together.) I've become more aware of his bullshit as I've gotten older and spent more time with businesspeople.
He is soooooooooo annoying, and part of my desdain for him does come from this "he's just a dude" place, but he is such a snob and anytime he's sad or having like big feelings it's always related to his sense of self worth, whereas Emily well she's awful but I guess she feels really guitly and lost about her and Lorelai's relationship. Richard never once even thinks he may be in the wrong, and you can tell he doesn't even notice that there's something wrong about the way Lorelai acts towards him. And he's so manipulative, with everyone, not just Lorelai.
11:33 As an Indian girlie, the "Indian food stinks" jokes took me by surprise. Indian food is very pungent because we cook with a ton of spices and use onions, garlic, and ginger in pretty much everything. But still, takeout Indian food definitely does not smell the same way home cooked food does. Even then, neither smells bad 😭. I understand that Lorelei and Rory have the palate of a five-year-old but that was unnecessary.
I'm Black. The accents in a later season and the common occurrence in American television to imply that Indian or South Asian food smells bad does offends me because I feel like it just shows a lack of cultural consciousness
"What are we gonna do about Dean? We gotta get him out of here!" girl my thoughts exactly😭The basket bidding episode was like my childhood romantic awakening, not to mention her calling Jess at the end of the episode I was like OH so THIS is love. Oh, Dean? You're still here??? 🤡 But jokes aside I love love LOVED this video, season two of GG in general is just my comfort season I could never get tired of rewatching it or watching videos about it (especially yours!)💖
Yeah Dean definitely wanted to do the deed with Rory while Lorelei was out of the house. He was like really trying to push Rory into inviting him over that when I watch that it makes me uncomfortable.
Even if it wasn't about sex, it's still so rude and inappropriate. And then he has the gall to be mad that Paris and Jess also showed up uninvited (though they weren't expressly told not to.) It could also have been that he didn't trust her and assumed she'd be cheating with Jess, which is why he was IMMEDIATELY furious. And again, I agree Rory treated Dean like dirt. But he should have just dumped her instead of going through that possessive creepy phase.
The girl legit cheated and y'all thought "We're winning, we're winning"!?!? I was livid. both the gilmore girls SUCK at confrontations and difficult conversation. I don't like Dean, but i hate how Rory treats him..
Something I love about you is how naturally and intelligently you talk about Gilmore Girls. It's very relaxing and calm yet you clearly present your opinions so smoothly and passionately, love it!
At 9:00 where you mentioned the conversation between Lorelai and Chris: in my opinion she meant what she said, and the way I understand it is: when she got pregnant at 16 she had to mature and make adult decisions even though she was a child, while she let him be a child and mature at his own pace into responsibility, without expecting him to be a father when he didn't know how to be. So she kinda waited, when he finally grows up, and to maybe get together then. Also, she chose to have a child, and with that choice alone she uprooted the life of Christopher in some way, because regardless of anything society, family etc will always make him feel guilty of not being a father. She almost was waiting to make sure that he is finally mature and happy, despite her decision to have the child, that inadvertently changed his life too. And yes, Lorelai can be immature at times, which should not be surprising considering that she skipped some developing phases and her admitting that she has sabotaged past relationships is showing that she is partially aware of her own underdevelopment and immaturity. So having the ability to be this honest is pretty mature on Lorelais's side, while Chris is still too dumb, self-centered and immature to understand that.
I think Chris got mad because he still wanted Lorelai. And her saying she was subconsciously waiting for him made him realize he could have had her if he figured it out a bit earlier. He's mad at himself and too weak to admit it.
I totally agree with you! But I think that Lorelai wasn't really open for Christopher to return either. They could have matured together. He was always available to her and made sure she knew but she refused to take him serious and that's what really pisses him off. They were both too immature before this point in the story. (At least that's how I remember it, haven't seen it in a few month, but watched it regularly)
@Icetea710 ehh, I think if he had made more effort to be present in Rory's life, Lorelai would have had a reason to take him seriously. During season 1, it's established that Rory doesn't see him often, and that she's used to him flaking on her. He doesn't even focus on a career so he can contribute money to her upbringing or education. When he finally starts to get his life together, he explicitly states that it's because Sherry pressured him into settling down. He starts calling and seeing her regularly because of the structure Sherry insisted on. Which okay, it's still nice I guess, but it isn't really Sherry's job or Lorelai's job to make Christopher do that. He should have done that on his own, for Rory. Lorelai did. I understand if a teen parent freaks out and takes some time to get it together. But he was solidly in his thirties when the show began, and still not making a consistent effort to be present for Rory. Edit: AND Lorelai showed an interest in getting together with him (after the Coming Out Ball) because she saw how he was finally being a responsible adult and being there for Rory. She took that seriously and wanted to be with him. But he had to admit he was with Sherry.
It really bothered me when rory judged lane for the cheerleader thing. It was not rorys finest moment...also the show was not the same when Madeline and Louise were not there
I think this was the episode that made me really start hating Christopher. And yes, I think his reaction is based in guilt. (Plus, honestly, has the guy never heard of condoms?!?!?)
I simply don't understand the whole "Jess wasn't that bad, Rory loved him and he loved her" thing. Jess was clearly a jackass. He was rude to everyone, he did commit petty crime, he lied, he was defiant, and he openly manipulated Rory into creating a rift with Dean so he could get his way. Sure there was mutual chemistry there but the way he went about it was a dead giveaway of his rotten character and gee would you look at that, he left without saying goodbye because he was too emotionally immature to even face Rory after completely screwing everything up. Rory was the true vicious trollop for the way she publicly humiliated Dean and absolutely broke his heart and lied to him. The accident happened because Jess pressured her into ice cream and drove her car. Regardless of it purely being an accident, they were meant to be studying and Jess never should have been driving the car Dean busted his behind to build for Rory. Again, vicious trollop behavior. I just don't like anything about Jess when he first appears because he's a massive jerk and does nothing but manipulate Rory to do what he wants and he doesn't care that it hurts others and then he just leaves her. Sure he grows up later, but it doesn't mitigate his trash can persona imo.
i agree and i forgot what season or episode the party scene was in (im pretty sure season 3 bc thats when lane and dave started dating i think) but that scene in the room made me uncomfortable and dislike jess even more
Thank you! I’ve never liked Jess, and I understand the appeal but even if Lorelei is biased against him she’s not completely wrong. Yes, you need to play nice with your teenage girlfriend’s mom. Their relationship is more serious than yours. I have no problem with a main character making mistakes and doing the wrong thing, but the show still treats the storylines like Rory is never wrong. Rory doesn’t have to deal with the fallout from cheating on Dean and humiliating him because they don’t go to the same school and everyone in the town acts like she walks on water. She got sympathy from the breakup and immediately moved on to another guy, so she got what she wanted.
Rory seemed afraid of Dean and was a huge people pleaser. He was always pressuring her and yelling at her, which drove her heart away but she had zero skills in confrontation yet at that point so she kept hanging on. Dean shouldn’t have been treating her like that in the first place, and Rory had such deep father wounds and a very immature mother she had no way to deal with it. It hurts to watch
YES PLEASE!!! I always see people praising Jess, saying that he was the best boyfriend, the best character and i'm like b*tch where???? When??? How????
