@@DontKnow-hr5my Gods are forbidden on the material plane. This can only be an Avatar, AO would wipe even greater gods from existence for even attempting to set foot on Faerun. Gale is at best a minor god.
@@DontKnow-hr5my Hey, Withers has 1 health and he's casting true resurrection left and right for a 100 gold a customer. No matter how far I chuck Jergal all he has to tell me is how fine a toss I did, all while he's evidently strolling through the realm of the dead to mind my mindflayer'd soul.
He used the netherese magic. Then Mystra destroyed it and he lost his powers. The netherese magic is another weave, different from the common weave or Mystra.
I dont know... It feels like a cryptobro that got ONE investment right and now writes self help books It reeks of bad ending to me. I really like it tho.
@@Deadpan_Snarker I love when people use the clown emoji like they're the smart ones, but theyve done it in the same comment that shows they dont understand why something was said lol. The point isn't power=bad, nerd. Thats not even a part of it.
@@deffdefying4803 Ultimate power corrupts ultimately. Be it the power of a god or a vampire ascendant, this power is not meant for any mortals hands long-term. Withers can handle his power quite well - after he gave most of it away. I don't think an ending in which someone comes into ascended levels of power can remain a good ending permanently unless they previously lost an equal amount of power.
@@100_not_cuin8 did you just stop listening half way through? right after that he said he's not against giving some direct help, and one of the examples he gave was giving a magic weapon to a struggling adventurer
Pretty annoyed with myself for allowing him to swim down to collect the crown. He was persuaded not to several times, and yet still 'asked' at the end of it all to go and retrieve it. And then.. this. I had the most disappointed look on my face the entire time he was talking *at* me, like I was being lectured. Pure ego and dismissal, with no lessons learned at all (after all he had discovered during the story!). Suffice it to say, in future runs I'll give the crown to an evil cigarette smoking crab with a lisp before I ever give it to him again. Damn you Gale.
The saddest thing about this for me is Elminster's Letter you receive in the chest. Apologising for how he failed Gale, and to never make the same mistake again.
4:00 Gale is such a "Nice Guy" I swear. As a mortal, as a silver skin glowy eyed "god", same thing. "Maybe I'll kill myself" has just become "Maybe I'll kill you"
@@JKUSMC64 Well it’s important to note that he does learn if he has some good influences. In fact I think it’s harder to convince him NOT to use the crown than it is to convince him to ascend.
I think the best ending for God of Ambition Gale is to, unironically, ascend with him. There's still large portions of the good man he was inside him, evidenced by his desire to help people obtain the will and drive to be better. I do think he sort of misses the trees for the forest, and attributes the wrong reasoning for his ascension, such as calling himself a mortal being a "low point" (which, i suppose is only true on a technicality). But his heart seems to be in the right place. Ambition is an inherently neutral concept, not beholden to good nor evil. You can be ambitious for relatively mundane or wholesome things, such as cleaning your house or getting a promotion at work so you can provide for your family better. And we already know where the evils of ambition can dwell. The entire plot of the game revolves around it. Gale can act as a sort of anti-thesis to destructive ambition. Even more so if you ascend with him. Tav (or whoever you play as) can LIKELY keep Gale in check. A sort of diety of Temperance, if you will. A god that warns of the dangers of impatience and wanton ambition, making Gale/Tav a sort of self-help Yin and Yang. The reason Gale could ascend and how he could bring Tav into divinity with him is due to the fact that Ao permits it. Its one of my favorite theories and it's one of the reasons that this ending, I think, also suits Gale. It's also a not so uncommon ending for many DND campaigns, where one or more PCs ascend.
I can't tell if this is on purpose or not but the slicing sound effects w/ Tara is talking shit are great :joy: And also sad. Poor cat mom Thanks for the clip!
It just occurred to me that Gale will get A LOT of attention from Ao, since he's actually one of the few deities people will defo want to use to ascend to Godhood themselves. Also, Ao must be so pissed, 3 Gods in camp on a mortal plane, I wouldn't be surprised if he's watching from the bushes :D
If there'll be a DLC continuation i want it to allow us to punch all that smugness away, cause attaining divinity shouldn't change personality THAT much which means he was like that since very beginning.
Godhood is often treated as a madenning lack of consequence that brings forth the worst vices of the individuals who attain it. It's hard to remain righteous when no one can hold you accountable for indulging in your innermost desires. Gale is at his best when he understands his mortal lot and embraces the limitations and consequences of such an existence. This draws parallels with Ascended Astarion, who is also granted great powers and his better nature gets crushed under the weight of their might.
Well here is the sad truth. Had Gale settled with just Arch Mage he would have been able to live forever through cloning. He could craft artifacts and establish a wizards tower. Gods in this version of dnd literally live off of worship. Gale will be effectively immortal until his first death. At which point the laws of divinity will completely take over. Should he have no worship after that first death he will stay dead untill his name and portfolio is revered and worshiped. Gods in dnd don't die die unless they are unfortunate enough to die by a handful of forbidden methods and dark rituals that the gods work very hard to keep out of mortal hands. If one of the true God killing methods isn't used gods tend to either rest in the grave yard of the gods or if they are a powerful enough God they begin their rebirth immediately.
There are deities that Mystra hates far more whose followers can still access the Weave. Mystra keeps the Weave open to 1) avoid becoming a tyrant 2) avoid getting wiped out by the Circle of Greater Powers declaring total sanctions A wizard follower of Gale could get cut off but it wouldn't be for following Gale. They would have to do something particularly stupid all on their own and likely hazardous to the Weave to earn that sanction.
Gale has a mother. A living mother. This wizard was clearly born a sorcerer. They're called greybeards for a reason, Gale. You don't get to be such a powerful wizard at such a young age without magic blood.
@@dingdring6317 I've not studied Buddisim, but I think Buddha wouldn't agree with what Gale is doing here. In fact I'm pretty ambition so great it drives someone to seek godhood is very counter to what Buddisim teachs.
