A Prophet's Warnings on Gender, Sexuality, and Immorality
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- The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints celebrated a century of seminary on Sunday, January 22, 2012, with a special program broadcast featuring remarks from President Boyd K. Packer, President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.
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Just another testament we have prophets and prophecy in our day and in our church.
Exactly. What a blessing!
I love this message for a few reasons;
1. Heavenly Father didn't give us the power to procreate as a punishment nor something to be taken lightly, it is one of the most sacred and amazing gifts.
2. At the end of the day regardless of how many individuals try to make an argument about doing "what makes you feel good" you can see many people who go throughout their life feeling empty, angry, and/or sorrowful when all they pursue is an unchaste lifestyle whether straight or gay.
3. When you learn to see people as living human beings and not objects, it is so much easier to feel God's love for them and find charity in your own heart for them.
74-62 you are spot-on with your words, thank you
Thank you for uploading this!!
It's SERIOUSLY needed today, even more perhaps than it was then... given that no one seems to be saying it now...
Love this dear man - called by God to extole the truth then, and also today and times to come.
Always do as Prophet Packer says. I agree. Look at us now in 2023. 😢
Absolutely never think for yourself
@@andreatimmers1720I've never seen any sin that made me feel Father in Heaven's joy.
No one has to TELL me that.
What a blessing to be validated by a humble, faithful servant of Jesus Christ ❤
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It’s amazing how much peace has come into my life and for my family as well for listening to the prophets and apostles.
The principles of the gospel of Jesus Christ are simple and clear. The prophets and apostles reiterate those teachings to remind us.
As members of the church, we are reminded to search all truths out for ourselves. Think for ourselves. Love and have compassion for others.
The problem is that sometimes we don’t look within ourselves and figure out what we need to change. Sometimes we focus on others to the point that they get irritated. And understandably so.
I know when I wasn’t going to church, some of the members and family members (my parents and brothers) alike meant well. But it was irritating to me.
When I chose to live the principles of the gospel for myself and for my own family’s sake (my wife and children), everything changed for the better. More love and peace in the home.
God the Father GIVES us freedom to think for ourselves 🎊
What a GRACIOUS God👍🏻🫂🙏🏻
I love what you said,@@jshurt1814. Especially the last sentence. Thank you!
I love this message. Many fear speaking this truth now days, especially so boldly. Very v
Amen ! Wonderfully said . Thank you 🙏
Always Based in truth
These are time tested truths. Thanks, Pres. Parker. Prophesies of earliest time are coming true in these last days.
Well said… the truth will set you free!
Amen 🙏🏽
Prophets are a blessing
Amen
It's God who made man and woman. Now we are telling our creator that he is wrong
President Packer delivered some of the most powerful concepts in conference talks over the years, however this address not only conveys conclusions about same sex attraction and marriage that are undeniably untrue, the talk was both reckless and irresponsible. It does not reflect any of the official church policies on LGBT issues. (See Handbook of Instructions). The Church loses credibility when church leaders are brokers and purveyors of misinformation. on topics as sensitive as are these.
Why are church leaders not allowed to be men? God only has imperfect men to work with. Which statements in this talk are untrue?
The Traditional Catholic Church has been teaching this for millennia..........
So you agree it's truth?
Agreed
A Prophet's Warnings on Trump, MAGA, and Stupidity
*Somebody is confusing bigotry with prophecy here.*
There are two genders.
Marriage is ordained of God and is between a man and a woman.
Eternal truths.
As the people in Noah’s day and sodom and Gomorrah sin has become common God is the same today as then and never changing all sin will be judged
The fact that these words are seen as "bold" is sad. The prophet is saying "Choose God, you are sinning if you fall into temptations, you have the ability to choose the higher path" and somehow that's now "offensive" to so many of the rising generation. This needs to be spread more, so it isn't a shock to people when they find out they do in fact need to follow God's commandments. This message is so relevant and needs to be spread further and further.
Amen, hopefully people will see and share.
I am 68 years old and have been a born again Christian for 40 years. Spreading doctrine or teachings that may lead people to believe in the tenets of a cult is a very bad thing. Shocked no, sad and disgusted, yes. The message is relevant just not from a mormon that may do more evil than harm. These people believe some very twisted and sick stuff. 'study to show yourself approved' as God told us. 'My people perish for lack of knowledge of my Word'. Thank you Jesus!! The real Jesus, not Satan's brother.
