Standard Deviation and Standard Error of the Mean

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  • This video describes the differences between standard deviation and the standard error of the mean, and how they can be used to interpret data when the values are plotted as error bars on a graph.

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  • @his198
    @his198 7 років тому +70

    Thank you very much for this video! I can't imagine a more clear explanation

    • @PiersSupport
      @PiersSupport  7 років тому +6

      Thanks Lena, I am glad you found it helpful!

    • @deeplearning2552
      @deeplearning2552 6 років тому +1

      Kevin Piers what I don't understand is where does the number 6.33 at 4:18 come from?
      Standard deviation of a list of red-colored numbers (averages from 12 experiments with Jack, on 3:40), that is of [100, 101, 99, 114, 103, 101, 95, 99, 95, 105, 100, 93], is not 6.33 but 5.25. I've checked with Python with numpy, by hand, and using online SD calculators. All give population SD as 5.25 and sample SD as 5.48.

    • @Tyokok
      @Tyokok 6 років тому

      same calc results. asking too.

    • @KandMwedding
      @KandMwedding 6 років тому +1

      it's because he has messed up a lot in this video. the s.d. of the first 5 trials listed for jack is 14.14 (not "16" as he claims later). and the SEM of *that* set is 6.32. so i assume that's what he was referring to with "6.33." ..as for the rest of the video, it's also not a very good explanation of a simple concept: i.e. that you can have quite variable data (say flipping a coin and calling heads "0" and tails "1") which could have a large s.d. no matter how many times you measure it (for the coin example it will approach 0.5 as the number of random flips grows), but nevertheless the uncertainty in the mean itself (represented by the SEM) will tend toward zero as you make more and more measurements, irrespective of how noisy those data are.
      the video could've used a better example (for instance, a person running anywhere is not a good example of independent data, as there could be trends in either direction -- faster or slower -- depending on the time between trials; thus these data are not even appropriately lumped together like this) and as you point out, he could've at least double checked his math before posting.

    • @winvictorywin5612
      @winvictorywin5612 4 роки тому

      Piers Support
      Hello sir,
      I am having airborne dust concentrations data as PM10, PM2.5, PM 1 .
      These data was taken before and during dust producing work in a civil construction site.
      N=5
      How can i compare these before and during operations data ?
      It seems that there is percent variation in dust concentrations in atmosphere between before and during operation data based on particle size.
      Before operation:
      PM 10 ( particle size less than 10 microns) is sharing 40% of total airborne dust, and PM 2.5 ( particle size less than 2. 5 micron) shares 10% of total airborne dust.
      During machine operation:
      PM 10 shares 60% and PM 2.5 10% only.
      It seems that PM 10 share is increased due to that machine operation?
      Which test is suitable for analysing these type similar data for discussion ?
      How to use statistics?
      Any comparison among these particle sizes?
      thank u.

  • @davidrosen5137
    @davidrosen5137 4 роки тому +19

    Four semesters of graduate level statistics, and you accomplished in 10 minutes what four different profs failed to accomplish at all. Thank you!

  • @THE______TRUTH
    @THE______TRUTH 7 років тому +13

    idk why but I laughed at the example of examining the data of Jack and jill who ran up the hill.

  • @katomoon6170
    @katomoon6170 2 роки тому +5

    No better explanation than this one. Can't thank you enough Dr. Piers. You're an exceptional instructor with the ability to clearly, precisely and simply explain very complex statistics topics. God bless you. Much appreciation from Uganda - East Africa.

  • @quintonwilson8565
    @quintonwilson8565 5 років тому +9

    This is thee single best video on this subject on YT, thank you Dr. Piers.

  • @argytzak
    @argytzak 5 років тому +2

    I used R to calculate the standard deviation of the averages and got 5.484828 (instead of 6.33 that you show). Note that the sd() function is R uses denominator n - 1. Why the difference?

  • @MDMAx
    @MDMAx 2 роки тому

    Thank you for the clear explanation!

  • @jamesrobertson9149
    @jamesrobertson9149 7 років тому +19

    This is a brilliant video because it makes clear what the SEM is. first class! thanks.

  • @ozgekrklk4718
    @ozgekrklk4718 4 роки тому

    he is explaining very well , thank you

  • @VikrantDuttChaudhary
    @VikrantDuttChaudhary 4 роки тому +1

    The Mean of the 12 means = 100.42 and SD = 5.48.
    The SEM = SD/ sqrt(12) = 1.58, not 6.33?

