thanks for all the comments on the video! I think the greatest thing about marvel rivals is, at least for now, any hero can feel powerful, so i understand all your opinions on different heroes lets come back to this again with a new tier list in a month when the meta settles
I wish they would rework so many champs. So many are close to being really cool but not quite, wolverine really needs to just passively heal always so he can dive and the team has to focus him burn him down. instead of that stupid shield buff, it should be like you cannot go below 50 hp for 5 seconds and become unstoppable. lets him finish his kill even if he is focused down and is going to die probably. I feel like this kit is more of the spirit of making wolverine feel like that frenzied unkillable force. its crazy how bad the devs missed the potential of wolverine. Although his attacks seem somewhat cool.
Venom is definitely the best dive/disruption tank. But here’s the catch, he has the Ball problem. For those of you who’ve played Overwatch, Wrecking Ball is the tank with the highest mobility and disruptive abilities for the enemy team and have huge impact on gameplay flow for the enemy team. Until they swap to all of Balls counters and he can’t play the game anymore. Venom has the same issue to where if he plays into a Mantis/Snow and Bucky backline he’s very susceptible to CC. Just like Ball.
Everything about squirrel girl was incorrect. She is strongly S tier, also her squirrels bounce directly 90 degrees perpendicular to the wall they hit. she can also lock down and stun two tanks at a time which is insane.
As true as this is, imo his movement is far better than Ball. Ball can only fall straight down while Venom's ability to dive diagonally helps him get away
I agree with Storm, it felt like they didn't know whether to make her a duelist or a support and just placed her at the bottom of both roles. The only good thing about her is her ultimate. When you start playing competitive mode, you can barely see her being picked. She doesn't even have any rain or hail abilities which the hero is also known for in comics.
She's a good pick if your team doesn't know what they're doing and you make it the focus of your game to hide in the air behind a building and take little pot shots at the other team from behind, if the map allows.
Storm is really strong if ignored. She could dish out a ton of damage in a huge aoe. Along with increasing everyone's DMG. But it depends if the storm user wants to play by taking pot shots or in the mix. You can't do much hiding and flying too high bc her abilities don't support from too far and her attacks don't hit from too high up. Not her regular attack bc that one tickles.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on magneto. Magneto has way more impact than most of the other tanks in terms of carry potential. His bubble shield has hp of 300! This is ridiculous in or against a dive comp because you can more than double your diver's hp or protect your strategists against a dive comp. Magneto's iron sheet field thing (forgot what it's called) has insane utility of countering infinite damage. Of course you have to time it well, but you can catch punisher, iron man, scarlet witch, spiderman, and more ults if timed well. Magneto's assassination ability is also ridiculous. You can murder supports with a primary, full charged metal ring dagger, primary combo and suddenly the enemy team is down a support. Finally megneto's ult is insane. You can straight up deny all projectiles from the enemy team if you're in a choke point, and then proceed to delete 1-3 members of the enemy team with the meteor, if not baiting every single one of the enemies' movement/protection cooldowns. Alright rant over I just really like Magneto
Agreed - people need to put at least an hour in each character and check the stats - was shocked to discover my magneto had the biggest kill strrak. The key is staying alive
you know: I was feeling awful for never getting many kills with Magnetos ult. But you putting it as "baiting movement abilities" makes me feel less bad ngl. Ofc, I can't do the whombo delete combo yet as I suck at aiming him. Well I suck at aim in general since this is my first hero shooter. I just was inexplicably drawn to Magneto. I love him. And one day I hope I can MVP with him :)
Theres nothing wrong with him saying that the worst legends are C tier. Just means he thinks every one is usable at most levels of play. That being said I think you can make the argument Iron Man and Wolverine require their own low tier. Try using your brain before criticizing others.
My guess would be to help retention rate. People will always click to the end and doing it like this would entice people to watch the whole thing a bit more
Iron Man, Hawkeye and anyone who can spam AOE shit on jeff, Hell Squirrel girl doesn't even know he is in the game. All you gotta do is shoot the ground and he dies easily.
I agree somewhat.. That's the good thing about this game.. Most characters feel op if used correctly.. For example by far Mantis is my favourite character/healer..
If you played the PS4 Spiderman, it's almost the same playstyle, but every enemy is a Boss. Swinging and Melee Launch has cooldowns. Combos don't Stagger. And yes, the Swinging is BETTER than the one from PS4 Avengers game.
No one's hard to learn and he literally just comes down to shooting someone with webs, pulling them to you and uppercutting them, then just bounding the fk out the fight. Literally kill any duelist. People Really hyping up difficulty in this game like characters have 20 button long combos or something. People say Web swinging is hard too, but even on my First game as Venom and Spiderman i could easily control where i wanted to go.
I think Ive won 8 of my 10 loki games he can be absolutely nuts. You can even cloak and go backline, set a decoy and just start bullying the backline with your solid damage and your mark giving you healing when you take damage. The games I do lose tend to be hard fought, I think Loki is a control strategist who is really good at locking down areas and protecting himself which makes him great as a solo strategist
Sneaking behind the enemies backline is a really good idea, I definitely have to try that, because for me loki did not feel that strong. He should definitely be able to heal himself by switching to a decoy that has more health than him, because you often have to use the circle for him alone
v true love playing support in this game and he defo is top 3 also his ult can win team fights but if you use his small ammo count well he can prob be the best if you like support id recommend mantis so fun v like kiriko from ow
Magneto is an S tier tank. He has self bubble ally bubble, wall, a fantastic dps stopping ult. A rock that can push enemies back. And a combo with scarlett witch that makes him a close range menace
Putting Magik so low is diabolical. Once you learn to use your dashes and teleports to swing into the action, deal a bunch of damage and escape you can dish out insane damage in team fights and can delete alone heroes. Her having so short teleports also means you won't just run away from the combat rather think where you can take a little breather and throw yourself back into the action. Combined with a good healer she basically turns into a far better tank than most other actual tank heroes.
Here's the list! If you were curious, but didn't want to go through all that shit! (Time stamps or not) NAMOR: B TIER IRON MAN: B TIER STORM: B TIER SQUIRREL GIRL: B TIER BLACK WIDOW: B TIER ROCKET RACCOON: B TIER BLACK PANTHER: A TIER STAR=LORD: A TIER MAGIK: A TIER WOLVERINE: A TIER HULK: A TIER MAGNETO: A TIER LOKI: A TIER ADAM WARLOCK: A TIER HELA: A+ TIER SPIDERMAN: A+ TIER PUNISHER: A+ TIER HAWKEYE: A+ TIER IRONFIST: A TIER PSYLOCKE: A+ TIER PENI PARKER: A+ TIER GROOT: A+ TIER VENOM: A+ TIER CAPTAIN AMERICA: A+ TIER LUNA SNOW: A+ TIER MANTIS: A+ TIER SCARLET WITCH: S TIER JEFF (SHARK): S TIER CLOAK & DAGGER: S TIER DOCTOR STRANGE: S TIER THOR: S TIER MOON KNIGHT: S TIER WINTER SOLDIER: S TIER
Y’all already racing to min max all the fun out of this and I’m just playing namor, chilling, tossing out my little squirty turret bois, having fun, unbothered, skin clear, crops watered, giggling at Jeff and enjoying all the cake in the game, win or lose 🤷♀️✨
“Your gameplay: Degenerate. Min maxxing. Sweaty. My gameplay: immaculate. Quaint fun. Better than you because I don’t care about the game aside from my arbitrary fun.”
youd have more fun playing literally anything but namor or storm in this game. he is horrible. he isnt even fun, AND hes useless. I like the idea of having a turret hero, they need to make his turrets sicker.
I freaking love playing Spider-Man. Swinging has always came naturally to me in any game that has it. Honestly I'm not sure if I just need more to learn, or maybe Spider-Man is just a noob stomper and nothing more, because once you run into a team doing infinite callouts, I cannot get any picks off, at most I can just annoy them. But then when I run into a team that constantly isolate themselves, or not pay attention to their surroundings, Spider-Man is so so good at picking them off quickly and efficiently. What do you guys think?
I have 12 hours on rocket and a 64% winrate. he has one of the highest skill ceilings in the game. He has some of the best movement with wall climbing/running and 2 dashes on quick cooldowns. And having bounce heal orbs means you actually have to shoot trying to predict bounces for maximum healing. Placing the armor station in key moments for the ideal rez on a teammate, etc. I actually think he is one of the best supports in the game.
How is rocket raccoon one of the highest skill ceilings in the game when there are heroes like Spiderman or Black Panther. He's not even the hardest strategist that would be Loki
I read that and had an aneurysm aswell. ‘Highest skill ceiling’ whilst all he’s good for is spamming heals and surviving. His damage output needs buffed bc it feels abysmal in comparison to nearly every other support.