We teach people to believe in Jesus. Can I send you a free copy of the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ?
You always have a choice. We are all individuals. Different things tempt each person. But we were not placed here without the agency. We decide what we will give into and what we will not. Everyone is granted the ability to choose for themselves. And we will all stand accountable before God for our choices. There is no force or feeling that makes that otherwise. It is the truth.
Amen, your comment reminds me of 2 Nephi 2!
NO.
Gay people do not choose to be gay.
That is an old and ridiculous idea.
Some choose. Some gay women have confessed they chose it. Some don't.
Either way, sexual relations are supposed to be reserved for marriage between a man and a woman.
@@CalledtoShare No.
That's your narrow opinion.
Millions don't Agree.
So you are stating that no woman had ever chosen to be gay?
Oh, how I miss President Packer. His straight forward speaking against evil is needed more than ever. He was never afraid to offend the Devil or his servants.
Very true!
Were is he??
@@CalledtoShare❤
He passed away.
Or real Christians!!
That's why all are equal in the sight of God. We all have a choice.
Amen!
Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself.
Pretty revelant to these times we are in. More than ever.
Prophets words get better with time
Imagine the protesters today if words were not watered down a little in an attempt to reach an overly sensitive generation.
It's nice to hear straight truth, isn't it?
Protesters would turn into activists and activists would turn into rebels, and rebels would turn into adversaries employing violence. Same old pattern.
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Thank you President Packer!
His words are tethered to pillars of truth.
Amen
He president packer taught me as child “worthy music worthy thoughts” . What a giant of a man with moral courage to declare the importance of virtue and keeping the law of chastity.
I love that reminder of the importance of worthy music.
This hits home. My parents never regulated my music and while that was nice at the time, now that I’m older I realize that certain bands I listened to at the time had a deeper influence than I knew.
@@karadanvers6136 Coradon you are absolutely right. The music does have a impact on us and now that I'm older I listen to the more positive christ-like music this way I get to work with the spirit everyday instead of every once in awhile. The spirit has filled that empty place in my heart where Christ is supposed to be in each of us. I have disposed of a lot of that kind music and hardly ever listen to the radio anymore. Before growing up I was glued to the radio and the music and I do remember where some of that music took me and it wasn't near the spirit of the Lord and the Holy Ghost is my companion. Repentance is the best because I am tired of walking alone without the armor of God. I'm tired of fighting my way through life and now, my life gets better every year. I enjoy the peace and joy also life is good! Being grateful everyday has a major impact on my life now!
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Parents, family, friends, and strangers who promote and defend the practice of homosexuality and gender transition do not love the practitioners of such. President packers admonition comes from love. First, the love for God and truth. And second, for his fellow man.
True love does not support self-destructing behavior.
I think family members are trying their best to love others, but leading people to make life altering choices demands a warning voice as well.
Amo mis liders, Oro para que Dios Les proteja y Les siga giando. Para ayudar Al Mundo que esta tan confundido.
I miss our beloved Boyd K. Packer. I love to hear him speak, and these words are needed so much today!
The world needs to hear this message now more than ever.
I wish the church would come out boldly and speak like this more often. The world needs these truths so badly these days, even including the members of our own Church.......
I think the Church already raised the warning voice. The people have rejected their words.
@@CalledtoShareYoung people, who have not heard these words, need to hear them.
@@reppi8742 they have - just look at any talk by President Oaks in the last couple of years. He's pretty bold.
We need never feel like the brethren do not raise a warning. They are the Lord's spokesmen and he manages what is spoken and by whom and when. Trust in Him fully and in his authorized spokesmen. It is the same.
@@reppi8742then it's OUR DUTY to tell them
Love Elder Packer!
It's neat that we get to still hear his words!
Imagine having video of Moses or Abraham teaching? That would be neat.
I always loved listening to his talks. This one from so long ago is right on target. So nice to hear him again. Thanks to whomever posted this.
There's always a choice given to deny ourselves of ALL ungodliness, for ALL of us.
This is true
The truth can't be watered down or diluted. It is straight forward.❤❤
Is it TRUE that God provided a guide in the Bible explaining a way to properly practice chattel slavery without ever teaching us that all slavery is forbidden/unwanted/immoral? If you claim it is not true, then I will ask you to provide scripture to prove my point...