It's interesting that all the "Good" endings of the story for all character is Humility. Tav resists the temptation of the Crown and destroys all the tadpoles. Gale sacrifices the crown to Mystra or lets it rust. Asterion resists the temptation of Ascension. Shadowheart breaks free of Shar and finally lives for herself. Wyll gives up his nobility to journey with Karlach in Avernus, maybe one day finding a cure with her. Lae'Zel gives up her Tyrannical ex-god and gets the opportunity to fight for liberation and restoration for her people. Halsin is Dad.
“Yes Gale, you totally became a God by yourself. It certainly wasn’t because you had a team of powerful and talented adventurers, the Emperor who protected you from the Elder Brain, and near direct intervention by Selunè/Shar and Mystra, alongside a number of other people and friends. That would be ridiculous.”
I kinda have to wonder if Ascended!Astarion is interested in becoming his Chosen. Spawn!Astarion was all like "Nope, thanks, I'm fine as I am, don't need more ambition in my life" when Gale approached him to become his follower, but Ascended one would fit Gale's new creed to the T.
Well ambition is a neutral trait to have. His followers will go from the poorest to the richest. It’s human nature to be ambitious, it’s our rise and downfall as a species
Honestly, I love that even though this is the route where Gale fails to learn his lesson, his worst possible self is him becoming even more self-aggrandizing but taking up a domain that's Chaotic Neutral at worst - and one that he genuinely seems to believe is a force for good. Even as the God of Ambition, he's just fundamentally too much of a goofy sweetheart to be anything worse than an egotistical jackass.
Truly fitting I would say. Ambition is a chaotic neutral force indeed and humans are probably the scariest races. Their ambition can save the world or destroy a divine.
Though my concern is that as centuries and millennia pass, his outlook and philosophies could change, _possibly_ for the better....but potentially also for the worst. Ambition cuts both ways. It can be a force for good, certainly. ....But it is very often also a source of great evil and suffering, and as God of Ambition, Gale now has dominion over both, and by extension can possibly even become corrupted by the latter. That's the important thing to remember. As a God, Gale is now effectively immortal, and holds dominion over a very.... _fickle_ aspect.
@@gamester512 A perfect example of ambition cutting both ways is in the game itself: Ketheric Thorm. Everything he does is a form of ambition, and had he succeeded all of Faerun would be a literal wasteland. I don't think God Gale would intervene to help someone like that now but like you said, after centuries drift by and he forgets what being mortal was ever like at all. Would his whispers to a struggling artisan turn to encouragement for a future tyrant?
She says Gale, because "Mr Dekarios" is a respectful way to address him. She doesn't respect him anymore. You can learn it if you play as a Gale origin, and talk to her after Ascension.
Ah yes, let's bring that stupid Ascended Astarion argument to Gale: "They are more powerful now, that means their past self is gone and they are a whole new different people now!" 🤡 Has it ever occurred to you that some people are just very good at hiding their true, negative sides? Is it really that surprising that Gale acts ambitious and ambiguous when he was like that ALL the time? Christ you people.
@@rollihd714 in general, I don’t think ambition is a personality flaw, but Gale’s ambition is not healthy. At the start of the game, he’s somewhat humbled by the Netherese orb incident, but he still feels somewhat self-important bc he’s such a talented wizard. The problem is that he doesn’t have a lot of self-worth outside of his pride in his abilities, which makes him even more willing to risk everything for power, because he thinks that will finally make him feel whole. Becoming a god reaffirms for him that he was right all along and the normal limits don’t (or at least shouldn’t) apply to him, and the arrogant side of his personality has totally taken over. Here, he doesn’t just think he’s better than other people, he knows it. He talks dismissively about Faerun and the people that he once wanted to help, and his personality is subtly shifting from kind of arrogant but still sweet and genuine to cold and aloof. I think Tara is a bit biased bc she’s mad that her friend is leaving her, but she’s mainly upset about the personality shift. She thinks that he has let the worst parts of his personality take over, and she’s upset with us for enabling him along the way.
@@rollihd714 this one is more debatable, but I also think that there’s a subtle implication that Gale is going to let his divine powers go to his head and might get put in his place (or just straight up killed) by stronger gods. He’s already doing things that seem extremely unwise to me, like making his partner a god, even though he knows (and explicitly says earlier in the game!) that raising mortals to divinity is supposed to be Ao’s call and not the responsibility of lesser gods. He’s clearly not satisfied with the amount of power he has right now and I think that there’s a very real chance that he’ll lose patience and do something stupid if Ao doesn’t give him what he wants right away.
@@alissapenridge7516 The only way I could honestly see Ao being okay with Gale making a romanced Tav a God/Goddess as well would be if he/she became a God/Goddess that in some way kept Gale in check, such as if Tav become the God/Goddess of say, Temperance. That way, Tav & Gale would play off of each other while also keeping each other from going too far or overstepping their boundaries. And even then, even if Ao was okay with it, it's likely that quite a few other Gods would not be thrilled about *_TWO_* new upstart Gods joining the existing pantheon.
@alissapenridge7516 I definitely do think Gale is underestimating Ao. Ao is above gods, Ao knows the moment Gale attempts to make his partner into a god and allows it for gods can only accend if Ao allows it.
Honestly the dialogue "I think it's the end, of the Gale I knew at least" seems to be pretty true... Though ambition doesn't come without ego. Fed that motherfucker so many god damn magic items and now he repays me by becoming a dickhead god.
To be fair, we all think this is the "evil" ending because we know Gale is different and we love Gale as a man. We also know that he has a great amount of ambition that we can either encourage or turn his gaze to more humble ideals. However, the gods in Faerun offer different boons to their followers whether tangible or not. Ambition is not necessarily a terrible thing to encourage. As Gale says, there are a lot of people who may be lost in poverty, sorrow, hopelessness that may feel that they "cant" do something. Despite his attitude, he isn't wrong. His story may encourage a lot of people to follow in his footsteps and develop the ambition to do something great with their life. That could be anything from having ambitions of wealth, power, or political means, or it could mean the ambition to start a family, raise children, or start a business. I don't think I would chose this route for Gale personally, but I don't think that it's all that bad to be honest. *WE* lose Gale as we know him and that is sad, but a lot of people gain a god that may give them hope for their future.