I feel like Wolverine is so misunderstood in this game. I'm glad that at least you caught onto his ability to shred tanks tho, I don't hear that enough from others. I think that right now, being that tank is the least popular role and there's not a lot of characters to choose from there, having a tank buster doesn't seem prudent. But in future updates when there's more tanks in the game, I hope that Logan stays the way he is now, I don't think he needs a rework at all. That said tho, I do definitely agree with your placement of him and agree with the whole tier list. Excellent job on it
I feel like they should play into his healing factor more of course don’t make it OP but I just feel like they dropped the ball on it also a wall climb would be great he’s stuck his claws in plenty of walls to get around in comics and movies why not add that
@@MasteroftheFlyingGuillotine True, kinda strange that he can't climb walls. I guess in my opinion, the easiest way to buff him that would make sense would be to give him lifesteal that scales with his rage meter. That would probably make him broken, but I mean, Jeff exists.
id much rather play him like a tyrn from LoL, who can dive in and wreck hell without dying, than some tank buster. Many other heroes I feel could fulfill the tank buster role better than wolverine. tank busters r boring as hell and this is not in the spirit of wolverine. Look what they did to Sombra in overwatch 2, turned her into a tank buster instead of a flanking champ. she was the single most meta funnest champ to now literally no one wants to play her because shes just a tank buster now. Wolverine should be fun af with skillcap risk/reward type of play and not just a tank buster who hangs out doing dps. I suggest giving him a long 30 second CD that makes him unstoppable and cant go below 50 hp for 5 seconds. then giving him like a shit ton of constant passive healing, so that gives you time to secure kills before dying, or also being able to potentially get out and come back in after passively healing. This wont make him a tank because if he gets focused by the entire team he will die or he will have to retreat from trying to kill the healers. I just feel like wolverine should be a quick fighter brawler with bursts of speed and damage who feels a tad beefy and scary to fight against where the enemy team needs to focus him or he is gona kill the healers and squishys. not necessarily a tank or assassin, but somewhere in between both roles. Like xin xoa or warwick from LoL. his ult also hella sucks. his ult shoulda been like where he does like 5 heavy short dash attacks where he draws a big X with his claws, blocking incoming damage when his claws swing, and it does a minor inturupt/stun/slowing effect in a big wide aoe each swing. he needs reworked, not many people play him not because they dont want to play wolverine, but because he isnt really effective or that fun.
its so satisfying when you have a niche/seldomn known favorite marvel character and they end up getting treated so well in a game and being one of the strongest (if you havent caught on, im talking about ma boi Moon Knight)
The trick with storm is that you ping the enemies so that your team knows who to Target just like how she is in X-Men when she says come to me my X-Men, plus the slow effect is so powerful no she's not the best and no she doesn't do the most damage but she trades it for the tactical side and with all the noobs in the game right now she's basically invaluable
@@Sasha-jo4tw you are absolutely right anyone can ping but because storm has air superiority and not much in her kit she has the time to be able to do those tactical call-outs compared to someone like the hulk who has to constantly be putting up his shield jumping ect, even iron Man can't ping is easily because his circle ability makes him go too fast. If you played Storm for even a second you would know that you kind of need to stay behind cover most of the time (I've gotten some juicy thunderbolt kills by pushing after my ult) the problem with this is that just because you think someone doesn't mean your teams going to do it imagine trying to ping people as Captain America you could almost do it with someone like Cloak and Dagger but maybe you just don't understand
I'm gonna be honest, I skipped around it a bit and skimmed, BUT NAH you can't put Wolverine, who you said probably should get a rework, in the same tier as Loki and Adam Warlock. How's Loki's healing output bad, are you placing the decoys properly? His shift is an immortality field and just instantly saves yourself and whoever is in it no matter how low they are and allows them to stay full until it goes down. About Adam Warlock, sure his healing is more restricted cause of cooldowns but it is really good for single bursts, and his shift ability gives a ton of sustain to your team. Really though, Why did you not mention his passive, his insane team-up ability and his ult?!
1. Loki has bad movement 2. Easily Dived even with Clones 3.His healing is bad because xyz players are bouncing all over the map. 4.He is only good in a highly coordinated team. If the other team has better aim then your Adam sucks and simply can't keep up. His ult is no bring deal, it brings people back with enough HP to get 1 shot.
@@pegetayou’re just outright wrong dude playing as Loki if you properly place your clones its impossible to dive one. Lokis movement with clones allows him to move all around the maps. I’ve made it to plat with Loki and he’s not just A tiers/ the worst strategist.
@@pegeta 1. F ability allows him to swap between his placed clones 2. See 1, also his shift ability stops dives. 3. This really is dependent on the map and where you are placing your clones on the map. From experience, I think Loki can place his clones well enough on most maps to cover the most important areas and is able to replace the clones well enough. At the end, both of us have assumptions about his healing output but no numbers to back it up so let us leave it at that. 4. See 3 5. His ult gives temporary invincibility, so you do have time to heal your team back up for the fight, I think his E and shift's ability to burst heal and sustain are great for that purpose. I'll admit I don't have enough experience to ascertain whether or not you could consistently get the team to full health in time before the invincibility wears off.
racoon is crazy good. has the best mobility amongst healers, doesn't need a peel to disengage from a flanker. He just lacks burst healing otherwise he'd just be a broken must pick
Rocket is really good in my experience his healing while not the best you dont have to be accurate and it flies across the map plus they can rez friendly into a safe area. Hes also really hard to kill between dashes and wall run.
@@-CornDawg racoons are cute af I love them. I kept saying racoon is my main, before even playing the game for like 3 weeks. But I play the game now, I never play racoon ever now even tho he was the first I tried out. I much prefer cloak.
Trash panda is not a burst or focus healer but he is absolutely amazing at team healing and keeping an entire lane of Allie’s healthy since you can just fire endless balls straight down Main Street or wall to wall in a choke. You do a lot of decent healing to everyone just not a ton to one target in particular. On top you have the BEST mobility of the healers. Jeff is a close second but he lacks the burst speed of a jet pack and his fin is basically how big rocket is at all times. His BRB can cancel a pick and his ult is basically adding another 2 plays worth of damage to your push or defend. In a game where each pick has a huge impact getting that extra damage burst to cinch a kill is a great ability.
As a Iron man player its true you're an easy target "IF you're in out in the open" just like any heroes in the game, the difference is it's far easier to be out in the open when flying if you're a beginner to flying heroes, use the terrain as cover and if you keep dying that's just skill diff. in the end
I think you misunderstood the point of Black Widow's melee ability. It's not meant for melee damage, but rather as a way to push melee duelists away from you long enough to hipfire them before they kill you. Also, you can use her hipfire if you don't like not being able to peak around corners.
I've been maining namor and i swear people are missing his strong suits. those octopi can be stuck to any surface, including the payload. I can get a lot of mileage off of putting the turrets in weird spots and high angles. they might get picked off, but they return fast and come back faster with trident hits. they also auto-aim and can do good work against fliers and dodgers. he also has a good escape and can a third turret with Luna.
27:20 - "i think the most important thing for duelist is to be able to do as much damage as you possibly can without anything kinda slowing you down" and yet you put Hella and Hawkeye on the same tier as spider man, the two heroes that delete anything with only their primary fire
Best tier list I've seen so far, seeing people act like they know everything in Marvel Rivals even though the game hasn't even been out that long is kiiiinnnda annoying, but seeing your disclaimer at the beginning just was good *chef's kiss* thanks for basically not just gaslighting the community
I disagree that punisher moves better than starlord. I became a iron fist hunter with starlord he can’t touch me when he does get close, and the hulk is pretty mid to me, his kit pretty much just makes him a sponge and his makes him bigger so you just get cc’d and killed because you’re an easy target. And his damage is underwhelming
Bro I agree with some of the ranks you listed, but as a support player, you telling me that Jeff is better than Luna Snow??? Luna has CC, with good aim she can put out tons of damage, and healing, and the range of her attach and healing are on the same part, if not greater than Jeff. She also has ability that can penetrate healing, AND damage enemy at the same time. On top of all of this, she has an objectively better ultimate than Jeff. How did you come to the conclusion that Luna is worse than Jeff?
I think luna can be comperable if you are very good with her. Her ult can swing the match but in general I think shes not quite as good as jeff, skill for skill, and shes not as good as cloakdagger. I think she is tied somewhere between being under cloak and tied with jeff for 2nd or 3rd best healer. But anything can change this meta including which comps/tanks are being played more often, perhaps. idk, my main healer is cloak, and when i see luna I go oh sick I see luna leme go kill her ez. literally every time i see luna, im well fed.
@@monitorlizard9971 nah Luna is better than both of them. and the one no one is talking about here is Mantis who is likely the best healer in the game. those 2 healers have so much utility, healing and damage its insane as well as them both having the best support ults in the game. the 2 of them will dominate higher metas for a reason. this doesnt mean other healers are bad and they def arent but Luna and Mantis are on another level
No, this guy comes from apex legends. He’s known in that community and he makes good videos. But I do understand that it’s sounds and looks like AI stuff.
He’s really bad at this game. Just the clips alone show that. I had to stop it when he was showing his Star Lord clips. I don’t disagree with where he put him actually, but maaaaan this guy cannot play this game lmao.
