Another interrogator was quoted as saying, "Torture does not save lives. Our enemies use it as a recruiting tool. Foreign fighters came to Iraq because of torture and abuse and cost us hundreds if not thousands of American lives." Suspects are captured and detained indefinitely without ever being convicted or even charged with a crime. As if it's not bad enough that it happens to foreigners, it could also happen to American citizens. In fact, the Obama Administration has taken things further.
My main point is that this is not a simple issue. As far as I can see, it does no good to name-call or label those we disagree with. The TV-induced mentality of "liberals" vs "conservatives" is what really sucks. The world is not a cable news split-screen.
You have to understand that 'enhanced interrogation' does not just include water boarding. Detainees have been hung upside down, beaten, drenched in water and left outside to freeze, among other things. These practices have led to the deaths of over 100 detainees, nearly all convicted of NO crime, so this notion that "they're terrorists, they deserve it" really isn't well founded.
As for effectiveness, if you listen to interrogators' accounts instead of just politicians', there are cases where torture caused suspects to stop cooperating. For example, the Bush Administration and some members of the media used bin Laden associate Abu Zubayda's case as a success story, even though Ali Soufan, one of his interrogators, says Zubayda gave up all useful information before the harsh techniques began, and ceased to do so once they did.
@Mr91Nissan240sx, KSM was not giving in to any type of interrogation and it took over 100 times to break him with waterboarding, and once he was finally broken it is well documented by Nat Geo and the History Channel that he sang like a bird, and we foiled at least 2 attacks from the information gained. One of which was the plot on the Library Towers in LA. Yes, dumping water down his nose to give him the "sensation" that he is drowning was the proper and RIGHT thing to do.
He was a wanted criminal and tried to resist with deadly force. Waterboarding they are taking helpless prisoners and subjecting them to torture for information that can eventualy just be forced out of them whether its true or not. Your presentation of this is hysterical in that your purposely fish out whatever confliction you can to manipulate it to your own supportive needs of a foolish view point.
Another interrogator was quoted as saying, "Torture does not save lives. Our enemies use it as a recruiting tool. Foreign fighters came to Iraq because of torture and abuse and cost us hundreds if not thousands of American lives."
Suspects are captured and detained indefinitely without ever being convicted or even charged with a crime. As if it's not bad enough that it happens to foreigners, it could also happen to American citizens. In fact, the Obama Administration has taken things further.
My main point is that this is not a simple issue. As far as I can see, it does no good to name-call or label those we disagree with. The TV-induced mentality of "liberals" vs "conservatives" is what really sucks. The world is not a cable news split-screen.
You have to understand that 'enhanced interrogation' does not just include water boarding. Detainees have been hung upside down, beaten, drenched in water and left outside to freeze, among other things. These practices have led to the deaths of over 100 detainees, nearly all convicted of NO crime, so this notion that "they're terrorists, they deserve it" really isn't well founded.
spfccsmft :Wow! I think you're right. Thank you for finally identifying the book I rad so many years ago. TY, TY, TY!
As for effectiveness, if you listen to interrogators' accounts instead of just politicians', there are cases where torture caused suspects to stop cooperating. For example, the Bush Administration and some members of the media used bin Laden associate Abu Zubayda's case as a success story, even though Ali Soufan, one of his interrogators, says Zubayda gave up all useful information before the harsh techniques began, and ceased to do so once they did.
@Mr91Nissan240sx, KSM was not giving in to any type of interrogation and it took over 100 times to break him with waterboarding, and once he was finally broken it is well documented by Nat Geo and the History Channel that he sang like a bird, and we foiled at least 2 attacks from the information gained. One of which was the plot on the Library Towers in LA. Yes, dumping water down his nose to give him the "sensation" that he is drowning was the proper and RIGHT thing to do.
He was a wanted criminal and tried to resist with deadly force. Waterboarding they are taking helpless prisoners and subjecting them to torture for information that can eventualy just be forced out of them whether its true or not. Your presentation of this is hysterical in that your purposely fish out whatever confliction you can to manipulate it to your own supportive needs of a foolish view point.
I think the book you read once is called Three Tales of My Father's Dragon.
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@minnesotastategop have you watched John Perkins Confessions of an economic hitman. worth a watch, made me look at things from a different angle.