It is a bit frustrating, but also reflective of patriarchy, that decades later Lorelai still takes all the flack for the pregnancy. And she’s the responsible one. Christopher bails and barely calls his daughter once a year and no one faults him for it.
I didn't like how in one episode when they went to yale they get got into an argument and i think richard says how would you know you didn't go to college when clearly she did go to college even if it was just community college
I personally don't like Rory and Jess together, although I think them as adults makes more sense. They make sense, but during their teenage years they still had so many things to go through without each other.
I can see this I think that’s why they should get together if there’s ever a s2 of AYITL because that’d make their relationship more interesting and realistic imo
Yeah I also hate the Indian food slander. I knew a few people who complained about the smell of Indian food, and they were the type to say, "I'm not racist, but..." 🤮
Now I love me some Indian food , but the smell is not bad , not bad by any stretch of the imagination but it’s very over powering , there is this Indian family in my town and one day I had to drop something to there house and they invited me in for a minute and oh my god the smell of the food was so strong , it was fantastic to be fair , but I always took that joke that the smell was strong not necessarily bad but I don’t know
I lowkey wish that Dean found out that Rory and Jess kissed while they were together..... I have this whole scene where Rory and Jess have a fight and the kiss gets brought up and Dean hears and that results in Dean snapping and breaking up with Rory, I'd kinda like to see that😭
I think Christopher got so angry because he's still in love with Lorelai and she basically said she's really given up on them. He's frustrated because he's asked her to marry him several times and she says no. And now she's admitting that she wanted to be with him that whole time.
Bartender here! Lorelai’s drink - a gin martini with an olive - is a pretty classic drink. You can’t do an olive twist as the twist refers to twisting a bit of citrus peel to release the oils into the drink. An olive brings out savory notes in gin, and if you want more savory or briney flavors, you can ask for a dirty martini which has some olive juice. Personally, I hate olives but I have had pickle-tinis which replaces the olive juice and olive with pickle juice and a pickle and they are good. Everyone has their personal taste with martinis, so it kind of takes a lot of trial and error to find what you like. My usual martini order is a Roku gin martini, with a rinse, and a lemon twist. It’s light and a little bit floral. 😊
Oooooh your drink sounds good too! Thank you for the insight, I thought she said with a twist (which is why I said it lol) I’ll have to try both and let you guys know how it is 🤍
I came here to say the same thing-though I’m the minority who likes olives I guess. That said, only bleu cheese olives belong in a martini. If I see a pimento, I’m out. Even so, it’s a very specific flavor combination, and the classic lemon twist is also wonderful. Just be sure if you order to specify that you want gin (in my experience most places default to vodka unless you’re really explicit about it being gin), better still if you know the particular bottle you want. The gin that marries well with lemon is often awful with lemon (though it isn’t always true the other way round)
I genuenly believe that jesse was NEVER a good person or even a good match for rory, I mean he's a literal homewrecker, rory and dean were happy, and what did he do? Did he respect that? No! He did every possible thing to sabotage that relationship. Granted Rory didn't help but If the roles were reversed and and it was a girl trying to still another girl's man we wouldn't be so ✨understanding✨. And ..and remember when he got mad at rory for not having sex with him? REMEMBER THAT!!
Chris was so mad when Lorelei said she was waiting for him to get his life together because HE wanted to be with HER the whole time but she kept turning him down and he didn’t understand why she kept pushing him away, and then as soon as she meets his first serious GF she tells him she’s been waiting for him, and he’s like ‘wtf I’ve been waiting for you TOO’ because he doesn’t understand how unreliable a partner he’s always seemed to be, until he got a serious GF and then suddenly Lorelei saw that he could be a good partner
idk how anyone is team jess when he was extremely rude to lorelai for no good reason and never apologized for it. no wonder she never liked him 🤷🏻♀️ also rory fumbled dean HARD
What Sherry ends up doing is awful but I can understand it in a way. Thinking you want kids and actually having kids are two very different things. No matter how much you read up/prepare etc. having them is very different. That doesn’t mean abandon your kids but I can understand how someone could like the idea but hate the reality.
i think Christopher got so upset because it’s shown as a teen he was willing to get married and work for his dad but it was Lorelai who didn’t want that for them and left for Stars Hallow by herself. which she was right ofc but i could see how from his perspective he would see it differently.
@@Aelffwynn yeah i definitely think they were too young for that and Lorelai knew it but i could see how from Christopher’s 16 year old perspective it would have felt like rejection. it alll goes back to lack of communication because Lorelai was waiting on Christopher to come back and Christopher probably felt like she didn’t want him around. not that i would ever make excuses for Christopher, i find it baffling he never once spent time in his daughters hometown but 💀
I think people miss the fact that I was not all Rory's fault she missed the graduation she thought she could get back before it and the bus could not leave until they cleaned up the accident and she was not clued up with the bus service.
I love Lorelai but she was waaaaaay too unfair toward Jess and lets be honest, she didn't like him because he couldn't care less about her. He doesn't find her funny or charming and doesn't care that she doesn't like him back. Even after Rory begs him to make an effort, he realizes that he can still get close to Rory without Lorelai and he does. And yes, she has her reasons but as a former trouble kid she would have bonded with him if he had been a little more like Dean and made an effort to get along. She was being childlish and petty, even tho she tried not to, she acted just like Emily.
I didn’t really like Lorelei’s conversation with Christopher. It seemed petty. It’s always made me like roll my eyes or turn up my nose. Something about it is just idk to me. 😂
The smokeless tobak thing is also a class thing though, and I saw it as a sign Rory was not connecting with a working class person (though I agree chewing t is disgusting tbh lol)
What i have been trying to say for the longest time is that jess wasnt the only one who ever did anything to rory like dean was always trying to do stuff with her but jess was just more obvious with his intentions and the only times dean really wanted to be around rory is when he knew something moght happen between them which is basically the whole reson he slept with her when he was married and then essentially lost intress in her after they got back together because he finally got what he wanted from her which was her virginity but thats just my opinion 🤷
With Christopher I always thought he still loves her and knows the time is not right...he still thought they would still end up together and wasn't giving up on them yet..Sherry was just gf not his end game
My mom showed me this show when I was like 8 and I've loved it ever since. I don't find many people talking about and these videos are great. Also I'm team Jess.
In 2x11- you mentioned that Richard and Emily were able to raise Lorelei without their parent’s involvement- we never see Emily’s side of the family, but we definitely see Trix and her overbearing behavior, I doubt that she kept her mouth shut to either Richard, and esp not Emily, when it came to Lorelei’s upbringing. That may be part of the character development of Emily that she wasn’t ever good enough- as her mother in law told her constantly throughout their relationship- and may have added to the desire for both parents to criticize their daughter. (Def not saying they didn’t over-involve themselves in a WAY overstepping manner, just thinking they likely had Trix on them allllll the time).