I feel like it's the most accurate tier list I have seen yet. in the beginning he pins down all of the heroes who absolutely are completely not played at all in meta sweat lobbies. And then his S list was also really accurate. There were some minor mistakes with how he rated difficulty to learn some heroes but the actual order of weakest to strgonest I felt was very accurate
I regularly have way more healing with Rocket than the other players in a match. It's all about hitting your allies with healing and placing your beacons in locations that keep them out of line of sight.
Iron Man could be fixed by giving him an ability that makes him slam straight to the ground and do a superhero landing. Would help you get out of the air quickly. I also think he should be just a little faster.
I'm pretty sure Black Widow is being played wrong. Since she is a "sniper", everyone plays her as such, but I assure you that by doing that, you are not applying the potential she really has, you have to be more aggressive and use her sprint and jump much more constantly. If you want to play oneshot from afar, you already have Hawkeye for that, (he's literally a better sniper than the sniper), but I don't see Hawkeye being as aggressive as I know Black Widow can be. Also, a tip, between shots, stopping aiming with the scope is a good option, so you don't get lost in tunnel vision. Quickscoping is highly recommended.
Scarlet witch make damage based on health its on her bio 😑 She is a tank buster + her stun if you play against a good Scarlet you soon seeing she is an s tier🎉
The biggest tip I can give to dominate on scarlet is to get used to abusing her phase shift and quick ascend rate and float afterward. A good scarlet that makes sure they have a phase on deck when they flank or engage is nearly unlivable or will be able to go toe to toe with anyone in a position to hard chase. When you phase GO UP. Players have a very difficult time transitioning from horizontal targets to vertical.
@@mikokiviniemi3184DPS isn’t everything. Especially if it means you’re getting eliminating and not just chunking out damage that is meaningless and safely healed without securing a kill.
@JustChillinOnThe5thFloor honestly game is young so much of it is subject to change. That being said he place both Hawkeye and Hela beneath moon knight the character who cannot isn’t hitscan like Hela, cannot oneshot like Hawkeye, can’t stun like Hela, has one of the worst ults in the game, most of his DMG output comes from the easily breakable ankhs or if you’re good just kill him. Furthermore, winter soldier is also above those two despite having fall off like Hela but has projectile shots making him worse than her, Hela can escape better than him, Hela has a stun, Hela’s ult is as good if not better, Hawkeye has a consistent and fast oneshot which allows him to obliterate any non tank and even tanks he shreds.
But like how tho? On paper he literally has nothing on those two except mobility and AOE dmg. Are just most moon knights shit or something? I’m not trying to trash talk I genuinely want to know if I’m missing something
@@eggshells-p2w yeah the game is young best time of the game before we find out the true season 0 meta. Good points I never used Moon Knight not Winter Soldier but I understand what you mean from my time with Hawkeye and Hela.
@@LorenzoC2314 I get ya, but with all the other content I've seen covering him; he seems to land consistently around B- which was baffling to me. Glad you helped me clear that up
That opening statement about you the player having fun is so important. As someone who had his main excluded from the last and final soul calibur game for stupid lore/story reasons, having a main at all regardless of tier is something to value that people don't even consider.
I’ve been using squirrels girl a lot. She’s a bit weak acorn toss. I feel like it shouldn’t bounce around because 99% of the times it bounces around and it never hits anyone. You really have to directly hit someone to root them I feel like they can turn the acorn into a bomb that explodes into smaller acorns that do little bits of damage and if you directly hit someone it’s still roots them and also explodes she just need a little buff I also think she should have built-in double jump and two charges on her tail bounce. I feel like for a character. She’s not oppressive as they think she is. I feel like some of the times playing her. She’s just there and I’m just there not being able to put out enough damage, and I feel like having that acorn explode into smaller pieces would make her a much better character and more fearful when going against her you can’t just come up in her face and not expect to be punished I know you can shoot her auto attack on the ground to bounce in front of enemies to get them like that but the radius also for that is also minuscule. The blast radius on her auto attack is so tiny.
Magik is only usable against competent people once you learn her combos and tech. Otherwise you better off picking any other dps. Also fun tip, your dash goes to the left of your crosshair and is entirely based off your character model. I removed my crosshair and instantly got better at landing it. Also your m2 is a trap, the charge m2 into dash is worse way of getting a oneshot. You should instead use it as an animation cancel between your swings/quick melee to speed up your next swing for more burst damage.
I’ve been trying different playstyles for wolverine as a dive character onto solo players and as a defensive frontliner and to me nothing feels right. I did go 22-0 diving but I feel like I got lucky. Idk I just feel like rn he’s lost in what type of role of a dps he should be
Oooof I love early lists because they are so varied till the game settles down. Many put squirrel girl as one of if not the best duelists in the game and I can see why. A good SG player can absolutely melt teams. Like a good junkrat player in OW. It’s an odd playstyle to do well with but I also think she takes less skill than many of the other higher damage characters so….if someone is used to the projectile arc then she’s more or less an essential. In any game mode where there is likely to be a team clustered up I also think she is essential as a pick.
Rocket is really good as he has a lot of escape options , the longer he survives the longer he contributes to the team and thus can often outheal most strategists
I actually love the idea of doing a tier list for normal players. Like pro players will think someone like Cloak and Dagger, Star Lord or Scarlett Witch suck while for most people all their auto aim bs makes them busted good
no, moon knights biggest weakness is that he's easily contested. he loses against most duelists in a close range 1v1. especially when you get dived by psylock, spiderman etc. it's really hard to hit the shots close range. even if: your burst dmg is lower and you're overly reliant on placing an ankh as self defence, since his movement is pretty lacklustre.
I'm surprised to see Thor so high on the list. I guess I had the wrong idea because he was so underwhelming in the beta when he released, but now I'm definitely gonna give him another chance next time I play.
Magneto way too low. He is around the same level as Dr Strange and clearly those to are the top 2 tanks. Also Warlock, Hela, Punisher, and Hawkeye too low.. The most broken heroes in the game are Mantis, Luna Snow, Hela, Winter Soldier
Spider-Man is absurdly powerful once you get his combos, best duelist in the game imo. Can take down any squishy nearly instantly and can solo tanks if you’re good at his movement
My main is Ironman, and he is the most fun character I've played with thus far. On my first game with Ironman, i got 27 kills, which is my record currently.
I disagree on storm, I think she's a good support duelist, she really shines in poking the backline while the tank face tanks and giving underwhelming tanks a damage boost or speed boost. If the enemy's get to greedy you boost the trigger her lightning storm or slow the enemys(I prefer damage over slow) . I don't think storm should be silo fighting at all unless it's against Ironman in the sky but I think she's a solid b tier
I dont think storm is that low tier tbh, her proyectiles going through tanks can be so annoying if u position well and her ulti gives u 2 or 3 kills for free to the enemy backline without a possibility of dying as she gets so much shield, also her aoe support is nice but thats more secondary, its a weird character but her skill ceiling makes her be potentially rly good
Storm is one of my dps mains and I feel the same. She is a great skill-support-dps unit with a high ceiling. And that's also the issue you "have" to utilize her kit with skill or your going to be down bad worse than if you chose a "easier" character with hit scan and has mobility along with escape panic moves and higher burst damage. Personally would like Storm to get a buff to her flying speed and she should have a Team-up with Black Panther.
@JustChillinOnThe5thFloor Id like to see a whole team with dmg boost in just one guy like mantis E, storm area and that stuff into black panther or some shit, dude would oneshote with a single dash lol
Some want wolverine to do more damage, but I think he should be more tanky instead, but without being a vanguard. Even just a passive heal of 15hps at all time could fix him. It's not much, but it can be just enough where he's not having to rely so much on specialist and health packs. Also 15 hps becomes like 30 hps when you have 50% damage reduction.
Good disclaimer! If you try to force yourself to play someone that you hate *just *because they're meta (which can literally change any moment with a patch), all that's gonna happen is you're going to get bored, frustrated and burned out.
I think meta comps will be 1 or 3 tank teams with high team-ups. Also for namor he has a high skill gap to play him at his best you need to hit only headshots; in my opinion he's one of the strongest and can kill tanks super fast and has high survival with his shield ability as well.
Bruh, you gotta learn how to play Loki... lol. You keep your clones either spaced out or stacked for dropping the heal depending on the situation, and shoot into the crowd on team fights. You're actively going on both offensive, and support at the same time as Loki, he is one of the better Strategists. Not to mention he also has invisibility for surivability (also drops a clone) and a backstab which does more damage than regular melee.
I mean her and I agree compared to a lot of characters. She’s not that good. The acorn toss is a terrible move. It has a small hit box. It comes out slow. It only does 35 damage and it only roots the person for one second. Yeah you could probably get off two shots but they’re most likely going to get healed up. I’ve been seeing they should get rid of the bounce effect because the bounce effect literally does not do anything replace the bounce effect and make it an explosion. You can throw it on the ground and it splits up into smaller acorns. It also would still be able to root people if you directly hit them with it. I also think they should increase the explosive radius on her auto attack and also her ultimate also roots enemies if they get hit by it.