I think the main issue with it is that many characters like Tara are fully aware that most of the gods of Faerun and beyond are inevitably self-serving, arrogant beings. Yeah, many of them are symbols of truly good things and do try to help their followers to the best they're allowed...but the nature of being a god means that mortals are pawns to you. Beloved pawns, but pawns all the same. God-Gale has good intentions for the most part...but he chose to look at his mortality, his life as actual Gale, as the low. Nothing more than proof of his ambition and that he was deserving of godhood simply because he was ambitious enough to achieve it. He looks down on you for doing *anything* but 100% agreeing with what he did and what he's become. Worst part is that he isn't even angry, he *pities* you for being too stupid to get it. He went from the self-deprecating, flawed person who wanted to make up for his failures to an immortal being who openly flaunts and rejoices in them. Mystra was an asshole and manipulated Gale to the extreme, but Gale just decided to become like her.
Gale becomes a god for selfish reasons though. He is just lying to himself that it was for the right reasons. The problem with ambitious gods is that they will eventually fight the others.
@empirednw6624 I don't disagree. I do believe that God Gale is the lesser version of Gale because he IS selfish and egotistical despite believing he is better that way. But there are many God's in Faerun, and even though objectively most to all of them are selfish and self serving, just as Gale is likely to turn out to be, they still exist and people still follow them faithfully. Regardless of whether you agree with a person's faith or not, following their God gives them purpose. That purpose may be good or bad. Gale offers the idea of Ambition to his followers, and that ambition gives them purpose. WE don't like God Gale because we know he is worse, but to many who chose to follow him, he IS a symbol of hope. So the point stands, despite the fact that we personally know Gale is a worse person, there are still some positives to the God Gale outcome, but only really for his faithful.
I don't think it's that bad of an ending. He may be more arrogant than ever but wouldn't you be if you, a mere mortal nobody, became God? I think I would. Besides, ambition is not an evil thing to have as your domain.
Gale becoming a God is pretty sick. I've romanced him as a little Duergar dwarf bard and when I found out what the Duergar are actually like ascending him to godhood and him making me a goddess is kinda like becoming a second God to the Duergar that want to abandon cruelty. Idk if Seldarine is an underdark thing or only a drow thing but seldarine like duergar having a God to swear fealty to is pretty neat.
seldarine is an elven thing, and seldarine drow is really just a descriptor for drow who dont worship lolth, with lolth being part of whats considered the dark seldarine (even tho its not a separate pantheon iirc). idk if theres a similar term for duergars but i do love the idea of becoming a good god for bad races, like for my tav who romanced gale i feel like she would be the goddess of drow havens/sanctuary for seldarine drows if gale became a god
@azzindril813 Yeah I'm not super well versed in DnD. Seldarine to me sounded like a colloquial term for Drow exiles and the like since Elves generally worship myriad gods.
@loserinasuit7880 I feel that, i only got into dnd a lil bit before bg3 released lol so i dont know too much either, i only really learned this info bc i hyperfixate on lore and oc backstories lol, seldarine is what the elven pantheon is called, but i get your confusion 100% bc the term is kinda confusing, and also not really an actual category in actual dnd lore, like ive tried searching up stuff for seldarine drow but its really only a bg3 term
@azzindril813 Yeah, the Duergar just kill or torture their social outcasts until they leave or die. They're like if Drow subterfuge was replaced with outright cruelty. The dagger goes into your chest rather than your bacm.
I love how Withers snatches up the god of songs and makes him play at our camp. It feels so good knowing you have a literal god forced to play, just for the entertainment of your party. I deserved that.
"you wont let us level to 13 but you let him become a god" "I have to keep you at 12 or you will become too powerful. the complete removal of attunement slots and adding tons of homebrew magic items seemed like a good idea at a time."
Honestly, I like that this ending exists, even if it's a bad one. Like, yeah, we have canon confirmation that Gale's skilled enough to ascend. We don't necessarily need to get the ending, y'know?
It’s more of a neutral ending imo. Ambition isn’t necessarily a good or bad thing to have, and in this ending gale has the poor to help those who come from poor backgrounds rise in status, but in becoming a god he somewhat loses who he once was, and being the literal god of ambition will make other gods weary of him, since I doubt they’d be comfortable with a another god gaining more power than them.
@@Chadius_Thundercock in forgotten realms, i think, gods have a little bit of space for interpretation of their domains so their personality can fit in. also wish gale had become a god at lvl 20. would have been better.
In Gale's position I would be much more humble with tav. In one of my playthroughes I defeated Sarevok (with level 16 when tav was level 11) one on one not using Bhaal's chosen form. And in D&D at levels 17-20 you can slay greater gods in their true form. And Gale can't even reborn as was shown in his fight against Mystra. Also Minthara was right, only as a god Gale can be equal to her (she defeated Raphael in 7 turns).
I dont like how anyone is talking crap about Galen. I mean ambition can be evil but it can be of great good. I'd be happy for him. He not only turned the destructive Karsis weave into something good but he isn't a dick like mystra.
WTH! I didn't get this ending! I encouraged Gale to take the Crown and all he said was he'll have to dive down and get the crown later.. then I got the end credits. How do you trigger this ending?
Hmmmm, God of Ambition, you say? I think I heard that title before, likely from someone who kill a god and destroy the empire, hmmmm, using the inaccessible spell slot too, hmmmm, I think his name start with letter K
@@sepher9 Well, he did say that remembering one's humble origins is central to his doctrine(at least that's what I understood). Maybe he won't be swalowed by his own hubris, at least I hope so...