  • @jeranrai3488
    @jeranrai3488 3 роки тому +1

    please help me, really dont know how and where to take in the class for Applied Data Science Module that i was accepted from, when i login the worldquant university portal than it only prompts for the Master degree registration

  • @benlee3545
    @benlee3545 7 років тому +2

    Hi Kelvin, are you able to show how you calculate SEM=6.33? I tried to compute but my answer is about 5.5.

    • @PiersSupport
      @PiersSupport  7 років тому +1

      HI Ben. By golly it appears you are right. I put the values into the spreadsheet and got 5.48. Thanks for picking this up and sorry for any confusion!

    • @benlee3545
      @benlee3545 7 років тому +1

      Thank you very much. This video is really friendly even for beginner who knows nothing. You really know understand the beginner difficulty. Thumbs up for you. :]

    • @danielpavon9623
      @danielpavon9623 5 років тому +1

      THANK GOD SOMEONE ASKED THIS, I was going crazy. I too copied the averages of those 12 trials into Excel, calculated STDEV.S and got 5.48.

  • @futurefee1444
    @futurefee1444 Рік тому +1

    Excellent breakdown, thank you for your service.

  • @jungyang865
    @jungyang865 5 років тому +2

    the standard deviation of the 12 sample means is not 6.33. it is 5.48.

  • @p_mouse8676
    @p_mouse8676 Рік тому +1

    I always explain it this way to students. SD is a measure of how big the spread is between samples. SEM is a measure how exact we know the average (or mean). It starts to get interesting when SD is relatively big. At that point one could argue how valid the test actually was. Because it's perfectly possible that the SD is very big (individual samples are widely spread) but SEM is quite small at the same time.

  • @jessicafb5398
    @jessicafb5398 4 роки тому +2

    Thank you for explaining this concept so clearly and with great humor. Very helpful and enjoyable!

  • @MrEndocytosis
    @MrEndocytosis 8 років тому +3

    Nice video thanks! Would you say in general that when a single person does the same test repeated times (person running a mile 5 times) you should show SEM but when you have a group of people that do the same test such as a team running a mile, then you show the SD?

  • @jafarelmetioui6338
    @jafarelmetioui6338 3 роки тому +1

    Most confusing video in my life

  • @emmayu1847
    @emmayu1847 7 років тому +2

    This is the best statistics video I have seen. Such clear explanation and great presentation. Thank you!

  • @ramesherrabolu1590
    @ramesherrabolu1590 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the presentation on Std.Error of Mean. I calculated std.dev of the sample means and it came out to be 5.25. You noted SEM as 6.33, wondering wherefrom it came. Could you clarify

  • @A_Box
    @A_Box 4 роки тому +1

    Hello. I was attempting to double check your work at 4:22 and I happen to find different results. Using Excel, the sample standard deviation for the set of averages is 5.483 and the population sample deviation is 5.250. Is this indeed a mistake or am I missing something?

  • @josephinetityiwe4434
    @josephinetityiwe4434 6 років тому +2

    Thank you very much for enhancing my understanding of SD and SEM.

  • @gracepancalstatela4422
    @gracepancalstatela4422 4 роки тому +1

    How do you get 6.33? I got 5.25

  • @Tyokok
    @Tyokok 6 років тому +1

    Great video for SEM concept. Liked and subed. However, a question. SEM=SD/sqrt(n), here SD is directly from one sample set data? shouldn't it be the real statistic SD?

  • @RobvanMechelen
    @RobvanMechelen 4 роки тому +12

    Excellent explanation! my compliments. However when you mentioned Jacks 12 trials,
    The Mean of the 12 means = 100.20 and SD = 5.48.
    The SEM = SD/ sqrt(12) = 1.58, whereas you mention 6.33

    • @matthewx2105
      @matthewx2105 3 роки тому

      That's ture, my final result is 5.48 as well. I'm quite confused about 6.33...

    • @Alex-fk3ni
      @Alex-fk3ni 2 роки тому

      "The Mean of the 12 means = 100.20" - where did you get this number? The mean of 12 means is 100.42

    • @zhongdasun8772
      @zhongdasun8772 2 роки тому

      the SEM is just the calculation of the STD of the mean of that 12 numbers, which means you do not have to /sqrt12.
      so the SEM is 5.48 as Mattew mentioned below.