@@jemarshaw4986She ain't the best but she's definitely not worse than Wolverine. I'd say she's more middle ground. The only time I even have a problem with the bounce is when I'm throwing it at stairs, other than that I don't really have an issue with the skill. Yeah they could get healed from the DMG received from her but not only does that apply to pretty much most characters in the game, most of the time they don't get those heals unless I start choking shots.
@ she’s just not a good character at the moment I’ve had games where I’ve done amazing with her. You start to notice after a while. You’re not really doing enough damage sometimes you just they’re not killing anyone and when the radius of the auto attack is so small sometimes fighting fighting someone that’s in your face. You’re most likely gonna die. She just needs a little bit of buffing
@@jemarshaw4986 You and I must have different experiences then. I see no reason to warrant playing someone like Wolverine who's the main one who needs buffs or a rework of some kind, ergo putting him at A tier, especially over Squirrel Girl is ludicrous.
To preface this, I am Plat 3 right now. I get why you are posting videos like this so early but the opinions are really glaringly questionable in a lot of cases. Magneto's strength isn't damage but staying power and poke potential, by using bubble and shield you can corner peek cover and spam constantly. He is easily the best tank in the game because of this. Despite his damage potential, Jeff provides zero utility to his team outside numbers and kinda sucks compared to other supports. Thor gets absolutely melted instantly by a competent enemy team even though his damage output is insane and he often needs a lot of support to get rolling. Moon Knight becomes easy to deal with once you just shoot the ankh's and Hela/Psylocke are the best DPS in the game. Winter Soldier also feels weird to me, I've almost never seen one take over the game. Despite the criticism here, much love to you man. I've been watching your Apex channel since 2021. Glad you are enjoying the game and I hope you keep making content!
Groot is the hardest tank to master, you need mechanical skills for his primary fire, game awareness because of his low mobility quick reflexes to place walls to block enemies and being smart to use walls in front of healers so they have a hard time healing the tank
Mentioning Spider Man while don't disagree with your teir placing of him, I do wish you explained more his E interaction with his Web Shots. Hitting one Web shot with make your E pull heroes towards him which is helpful for catching problem heroes within a team and have your buddies smash em to death. While hit two , he will into them mainly as chasing to finish off retreating stragglers. Yes, he is a high skill ceiling character who is made to be played as an assassin. Also his wall crawling is great for scouting and getting behind enemy lines also his ultimate is great for punishing players getting too comfortable being bunched up for potential table turner. He is fun if like to try getting out of your easy pick comfort zone. Of course you have practise aiming.
If you have the right setup with namor he does a lot of damage especially with his octopuses plus if you have Luna snow You get a frozen octopus so you have three and then if you do his r2 his octopuses throw out even more damage
I think Black Panther needs a buff. Maybe just giving a mobility buff would help. Like a run option to run on all fours and climb walls, since he is the black panther
this is a great tier list but I would have liked to see hulk a bit lower just because he has suck a low dmg output and Loki a bit higher, he has the highest dmg out of every support and is some of the best survivability in the game.
id honestly would have put rocket at least bottom of A tier or move adam to where rocket is as they suffer from opposite problems. Rockets healing balls when properly spaced out and not spammed has far longer healing than really any other healer, and a rocket solo focused on healing, and proper B.R.B placements can drive a whole team. Adam can only solo res, and group res with ult, Rocket can res about ever min. Rocket can also get into some of the most impossible places and heal from angles no other healer can. yes im a rocket main and like you said the best character is the one you have fun with, but ive out healed and mvp'd far too many times with rocket cause the other healers cant get to or survive as rocket can.
storm can easily be fixed if they increased the passive strength of her weather stances for specifically herself. like... her average state should be like when you hit her E or at least a little weaker, and when you pop it it should give her more Damage or speed. ontop of that her lightning state should zap enemies continuously who are within it. there are so many ways to make storm still play as she does and make her much better, cuz i agree she's a dps support and isn't good at either.
wasn't mentioned that Magneto's biggest fall off is if no one shoots at you.... or your bubbled target you do basically nothing, i found landing your right click to be pretty important. also jeff not taking headshot damage is a lie as i've been able to do this on widow consistently
Im not going to be like a lot of other people in here, blatantly disagreeing with you, but I will say Im a Loki main and he's extremely OP. I feel like you probably ranked him properly, but when you have both clones down and in good view of your targets the amount of damage and healing you do is insane. I got MVP and 42 kills one game with a Loki, and whole time I was keeping my team alive aslong as they didnt get too far from me/objective
I think Punisher is the best hero in the game. I went 49-2 in my second ever match with him, bear in mind I’m not even a good player. I didn’t play Overwatch that much and I was still figuring out the game at the time. I’m also on console playing with crossplay on. He’s really strong
thanks for all the comments on the video!
I think the greatest thing about marvel rivals is, at least for now, any hero can feel powerful, so i understand all your opinions on different heroes
lets come back to this again with a new tier list in a month when the meta settles
You got cloak and dagger backwards. Cloak is the male, dagger is the female.
Noticed that too -- it's subtle but Cloak is the one in the cloak and Dagger is the one who throws the daggers
@@utmostkibbles9125 this comment reeks of misinformation
@@IllegalPizza777 ?????
@@IllegalPizza777 my sources are secret but reliable
He got this mixup for two videos now. I love my man merchant with his mishaps
“Punisher has better mobility than Star Lord” is insane have u played him ?? He’s THE mobility guy behind spider man
Yeah this list is pretty sketchy
That's what I was just thinking lol, how do you even put a comparison between those two, they play completely different
This guy has 100% no Clue what he is Talking about 😂
Right? Lmao. Imagine thinking Punisher is more mobile than a person that can fly with rocket boots. lmaoooo
@@usuallydopesvsc and does rocket flips that reload his guns
Wolverine should have been a regeneration tank.
Nah. He’s just clunky right now
Comic book wolverine is 5'3 how he gonna be a tank
@@macky453 🤣 Reminded me of that scene in "Deadpool & Wolverine" with the comic book accurate Wolverine
I wish they would rework so many champs. So many are close to being really cool but not quite, wolverine really needs to just passively heal always so he can dive and the team has to focus him burn him down. instead of that stupid shield buff, it should be like you cannot go below 50 hp for 5 seconds and become unstoppable. lets him finish his kill even if he is focused down and is going to die probably. I feel like this kit is more of the spirit of making wolverine feel like that frenzied unkillable force. its crazy how bad the devs missed the potential of wolverine. Although his attacks seem somewhat cool.
@@macky453 it doesn't matter how big you are.
Venom is definitely the best dive/disruption tank. But here’s the catch, he has the Ball problem. For those of you who’ve played Overwatch, Wrecking Ball is the tank with the highest mobility and disruptive abilities for the enemy team and have huge impact on gameplay flow for the enemy team. Until they swap to all of Balls counters and he can’t play the game anymore. Venom has the same issue to where if he plays into a Mantis/Snow and Bucky backline he’s very susceptible to CC. Just like Ball.
Be me: play venom, dive the backline just to get frozen, slept and then stunned by scarlet witchs bubble.
@ and then you’re whole teams complains that you aren’t doing anything.
Happens a lot. Instantly counter swap
Everything about squirrel girl was incorrect.
She is strongly S tier, also her squirrels bounce directly 90 degrees perpendicular to the wall they hit.
she can also lock down and stun two tanks at a time which is insane.
As true as this is, imo his movement is far better than Ball. Ball can only fall straight down while Venom's ability to dive diagonally helps him get away
I agree with Storm, it felt like they didn't know whether to make her a duelist or a support and just placed her at the bottom of both roles. The only good thing about her is her ultimate. When you start playing competitive mode, you can barely see her being picked. She doesn't even have any rain or hail abilities which the hero is also known for in comics.
She's a good pick if your team doesn't know what they're doing and you make it the focus of your game to hide in the air behind a building and take little pot shots at the other team from behind, if the map allows.
Storm just needs the right comp for her, she can absolutely go crazy
I main storm… I literally go 20+ - 5 - 30 with her. She’s the ultimate mix of support and offense 🙏🏼
i thought the same but someone o my team got 32 kills as storm yesterday
Storm is really strong if ignored. She could dish out a ton of damage in a huge aoe. Along with increasing everyone's DMG.
But it depends if the storm user wants to play by taking pot shots or in the mix. You can't do much hiding and flying too high bc her abilities don't support from too far and her attacks don't hit from too high up. Not her regular attack bc that one tickles.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on magneto. Magneto has way more impact than most of the other tanks in terms of carry potential. His bubble shield has hp of 300! This is ridiculous in or against a dive comp because you can more than double your diver's hp or protect your strategists against a dive comp. Magneto's iron sheet field thing (forgot what it's called) has insane utility of countering infinite damage. Of course you have to time it well, but you can catch punisher, iron man, scarlet witch, spiderman, and more ults if timed well. Magneto's assassination ability is also ridiculous. You can murder supports with a primary, full charged metal ring dagger, primary combo and suddenly the enemy team is down a support. Finally megneto's ult is insane. You can straight up deny all projectiles from the enemy team if you're in a choke point, and then proceed to delete 1-3 members of the enemy team with the meteor, if not baiting every single one of the enemies' movement/protection cooldowns. Alright rant over I just really like Magneto
Agreed - people need to put at least an hour in each character and check the stats - was shocked to discover my magneto had the biggest kill strrak. The key is staying alive
you know: I was feeling awful for never getting many kills with Magnetos ult. But you putting it as "baiting movement abilities" makes me feel less bad ngl. Ofc, I can't do the whombo delete combo yet as I suck at aiming him. Well I suck at aim in general since this is my first hero shooter. I just was inexplicably drawn to Magneto. I love him. And one day I hope I can MVP with him :)
Wait, his shield has 300 hp?????…….