Also - I can’t stand Jess. He gaslights her, treats her poorly, doesn’t make the effort etc etc. I am def not Team Jess and I can’t comprehend why people are- their chemistry is great, yup; but he’s not a good guy or boyfriend to her. No effort to try most of the time. I liked him later in the series a bit more- but not enough. (I do realize I’m in the minority on this, and I’m sure people will come at me while defending Jess - I’ve watched through the show like 20 times. I just can’t. Sorry).
Idk if anyone has already commented on this but while I'm not the biggest Christopher fan I can see why he reacted like that. Like yes, the basic sentiment of Lor's not wanting to hold out for the unstable inconsistent father of her child is so justified lmao. But the way she says it kind of makes it sound like she's blaming her unhappiness on him. All her failures and breakups are now his fault and while she may not have meant it that way it sounds like even if she isn't mad, she still blames him for all the bad things that have happened to her. Which is a cruel to say out loud because it puts Chris in the position of blame for all of her hardship ((Chris still sucks tho I'm not defending his character as a whole LOL))
I would really appreciate your thoughts about GG and Twin Peaks :) I read that ASP liked TP and she casted both TP Shelly (Mädchen Amick aka GG Sherry) and TP Audrey (Sherilyn Fenn aka GG Anna AND Sasha) although both shows are VERY different the quirkyness of Stars Hollow always reminds me of TP the town of the Quirky
I know 100% I had subscribed to your channel but when I saw this on my feed I was surprised I wasn't notified.. come to click and see I was unsubscribed😭 BTW I love your channel so much, I'm so happy when you post, please make a video about Logan/Rory relationship!! I'm also super excited about the new SATC videos coming up ❤️🔥
i think it's so unfair how people judge rory for missing lorelai's graduation, like it wasn't on purpose and she went to new york on impulse, she was just a teenager in love and indecisive, she was so in love with jess that she didn't even recognize herself and her conversation with lorelai afterwards was one of the parts that she really showed her emotions because most of the time she hid what she felt and didn't talk about it, I don't blame her, she was only 17 and she was discovering what it was to love, she liked dean but I think she only truly loved jess, and later logan.
Obviously I am binging your videos tonight lol ... but you bring up so many good points that I cannot help but respond! As much as I love Gilmore Girls there are so many plot holes that don't make sense. Especially about how Sheri was interested in being a single mom but then somehow snatches up Christopher when they are already broken up to be the parent to their future child then later skipping out completely for a few years. Sometimes the plot writing is a bit lazy. There could have been other ways to make things not work between Lorelei and Christopher. Him being really pathetic and boring for example.
I love Gilmore girls. But, the Sherry stuff made me deeply uncomfortable on rewatch. She was overall kind and respectful and Gilmore girls was supposed to be “female empowering” but was cruel to other women in the show. Very “pick me” vibes. But that was kind of the thing back then so can’t fully blame the show for playing into that narrative. Ok to like an imperfect show 😉
4:45 I think part of it is that they were also constantly told what to do, they had to live up to their parents' expectations. This is something we see with Emily and Trix, also with Richard when he tried to get Lorelai and Chris to marry, his reasoning was that in their families that's what they did, because he had to do it too. So since it was done to them, they see themselves as entitled to do the same to Lorelai. However, Lorelai constantly wants to do the opposite, and treat Rory as she would have liked to be treated by her mother. That's the main theme in their relationships
Richard was definitely in the wrong, but it still breaks my heart when he comes home and has the conversation with Emily about the Chinese food. 💔 Edit: you absolutely need to try Indian food. It's so good!
What Lorelei said to Christopher was harsh and reminded him he's a failure of a father. His reaction was warranted because while he isn't a good father, it was unreasonable for Lorelei to put the pressure on Chris to end up with her. You're missing out on Indian food. I was raised on it and Indian food is amazing. --the comment is racist, that's the point. The entire town, but mostly Lorelei and Rory and Emily are fatphobic, racist, and extremely conservative. What? I loved Richard and Lorelei working together. Richard is not being manipulative. He is engaging in the fantasy that he held on from the time that lorelai was a child, where she proudly stated that she was going to Yale like he did, and that he would work with her on the family business. Lorelei getting pregnant ruined her life but more so it ruined this plan that Richard had for them. Lorelei and Richard are so much alike and Rory is exactly like Emily. He sees that and he tries to counter the Emily in Rory by influencing her and spending as much time as possible with her. I couldn't stand Lorelei and Luke as a couple. This season showed why they're better as friends. And we saw in the Netflix series how miserable they were. Rory is a bad friend and girlfriend. You see it displayed through season two. She only really comes through when it's time to be duplicitous
Christopher’s reaction to Lorelai’s confession was him upset because HE was fully willing to get ready and get married. He was going to fall in line and get married, work at Richard’s company, and be with Lorelai and Rory. Lorelai rejected that and then ran away. Christopher literally spiraled out of control. He was lost and had no direction and floundered. He felt excluded from Rory and Lorelai’s dynamic (he’s still, by choice, a deadbeat). Then, when he finally got his life together, here is Lorelai saying she had been waiting for him the whole time. It was like a huge slap in the face. Edit: Christopher remains garbage the whole series. Not excusing it, but I understood it because he had probably hoped she would want him.
i think another layer to the termite situation is Rory is "loving" in the way that she's been taught by all the people in her life up to that point. You just do what you think is "best" to "help" the person you love when they "can't". That's how all the control Rory sees and is effected by is framed by emily, richard, dean, and even lorelai. So I don't think she can see how much she undercut Lorelai, since it's just what you do for family whether they like it or not.
100% everything you said about the Basket episode. That’s the best one of the season IMO. Chris wanted to be with Lorelai, which is why he got mad I think. He didn’t want her to move on from him. That’s what I’m thinking. I do agree with what you said too as well though. It could be a mixture. It was over the top and there was no excuse for embarrassing Lorelai in public like that. I’ve never heard the hate on Lorelai but I’m sure it’s out there and I’m glad you actually defend her. I love Lorelai! There’s no way I could watch this show without her. The only problems I had with her honestly was that she hated Jess so much and what she did on the season 6 finale/the whole first half of season 7 Lorelai storyline, that’s all I’m gonna say IYKYK I just don’t want to give any spoilers to anyone on here.
Sorry for not making much sense, i haven't been feeling the best this week. But i think i was trying to say was, Lorelia doesn't like polite society because she sees past people and sees their bad behavior as disrespect for her and Rory. Emily and Richard are blind to it because those from a richer family or from yale always act more polite, when in reality they are not good examples. Lorelia shows that she is more of an aware and active parents because of past experinces with her parents, and their friends and the circle of their friends society. But with Richard and Emily, they are only now, after so long, slowly becoming aware of this behavior in men Rory has dated, or that they've tried to set up with her, or the men they've tried to set Lorelia up with. But when it comes to ordinary, or healthy boys who don't have bad qualities, or insulting their town, which is full of loyal and loving friends, that's what pushes Lorelia and even at some points, Rory, away. When Emily and Richard finally accept the fact that sometimes people act differently, or even just the blatant obviousness of them losing their daughter and grand daughter, do they realize they've made, or believed the wrong thing. Even when Emily and Richard still don't approve, they learn to keep quiet and accept their daughter, or grand daughters friends, or romantic partners, at least as much as they can. Some of my favorite parts were when Emily and the towns people would meet. Like when Emily and Rory went antique shopping, it had been so nice, or when Lorelia and Emily went shopping for Rory for her birthday. Or the food court. Sometimes those moments are so precious, i love watching them, even though i usually can't handle Emily. I'm glad Lorelia still loves her, but i wish they would compromise with her once in a while. But you just eventually get use to being the one who always compromises the most, it's weird when others do it who you aren't use to doing it. So sometimes i think Lorelia likes it better when she's in charge or is able to compromise to keep things moving because she'd probably feel a bit out of control or like the earth has spinned off it's axis. It's like knowing something could change and when it's goid and it benefits you, you're just waiting for the other shoe to drop, so you feel off when it's happening, not quite knowing what to make of it yet, or if it's actually safe to approach.