@@sunnyhill7919 I think the romanced god Gale ending is better as Tav is there to keep him “grounded” and not having him become a twat (someone said “Gale is the god of ambition but Tav is the god of fulfilment for him”). From what I’ve seen Tara even approves of god Gale if he has Tav by his side 🤔
@@elenalizabeth yeah, as long as Ao actually approves of Tav becoming a god/dess. Alternatively, if you are playing a rebellious Durge, Ao is really mad at your dad right now, so I wouldn't be surprised if he goes "OK, kid, your dad screwed up, be a god/dess of murder instead". That's pretty much how Ao assigned the domains last time. Bet Gale didn't exactly expect to be dating a god/dess of murder, but hey, a divinity is a divinity!
To Gale, bearer of the reforged Crown of Karsus, I would speak words of both caution and kinship. "Ambition, once my undoing, now flows through your veins. Navigate the realms with wisdom, for the path of godhood is laden with trials. May the echoes of your choices resonate in the annals of magic, rewriting the narrative of power. As you wield what was once my crown, may your ambitions shape a legacy that transcends the failures of the past."
Let's give ideas for an updated card My own idea Gale, Ambition incarnate W B U X Legendary Creature -- God Wizard Vanishing 3 Whenever a time counter is removed, you may play a permanent card from your hand or, your graveyard with converted mana cost lesser than X without paying its costs. Upon Gale dealing combat damage, X is to be considered to have been doubled "until end of turn" (not sure about the " " part) 5/5 the vanishing is both a reference to the volatile nature of ambition and how he intends to mostly be felt by his followers. The time counter ability reflects ambition by how it can leave you in a lesser state (and does tend to do so at first as you normally wouldn't be able to attack with him at first) or grander than before should you get a "hit" on what you want. Also since blue tends to be rife with proliferate (which I believe would add time counters) it represents that struggle to get up and keep up after your ambitions to keep gale on the battlefield. What might you think of for him?
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The impressive thing about Gale isn't so much he became a god, but that he did it at level 12.
True, although it's implied he was a higher level wizard prior to the orb screwing him up very heavily.
...and now is lvl 8 with less Health than Raphael
@@DontKnow-hr5my Gods are forbidden on the material plane. This can only be an Avatar, AO would wipe even greater gods from existence for even attempting to set foot on Faerun. Gale is at best a minor god.
@@DontKnow-hr5my Hey, Withers has 1 health and he's casting true resurrection left and right for a 100 gold a customer.
No matter how far I chuck Jergal all he has to tell me is how fine a toss I did, all while he's evidently strolling through the realm of the dead to mind my mindflayer'd soul.
He used the netherese magic. Then Mystra destroyed it and he lost his powers. The netherese magic is another weave, different from the common weave or Mystra.
Wow, this is kinda heart-breaking. Gale threatening Tav inbetween the lines and Tara's sadness... :')
I dont know... It feels like a cryptobro that got ONE investment right and now writes self help books
It reeks of bad ending to me. I really like it tho.
I think any path where your companions "ascend" ends with a "bad" ending.
@@sinner8684Because power = bad 🤡
@@Deadpan_Snarker power itself is not bad. you just need to be mindful of who has it.
@@Deadpan_Snarker I love when people use the clown emoji like they're the smart ones, but theyve done it in the same comment that shows they dont understand why something was said lol.
The point isn't power=bad, nerd. Thats not even a part of it.
@@deffdefying4803 Ultimate power corrupts ultimately. Be it the power of a god or a vampire ascendant, this power is not meant for any mortals hands long-term. Withers can handle his power quite well - after he gave most of it away. I don't think an ending in which someone comes into ascended levels of power can remain a good ending permanently unless they previously lost an equal amount of power.
Oh wait, so Gale gives magic items now? Lmao
I mean he literally says that he offers nothing to his followers, so no he does not give anything.
@@100_not_cuin8 did you just stop listening half way through? right after that he said he's not against giving some direct help, and one of the examples he gave was giving a magic weapon to a struggling adventurer
He just regurgitates magical items like a mama bird
Someone should put his foolish ambition to rest
Pretty annoyed with myself for allowing him to swim down to collect the crown. He was persuaded not to several times, and yet still 'asked' at the end of it all to go and retrieve it. And then.. this. I had the most disappointed look on my face the entire time he was talking *at* me, like I was being lectured. Pure ego and dismissal, with no lessons learned at all (after all he had discovered during the story!). Suffice it to say, in future runs I'll give the crown to an evil cigarette smoking crab with a lisp before I ever give it to him again. Damn you Gale.
The saddest thing about this for me is Elminster's Letter you receive in the chest. Apologising for how he failed Gale, and to never make the same mistake again.
4:00 Gale is such a "Nice Guy" I swear. As a mortal, as a silver skin glowy eyed "god", same thing. "Maybe I'll kill myself" has just become "Maybe I'll kill you"
@@JKUSMC64 Well it’s important to note that he does learn if he has some good influences. In fact I think it’s harder to convince him NOT to use the crown than it is to convince him to ascend.
I think the best ending for God of Ambition Gale is to, unironically, ascend with him. There's still large portions of the good man he was inside him, evidenced by his desire to help people obtain the will and drive to be better. I do think he sort of misses the trees for the forest, and attributes the wrong reasoning for his ascension, such as calling himself a mortal being a "low point" (which, i suppose is only true on a technicality). But his heart seems to be in the right place. Ambition is an inherently neutral concept, not beholden to good nor evil. You can be ambitious for relatively mundane or wholesome things, such as cleaning your house or getting a promotion at work so you can provide for your family better. And we already know where the evils of ambition can dwell. The entire plot of the game revolves around it. Gale can act as a sort of anti-thesis to destructive ambition. Even more so if you ascend with him. Tav (or whoever you play as) can LIKELY keep Gale in check. A sort of diety of Temperance, if you will. A god that warns of the dangers of impatience and wanton ambition, making Gale/Tav a sort of self-help Yin and Yang. The reason Gale could ascend and how he could bring Tav into divinity with him is due to the fact that Ao permits it. Its one of my favorite theories and it's one of the reasons that this ending, I think, also suits Gale. It's also a not so uncommon ending for many DND campaigns, where one or more PCs ascend.