@@avocadothecat got my first mvp with him today :) he's just so fun to play cuz I feel like I have a say in everything that happens during a fight
@@PostHimUp yes confirmed by the marvel rivals website! You should for sure check it out to get exact numbers on everything :)
I don't think you understand how a tier list works...
That and some of his opinions are a bit "uhuh"
You can't have wrong/bad picks if everything is wrong/bad lol.
Theres nothing wrong with him saying that the worst legends are C tier. Just means he thinks every one is usable at most levels of play. That being said I think you can make the argument Iron Man and Wolverine require their own low tier. Try using your brain before criticizing others.
Then make your own tier list instead of being a negative person.
My guess would be to help retention rate. People will always click to the end and doing it like this would entice people to watch the whole thing a bit more
jeff’s survivability is unmatched
Iron Man, Hawkeye and anyone who can spam AOE shit on jeff, Hell Squirrel girl doesn't even know he is in the game. All you gotta do is shoot the ground and he dies easily.
@@pegetanot in casual
Jeff never dies lmao
@EngageTV why would casual be any different
My poor boy's about to be hit by the nerf stick😅
@@dominicwilliams214 i don’t think so tbh
Any character can be S tier if your really good with him/her. Play what you want and have fun!
not storm, except for hiding in the back or taking out other storms/iron mans
@@goemon9378 Storm and Wolverine are pretty bad
Just like any competitive game ever, no, this isn't true.
wrong
I agree somewhat.. That's the good thing about this game.. Most characters feel op if used correctly.. For example by far Mantis is my favourite character/healer..
The biggest issue with Spider-Man is how hard he is to learn.
If you played the PS4 Spiderman, it's almost the same playstyle, but every enemy is a Boss. Swinging and Melee Launch has cooldowns. Combos don't Stagger. And yes, the Swinging is BETTER than the one from PS4 Avengers game.
No one's hard to learn and he literally just comes down to shooting someone with webs, pulling them to you and uppercutting them, then just bounding the fk out the fight. Literally kill any duelist.
People Really hyping up difficulty in this game like characters have 20 button long combos or something. People say Web swinging is hard too, but even on my First game as Venom and Spiderman i could easily control where i wanted to go.
@@Gration_right😂I thought he was going to be hard did one 5 minutes practice sesh and learned spidey quick
@@Gration_ sure pal
I think Ive won 8 of my 10 loki games he can be absolutely nuts.
You can even cloak and go backline, set a decoy and just start bullying the backline with your solid damage and your mark giving you healing when you take damage.
The games I do lose tend to be hard fought, I think Loki is a control strategist who is really good at locking down areas and protecting himself which makes him great as a solo strategist
agreed.+ u can practically be invisible the whole time while laying decoys and healing teammates
Sneaking behind the enemies backline is a really good idea, I definitely have to try that, because for me loki did not feel that strong. He should definitely be able to heal himself by switching to a decoy that has more health than him, because you often have to use the circle for him alone
v true love playing support in this game and he defo is top 3 also his ult can win team fights but if you use his small ammo count well he can prob be the best if you like support id recommend mantis so fun v like kiriko from ow
Magneto is an S tier tank. He has self bubble ally bubble, wall, a fantastic dps stopping ult. A rock that can push enemies back. And a combo with scarlett witch that makes him a close range menace
true, he's a top 2 tank but scarlet is trash
Putting Magik so low is diabolical. Once you learn to use your dashes and teleports to swing into the action, deal a bunch of damage and escape you can dish out insane damage in team fights and can delete alone heroes. Her having so short teleports also means you won't just run away from the combat rather think where you can take a little breather and throw yourself back into the action. Combined with a good healer she basically turns into a far better tank than most other actual tank heroes.
Here's the list! If you were curious, but didn't want to go through all that shit! (Time stamps or not)
NAMOR: B TIER
IRON MAN: B TIER
STORM: B TIER
SQUIRREL GIRL: B TIER
BLACK WIDOW: B TIER
ROCKET RACCOON: B TIER
BLACK PANTHER: A TIER
STAR=LORD: A TIER
MAGIK: A TIER
WOLVERINE: A TIER
HULK: A TIER
MAGNETO: A TIER
LOKI: A TIER
ADAM WARLOCK: A TIER
HELA: A+ TIER
SPIDERMAN: A+ TIER
PUNISHER: A+ TIER
HAWKEYE: A+ TIER
IRONFIST: A TIER
PSYLOCKE: A+ TIER
PENI PARKER: A+ TIER
GROOT: A+ TIER
VENOM: A+ TIER
CAPTAIN AMERICA: A+ TIER
LUNA SNOW: A+ TIER
MANTIS: A+ TIER
SCARLET WITCH: S TIER
JEFF (SHARK): S TIER
CLOAK & DAGGER: S TIER
DOCTOR STRANGE: S TIER
THOR: S TIER
MOON KNIGHT: S TIER
WINTER SOLDIER: S TIER
Y’all already racing to min max all the fun out of this and I’m just playing namor, chilling, tossing out my little squirty turret bois, having fun, unbothered, skin clear, crops watered, giggling at Jeff and enjoying all the cake in the game, win or lose 🤷♀️✨
Me just spreading Mutant propaganda as our favourite part time Dad Magneto:
“Your gameplay: Degenerate. Min maxxing. Sweaty.
My gameplay: immaculate. Quaint fun. Better than you because I don’t care about the game aside from my arbitrary fun.”
Same bro same
As you should bro. Enjoy :)
youd have more fun playing literally anything but namor or storm in this game. he is horrible. he isnt even fun, AND hes useless. I like the idea of having a turret hero, they need to make his turrets sicker.
I freaking love playing Spider-Man. Swinging has always came naturally to me in any game that has it. Honestly I'm not sure if I just need more to learn, or maybe Spider-Man is just a noob stomper and nothing more, because once you run into a team doing infinite callouts, I cannot get any picks off, at most I can just annoy them.
But then when I run into a team that constantly isolate themselves, or not pay attention to their surroundings, Spider-Man is so so good at picking them off quickly and efficiently.
What do you guys think?
1000% agree that Wolverine needs a rework to a tank or at least a bit of lifesteal or something. Hes fun but needs work
I have 12 hours on rocket and a 64% winrate. he has one of the highest skill ceilings in the game. He has some of the best movement with wall climbing/running and 2 dashes on quick cooldowns. And having bounce heal orbs means you actually have to shoot trying to predict bounces for maximum healing. Placing the armor station in key moments for the ideal rez on a teammate, etc. I actually think he is one of the best supports in the game.
How is rocket raccoon one of the highest skill ceilings in the game when there are heroes like Spiderman or Black Panther.
He's not even the hardest strategist that would be Loki
I read that and had an aneurysm aswell. ‘Highest skill ceiling’ whilst all he’s good for is spamming heals and surviving. His damage output needs buffed bc it feels abysmal in comparison to nearly every other support.
@@yosho_sussyHis positioning and movement has a high skill ceiling, a good rocket can never touch the ground or die
@@contraband4043 He isn’t a main healer, he’s good for sustain. He can play main healer but he needs the right composition
I agree, I’m Gold 1 right now and he’s a monster in the right hands
I feel like Wolverine is so misunderstood in this game. I'm glad that at least you caught onto his ability to shred tanks tho, I don't hear that enough from others. I think that right now, being that tank is the least popular role and there's not a lot of characters to choose from there, having a tank buster doesn't seem prudent. But in future updates when there's more tanks in the game, I hope that Logan stays the way he is now, I don't think he needs a rework at all. That said tho, I do definitely agree with your placement of him and agree with the whole tier list. Excellent job on it
It feels like he needs another ability to round him out but I do think he’s a lot of fun
I feel like they should play into his healing factor more of course don’t make it OP but I just feel like they dropped the ball on it also a wall climb would be great he’s stuck his claws in plenty of walls to get around in comics and movies why not add that
@@MasteroftheFlyingGuillotine True, kinda strange that he can't climb walls. I guess in my opinion, the easiest way to buff him that would make sense would be to give him lifesteal that scales with his rage meter. That would probably make him broken, but I mean, Jeff exists.
id much rather play him like a tyrn from LoL, who can dive in and wreck hell without dying, than some tank buster. Many other heroes I feel could fulfill the tank buster role better than wolverine. tank busters r boring as hell and this is not in the spirit of wolverine. Look what they did to Sombra in overwatch 2, turned her into a tank buster instead of a flanking champ. she was the single most meta funnest champ to now literally no one wants to play her because shes just a tank buster now. Wolverine should be fun af with skillcap risk/reward type of play and not just a tank buster who hangs out doing dps. I suggest giving him a long 30 second CD that makes him unstoppable and cant go below 50 hp for 5 seconds. then giving him like a shit ton of constant passive healing, so that gives you time to secure kills before dying, or also being able to potentially get out and come back in after passively healing. This wont make him a tank because if he gets focused by the entire team he will die or he will have to retreat from trying to kill the healers. I just feel like wolverine should be a quick fighter brawler with bursts of speed and damage who feels a tad beefy and scary to fight against where the enemy team needs to focus him or he is gona kill the healers and squishys. not necessarily a tank or assassin, but somewhere in between both roles. Like xin xoa or warwick from LoL. his ult also hella sucks. his ult shoulda been like where he does like 5 heavy short dash attacks where he draws a big X with his claws, blocking incoming damage when his claws swing, and it does a minor inturupt/stun/slowing effect in a big wide aoe each swing. he needs reworked, not many people play him not because they dont want to play wolverine, but because he isnt really effective or that fun.