I note about Lorelei's signature drink. I love a Gin Martini with an olive. If you like savory, liquer forward drinks you might like it. However a twist means a bit of citrus peal as your garnish so definitely dont ask your bartender for an olive twist, they will look at you like you're crazy. Also, despite a gin martini with an olive being Lorelei's signature drink, I'm pretty sure she was drinking a Manhattan in that clip, so if you order a gin martini, dont expect it to look red like that. They are very different drinks.
If you watch outer banks pls could you do a video on controversial characters like Ward Cameron I would love to hear your opinions? Btw I love your videos!!
I see your videos all the time. And I love the theam song, it makes me happy and every time you say something I'm just like "yes, yes, you are right girl" and I just notice I don't follow you
@kierralovestv that's what I said the first time I tried one! I was like woooo lorelai likes em strong 😂 I didn't really like it at first, but it's grown on me. I'm not a big drinker, but I like having a good drink when I'm out
yess the fact that Rory actually went with Jess on the basket bidding date was so harsh of her...i'll love her forever and yes, she and jess did have amazing chemistry but Rory, honey....you practically humiliated your boyfried in front of the whole town, i'd be mortified lol
She did NOT humiliate stalker Dean in front of the town, Jess did and stalker Dean did to himself by not bringing enough money. She’s just a teenage girl trying to live her life.
This comment gives the same vibe as when people judge a girl for rejecting a public proposal. “He was humiliated oh no” who cares? She has the ability to make her own decisions. If he was not prepared for people to bid on her basket he’s not smart. He was insecure about Jess and didn’t trust Rory not to do anything. In a healthy relationship the guy would take it on the chin and have dinner with her later, but he blew up at her and people STILL blame Rory.
@@khiaaugustine9193 Dean had every right not to trust Jess or Rory. Rory asks why Jess is always messing with Dean and Jess basically says because he wants to. Rory knows exactly what Jess is doing, purposely getting under his skin and Rory lets him. And didn’t both Dean and Rory plan to have Dean bet on her basket and have lunch together? It wasn’t that Dean wasn’t prepared, but Jess just wanted to be a jerk and Rory does not stop him. In a healthy relationship, Rory would respect Dean and their relationship and not gone out with Jess. I would be absolutely livid if my boyfriend went out to lunch with a girl who 1.) likes him 2.) purposely makes me mad 2.) does not respect our relationship.
How was that harsh of her? That’s literally the rules of the picnic option. That was one of the small times I agreed with her when it came to jazz, she was just doing what she was supposed to dol
@@nejoudtourki6000stalker dean? are you 12
I didn’t like how Lorelai attacked Luke after the car accident. I understand her being upset that Rory was in an accident but her asking why did Luke bring Jess to Stars Hollow? He’s his NEPHEW! If Luke is willing to help her and Rory know matter how long she strings him along pretending she didn’t know he had feelings for her and she had feelings for him what would make her think that he wouldn’t help a blood relative. That part was incredibly selfish to me. I didn’t like that she made him feel so guilty he sent Jess away. It didn’t seem fair.
It wasn’t fair I agree
Lorelai was not acting right for sure. The accident wasn't Jess's fault, but Lorelai was waiting for an excuse to lose her temper about him. And she absolutely could not accept that it was Perfect Rory's decision to let him drive. She saw her baby hurt and wanted someone to blame.
I guess I get it, to an extent. It wasn't right, but she was emotional and impulsive, and didn't find an appropriate outlet for her feelings.
I hate the way Lorelai attacks Luke, but that contrasted with how Luke goes to find Jess, and comforts him rather than yells at him is everything. It's a crucial moment that shows Jess really does feel the consequences of his actions, and that both of these guys really do care about others despite their $hit communication skills and feigned aloofness (or grumpiness on Luke's part).
It makes me feel proud of Luke, but devastated for Jess, because you see how truly alone he is.
@bananaboat805 yes!!! I love Jess and Luke's relationship. Flawed people, but pure and unconditional love.
Don't forget, Emily guilt tripped Lorelai when she helped her get a loan for the termites. She held it over Lorelai's head to take Richard off her hands when he was freshly retired!!!
Yes ofc I talked about that more in my emily gilmore manipulation video 🤍
I agree with you but that phone call was hilarious to me because Emily was so desperate to get rid of him for a day that she resorted to yelling it 😂
I just watched the termite episode and felt so sorry for Lorelai. Rory didn’t understand the gravity of Lorelai’s feelings about her parents and then spilled the beans before Lorelai could explain it to her, and she ended up with her parents a bit more closely entangled than she wanted :(
Yes exactly. I don’t enjoy when people just assume she’s trying to be a bad mom without contextualizing the situation they’re referring to and in this case, I felt she was reacting to the trauma, not Rory but I do understand that Rory didn’t connect the dots bc she’s only 16 so she felt personally attacked (or 17 atp idk)
I sometimes wonder why she didn't take the loan from Luke, or get Luke to cosign a loan instead of Emily. I understand she has a lot of pride, and maybe feels the sexual tension with him so she doesn't want that to be a factor. But it would have been better than weekly DAR meetings at the inn. Luke could be trusted not to make it inappropriate and Lorelai would have paid it off.
True
This season her relationship with her parents is so sad and efuriating at the same time. I feel so bad because they are always diminishing her, treating her like an idiot, and then guilting her into apologizing when she rightfully so call them out.
And Rory did behave like a brat imo, because what does she think that her mother was no contact for over 15 years just for shits and giggles. I understand that she likes her grandparents but after seeing them only on holidays for so long how can she think that she knows best than Lorelai.
@@kierralovestv but lorelai was being childish, she did NOT have any other options and she knew it, she would have put her problems with her parents a side (like she when she asked for Rory’s intuition) and just swallow the bitter pill and asked for help, or she just have taken Luke’s offer (I know it came later on) but lorelai was being selfish, and childish, Rory had to do it for her.
At the end of day lorelai could NOT have done it without her parents help that’s the FACT, it’s a sad & horrible fact but she would have been out of house without Emily.
She should have just AKSED for the help with a price/exchange she’s willing to do instead of making her TEENAGE daughter act like the mature adult and asked for the help
I don't understand how people can call Lor selfish :( They establish that she does a lot for Rory, all their friends, and the town (i.e. the rummage sale, making event costumes, inviting the town to events at the inn) without expecting anything. Even the finale establishes that Rory's party is really to honor Lorelai.