I can't tell if this is on purpose or not but the slicing sound effects w/ Tara is talking shit are great :joy: And also sad. Poor cat mom
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You are welcome! ^^
Even as a god, Gale remain being a nerd.
It just occurred to me that Gale will get A LOT of attention from Ao, since he's actually one of the few deities people will defo want to use to ascend to Godhood themselves.
Also, Ao must be so pissed, 3 Gods in camp on a mortal plane, I wouldn't be surprised if he's watching from the bushes :D
5:50 It's hard to call something which successfully leads one to godhood a "mistake."
So... Gale became the gigachad of motivation?
Neat.
Every Larian D&D game from here on our had best let us be Clerics of Gale.
If there'll be a DLC continuation i want it to allow us to punch all that smugness away, cause attaining divinity shouldn't change personality THAT much which means he was like that since very beginning.
I believe it was in him. We all have dark impulses and thoughts we push down with our better nature. In this ending, though, his better nature loses
Godhood is often treated as a madenning lack of consequence that brings forth the worst vices of the individuals who attain it. It's hard to remain righteous when no one can hold you accountable for indulging in your innermost desires.
Gale is at his best when he understands his mortal lot and embraces the limitations and consequences of such an existence.
This draws parallels with Ascended Astarion, who is also granted great powers and his better nature gets crushed under the weight of their might.
He becomes a god and I don't? ... Fuck that, if I can't become a god than no one shall.
Become Absolute, then. Nothing us stopping you.
@@miguelcondadoolivar5149 It's not even remotely the same.
@@subject8776 Of course not, the Absolute is more powerful.
@@miguelcondadoolivar5149 Sure...
Well here is the sad truth. Had Gale settled with just Arch Mage he would have been able to live forever through cloning. He could craft artifacts and establish a wizards tower.
Gods in this version of dnd literally live off of worship.
Gale will be effectively immortal until his first death. At which point the laws of divinity will completely take over.
Should he have no worship after that first death he will stay dead untill his name and portfolio is revered and worshiped.
Gods in dnd don't die die unless they are unfortunate enough to die by a handful of forbidden methods and dark rituals that the gods work very hard to keep out of mortal hands.
If one of the true God killing methods isn't used gods tend to either rest in the grave yard of the gods or if they are a powerful enough God they begin their rebirth immediately.
"I OFFER THEM NOTHING" 😂
I wish xp was so finite,I need a working glitch at this point.
dude is literally Muad'Dib
Hmm so basically if a wizard follows gale mystra will cut them off?
There are deities that Mystra hates far more whose followers can still access the Weave. Mystra keeps the Weave open to
1) avoid becoming a tyrant
2) avoid getting wiped out by the Circle of Greater Powers declaring total sanctions
A wizard follower of Gale could get cut off but it wouldn't be for following Gale. They would have to do something particularly stupid all on their own and likely hazardous to the Weave to earn that sanction.
Gale has a mother.
A living mother.
This wizard was clearly born a sorcerer. They're called greybeards for a reason, Gale. You don't get to be such a powerful wizard at such a young age without magic blood.
@LokiScarletWasHere
it's because he is a prodigy, one who mystra was interested into at a young age.
@@chongwillson972 When you put it that way, that doesn't sound creepy at all 🤡
mortals should not dream of becoming gods, because a mortal never can control the power of a god.
*Morgott has entered the chat*
Deus do Freddie Mercury prateado
Is god gale like actually powerful or is it just slightly better
Is it a mistake? If he’s right is right, he could become a God and honestly I think my character would like that.
Tara is just sad that he pet left her
I need a dark urge love ending where god gale and evil tav kill mystra and take over the universe
So gale became an immortal self-help guru
Next adventure will be to defeat him before he can publish his 100th novel of the day "how to overcome your ex"
Basically Buddha
@@JKUSMC64 .... so a self-help guru
@@dingdring6317 What are you smoking? Buddha isn't immortal nor about "self-improvement".
@@dingdring6317 I've not studied Buddisim, but I think Buddha wouldn't agree with what Gale is doing here. In fact I'm pretty ambition so great it drives someone to seek godhood is very counter to what Buddisim teachs.
It's interesting that all the "Good" endings of the story for all character is Humility.
Tav resists the temptation of the Crown and destroys all the tadpoles.
Gale sacrifices the crown to Mystra or lets it rust.
Asterion resists the temptation of Ascension.
Shadowheart breaks free of Shar and finally lives for herself.
Wyll gives up his nobility to journey with Karlach in Avernus, maybe one day finding a cure with her.
Lae'Zel gives up her Tyrannical ex-god and gets the opportunity to fight for liberation and restoration for her people.
Halsin is Dad.
Minthara is sheep
Jaheira is (bad) Mom
Minsc is Minsc.
@@Emma-se5wm Boo is Boo
I haven't done it, but I'd love to see the epilogue with everyone at their absolute worst because of this comment. 😂
“Yes Gale, you totally became a God by yourself. It certainly wasn’t because you had a team of powerful and talented adventurers, the Emperor who protected you from the Elder Brain, and near direct intervention by Selunè/Shar and Mystra, alongside a number of other people and friends. That would be ridiculous.”
And literally brought you all the artifacts you needed to do so.
What you are suggesting is so farfetched as to be compared to the ramblings of a mumbling lunatic walking the streets like a wretch!
So his major worshippers are from the evil wizard country and the magic Conquistador country? He's off to a great start.
I kinda have to wonder if Ascended!Astarion is interested in becoming his Chosen. Spawn!Astarion was all like "Nope, thanks, I'm fine as I am, don't need more ambition in my life" when Gale approached him to become his follower, but Ascended one would fit Gale's new creed to the T.