@ the only part I disagree with is the not effective part I consistently get 18+ kills but everything else I totally agree with you
its so satisfying when you have a niche/seldomn known favorite marvel character and they end up getting treated so well in a game and being one of the strongest (if you havent caught on, im talking about ma boi Moon Knight)
me with Hawkeye bro that's my fav character and I'm so glad he's good
@@ColeJohnson-o7g happy for u but Hawkeye is not obscure.
moon knight as "niche and seldom known"
@ to majority of fans who only watch the movies and don’t read comics, yes. Yes there was a show but not many people watched that either
@Supersonic2788-cb1mv idk ive never met someone else who's favorite avenger is hawkeye irl
Absolutely killing it with the marvel rivals content, nearly 500k views in u der 2 days? I'm happy for u man
The trick with storm is that you ping the enemies so that your team knows who to Target just like how she is in X-Men when she says come to me my X-Men, plus the slow effect is so powerful no she's not the best and no she doesn't do the most damage but she trades it for the tactical side and with all the noobs in the game right now she's basically invaluable
She needs a buff or better kit
Totally agree, seems most storm players act as field generals. And when you mark the shit outta people your team will look
@@sergeantD14 I understand what you mean but some games I'm MVP
anyone can ping it has nothing to do with storm
@@Sasha-jo4tw you are absolutely right anyone can ping but because storm has air superiority and not much in her kit she has the time to be able to do those tactical call-outs compared to someone like the hulk who has to constantly be putting up his shield jumping ect, even iron Man can't ping is easily because his circle ability makes him go too fast. If you played Storm for even a second you would know that you kind of need to stay behind cover most of the time (I've gotten some juicy thunderbolt kills by pushing after my ult) the problem with this is that just because you think someone doesn't mean your teams going to do it imagine trying to ping people as Captain America you could almost do it with someone like Cloak and Dagger but maybe you just don't understand
I'm gonna be honest, I skipped around it a bit and skimmed, BUT NAH you can't put Wolverine, who you said probably should get a rework, in the same tier as Loki and Adam Warlock. How's Loki's healing output bad, are you placing the decoys properly? His shift is an immortality field and just instantly saves yourself and whoever is in it no matter how low they are and allows them to stay full until it goes down. About Adam Warlock, sure his healing is more restricted cause of cooldowns but it is really good for single bursts, and his shift ability gives a ton of sustain to your team. Really though, Why did you not mention his passive, his insane team-up ability and his ult?!
1. Loki has bad movement
2. Easily Dived even with Clones
3.His healing is bad because xyz players are bouncing all over the map.
4.He is only good in a highly coordinated team.
If the other team has better aim then your Adam sucks and simply can't keep up. His ult is no bring deal, it brings people back with enough HP to get 1 shot.
@@pegetayou’re just outright wrong dude playing as Loki if you properly place your clones its impossible to dive one. Lokis movement with clones allows him to move all around the maps. I’ve made it to plat with Loki and he’s not just A tiers/ the worst strategist.
You're probably a low rank hero if your thinking of using those dps healers when the meta is spam healing
@@rensro2138 No arguments? ok then
@@pegeta 1. F ability allows him to swap between his placed clones
2. See 1, also his shift ability stops dives.
3. This really is dependent on the map and where you are placing your clones on the map. From experience, I think Loki can place his clones well enough on most maps to cover the most important areas and is able to replace the clones well enough. At the end, both of us have assumptions about his healing output but no numbers to back it up so let us leave it at that.
4. See 3
5. His ult gives temporary invincibility, so you do have time to heal your team back up for the fight, I think his E and shift's ability to burst heal and sustain are great for that purpose. I'll admit I don't have enough experience to ascertain whether or not you could consistently get the team to full health in time before the invincibility wears off.
racoon is crazy good. has the best mobility amongst healers, doesn't need a peel to disengage from a flanker. He just lacks burst healing otherwise he'd just be a broken must pick
Rocket is really good in my experience his healing while not the best you dont have to be accurate and it flies across the map plus they can rez friendly into a safe area. Hes also really hard to kill between dashes and wall run.
u jsut love them raccoons, don't you/
@@-CornDawg racoons are cute af I love them. I kept saying racoon is my main, before even playing the game for like 3 weeks. But I play the game now, I never play racoon ever now even tho he was the first I tried out. I much prefer cloak.
Bro I’ve been trying to main him but his bullets go so slow it’s hard to hit anything but tanks
Trash panda is not a burst or focus healer but he is absolutely amazing at team healing and keeping an entire lane of Allie’s healthy since you can just fire endless balls straight down Main Street or wall to wall in a choke. You do a lot of decent healing to everyone just not a ton to one target in particular. On top you have the BEST mobility of the healers. Jeff is a close second but he lacks the burst speed of a jet pack and his fin is basically how big rocket is at all times. His BRB can cancel a pick and his ult is basically adding another 2 plays worth of damage to your push or defend. In a game where each pick has a huge impact getting that extra damage burst to cinch a kill is a great ability.
Finally someone gives Thor some love!
As a Iron man player its true you're an easy target "IF you're in out in the open" just like any heroes in the game, the difference is it's far easier to be out in the open when flying if you're a beginner to flying heroes, use the terrain as cover and if you keep dying that's just skill diff. in the end
I think you misunderstood the point of Black Widow's melee ability. It's not meant for melee damage, but rather as a way to push melee duelists away from you long enough to hipfire them before they kill you. Also, you can use her hipfire if you don't like not being able to peak around corners.
except that Widows hipfire has awful damage drop compared to no dmg drop on scoped
And its still weak at that. Any melee hero will get right back in your face.
2:30 Really? No one has anything to say to this?
Ikr that was wild of him
List is shit
Been watching your channel since the old apex days ❤️
I've been maining namor and i swear people are missing his strong suits. those octopi can be stuck to any surface, including the payload. I can get a lot of mileage off of putting the turrets in weird spots and high angles. they might get picked off, but they return fast and come back faster with trident hits. they also auto-aim and can do good work against fliers and dodgers. he also has a good escape and can a third turret with Luna.
These takes are insane.
At least you were right about a small handful of characters.
27:20 - "i think the most important thing for duelist is to be able to do as much damage as you possibly can without anything kinda slowing you down" and yet you put Hella and Hawkeye on the same tier as spider man, the two heroes that delete anything with only their primary fire
Best tier list I've seen so far, seeing people act like they know everything in Marvel Rivals even though the game hasn't even been out that long is kiiiinnnda annoying, but seeing your disclaimer at the beginning just was good *chef's kiss* thanks for basically not just gaslighting the community
I disagree that punisher moves better than starlord. I became a iron fist hunter with starlord he can’t touch me when he does get close, and the hulk is pretty mid to me, his kit pretty much just makes him a sponge and his makes him bigger so you just get cc’d and killed because you’re an easy target. And his damage is underwhelming
Bro I agree with some of the ranks you listed, but as a support player, you telling me that Jeff is better than Luna Snow??? Luna has CC, with good aim she can put out tons of damage, and healing, and the range of her attach and healing are on the same part, if not greater than Jeff. She also has ability that can penetrate healing, AND damage enemy at the same time. On top of all of this, she has an objectively better ultimate than Jeff. How did you come to the conclusion that Luna is worse than Jeff?
Jeff’s ult is the most broken thing in the game
I think luna can be comperable if you are very good with her. Her ult can swing the match but in general I think shes not quite as good as jeff, skill for skill, and shes not as good as cloakdagger. I think she is tied somewhere between being under cloak and tied with jeff for 2nd or 3rd best healer. But anything can change this meta including which comps/tanks are being played more often, perhaps. idk, my main healer is cloak, and when i see luna I go oh sick I see luna leme go kill her ez. literally every time i see luna, im well fed.
@@jonc3519 lunas ult is literally better.