Exactly. I think people who say that skip through the show or at least her parts bc they don’t like characters like her. I’ve been tryna crack the code on this since I entered the community bc I am always shocked when I see what people say about her
Lorelai can be a bit self-centered and my-way-or-the-highway (like her parents!) But she has nuance, and is really lovely too. I think the people who vilify her are the same people who don't see much nuance in general. She shares a couple characteristics generally given to 2-dimensional "mean/bad" characters and people assume she's one of those "mean/bad" characters.
YES
I also think that people project their own parental issues onto Lorelai a LOT and don't make space for the idea that all parents are flawed. Don't get me wrong, Rory reckoning with how being raised by a teenage mother affected her is the missing storyline in Gilmore Girls and many parents refuse to recognize their own bullshit, but it's WILD to say that Lorelai is a bad, toxic or abusive parent.
she is selfish
Viewers seem to think more fondly of Richard than of Emily, but his episodes with Lorelai and Dean this season show us who he is really is imo.
On a very real level he still thinks, “A Gilmore ought to act a certain way”, and just - can’t - accept that Lorelai is thriving and happy in a middle-class/lower-middle class life. And then when someone else can do something great and transforming for them (Dean getting Rory a car), he straight locks up and refuses to budge until a mistake is found, ‘cause he JUST - CAN’T - HANDLE that someone from that life could ALSO do something generous and magnanimous for them! “How dare you do something helpful for my daughter!? Don’t you know she’s supposed to be in misery and squalor when she’s not doing what we say!?”
He’d rather throw a fit and be a Karen rather than admit that his daughter’s life is pretty good, because it contradicts the pattern of control and conformity he believes they’re right to enforce.
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YESSSS. So many people are quick to paint Emily as the villain (and Kelly Bishop did an amazing job playing one). But Richard is a covert villain for sure. Even though he's not messing with Lorelai directly as often, he doesn't disagree with Emily's treatment of her. He even states as much after Emily tries to break Luke and Lorelai up. He agrees Luke is "unsuitable," and doesn't care why Lorelai is upset, but he's going to use anything he can to bring her back into the fold. He's a cruel and vindictive businessman, too, and brags about it. And then has the nerve to complain about being "phased out" of his company, when HE was the one who "invented phased out for that company." He is a snob, an elitist, and just plain mean. He and Emily are perfectly matched in every way. (And I LOVE their scenes together.)
I've become more aware of his bullshit as I've gotten older and spent more time with businesspeople.
He is soooooooooo annoying, and part of my desdain for him does come from this "he's just a dude" place, but he is such a snob and anytime he's sad or having like big feelings it's always related to his sense of self worth, whereas Emily well she's awful but I guess she feels really guitly and lost about her and Lorelai's relationship.
Richard never once even thinks he may be in the wrong, and you can tell he doesn't even notice that there's something wrong about the way Lorelai acts towards him. And he's so manipulative, with everyone, not just Lorelai.
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As an Indian girlie, the "Indian food stinks" jokes took me by surprise. Indian food is very pungent because we cook with a ton of spices and use onions, garlic, and ginger in pretty much everything. But still, takeout Indian food definitely does not smell the same way home cooked food does. Even then, neither smells bad 😭. I understand that Lorelei and Rory have the palate of a five-year-old but that was unnecessary.
Ik they kept on going on and on, like all takeout has a smell?
@@miimamwez yeah, all hot food smells like something lol. Indian food smells amazing!
@@Aelffwynn Ik! And shampoo originates from India sooo.
I'm Black. The accents in a later season and the common occurrence in American television to imply that Indian or South Asian food smells bad does offends me because I feel like it just shows a lack of cultural consciousness
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"What are we gonna do about Dean? We gotta get him out of here!" girl my thoughts exactly😭The basket bidding episode was like my childhood romantic awakening, not to mention her calling Jess at the end of the episode I was like OH so THIS is love. Oh, Dean? You're still here??? 🤡
But jokes aside I love love LOVED this video, season two of GG in general is just my comfort season I could never get tired of rewatching it or watching videos about it (especially yours!)💖
THANK YOU 🥰
omg the phone call scene was my romantic awakening too!!
I wanted Rory to stay with Dean. He was the perfect boyfriend. I couldn’t stand the ‘bad boy’ vibe from Jess.
Yeah Dean definitely wanted to do the deed with Rory while Lorelei was out of the house. He was like really trying to push Rory into inviting him over that when I watch that it makes me uncomfortable.
Me too. She keeps saying no and he just shows up
@@kierralovestv it's giving doesn't know boundaries
He never does
Yes!
Even if it wasn't about sex, it's still so rude and inappropriate. And then he has the gall to be mad that Paris and Jess also showed up uninvited (though they weren't expressly told not to.) It could also have been that he didn't trust her and assumed she'd be cheating with Jess, which is why he was IMMEDIATELY furious. And again, I agree Rory treated Dean like dirt. But he should have just dumped her instead of going through that possessive creepy phase.
The girl legit cheated and y'all thought "We're winning, we're winning"!?!? I was livid. both the gilmore girls SUCK at confrontations and difficult conversation. I don't like Dean, but i hate how Rory treats him..
Something I love about you is how naturally and intelligently you talk about Gilmore Girls. It's very relaxing and calm yet you clearly present your opinions so smoothly and passionately, love it!
Thank you I just say what I feel I think it’s an awesome show to explore 🤍
At 9:00 where you mentioned the conversation between Lorelai and Chris: in my opinion she meant what she said, and the way I understand it is: when she got pregnant at 16 she had to mature and make adult decisions even though she was a child, while she let him be a child and mature at his own pace into responsibility, without expecting him to be a father when he didn't know how to be. So she kinda waited, when he finally grows up, and to maybe get together then. Also, she chose to have a child, and with that choice alone she uprooted the life of Christopher in some way, because regardless of anything society, family etc will always make him feel guilty of not being a father. She almost was waiting to make sure that he is finally mature and happy, despite her decision to have the child, that inadvertently changed his life too. And yes, Lorelai can be immature at times, which should not be surprising considering that she skipped some developing phases and her admitting that she has sabotaged past relationships is showing that she is partially aware of her own underdevelopment and immaturity. So having the ability to be this honest is pretty mature on Lorelais's side, while Chris is still too dumb, self-centered and immature to understand that.
This was brilliantly said, thank you. I fully agree.
I think Chris got mad because he still wanted Lorelai. And her saying she was subconsciously waiting for him made him realize he could have had her if he figured it out a bit earlier. He's mad at himself and too weak to admit it.
I totally agree with you! But I think that Lorelai wasn't really open for Christopher to return either. They could have matured together. He was always available to her and made sure she knew but she refused to take him serious and that's what really pisses him off. They were both too immature before this point in the story. (At least that's how I remember it, haven't seen it in a few month, but watched it regularly)
@Icetea710 ehh, I think if he had made more effort to be present in Rory's life, Lorelai would have had a reason to take him seriously. During season 1, it's established that Rory doesn't see him often, and that she's used to him flaking on her. He doesn't even focus on a career so he can contribute money to her upbringing or education. When he finally starts to get his life together, he explicitly states that it's because Sherry pressured him into settling down. He starts calling and seeing her regularly because of the structure Sherry insisted on. Which okay, it's still nice I guess, but it isn't really Sherry's job or Lorelai's job to make Christopher do that. He should have done that on his own, for Rory. Lorelai did.