@@GuessWhoAsks It's not true, we are all free through the atonement of Christ. There is neither slavery or bondages. He that the lord has set free is free indeed, no more chain of slavery. Truth has triumph and victory over physical and spiritual slavery
@@queensworld1814 Can you please provide Leviticus 25:39-46 from your prefered version of the Bible to prove my point. I want you to understand the differenciation in treatment proscribed for fellow Hebrews, compared to the treatment allowed for non-Hebrews...It is the difference in treatment that I want you to acknowledge is TRUE and tell me if you believe it is morally acceptable to be allowed to purchase another human and consider them inheritable property...
Amen 🙏🙌🙏
There is no doubt in my mind that Eder Packer saw today when he spoke these prophetic words.
God Bless The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and all the wonderful men who lead it.
hahahaha, HAHAHAHAHA
I dont blame others for my mistakes. Im guilty of my own decisions. And how i hurt all the time for my sins.
It's rare for people to take accountability these days. Well done.
Finally somebody tells the straight truth
As opposed to the gay truth? lol jk.
Notice he said the same thing we're told today:
To love the gays as the brothers or sisters who they are, and hate the sin.
There's a HUGE difference between a person and an action
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our leaders dont do that anymore.....they are politically correct and embracing unchastity and celebrating it being broken....
wonderful talk....our members have to hear this more
Thank God we have apostles of the church to tell us how to govern ourselves. This message is an eternal truth. Today in 2023 we need to hear it more than ever before.
God bless our prophets!
Excellent message. Thank you.
Thanks for listening
I love and support the Savior’s representatives! They speak the words Jesus Christ and God the Father would have them speak. Truth will always prevail.
Truth.
Thank you for sharing this clip. Beautiful words of truth. The truth will set you free.
Missionary memory: The Branch President in Tlaxiaco, Oaxaca, used to love reading/listening to Elder Packer's conference talks. He was a school teacher, school age group was the US equivalent of elementary school. He had funny gestures he'd do which I'm sure made him a hit with the kids, mimicking Tony the Tiger - "Yo soy un Tigre! When we received the recordings of the conference talks, we'd watch them on our PDay at his home. He'd look at my companion and me, seeing this beloved apostle he'd say in his over the top way, "Boyd K. Packer es potente!" Amen. Love that guy. Nice family, too. And yes, I do miss Elder Packer, Neal A. Maxwell, and especially President Benson.
I love President Packer.
It must be truly disappointing and sickening for our leaders to see the corruption and perversion amongst the youth and adults also in the Church. Whereas they are role models of conduct, fidelity and virtue and truly love and respect their spouses, but then have to deal with the members who have gotten caught up in the corruption of our times, it must be almost more than they are able to bear. Still, they are there to comfort, help and strengthen, and also to lead by their examples.
We live in a dispensation of time where the higher Priesthood is here and in abundance to worthy adult male members of the Church, regardless of race. What a great privilege! The Temple ordinances, sealing ordinances and keys of these have been restored to the earth! We should take full advantage of these privileges and bless ourselves and our families to quench the fiery darts of evil in our midst. Godspeed to us so to do. 🤟 👍
Amen
Just another testament we have prophets and prophecy in our day and in our church ❤
Thank you Elder Packer. You taught us to be virtuous youth, having a desire to be good boys and girls at a young age. I'm 79 and remember your teachings and know they're from God
I know Heavenly Father loves so very much even as imperfect as we are and yes there are eternal laws we need to live by, if we can just understand this we can resist temptation of any kind, 'Eternal Laws'.
After he gave this profound talk, there were protests near Temple Square. Elder Packet died soon after this. I always felt he died of a broken heart. Everything he said is doctrine.
God is not the author of confusion.
I think of the many times in the Bible that Jesus cast out evils spirits from people. I wonder how many of those evil spirits possess our people today.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@@CalledtoShare In the Mormon church, millions. You are all evil in God's eyes.
I am evil? Thanks.
That's the nicest comment I've received on UA-cam today.
Miss you Bro!
Sir you are so right with scripture ,the lord said you must preach or speak the truth of the word of god ,whether it’s in season or out of season ,whether they like it or not ,or whether you want to or not ,we have to speak it like Jesus did even if that’s on to death ,for speaking the truth ,we pray not to be put to the test ,but who knows but god ,the world today anything is possible so we have to be very will prepared for whatever Christ might ask of us amen
I have always enjoyed president Packard's when he speaks because there's always something for me to learn. I think God and our Savior Jesus Christ for the prophets and apostles to lead us and guide in these days, how great is that. This church has given me so many tools sort of speak for a greater understanding in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, I have truly been gifted even with the Holy Ghost! Isn't technology great in these last days? Anything and everything at our fingertips even knowledge,WOW🇺🇸
It does not matter how much one “behaves” a certain way or not. What is in the heart is what matters. And when it’s in the heart it is true and life affirming and wonderful. For those who can read and understand my words, you are at peace. For those who do not truly understand, you are troubled and the sermons and admonishments will only serve to trouble you more. May you follow the depths of your heart in all ways and be at peace.