Well he’s the god of ambition. And ambition is great for Leaders and shit
Well ambition is a neutral trait to have. His followers will go from the poorest to the richest. It’s human nature to be ambitious, it’s our rise and downfall as a species
Give it time he'll get some heroes on board.
tbf it's also famous for slavery, and he is also the god of humbling start, or so he claims
I love the subtle differences in his voice acting and mannerisms. Tim Downie is so talented.
Honestly, I love that even though this is the route where Gale fails to learn his lesson, his worst possible self is him becoming even more self-aggrandizing but taking up a domain that's Chaotic Neutral at worst - and one that he genuinely seems to believe is a force for good. Even as the God of Ambition, he's just fundamentally too much of a goofy sweetheart to be anything worse than an egotistical jackass.
Truly fitting I would say. Ambition is a chaotic neutral force indeed and humans are probably the scariest races.
Their ambition can save the world or destroy a divine.
An egotistical jackass with divine powers, zealous worshippers and fragile pride can do an unfathomable amount of harm
Though my concern is that as centuries and millennia pass, his outlook and philosophies could change, _possibly_ for the better....but potentially also for the worst. Ambition cuts both ways. It can be a force for good, certainly. ....But it is very often also a source of great evil and suffering, and as God of Ambition, Gale now has dominion over both, and by extension can possibly even become corrupted by the latter. That's the important thing to remember. As a God, Gale is now effectively immortal, and holds dominion over a very.... _fickle_ aspect.
@@gamester512 A perfect example of ambition cutting both ways is in the game itself: Ketheric Thorm. Everything he does is a form of ambition, and had he succeeded all of Faerun would be a literal wasteland. I don't think God Gale would intervene to help someone like that now but like you said, after centuries drift by and he forgets what being mortal was ever like at all. Would his whispers to a struggling artisan turn to encouragement for a future tyrant?
@@dominiklange8382 Seems very fitting for a wizard though. Frankly, I like that Gale can ascend.
Note how Tara doesn't call him "Mr Dekarios". She's calling him GALE. Because who he was no longer exists.
She says Gale, because "Mr Dekarios" is a respectful way to address him. She doesn't respect him anymore.
You can learn it if you play as a Gale origin, and talk to her after Ascension.
@@JoeFxiit Tara is a great character.
Ah yes, let's bring that stupid Ascended Astarion argument to Gale: "They are more powerful now, that means their past self is gone and they are a whole new different people now!" 🤡
Has it ever occurred to you that some people are just very good at hiding their true, negative sides? Is it really that surprising that Gale acts ambitious and ambiguous when he was like that ALL the time? Christ you people.
"One god at this gathering is quite enough"
Funny, because by my count, there are now three.
Withers, Gale and who‘s the third?
@activekiwi1221 the lord of music
@@activekiwi1221 Forget his name, but he's the bard on top of the rock. He's the god of music.
@@jaffarebellion292Milil is his name.
@@jaffarebellion292 oh, okay
Local man gets dumped, starts a podcast
5. [INTIMIDATION] Put these foolish ambitions to rest.
Foul tarnished, in seek of the elden ring. Emboldened by the flame of ambition.
Should be a barbarian only dialogue option 😂
Read this in baezels voice 😂
Tara: No, we're not letting this remain ambiguous. This was a bad end. >: (
how?
@@rollihd714 in general, I don’t think ambition is a personality flaw, but Gale’s ambition is not healthy. At the start of the game, he’s somewhat humbled by the Netherese orb incident, but he still feels somewhat self-important bc he’s such a talented wizard. The problem is that he doesn’t have a lot of self-worth outside of his pride in his abilities, which makes him even more willing to risk everything for power, because he thinks that will finally make him feel whole. Becoming a god reaffirms for him that he was right all along and the normal limits don’t (or at least shouldn’t) apply to him, and the arrogant side of his personality has totally taken over. Here, he doesn’t just think he’s better than other people, he knows it. He talks dismissively about Faerun and the people that he once wanted to help, and his personality is subtly shifting from kind of arrogant but still sweet and genuine to cold and aloof.
I think Tara is a bit biased bc she’s mad that her friend is leaving her, but she’s mainly upset about the personality shift. She thinks that he has let the worst parts of his personality take over, and she’s upset with us for enabling him along the way.
@@rollihd714 this one is more debatable, but I also think that there’s a subtle implication that Gale is going to let his divine powers go to his head and might get put in his place (or just straight up killed) by stronger gods. He’s already doing things that seem extremely unwise to me, like making his partner a god, even though he knows (and explicitly says earlier in the game!) that raising mortals to divinity is supposed to be Ao’s call and not the responsibility of lesser gods. He’s clearly not satisfied with the amount of power he has right now and I think that there’s a very real chance that he’ll lose patience and do something stupid if Ao doesn’t give him what he wants right away.
@@alissapenridge7516 The only way I could honestly see Ao being okay with Gale making a romanced Tav a God/Goddess as well would be if he/she became a God/Goddess that in some way kept Gale in check, such as if Tav become the God/Goddess of say, Temperance. That way, Tav & Gale would play off of each other while also keeping each other from going too far or overstepping their boundaries. And even then, even if Ao was okay with it, it's likely that quite a few other Gods would not be thrilled about *_TWO_* new upstart Gods joining the existing pantheon.
@alissapenridge7516 I definitely do think Gale is underestimating Ao. Ao is above gods, Ao knows the moment Gale attempts to make his partner into a god and allows it for gods can only accend if Ao allows it.
I have an urge to pet Tara so bad... But I know it would be rude.
There is a way, but Gale needs to be dead for it 😢
@@ngmeylan there are some sacrifices I am willing to make 😂
@ngmeylan or you literally need to be Gale in an origin playthrough
Honestly the dialogue "I think it's the end, of the Gale I knew at least" seems to be pretty true... Though ambition doesn't come without ego.
Fed that motherfucker so many god damn magic items and now he repays me by becoming a dickhead god.
why did you let him become a god
To be fair, if you fed me 100 magic items I'd become a god, too.