I understand if a teen parent freaks out and takes some time to get it together. But he was solidly in his thirties when the show began, and still not making a consistent effort to be present for Rory.
Edit: AND Lorelai showed an interest in getting together with him (after the Coming Out Ball) because she saw how he was finally being a responsible adult and being there for Rory. She took that seriously and wanted to be with him. But he had to admit he was with Sherry.
It really bothered me when rory judged lane for the cheerleader thing. It was not rorys finest moment...also the show was not the same when Madeline and Louise were not there
I think this was the episode that made me really start hating Christopher. And yes, I think his reaction is based in guilt. (Plus, honestly, has the guy never heard of condoms?!?!?)
I simply don't understand the whole "Jess wasn't that bad, Rory loved him and he loved her" thing. Jess was clearly a jackass. He was rude to everyone, he did commit petty crime, he lied, he was defiant, and he openly manipulated Rory into creating a rift with Dean so he could get his way. Sure there was mutual chemistry there but the way he went about it was a dead giveaway of his rotten character and gee would you look at that, he left without saying goodbye because he was too emotionally immature to even face Rory after completely screwing everything up. Rory was the true vicious trollop for the way she publicly humiliated Dean and absolutely broke his heart and lied to him. The accident happened because Jess pressured her into ice cream and drove her car. Regardless of it purely being an accident, they were meant to be studying and Jess never should have been driving the car Dean busted his behind to build for Rory. Again, vicious trollop behavior. I just don't like anything about Jess when he first appears because he's a massive jerk and does nothing but manipulate Rory to do what he wants and he doesn't care that it hurts others and then he just leaves her. Sure he grows up later, but it doesn't mitigate his trash can persona imo.
i agree and i forgot what season or episode the party scene was in (im pretty sure season 3 bc thats when lane and dave started dating i think) but that scene in the room made me uncomfortable and dislike jess even more
Thank you! I’ve never liked Jess, and I understand the appeal but even if Lorelei is biased against him she’s not completely wrong. Yes, you need to play nice with your teenage girlfriend’s mom. Their relationship is more serious than yours.
I have no problem with a main character making mistakes and doing the wrong thing, but the show still treats the storylines like Rory is never wrong. Rory doesn’t have to deal with the fallout from cheating on Dean and humiliating him because they don’t go to the same school and everyone in the town acts like she walks on water. She got sympathy from the breakup and immediately moved on to another guy, so she got what she wanted.
That's exactly how I feel about Jess.
Rory seemed afraid of Dean and was a huge people pleaser. He was always pressuring her and yelling at her, which drove her heart away but she had zero skills in confrontation yet at that point so she kept hanging on. Dean shouldn’t have been treating her like that in the first place, and Rory had such deep father wounds and a very immature mother she had no way to deal with it. It hurts to watch
YES PLEASE!!! I always see people praising Jess, saying that he was the best boyfriend, the best character and i'm like b*tch where???? When??? How????
It is a bit frustrating, but also reflective of patriarchy, that decades later Lorelai still takes all the flack for the pregnancy. And she’s the responsible one. Christopher bails and barely calls his daughter once a year and no one faults him for it.
Christopher remained the least likable character on the show hands down.
I didn't like how in one episode when they went to yale they get got into an argument and i think richard says how would you know you didn't go to college when clearly she did go to college even if it was just community college
I personally don't like Rory and Jess together, although I think them as adults makes more sense. They make sense, but during their teenage years they still had so many things to go through without each other.
I can see this I think that’s why they should get together if there’s ever a s2 of AYITL because that’d make their relationship more interesting and realistic imo
Yeah you are right jess and rory got together at the wrong time
I agree!!
Yep. He was an awful boyfriend. A mess.
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Indian food smells amazing!
Yeah I also hate the Indian food slander. I knew a few people who complained about the smell of Indian food, and they were the type to say, "I'm not racist, but..." 🤮
@@mintkit1064 exactly!
Now I love me some Indian food , but the smell is not bad , not bad by any stretch of the imagination but it’s very over powering , there is this Indian family in my town and one day I had to drop something to there house and they invited me in for a minute and oh my god the smell of the food was so strong , it was fantastic to be fair , but I always took that joke that the smell was strong not necessarily bad but I don’t know
I lowkey wish that Dean found out that Rory and Jess kissed while they were together..... I have this whole scene where Rory and Jess have a fight and the kiss gets brought up and Dean hears and that results in Dean snapping and breaking up with Rory, I'd kinda like to see that😭
I think Christopher got so angry because he's still in love with Lorelai and she basically said she's really given up on them. He's frustrated because he's asked her to marry him several times and she says no. And now she's admitting that she wanted to be with him that whole time.
Rory really was suffering from success with those boyfriends lol.
Bartender here! Lorelai’s drink - a gin martini with an olive - is a pretty classic drink. You can’t do an olive twist as the twist refers to twisting a bit of citrus peel to release the oils into the drink. An olive brings out savory notes in gin, and if you want more savory or briney flavors, you can ask for a dirty martini which has some olive juice. Personally, I hate olives but I have had pickle-tinis which replaces the olive juice and olive with pickle juice and a pickle and they are good. Everyone has their personal taste with martinis, so it kind of takes a lot of trial and error to find what you like. My usual martini order is a Roku gin martini, with a rinse, and a lemon twist. It’s light and a little bit floral. 😊
Oooooh your drink sounds good too! Thank you for the insight, I thought she said with a twist (which is why I said it lol) I’ll have to try both and let you guys know how it is 🤍
I hate olives too which is why I’ve been reluctant to try it
It's also the same cocktail that Midge Maisel drinks, coincidence?
I've always ordered it with a twist (i think olives are nasty) but I need to try a pickle-tini now
I came here to say the same thing-though I’m the minority who likes olives I guess. That said, only bleu cheese olives belong in a martini. If I see a pimento, I’m out.
Even so, it’s a very specific flavor combination, and the classic lemon twist is also wonderful. Just be sure if you order to specify that you want gin (in my experience most places default to vodka unless you’re really explicit about it being gin), better still if you know the particular bottle you want. The gin that marries well with lemon is often awful with lemon (though it isn’t always true the other way round)
I genuenly believe that jesse was NEVER a good person or even a good match for rory, I mean he's a literal homewrecker, rory and dean were happy, and what did he do? Did he respect that? No! He did every possible thing to sabotage that relationship. Granted Rory didn't help but If the roles were reversed and and it was a girl trying to still another girl's man we wouldn't be so ✨understanding✨. And ..and remember when he got mad at rory for not having sex with him? REMEMBER THAT!!