A pure heart leads to pure actions
@@CalledtoShare and no one is completely pure hearted, yet. I’m speaking specifically to those who think they are the mouthpiece of “god”. Many try to understand what a pure heart is but they often have no idea. So much to learn for so many.
Thanks!
@@CalledtoShareif this was directed towards the many men who violate common decency, the law, and women, it would carry weight.
Thank you for sharing, I think the time will come, shortly, where we may need to hear that message again. The brethren need to be clear, and I hope an echo of Elder Packer's oracles and doctrine are heard again, and soon. Thank you.
In addition to that, I feel a great sense of community and respect on this channel to those Latter-day Saints that are bold in their testimony of Jesus Christ.
I see the sharing of opinions and suggestions that don't result in disunity, but correction and righteous education. Thank you for facilitating an environment rarely seen among the rifts of social media. Thank you @CalledToShare for sharing and posting such relevant and important topics and doctrines. May we all find ways to be peacemakers among the saints and all our brothers and sisters while, at the same time, honoring and respecting each other's agency. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints may be experiencing a refiner's fire or a purging of sorts; we must all be strong brothers and sisters, and develop our own testimonies and faith in Jesus Christ. God bless you, and uphold you all through His Spirit of righteousness, even unto the ends of the earth. Amen. I may have been reading a lot of Paul lately 😉 #ComeFollowMeAugust
Agreed
YEP THATS THE GOSPEL RIGHT THERE
THIS WALK IS ALL ABOUT YOU GETTING YOURSELF UNDER-CONTROL
“Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths. Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord, and turn away from evil. It will be healing to your flesh and refreshment to your bones.”
Proverbs 3:5-8
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“And he said to all, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will save it. For what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses or forfeits himself?”
Luke 9:23-25
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“Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me YOU CAN DO NOTHING If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.”
John 15:4-6 ESV
EITHER YOUR SALVATION WAS GODS WAY OR ITS IN THE FLESH EMOTIONS ENVIRONMENT FEELINGS
BEST REMAIN AND ABIDE HERE
He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will abide in the shadow of the Almighty. I will say to the Lord, “My refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.” For he will deliver you from the snare of the fowler and from the deadly pestilence. He will cover you with his pinions, and under his wings you will find refuge; his faithfulness is a shield and buckler. You will not fear the terror of the night, nor the arrow that flies by day, nor the pestilence that stalks in darkness, nor the destruction that wastes at noonday. A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you. You will only look with your eyes and see the recompense of the wicked. Because you have made the Lord your dwelling place- the Most High, who is my refuge- no evil shall be allowed to befall you, no plague come near your tent. For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways. On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone. You will tread on the lion and the adder; the young lion and the serpent you will trample underfoot. “Because he holds fast to me in love, I will deliver him; I will protect him, because he knows my name. When he calls to me, I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble; I will rescue him and honor him. With long life I will satisfy him and show him my salvation.””
Psalm 91:1-16
“Prophet “...Time will be the Judge of that...JS
We ALL reap what we ALL sew. Your decisions (sin or not sin) determines your outcome in your life....and some of those around you. But, your perception ultimately determines how your life , here and now will be played out. Bad perception equals bad outcome and visa versa .
It is not any of my business who is sleeping with who, I have my own to mind. I'll leave the judging up to God. And the Prophets. With gender, God does not make mistakes. There are NO loop holes in this.
Fought the battles of skin color and won that war of bias. Backslid debates of eye and hair color, dismantled woman rights and now question the fundamental of gender...the only thing that differentiated me at birth. Other than questioning our species, how much less can be considered?
God is the same every day the same God made Adam and Eve he sets the rules not Obama nor Biden they have to give account of themselves and you do to two genders mother and father
He keeps using words like "know" when knowledge is gained through evidence. Where is the evidence of a past spiritual life? Where is the evidence for these claims? There is an abundance of claims, but no evidence. Where are the facts that are objective and indicative of the claims?