    • @zhongdasun8772
      @zhongdasun8772 2 роки тому

      @@matthewx2105you are correct

    • @RobvanMechelen
      @RobvanMechelen 2 роки тому

      @@zhongdasun8772 Thanks

  • @Ferenczi69Aron
    @Ferenczi69Aron 5 років тому +1

    I appreciate the simplicity of the explanation, but how is it that when I calculate stdev of the averages in red (from 3:50) using Excel's function STDEV.S, I get 5.48 and not 6.33?

    • @sexyaki704
      @sexyaki704 5 років тому

      Ferenczi69Aron try STDEV.P

  • @mindyn833
    @mindyn833 3 роки тому +2

    is there a transcript for this video?

  • @tamask
    @tamask 2 роки тому

    Ok, so in the last part of the video you show that there is no difference between the two populations. Then you collect som more samples, and show that there is a difference between the two populations. So the question becomes how many samples to collect. How to know that?

  • @JCResDoc94
    @JCResDoc94 4 роки тому +1

    6:00 it's never been shown. it is one of those _"if drawn to infinity, and presuming no duel counting - or closer to infinity to compensate, all states are accounted for"_ . it is just an assumption, that cheats by adding infinity. Like adding time travel to a film.

    • @yanggang4352
      @yanggang4352 4 роки тому +2

      it's been shown by calculating the integral! The area under the graph within 1 SD makes up about 68% of the total area

  • @pig_samurai
    @pig_samurai 6 років тому +2

    You are my angel~ Mr. Kevin thank you!

  • @reconshunter
    @reconshunter Рік тому

    Im confused. When I calculate the SD at 4:25 I get ~5.47. I‘m adding them all up and divide by 12 to get the mean. Then subtract that mean from each value, square it and add it up, dividing the result by 11 and take the square root of that. What am I doing wrong? Excel gives me the same result, far from 6.33.

  • @baransakallioglu
    @baransakallioglu 3 роки тому

    In calculations, everything seems to be rounded.
    For example 5:15 actual stdev is 15.81 but rounded up to 16.
    16 / sqrt(5) = 7.155417527999327 and rounded up to 7.16 etc.

  • @Justice_King
    @Justice_King Рік тому

    In the example of Jack, can we precisely say the exact value of mean or only say the true mean will be between 68 and 100? Thanks a lot Sir.

  • @akshu251
    @akshu251 5 років тому +1

    Sad that I watched it too late. But as it is said, better late than never. Amazing video. Now, I will never forget the difference. Thank you.

    • @912sonic
      @912sonic 5 років тому

      I'm glad I found this too. Better late then never honestly

  • @lensmaticoptical4083
    @lensmaticoptical4083 5 років тому +1

    Thank You Sir. It is a best explanation ever i have seen on this topic. Amazing... God bless you.

  • @itssmsn91
    @itssmsn91 5 років тому +1

    Thanks for the video with such a nice explanation :)

  • @markelizondo1700
    @markelizondo1700 2 роки тому

    I didn't understand how you calculated Jack's average time samples around the 8 min mark.

  • @joenyc
    @joenyc 4 роки тому +1

    holy shit thank you for this explanation. it all makes sense now!

  • @HopeLopez-w4d
    @HopeLopez-w4d 10 місяців тому

    GRACIAS!!!! Well done! Clearly and cleverly stated.:)

  • @michellexhg6077
    @michellexhg6077 10 місяців тому

    finally the video that answered all my questions! good job and thank you 💪🏼

  • @cicinindivin3689
    @cicinindivin3689 2 роки тому

    ±2 SE is 95% only for infinite measurements, if not is ± t student (2 tails) for n-1 observations/items

  • @nalinmedagoda6879
    @nalinmedagoda6879 3 місяці тому

    How did you take 6.33 value. Isnt it 1.58...

  • @chitritaghosh4279
    @chitritaghosh4279 7 років тому +4

    Thank you very much for the video. I am a medical student. I needed a understanding of the difference between SD & SEM for community medicine. Your video helped me a lot...

  • @longjamboris1041
    @longjamboris1041 3 роки тому

    very helpful video. thanks again

  • @jamesk9671
    @jamesk9671 5 років тому

    Am I missing something? I think he's wrong.
    90+80+100+120+110 = 500
    500 / 5 = 100
    Thus 100 is the mean.
    (90-100)2 = (-10)2 = 100
    (80-100)2 = (-20)2 = 400
    (100-100)2 = (0)2 = 0
    (120-100)2 = (20)2 = 400
    (110-100)2 = (10)2 = 100
    100 + 400 + 0 + 400 + 100 = 1000
    1000 / 5 = 200
    √200 = 14.14
    How did the professor come to the conclusion that the Standard Deviation is 16?