Chris was so mad when Lorelei said she was waiting for him to get his life together because HE wanted to be with HER the whole time but she kept turning him down and he didn’t understand why she kept pushing him away, and then as soon as she meets his first serious GF she tells him she’s been waiting for him, and he’s like ‘wtf I’ve been waiting for you TOO’ because he doesn’t understand how unreliable a partner he’s always seemed to be, until he got a serious GF and then suddenly Lorelei saw that he could be a good partner
idk how anyone is team jess when he was extremely rude to lorelai for no good reason and never apologized for it. no wonder she never liked him 🤷🏻♀️ also rory fumbled dean HARD
What Sherry ends up doing is awful but I can understand it in a way. Thinking you want kids and actually having kids are two very different things. No matter how much you read up/prepare etc. having them is very different. That doesn’t mean abandon your kids but I can understand how someone could like the idea but hate the reality.
I can see that
i think Christopher got so upset because it’s shown as a teen he was willing to get married and work for his dad but it was Lorelai who didn’t want that for them and left for Stars Hallow by herself. which she was right ofc but i could see how from his perspective he would see it differently.
That's a fair point. It's unclear if that plan would have actually worked out well, but Christopher obviously thought it would have.
@@Aelffwynn yeah i definitely think they were too young for that and Lorelai knew it but i could see how from Christopher’s 16 year old perspective it would have felt like rejection. it alll goes back to lack of communication because Lorelai was waiting on Christopher to come back and Christopher probably felt like she didn’t want him around. not that i would ever make excuses for Christopher, i find it baffling he never once spent time in his daughters hometown but 💀
I think people miss the fact that I was not all Rory's fault she missed the graduation she thought she could get back before it and the bus could not leave until they cleaned up the accident and she was not clued up with the bus service.
I love Lorelai but she was waaaaaay too unfair toward Jess and lets be honest, she didn't like him because he couldn't care less about her. He doesn't find her funny or charming and doesn't care that she doesn't like him back. Even after Rory begs him to make an effort, he realizes that he can still get close to Rory without Lorelai and he does. And yes, she has her reasons but as a former trouble kid she would have bonded with him if he had been a little more like Dean and made an effort to get along.
She was being childlish and petty, even tho she tried not to, she acted just like Emily.
I didn’t really like Lorelei’s conversation with Christopher. It seemed petty. It’s always made me like roll my eyes or turn up my nose. Something about it is just idk to me. 😂
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Thank you that’s really sweet♥️
Yes! Like comfort food for the ears.
Always a pleasure hellooo 🫶🏽
The smokeless tobak thing is also a class thing though, and I saw it as a sign Rory was not connecting with a working class person (though I agree chewing t is disgusting tbh lol)
I love singing along with the theme
What i have been trying to say for the longest time is that jess wasnt the only one who ever did anything to rory like dean was always trying to do stuff with her but jess was just more obvious with his intentions and the only times dean really wanted to be around rory is when he knew something moght happen between them which is basically the whole reson he slept with her when he was married and then essentially lost intress in her after they got back together because he finally got what he wanted from her which was her virginity but thats just my opinion 🤷
I watched All About Eve to further understand the Eve Harrington reference in episode 19.
I watched Casablanca to understand Lorelai’s Casablanca jokes 💀
All about eve is such a great film betty Davis is brilliant
Richard was acting kind of like his mom in e12
With Christopher I always thought he still loves her and knows the time is not right...he still thought they would still end up together and wasn't giving up on them yet..Sherry was just gf not his end game
My mom showed me this show when I was like 8 and I've loved it ever since. I don't find many people talking about and these videos are great. Also I'm team Jess.
In 2x11- you mentioned that Richard and Emily were able to raise Lorelei without their parent’s involvement- we never see Emily’s side of the family, but we definitely see Trix and her overbearing behavior, I doubt that she kept her mouth shut to either Richard, and esp not Emily, when it came to Lorelei’s upbringing. That may be part of the character development of Emily that she wasn’t ever good enough- as her mother in law told her constantly throughout their relationship- and may have added to the desire for both parents to criticize their daughter. (Def not saying they didn’t over-involve themselves in a WAY overstepping manner, just thinking they likely had Trix on them allllll the time).
Also - I can’t stand Jess. He gaslights her, treats her poorly, doesn’t make the effort etc etc. I am def not Team Jess and I can’t comprehend why people are- their chemistry is great, yup; but he’s not a good guy or boyfriend to her. No effort to try most of the time. I liked him later in the series a bit more- but not enough.
(I do realize I’m in the minority on this, and I’m sure people will come at me while defending Jess - I’ve watched through the show like 20 times. I just can’t. Sorry).
Idk if anyone has already commented on this but while I'm not the biggest Christopher fan I can see why he reacted like that. Like yes, the basic sentiment of Lor's not wanting to hold out for the unstable inconsistent father of her child is so justified lmao. But the way she says it kind of makes it sound like she's blaming her unhappiness on him. All her failures and breakups are now his fault and while she may not have meant it that way it sounds like even if she isn't mad, she still blames him for all the bad things that have happened to her. Which is a cruel to say out loud because it puts Chris in the position of blame for all of her hardship
((Chris still sucks tho I'm not defending his character as a whole LOL))
I would really appreciate your thoughts about GG and Twin Peaks :) I read that ASP liked TP and she casted both TP Shelly (Mädchen Amick aka GG Sherry) and TP Audrey (Sherilyn Fenn aka GG Anna AND Sasha) although both shows are VERY different the quirkyness of Stars Hollow always reminds me of TP the town of the Quirky
I rlly wanted Rory and Jess to be endgame, but how would that have worked with Lorelei and Lukes Relationship?
Yes exactly Christopher was in and our of rory's life he doesn't get to judge lorelai he's such a hypocrite
Poor lorelai I totally feel bad for Richard never should had guilt trip her
All these comments about Indian food making me want curry
Always exciting when you post another GG video!! Exceptional video as always 😊😊
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BTW I love your channel so much, I'm so happy when you post, please make a video about Logan/Rory relationship!!
I'm also super excited about the new SATC videos coming up ❤️🔥
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I love ur take on Jess!
i think it's so unfair how people judge rory for missing lorelai's graduation, like it wasn't on purpose and she went to new york on impulse, she was just a teenager in love and indecisive, she was so in love with jess that she didn't even recognize herself and her conversation with lorelai afterwards was one of the parts that she really showed her emotions because most of the time she hid what she felt and didn't talk about it, I don't blame her, she was only 17 and she was discovering what it was to love, she liked dean but I think she only truly loved jess, and later logan.
Obviously I am binging your videos tonight lol ... but you bring up so many good points that I cannot help but respond! As much as I love Gilmore Girls there are so many plot holes that don't make sense. Especially about how Sheri was interested in being a single mom but then somehow snatches up Christopher when they are already broken up to be the parent to their future child then later skipping out completely for a few years. Sometimes the plot writing is a bit lazy. There could have been other ways to make things not work between Lorelei and Christopher. Him being really pathetic and boring for example.
I love Gilmore girls. But, the Sherry stuff made me deeply uncomfortable on rewatch. She was overall kind and respectful and Gilmore girls was supposed to be “female empowering” but was cruel to other women in the show. Very “pick me” vibes. But that was kind of the thing back then so can’t fully blame the show for playing into that narrative. Ok to like an imperfect show 😉
I love how you made fun of Rory over choosing Jess-because fr girl-quit the act! You like Jess, boo boo.