I AM GALE! GOD OF THE EXPOSED NIPPLE!
Lmaoo
Honestly becoming a god isn't that hard in dnd. Teaching a mimic proper english, now that's a pain.
To be fair, we all think this is the "evil" ending because we know Gale is different and we love Gale as a man. We also know that he has a great amount of ambition that we can either encourage or turn his gaze to more humble ideals. However, the gods in Faerun offer different boons to their followers whether tangible or not. Ambition is not necessarily a terrible thing to encourage. As Gale says, there are a lot of people who may be lost in poverty, sorrow, hopelessness that may feel that they "cant" do something. Despite his attitude, he isn't wrong. His story may encourage a lot of people to follow in his footsteps and develop the ambition to do something great with their life. That could be anything from having ambitions of wealth, power, or political means, or it could mean the ambition to start a family, raise children, or start a business. I don't think I would chose this route for Gale personally, but I don't think that it's all that bad to be honest. *WE* lose Gale as we know him and that is sad, but a lot of people gain a god that may give them hope for their future.
I think the main issue with it is that many characters like Tara are fully aware that most of the gods of Faerun and beyond are inevitably self-serving, arrogant beings. Yeah, many of them are symbols of truly good things and do try to help their followers to the best they're allowed...but the nature of being a god means that mortals are pawns to you. Beloved pawns, but pawns all the same.
God-Gale has good intentions for the most part...but he chose to look at his mortality, his life as actual Gale, as the low. Nothing more than proof of his ambition and that he was deserving of godhood simply because he was ambitious enough to achieve it. He looks down on you for doing *anything* but 100% agreeing with what he did and what he's become. Worst part is that he isn't even angry, he *pities* you for being too stupid to get it.
He went from the self-deprecating, flawed person who wanted to make up for his failures to an immortal being who openly flaunts and rejoices in them. Mystra was an asshole and manipulated Gale to the extreme, but Gale just decided to become like her.
Gale becomes a god for selfish reasons though. He is just lying to himself that it was for the right reasons. The problem with ambitious gods is that they will eventually fight the others.
@empirednw6624 I don't disagree. I do believe that God Gale is the lesser version of Gale because he IS selfish and egotistical despite believing he is better that way. But there are many God's in Faerun, and even though objectively most to all of them are selfish and self serving, just as Gale is likely to turn out to be, they still exist and people still follow them faithfully. Regardless of whether you agree with a person's faith or not, following their God gives them purpose. That purpose may be good or bad. Gale offers the idea of Ambition to his followers, and that ambition gives them purpose. WE don't like God Gale because we know he is worse, but to many who chose to follow him, he IS a symbol of hope. So the point stands, despite the fact that we personally know Gale is a worse person, there are still some positives to the God Gale outcome, but only really for his faithful.
This makes me glad we insisted on him giving the damned crown back to Mystra. Whatever this thing is, it's not Gale anymore.
And then in the dlc Ao smites the shit out of Gale
Remember everyone.... Trust in your cat.... They know everything better than you..
Cat. Dog. owlbear. Ill trust em all before I trust a humanoid.
Can't wait to play Ambition Cleric in Bg4
😂
karsus 2, gods 0
I don't think it's that bad of an ending. He may be more arrogant than ever but wouldn't you be if you, a mere mortal nobody, became God? I think I would. Besides, ambition is not an evil thing to have as your domain.
Dude needs a god HR manager or maybe a good Marketing Manager
Heh. The God of Wasting Valuable Loot
He doesn't seem that bad honestly? He's a bit full of himself but that's about it.
Gale becoming a God is pretty sick. I've romanced him as a little Duergar dwarf bard and when I found out what the Duergar are actually like ascending him to godhood and him making me a goddess is kinda like becoming a second God to the Duergar that want to abandon cruelty. Idk if Seldarine is an underdark thing or only a drow thing but seldarine like duergar having a God to swear fealty to is pretty neat.
seldarine is an elven thing, and seldarine drow is really just a descriptor for drow who dont worship lolth, with lolth being part of whats considered the dark seldarine (even tho its not a separate pantheon iirc). idk if theres a similar term for duergars but i do love the idea of becoming a good god for bad races, like for my tav who romanced gale i feel like she would be the goddess of drow havens/sanctuary for seldarine drows if gale became a god
@azzindril813 Yeah I'm not super well versed in DnD. Seldarine to me sounded like a colloquial term for Drow exiles and the like since Elves generally worship myriad gods.
@loserinasuit7880 I feel that, i only got into dnd a lil bit before bg3 released lol so i dont know too much either, i only really learned this info bc i hyperfixate on lore and oc backstories lol, seldarine is what the elven pantheon is called, but i get your confusion 100% bc the term is kinda confusing, and also not really an actual category in actual dnd lore, like ive tried searching up stuff for seldarine drow but its really only a bg3 term
@azzindril813 Yeah, the Duergar just kill or torture their social outcasts until they leave or die. They're like if Drow subterfuge was replaced with outright cruelty. The dagger goes into your chest rather than your bacm.
Basically he turned into the Tzeentch (Warhammer) of Forgotten Realms.
These epilogue dialogues are pearls of wisdom and inspiration we so often hear in movies yet so often forget in our daily lives.
I love Tara 😍
She the best!
On an unrelated note. Ambition is THE strongest drive in people. A god of ambition would probably have more followers than any other individual god.
@sygmarvexarion7891
not more than Chauntea goddess of life and bounty.
I love how Withers snatches up the god of songs and makes him play at our camp. It feels so good knowing you have a literal god forced to play, just for the entertainment of your party. I deserved that.
lol i had no idea who that bard was
glad i passed the manipulation check to act as if i knew him, he deserves it
"you wont let us level to 13 but you let him become a god" "I have to keep you at 12 or you will become too powerful. the complete removal of attunement slots and adding tons of homebrew magic items seemed like a good idea at a time."
@tonsu646
yeah, monks actually have GOOD items.