"What do we mean when we testify and say that we know the gospel is true? Contrast that kind of knowledge with “I know it is cold outside” or “I know I love my wife.” These are three different kinds of knowledge, each learned in a different way. Knowledge of outside temperature can be verified by scientific proof. Knowledge that we love our spouse is personal and subjective. While not capable of scientific proof, it is still important. The idea that all important knowledge is based on scientific evidence is simply untrue." - Dallin H. Oaks
www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2008/04/testimony?lang=eng
@@CalledtoShare that's simply trying to change the definition of belief to knowledge. That's dishonest. If someone was to tell you that they know leprechauns are real, ... Wouldn't you expect some kind of demonstration? Or evidence? The more grandiose the claim, the greater evidence is required to be convincing of that claim.
Jesus taught that truth comes from God.
"While there are some “evidences” for gospel truths (for example, see Psalm 19:1; Helaman 8:24), scientific methods will not yield spiritual knowledge. This is what Jesus taught in response to Simon Peter’s testimony that He was the Christ: “Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 16:17). The Apostle Paul explained this. In a letter to the Corinthian Saints, he said, “The things of God knoweth no man, but [by] the Spirit of God” (1 Corinthians 2:11; see also John 14:17)."
Boyd K. Packer once spoke with an atheist about conveying knowledge. His friendly challenge was to describe the taste of salt to someone who has never tasted salt.
Whereas it may be impossible to convey that knowledge, it doesn't remove the truth that one can know what salt tastes like.
God has given ways for individuals to learn knowledge. The method is similar to the scientific method, with a crucial difference: this knowledge cannot be forced upon an individual if they don't want to know it.
This was a great story.
Follow the “Strength of Youth”……
Look at his ears. Look glued on
Here's one of the guys (along with Oaks) who said that the way to gain or strengthen a testimony is to BEAR the testimony. In other words, repeatedly jump up in public and declare that you KNOW something to be true, when you know no such thing. I guess the idea is that if you do that enough, you'll have even yourself convinced. Kinda like in the movie "The Music Man," where "Professor" Harold Hill talked about the "think" system, where if you just think about music enough, you'll become a musician. Packer also said that not all truth is good or valuable. In other words, if truth happens to embarrass or question "the brethren" . . . then No NO! Don't be messing about with truth.
Nothing he said was incorrect
Why do you people call these men prophets? They are no prophet. We are all servants of our Lord. The only prophets we have today and forever are the ones in the Bible. They are still with us today. God never said He was sending us more prophets, but false prophets would rise. So, do us all a favor and stop calling todays men prophets.
God has always said he would reveal truth through prophets. Amos 3:7
Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
Mosiah 3:13
And the Lord God hath sent his holy prophets among all the children of men, to declare these things to every kindred, nation, and tongue, that thereby whosoever should believe that Christ should come, the same might receive remission of their sins, and rejoice with exceedingly great joy, even as though he had already come among them.
luckily more and more people are getting access to high quality secular education based on the scientific method and empirical evidence, so far less people joining these cults
Yeah, how's that going for the world?
Was this a conference talk . And which one.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints celebrated a century of seminary on Sunday, January 22, 2012, with a special program broadcast featuring remarks from President Boyd K. Packer, President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.
You can watch the full broadcast here ➜ ua-cam.com/video/dek6xNdRcPs/v-deo.html
Boyd Packer was gay and had secret lovers.
If they were secret how do you know about them? 🤔
Nonsense like this reminds me that I should check on my excommunication request. 🤔
It’s truth in a time when we so desperately need it.
And isn't it great you have agency to do just that?
Yes
I just read this😂
What an unhappy and morose old man he was. I am glad that he got to see marriage equality become legal in every state before he died. He probably died with a broken heart.
"If governments were to alter the moral climate by legitimizing same-sex marriages, gender confusion would increase, particularly among children, and this would further blur the line between good and evil."
This was spoken in 2005 and is truer than ever.
God ordained marriage to be between a man and a woman.
@@CalledtoShare “Monogamy, or restrictions by law to one wife, is no part of the economy of heaven among men. Such a system was commenced by the founders of the Roman Empire... Rome became the mistress of the world, and introduced this order of monogamy wherever her sway was acknowledged.
Thus this monogamic order of marriage, so esteemed by modern Christians as a hold sacrament and divine institution, is nothing but a system established by a set of robbers” -Brigham Young
Interesting quote. Can't wait to ask Brigham for more info on this one.