4:45 I think part of it is that they were also constantly told what to do, they had to live up to their parents' expectations. This is something we see with Emily and Trix, also with Richard when he tried to get Lorelai and Chris to marry, his reasoning was that in their families that's what they did, because he had to do it too. So since it was done to them, they see themselves as entitled to do the same to Lorelai. However, Lorelai constantly wants to do the opposite, and treat Rory as she would have liked to be treated by her mother. That's the main theme in their relationships
Gin martini with an olive twist is the only way to drink a martini, IMO. You should try it!
Richard was definitely in the wrong, but it still breaks my heart when he comes home and has the conversation with Emily about the Chinese food. 💔
Edit: you absolutely need to try Indian food. It's so good!
What Lorelei said to Christopher was harsh and reminded him he's a failure of a father. His reaction was warranted because while he isn't a good father, it was unreasonable for Lorelei to put the pressure on Chris to end up with her.
You're missing out on Indian food. I was raised on it and Indian food is amazing. --the comment is racist, that's the point. The entire town, but mostly Lorelei and Rory and Emily are fatphobic, racist, and extremely conservative.
What? I loved Richard and Lorelei working together. Richard is not being manipulative. He is engaging in the fantasy that he held on from the time that lorelai was a child, where she proudly stated that she was going to Yale like he did, and that he would work with her on the family business. Lorelei getting pregnant ruined her life but more so it ruined this plan that Richard had for them. Lorelei and Richard are so much alike and Rory is exactly like Emily. He sees that and he tries to counter the Emily in Rory by influencing her and spending as much time as possible with her.
I couldn't stand Lorelei and Luke as a couple. This season showed why they're better as friends. And we saw in the Netflix series how miserable they were.
Rory is a bad friend and girlfriend. You see it displayed through season two. She only really comes through when it's time to be duplicitous
The series has some racist moments and its disturbing as a Turkish i didnt even understand what the heck they said about Turkish prisons
I was literally watching a video on Jess when I saw this😂😂😂 #im team logan😢😢😢
Not me being the first comment ❤😮
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Christopher’s reaction to Lorelai’s confession was him upset because HE was fully willing to get ready and get married. He was going to fall in line and get married, work at Richard’s company, and be with Lorelai and Rory. Lorelai rejected that and then ran away. Christopher literally spiraled out of control. He was lost and had no direction and floundered. He felt excluded from Rory and Lorelai’s dynamic (he’s still, by choice, a deadbeat). Then, when he finally got his life together, here is Lorelai saying she had been waiting for him the whole time. It was like a huge slap in the face.
Edit: Christopher remains garbage the whole series. Not excusing it, but I understood it because he had probably hoped she would want him.
i think another layer to the termite situation is Rory is "loving" in the way that she's been taught by all the people in her life up to that point. You just do what you think is "best" to "help" the person you love when they "can't". That's how all the control Rory sees and is effected by is framed by emily, richard, dean, and even lorelai. So I don't think she can see how much she undercut Lorelai, since it's just what you do for family whether they like it or not.
100% everything you said about the Basket episode. That’s the best one of the season IMO. Chris wanted to be with Lorelai, which is why he got mad I think. He didn’t want her to move on from him. That’s what I’m thinking. I do agree with what you said too as well though. It could be a mixture. It was over the top and there was no excuse for embarrassing Lorelai in public like that. I’ve never heard the hate on Lorelai but I’m sure it’s out there and I’m glad you actually defend her. I love Lorelai! There’s no way I could watch this show without her. The only problems I had with her honestly was that she hated Jess so much and what she did on the season 6 finale/the whole first half of season 7 Lorelai storyline, that’s all I’m gonna say IYKYK I just don’t want to give any spoilers to anyone on here.
Sorry for not making much sense, i haven't been feeling the best this week. But i think i was trying to say was, Lorelia doesn't like polite society because she sees past people and sees their bad behavior as disrespect for her and Rory.
Emily and Richard are blind to it because those from a richer family or from yale always act more polite, when in reality they are not good examples. Lorelia shows that she is more of an aware and active parents because of past experinces with her parents, and their friends and the circle of their friends society.
But with Richard and Emily, they are only now, after so long, slowly becoming aware of this behavior in men Rory has dated, or that they've tried to set up with her, or the men they've tried to set Lorelia up with.
But when it comes to ordinary, or healthy boys who don't have bad qualities, or insulting their town, which is full of loyal and loving friends, that's what pushes Lorelia and even at some points, Rory, away.
When Emily and Richard finally accept the fact that sometimes people act differently, or even just the blatant obviousness of them losing their daughter and grand daughter, do they realize they've made, or believed the wrong thing.
Even when Emily and Richard still don't approve, they learn to keep quiet and accept their daughter, or grand daughters friends, or romantic partners, at least as much as they can.
Some of my favorite parts were when Emily and the towns people would meet.
Like when Emily and Rory went antique shopping, it had been so nice, or when Lorelia and Emily went shopping for Rory for her birthday.
Or the food court.
Sometimes those moments are so precious, i love watching them, even though i usually can't handle Emily.
I'm glad Lorelia still loves her, but i wish they would compromise with her once in a while.
But you just eventually get use to being the one who always compromises the most, it's weird when others do it who you aren't use to doing it.
So sometimes i think Lorelia likes it better when she's in charge or is able to compromise to keep things moving because she'd probably feel a bit out of control or like the earth has spinned off it's axis. It's like knowing something could change and when it's goid and it benefits you, you're just waiting for the other shoe to drop, so you feel off when it's happening, not quite knowing what to make of it yet, or if it's actually safe to approach.
I note about Lorelei's signature drink. I love a Gin Martini with an olive. If you like savory, liquer forward drinks you might like it. However a twist means a bit of citrus peal as your garnish so definitely dont ask your bartender for an olive twist, they will look at you like you're crazy. Also, despite a gin martini with an olive being Lorelei's signature drink, I'm pretty sure she was drinking a Manhattan in that clip, so if you order a gin martini, dont expect it to look red like that. They are very different drinks.
If you watch outer banks pls could you do a video on controversial characters like Ward Cameron I would love to hear your opinions? Btw I love your videos!!
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The Rory comment at 20:30 is 100%
I see your videos all the time. And I love the theam song, it makes me happy and every time you say something I'm just like "yes, yes, you are right girl" and I just notice I don't follow you
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I love jess and rory together ❤
I get Lorelais drink every time I go to a nice restaurant just cause lol. It's harsh, but I enjoy it. It's strong
LMAOO bc she had to have a strong drink to survive those dinners I’m weak
@kierralovestv that's what I said the first time I tried one! I was like woooo lorelai likes em strong 😂 I didn't really like it at first, but it's grown on me. I'm not a big drinker, but I like having a good drink when I'm out
Same here. I can’t wait to try one
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Love your voice and vibe!
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Lol u make such great videos of this show absolutely love
Yesss I’m glad you pointed out the part about Indian food, esp bc it smells good af
I also never realized Chris and Jess never interact! That’s wild