Tara wasn't there for my party...I wonder why
Honestly, I like that this ending exists, even if it's a bad one. Like, yeah, we have canon confirmation that Gale's skilled enough to ascend. We don't necessarily need to get the ending, y'know?
Gale, lvl 8, 628 Health, "God" of Ambition
I'm used to cats being disappointed but it hits differently when they can talk. Bad Gale.
i like this ending for gale. ambition is good.
It’s more of a neutral ending imo. Ambition isn’t necessarily a good or bad thing to have, and in this ending gale has the poor to help those who come from poor backgrounds rise in status, but in becoming a god he somewhat loses who he once was, and being the literal god of ambition will make other gods weary of him, since I doubt they’d be comfortable with a another god gaining more power than them.
@@Chadius_Thundercock in forgotten realms, i think, gods have a little bit of space for interpretation of their domains so their personality can fit in.
also wish gale had become a god at lvl 20. would have been better.
Your Tav gives off big Targaryen energy
In Gale's position I would be much more humble with tav. In one of my playthroughes I defeated Sarevok (with level 16 when tav was level 11) one on one not using Bhaal's chosen form. And in D&D at levels 17-20 you can slay greater gods in their true form.
And Gale can't even reborn as was shown in his fight against Mystra.
Also Minthara was right, only as a god Gale can be equal to her (she defeated Raphael in 7 turns).
Cant wait for BG4 where I have to do a humiliating quest for Gales favor
So how many hit points does God Gale have? Asking for a fiend.
hit em
find out
So he's just Gale, but Gale-r
I dont like how anyone is talking crap about Galen. I mean ambition can be evil but it can be of great good. I'd be happy for him. He not only turned the destructive Karsis weave into something good but he isn't a dick like mystra.
I wanna play an arcana cleric of Gale
Gale can become a god, but CHARNAME gets screwed over and became Abdel...
Love Tara :D
With ambition, anything is possible. But most of it is just really stupid ideas.
Gale could use a trip to a plastic surgeon for breast reduction.
WTH! I didn't get this ending!
I encouraged Gale to take the Crown and all he said was he'll have to dive down and get the crown later.. then I got the end credits.
How do you trigger this ending?
You finished the game recently? This is the new epilogue from patch 5.
The other gods will laugh at him for eternity
I grant them nothing. I’m the god of good advice
Hmmmm, God of Ambition, you say? I think I heard that title before, likely from someone who kill a god and destroy the empire, hmmmm, using the inaccessible spell slot too, hmmmm, I think his name start with letter K
Morgott triggered
Based Gale. Dunks on Mystra as she deserves and is making Karsus proud from his prison cell in Hell probably.
So he’s not dead he can become a god now
"Look at me now, I'm their proof."
So he basically became a tech bro who sells courses lol
"One god at this party is quite enough"
There's 3, actualy
So weird how similar it is to three other gods...
Hmmmm maybe ask Withers
Can i ask how you gkt this ending
Encourge him to go against Mystra and reforge the Crown.
Damn it. Larian have us chastise by a cat, again!
WE WANT MORE!
Can you kill him after he becomes god
Lol thay and amn,congratulations…
no fair!! he dies if you play as him and try to become a god
I wish Gale behaved differently in manners when he becomes a god. More unworldly so to speak. This one is just that "Gale once again".
It’s good to see that he’s still him, having him speak as if he were holier than thou would’ve made it seem like a bad ending
He does speak slightly differently, even if he is fundamentally the same person
@@bruhed1117He only just became a god, give it time and eventually ambition will weed out what little was left of the man that was named Gale.
@@sepher9 then he’d be better off dead
@@sepher9 Well, he did say that remembering one's humble origins is central to his doctrine(at least that's what I understood). Maybe he won't be swalowed by his own hubris, at least I hope so...
How do you get that skin?
I can't believe Gale dies in this ending ;_;
How do you get this ending for gale
Don't romance him, do his quest and encourage him (after Netherbrain fight) to become a God.
@@Northalix you can romance him, though, there is even a separate ending for MC that romanced Gale, he takes them to Elysium with him.
@@sunnyhill7919 I think the romanced god Gale ending is better as Tav is there to keep him “grounded” and not having him become a twat (someone said “Gale is the god of ambition but Tav is the god of fulfilment for him”). From what I’ve seen Tara even approves of god Gale if he has Tav by his side 🤔
@@elenalizabeth yeah, as long as Ao actually approves of Tav becoming a god/dess. Alternatively, if you are playing a rebellious Durge, Ao is really mad at your dad right now, so I wouldn't be surprised if he goes "OK, kid, your dad screwed up, be a god/dess of murder instead". That's pretty much how Ao assigned the domains last time. Bet Gale didn't exactly expect to be dating a god/dess of murder, but hey, a divinity is a divinity!
To Gale, bearer of the reforged Crown of Karsus, I would speak words of both caution and kinship. "Ambition, once my undoing, now flows through your veins. Navigate the realms with wisdom, for the path of godhood is laden with trials. May the echoes of your choices resonate in the annals of magic, rewriting the narrative of power. As you wield what was once my crown, may your ambitions shape a legacy that transcends the failures of the past."
Let's give ideas for an updated card
My own idea Gale, Ambition incarnate W B U X
Legendary Creature -- God Wizard
Vanishing 3
Whenever a time counter is removed, you may play a permanent card from your hand or, your graveyard with converted mana cost lesser than X without paying its costs. Upon Gale dealing combat damage, X is to be considered to have been doubled "until end of turn" (not sure about the " " part)
5/5
the vanishing is both a reference to the volatile nature of ambition and how he intends to mostly be felt by his followers. The time counter ability reflects ambition by how it can leave you in a lesser state (and does tend to do so at first as you normally wouldn't be able to attack with him at first) or grander than before should you get a "hit" on what you want. Also since blue tends to be rife with proliferate (which I believe would add time counters) it represents that struggle to get up and keep up after your ambitions to keep gale on the battlefield. What might you think of for him?
I dno, I think he's got the right idea.