@@monitorlizard9971 nah Luna is better than both of them. and the one no one is talking about here is Mantis who is likely the best healer in the game. those 2 healers have so much utility, healing and damage its insane as well as them both having the best support ults in the game. the 2 of them will dominate higher metas for a reason. this doesnt mean other healers are bad and they def arent but Luna and Mantis are on another level
2:04 lord have mercy...
There's a storm in my pants
Hears introduction*
I say "you know what, you right"
Drops a like (already a sub) and leaves de video*
I feel like this guy is A.I. looks at other popular rival videos and slaps something together.
Bro doesnt even realize Cloak is the one wearing the cloak
No, this guy comes from apex legends. He’s known in that community and he makes good videos. But I do understand that it’s sounds and looks like AI stuff.
He’s really bad at this game. Just the clips alone show that. I had to stop it when he was showing his Star Lord clips. I don’t disagree with where he put him actually, but maaaaan this guy cannot play this game lmao.
@@mirofronhoffs8030they hatin fr
I feel like it's the most accurate tier list I have seen yet. in the beginning he pins down all of the heroes who absolutely are completely not played at all in meta sweat lobbies. And then his S list was also really accurate. There were some minor mistakes with how he rated difficulty to learn some heroes but the actual order of weakest to strgonest I felt was very accurate
I regularly have way more healing with Rocket than the other players in a match. It's all about hitting your allies with healing and placing your beacons in locations that keep them out of line of sight.
Iron Man could be fixed by giving him an ability that makes him slam straight to the ground and do a superhero landing. Would help you get out of the air quickly. I also think he should be just a little faster.
I'm pretty sure Black Widow is being played wrong. Since she is a "sniper", everyone plays her as such, but I assure you that by doing that, you are not applying the potential she really has, you have to be more aggressive and use her sprint and jump much more constantly. If you want to play oneshot from afar, you already have Hawkeye for that, (he's literally a better sniper than the sniper), but I don't see Hawkeye being as aggressive as I know Black Widow can be. Also, a tip, between shots, stopping aiming with the scope is a good option, so you don't get lost in tunnel vision. Quickscoping is highly recommended.
stoped after its you cause im having fun thats all ineeded to hear thx dude
Wolverine is D tier at best. He's just a free kill for anybody with a brain. Never play him if you want to win
Scarlet witch make damage based on health its on her bio 😑
She is a tank buster + her stun if you play against a good Scarlet you soon seeing she is an s tier🎉
The biggest tip I can give to dominate on scarlet is to get used to abusing her phase shift and quick ascend rate and float afterward. A good scarlet that makes sure they have a phase on deck when they flank or engage is nearly unlivable or will be able to go toe to toe with anyone in a position to hard chase. When you phase GO UP. Players have a very difficult time transitioning from horizontal targets to vertical.
scarlet is top 3 worst dps lmaoo
@@mikokiviniemi3184DPS isn’t everything. Especially if it means you’re getting eliminating and not just chunking out damage that is meaningless and safely healed without securing a kill.
@@mikokiviniemi3184she’s not worse than Storm or Wolverine or Iron Man
@@KnucklesWTD top 4 then waawaa
This list is abysmal
But why is this list that bad?
Not looking to debate or doubt just looking for more information as to why it's so bad.
@JustChillinOnThe5thFloor honestly game is young so much of it is subject to change. That being said he place both Hawkeye and Hela beneath moon knight the character who cannot isn’t hitscan like Hela, cannot oneshot like Hawkeye, can’t stun like Hela, has one of the worst ults in the game, most of his DMG output comes from the easily breakable ankhs or if you’re good just kill him. Furthermore, winter soldier is also above those two despite having fall off like Hela but has projectile shots making him worse than her, Hela can escape better than him, Hela has a stun, Hela’s ult is as good if not better, Hawkeye has a consistent and fast oneshot which allows him to obliterate any non tank and even tanks he shreds.
@@eggshells-p2w moon knight better than all the ones you just mentioned if he’s in a good players hands👍
But like how tho? On paper he literally has nothing on those two except mobility and AOE dmg. Are just most moon knights shit or something? I’m not trying to trash talk I genuinely want to know if I’m missing something
@@eggshells-p2w yeah the game is young best time of the game before we find out the true season 0 meta. Good points I never used Moon Knight not Winter Soldier but I understand what you mean from my time with Hawkeye and Hela.
glad someone's finally showing Iron Fist some love, I'm due to drop a 40 elim game on him 💪
Literally everyone is showing him love 💀. He has the best lock on in the game
Everyone shows him love 😂 he’s extremely strong
Finally? Lol this guy must live under a rock
@@LorenzoC2314 I get ya, but with all the other content I've seen covering him; he seems to land consistently around B- which was baffling to me. Glad you helped me clear that up
That opening statement about you the player having fun is so important. As someone who had his main excluded from the last and final soul calibur game for stupid lore/story reasons, having a main at all regardless of tier is something to value that people don't even consider.
I’ve been using squirrels girl a lot. She’s a bit weak acorn toss. I feel like it shouldn’t bounce around because 99% of the times it bounces around and it never hits anyone. You really have to directly hit someone to root them I feel like they can turn the acorn into a bomb that explodes into smaller acorns that do little bits of damage and if you directly hit someone it’s still roots them and also explodes she just need a little buff I also think she should have built-in double jump and two charges on her tail bounce. I feel like for a character. She’s not oppressive as they think she is. I feel like some of the times playing her. She’s just there and I’m just there not being able to put out enough damage, and I feel like having that acorn explode into smaller pieces would make her a much better character and more fearful when going against her you can’t just come up in her face and not expect to be punished I know you can shoot her auto attack on the ground to bounce in front of enemies to get them like that but the radius also for that is also minuscule. The blast radius on her auto attack is so tiny.
Magik is only usable against competent people once you learn her combos and tech. Otherwise you better off picking any other dps.
Also fun tip, your dash goes to the left of your crosshair and is entirely based off your character model. I removed my crosshair and instantly got better at landing it.
Also your m2 is a trap, the charge m2 into dash is worse way of getting a oneshot. You should instead use it as an animation cancel between your swings/quick melee to speed up your next swing for more burst damage.
I’ve been trying different playstyles for wolverine as a dive character onto solo players and as a defensive frontliner and to me nothing feels right. I did go 22-0 diving but I feel like I got lucky. Idk I just feel like rn he’s lost in what type of role of a dps he should be
Oooof I love early lists because they are so varied till the game settles down. Many put squirrel girl as one of if not the best duelists in the game and I can see why. A good SG player can absolutely melt teams. Like a good junkrat player in OW. It’s an odd playstyle to do well with but I also think she takes less skill than many of the other higher damage characters so….if someone is used to the projectile arc then she’s more or less an essential. In any game mode where there is likely to be a team clustered up I also think she is essential as a pick.
Rocket is really good as he has a lot of escape options , the longer he survives the longer he contributes to the team and thus can often outheal most strategists
I actually love the idea of doing a tier list for normal players.
Like pro players will think someone like Cloak and Dagger, Star Lord or Scarlett Witch suck while for most people all their auto aim bs makes them busted good
no, moon knights biggest weakness is that he's easily contested. he loses against most duelists in a close range 1v1. especially when you get dived by psylock, spiderman etc. it's really hard to hit the shots close range. even if: your burst dmg is lower and you're overly reliant on placing an ankh as self defence, since his movement is pretty lacklustre.
I agree Thor is S-tier in any game.
I'm surprised to see Thor so high on the list. I guess I had the wrong idea because he was so underwhelming in the beta when he released, but now I'm definitely gonna give him another chance next time I play.
Magneto way too low. He is around the same level as Dr Strange and clearly those to are the top 2 tanks. Also Warlock, Hela, Punisher, and Hawkeye too low..
The most broken heroes in the game are Mantis, Luna Snow, Hela, Winter Soldier
Spider-Man is absurdly powerful once you get his combos, best duelist in the game imo. Can take down any squishy nearly instantly and can solo tanks if you’re good at his movement
My main is Ironman, and he is the most fun character I've played with thus far. On my first game with Ironman, i got 27 kills, which is my record currently.
Holy dude the most j got was 21
my buddy got 41 as scarlet witch one game. and he sucks at video games haha
I feel this, I’ve had a 41-1 game on iron man with 21k damage
So good
My main is magik
27 isn’t very good
Thanks I just wanted to watch a tierlist on this game for fun lolol 🎉❤
I disagree on storm, I think she's a good support duelist, she really shines in poking the backline while the tank face tanks and giving underwhelming tanks a damage boost or speed boost. If the enemy's get to greedy you boost the trigger her lightning storm or slow the enemys(I prefer damage over slow) . I don't think storm should be silo fighting at all unless it's against Ironman in the sky but I think she's a solid b tier
I think if storm moved a bit faster she'd feel a lot better
As a Sombra main in OW2, Psylocke took no learning time. So she’s been my favorite so far.
Magneto has been a absolute powerhouse for me especially with the scarlet witch team up
I dont think storm is that low tier tbh, her proyectiles going through tanks can be so annoying if u position well and her ulti gives u 2 or 3 kills for free to the enemy backline without a possibility of dying as she gets so much shield, also her aoe support is nice but thats more secondary, its a weird character but her skill ceiling makes her be potentially rly good
Storm is one of my dps mains and I feel the same. She is a great skill-support-dps unit with a high ceiling.