Not so sure I'd be willing to leave my child alone with this man.
He was a prophet of God.
Careful how you talk about God's servants.
@@CalledtoShareThere are no prophets after Christ.
Paging Peter...
@@CalledtoShare Peter the Apostle, not prophet.
He was an apostle, then was called a prophet.
There are no prophets after Christ.
Peter would be offended.
@@CalledtoShare Peter was an Apostle, and the first Pope, and died a Martyr. He wasn't a prophet.
He was an apostle who then held the keys of prophet when Christ was crucified.
And God called Joseph Smith in this dispensation. And others after him.
God gives direction to his people through prophets. Always has, always will.
Amos 3:6-7 / Holy Bible
6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?
7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
Mosiah 3:13 / Book of Mormon
13 And the Lord God hath sent his holy prophets among all the children of men, to declare these things to every kindred, nation, and tongue, that thereby whosoever should believe that Christ should come, the same might receive remission of their sins, and rejoice with exceedingly great joy, even as though he had already come among them.
@@CalledtoShare John the Baptist is the last Prophet.
According to your beliefs. Thank you.
Packer will be doing backflips in his grave once they allow gay marriage in the temple....
It will never happen. Policies may adjust to needs of the time, but the foundation of creation and laws set from Adam and Eve should be pretty darn safe. God's plan isn't a choose your own menu option that has weekly specials.
Brother Packer should be admonished for NOT reading the Scriptures where Jesus loved everyone. The church NEEDS to stay out of our bedrooms! I had a Bishop tell me I couldn’t take birth control it was immoral. Needless to say I had 5 children…. My Bishop had 15….. poor woman
Jesus told the woman caught in adultery to stop adultering. That is true love.
Birth control is not a doctrinal issue, and you should seek guidance of the Lord when deciding whether to use it. In the general handbook, section 38.6.4 discusses the issue.
I am sorry that you felt your bishop was intrusive on this topic. Feel free to remember where this church policy is stated if you need to raise a counterpoint. Even bishops can be wrong, as everyone else on earth can be wrong. :)
No. Sorry. We need to *resist* the hard left turn to hell. We need to stand firm and proclaim eternal truth about gender and sexuality.
@@mikeonthecomputeractually, the policy changed as the people flat out rejected it and ignored the counsel. Now it's stated the way it is so people with weaker faith aren't under complete condemnation.
You are the one that needs to read your scriptures more. You are a looney tunes if you have the arrogance to presume you have read and studied the scriptures more than this man did. It was his whole life to study and teach the scriptures. Jesus is NOT a teddy bear that's going to save people IN their sins and not hold them accountable for choices. The Jesus you believe in is false. Fake. Anti. This is why the prophet has urged, warned, begged us to study Christ so we will KNOW Him as He "really is".
Any Christian trying to speak about immorality should first resolve the problem that the Bible itself creates when it provided a guide explaining how to properly practice chattel slavery in a way that keeps us in line with the will of God. The best questions to ask are....Do you believe the Bible is the inspired word of god and ALL true, or just parts of it? If you believe it is all true, then do you also believe it is morally acceptable to be allowed to purchase another human and consider them to be property that you can pass on to your children as an inheritance, or do you disagree with the Bible?
Law of Moses has been fulfilled
@@CalledtoShare "Law of Moses has been fulfilled"...It does not matter to my point, as I am pointing out that the Bible taught its followers that "slavery" is morally acceptable if done in a way that God allowed. Are you saying it was morally acceptable for the followers of the Bible to own slaves at one point in our history, but not now? Where in the Bible did YOU CalledtoShare learn that all slavery was immoral, or do you think some slavery is morally acceptable if you follow God's guide on how to properly practice chattel slavery?
God's law is the moral, that's what I'm saying.
@@CalledtoShare "God's law is the moral, that's what I'm saying."...I can appreciate that you believe that is true, which means you should be able to answer the question I asked about the specific laws that are in the Bible...I will try to ask again...
Are you saying it is morally acceptable to be allowed to purchase another human and consider them to be property that you can pass on to your children as an inheritance?
I'm saying it was acceptable because it was God's law.
It's not God's law now, so no.
Whatever God says is right.
He sounds terrible.
He was old
He is rather wrong. People will know it one day. 🙃
I think they meant MORALLY pure and chaste, not ORALLY
Yep, definitely a typo there
Wow I completely forgot about President Packer
Glad he could come back to your feed and remind you of his existence. :)