And that's also the issue you "have" to utilize her kit with skill or your going to be down bad worse than if you chose a "easier" character with hit scan and has mobility along with escape panic moves and higher burst damage.
Personally would like Storm to get a buff to her flying speed and she should have a Team-up with Black Panther.
@JustChillinOnThe5thFloor Id like to see a whole team with dmg boost in just one guy like mantis E, storm area and that stuff into black panther or some shit, dude would oneshote with a single dash lol
Putting Squirrel Girl in B tear is a crime. She is crowed control and does amazing damage in chokes. her range damage/spam is her best asset.
Iron Fist is S tier. He can duel literally everybody. The fact that he can keep up with FLYING characters is broken.
Some want wolverine to do more damage, but I think he should be more tanky instead, but without being a vanguard. Even just a passive heal of 15hps at all time could fix him. It's not much, but it can be just enough where he's not having to rely so much on specialist and health packs. Also 15 hps becomes like 30 hps when you have 50% damage reduction.
Good disclaimer! If you try to force yourself to play someone that you hate *just *because they're meta (which can literally change any moment with a patch), all that's gonna happen is you're going to get bored, frustrated and burned out.
As a spider man player I do enjoy diving into the back lines of the enemy and insta-killing the occasional sniper/support character.
Scarlet Witch only doing 1 tick on damage is what feeds her chaos bolts, her real damage output. Land those and she absolutely shreds.
I think meta comps will be 1 or 3 tank teams with high team-ups. Also for namor he has a high skill gap to play him at his best you need to hit only headshots; in my opinion he's one of the strongest and can kill tanks super fast and has high survival with his shield ability as well.
"If you're right up in someone's face with Squirrel Girl, the nuts can do quite a bit of damage" is a crazy sentnece out of context 💀💀
Bruh, you gotta learn how to play Loki... lol. You keep your clones either spaced out or stacked for dropping the heal depending on the situation, and shoot into the crowd on team fights. You're actively going on both offensive, and support at the same time as Loki, he is one of the better Strategists. Not to mention he also has invisibility for surivability (also drops a clone) and a backstab which does more damage than regular melee.
Yeah no way you put Squirrel Girl a tier below Wolverine.
I mean her and I agree compared to a lot of characters. She’s not that good. The acorn toss is a terrible move. It has a small hit box. It comes out slow. It only does 35 damage and it only roots the person for one second. Yeah you could probably get off two shots but they’re most likely going to get healed up. I’ve been seeing they should get rid of the bounce effect because the bounce effect literally does not do anything replace the bounce effect and make it an explosion. You can throw it on the ground and it splits up into smaller acorns. It also would still be able to root people if you directly hit them with it. I also think they should increase the explosive radius on her auto attack and also her ultimate also roots enemies if they get hit by it.
@@jemarshaw4986She ain't the best but she's definitely not worse than Wolverine. I'd say she's more middle ground. The only time I even have a problem with the bounce is when I'm throwing it at stairs, other than that I don't really have an issue with the skill. Yeah they could get healed from the DMG received from her but not only does that apply to pretty much most characters in the game, most of the time they don't get those heals unless I start choking shots.
@ she’s just not a good character at the moment I’ve had games where I’ve done amazing with her. You start to notice after a while. You’re not really doing enough damage sometimes you just they’re not killing anyone and when the radius of the auto attack is so small sometimes fighting fighting someone that’s in your face. You’re most likely gonna die. She just needs a little bit of buffing
@@jemarshaw4986 You and I must have different experiences then. I see no reason to warrant playing someone like Wolverine who's the main one who needs buffs or a rework of some kind, ergo putting him at A tier, especially over Squirrel Girl is ludicrous.
@@jemarshaw4986i agree more with you honestly i feel as if she doesnt do enough ive played with her for a bit and my friends agree she is ok at best
To preface this, I am Plat 3 right now. I get why you are posting videos like this so early but the opinions are really glaringly questionable in a lot of cases. Magneto's strength isn't damage but staying power and poke potential, by using bubble and shield you can corner peek cover and spam constantly. He is easily the best tank in the game because of this. Despite his damage potential, Jeff provides zero utility to his team outside numbers and kinda sucks compared to other supports. Thor gets absolutely melted instantly by a competent enemy team even though his damage output is insane and he often needs a lot of support to get rolling. Moon Knight becomes easy to deal with once you just shoot the ankh's and Hela/Psylocke are the best DPS in the game. Winter Soldier also feels weird to me, I've almost never seen one take over the game.
Despite the criticism here, much love to you man. I've been watching your Apex channel since 2021. Glad you are enjoying the game and I hope you keep making content!
People are slowly realizing how insane Peni actually is which is great cuz she was usually dumped low on tier lists
Groot is the hardest tank to master, you need mechanical skills for his primary fire, game awareness because of his low mobility quick reflexes to place walls to block enemies and being smart to use walls in front of healers so they have a hard time healing the tank
Mentioning Spider Man while don't disagree with your teir placing of him, I do wish you explained more his E interaction with his Web Shots. Hitting one Web shot with make your E pull heroes towards him which is helpful for catching problem heroes within a team and have your buddies smash em to death. While hit two , he will into them mainly as chasing to finish off retreating stragglers. Yes, he is a high skill ceiling character who is made to be played as an assassin. Also his wall crawling is great for scouting and getting behind enemy lines also his ultimate is great for punishing players getting too comfortable being bunched up for potential table turner. He is fun if like to try getting out of your easy pick comfort zone. Of course you have practise aiming.
If you have the right setup with namor he does a lot of damage especially with his octopuses plus if you have Luna snow You get a frozen octopus so you have three and then if you do his r2 his octopuses throw out even more damage
I think Black Panther needs a buff. Maybe just giving a mobility buff would help. Like a run option to run on all fours and climb walls, since he is the black panther
How tf do u not realise which is Cloak and which is Dagger???💀💀💀
I don't even know how you fuck that up. Like the dude is literally a cloak.
Ones a girl and ones a black guy with a cloak lol
@@karmaq8462did u HAVE to add the part where he’s black ? 💀💀
this is a great tier list but I would have liked to see hulk a bit lower just because he has suck a low dmg output and Loki a bit higher, he has the highest dmg out of every support and is some of the best survivability in the game.
If you’re right in front of somebody’s face, the nuts can do a lot of damage”… you’re right about that, Jack. You’re right about that….
id honestly would have put rocket at least bottom of A tier or move adam to where rocket is as they suffer from opposite problems. Rockets healing balls when properly spaced out and not spammed has far longer healing than really any other healer, and a rocket solo focused on healing, and proper B.R.B placements can drive a whole team. Adam can only solo res, and group res with ult, Rocket can res about ever min. Rocket can also get into some of the most impossible places and heal from angles no other healer can. yes im a rocket main and like you said the best character is the one you have fun with, but ive out healed and mvp'd far too many times with rocket cause the other healers cant get to or survive as rocket can.
Rocket is a top 3 support. You can easily heal 25k a game. You just spam right click and you can heal the whole team at the same time
Got 2 friends talking about this game non-stop since a week, now I know how to gaslight them.
great video! well made
Loki has the most healing potential
I’d already decided I was gonna be a Thor main I rarely see other people using him and see most people putting him at b tier but I love him
storm can easily be fixed if they increased the passive strength of her weather stances for specifically herself. like... her average state should be like when you hit her E or at least a little weaker, and when you pop it it should give her more Damage or speed. ontop of that her lightning state should zap enemies continuously who are within it.
there are so many ways to make storm still play as she does and make her much better, cuz i agree she's a dps support and isn't good at either.
wasn't mentioned that Magneto's biggest fall off is if no one shoots at you.... or your bubbled target you do basically nothing, i found landing your right click to be pretty important.
also jeff not taking headshot damage is a lie as i've been able to do this on widow consistently
Honestly all characters are good in their respective ways. Some of the ones that are considered bad is because they are good for push or support
Magnetp has two shields and his ult is offensive and defensive because he absorbs enemy projectiles which keeps your team safe
Magnito is s tier
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Im not going to be like a lot of other people in here, blatantly disagreeing with you, but I will say Im a Loki main and he's extremely OP. I feel like you probably ranked him properly, but when you have both clones down and in good view of your targets the amount of damage and healing you do is insane. I got MVP and 42 kills one game with a Loki, and whole time I was keeping my team alive aslong as they didnt get too far from me/objective
Wolverine is the only character in the game that feels like trash.
You’re right. They did him dirty. How does iron fist have self heal that is better than wolverine’s? That make no sense
thank u for the first words - just have is all i need
I think Punisher is the best hero in the game. I went 49-2 in my second ever match with him, bear in mind I’m not even a good player. I didn’t play Overwatch that much and I was still figuring out the game at the time. I’m also on console playing with crossplay on. He’s really strong
I main moon knight and i absolutely delete with him. The damage he does is crazy.
How does one confuse cloak and dagger? one literally wears a cloak and the other throws daggers