    • @ahmed_shawa
      @ahmed_shawa 4 роки тому

      From what I recently learned, that when we calculate SD we divide the SUM of Squares by the degrees of freedom (DF) rather than the sample size. DF should be equal to (n - 1) where n is the sample size. In that case we divide 1000/4 and take the square root which should be 15.8113883008419. By rounding off this number the result should be 16.

  • @besmile2257
    @besmile2257 2 роки тому

    Great video! So whatvshould we plot SD or SEM.

  • @piupiu2113
    @piupiu2113 6 років тому

    Read the definition of «standard error» in radiotherapydictionary.blogspot.pt/2016/11/standard-error-se.html

  • @disha3558
    @disha3558 Рік тому

    I would have topped in maths if I had found you sooner. 😅

  • @wadigkin95
    @wadigkin95 Рік тому

    9:37 will these also be the same as the hypotheses testing using softwares like SPSS

  • @darcyofarrell4824
    @darcyofarrell4824 4 роки тому

    Here is how you can see that 68% percent of values lie within +/- 1 standard deviation of the mean, etc.
    1. note that the normal distribution is a probability density function
    2. note that the indefinite integral of a probability density function is 1
    3. now consider what the value would be if you took the definite integral from -1SD to +1SD - it would be (about) 68%.

  • @altafalinaushad6368
    @altafalinaushad6368 6 років тому +1

    SANTA MARIA!!! You saved my life!

  • @drnaveenkumarsubramani5439
    @drnaveenkumarsubramani5439 6 років тому

    Tq very much..this is awesome video..helped so much
    Would u teach us tests of significance..please
    (Standard error of "mean , proportion , mean difference , proportion difference")
    Thanks in advance

  • @joshbridges4719
    @joshbridges4719 6 років тому +1

    Thanks for the video. It was extremely helpful! My only question concerns the interpretation of the two graphs at the end of the video where they either completely overlap or don't overlap at all. You stated this means there is either no difference between the two populations or there is a difference. Could you clarify this point? Does it suggest that (in the first graph), it doesn't make a difference whether you watch the videos or not whereas with the last graph, there is an impact, on say, a student's grade?

    • @PiersSupport
      @PiersSupport  6 років тому

      That is certainly a good summary of the graphs as far as I understand it. There are probably more nuanced interpretations, but that is a good working model. Cheers.

    • @joshbridges4719
      @joshbridges4719 6 років тому

      Kevin Piers Thank you for your response. It helps clear up some things.

  • @cbrewster10390
    @cbrewster10390 5 років тому

    THANK YOU. I have consulted 10+ sources trying to figure out the difference and was beginning to feel like a complete idiot until you.

  • @harikishanbusa4714
    @harikishanbusa4714 2 роки тому

    Best explanation! much thanks.

  • @dinglixi5179
    @dinglixi5179 4 роки тому +1

    This solves my question which bothers me for so long. Thank you so much!

  • @luisborgesjr
    @luisborgesjr 5 років тому +1

    This man really knows his stuff!

  • @sarahbronte3043
    @sarahbronte3043 7 років тому +3

    that's is really a simple access to the two complex concepts, thanks, that's really helpful for the psychology student without a math background to understand. you really knows what we are confusing in each steps.

  • @ramzyhedia1277
    @ramzyhedia1277 Рік тому

    Thank you very much for taking the time and effort to prepare this is a really very interesting and useful video. God bless you

  • @anirudhsood2006
    @anirudhsood2006 2 роки тому

    Thank you so much for the video.

  • @manikant1990
    @manikant1990 Рік тому

    Excellently explained, please make more videos of these sort in statistics and any other topic. :) Great job again!!

  • @brookesullivan6663
    @brookesullivan6663 4 роки тому

    This was such a helpful video thank u so much

  • @jonelabutyte6617
    @jonelabutyte6617 2 роки тому

    very good and quick refresher of SD and SEM evaluations❤ Thank you!!!

  • @dikshitkapil4686
    @dikshitkapil4686 5 років тому

    Sir i have a question the SEM we calculated is the standard deviation of the sample means right if we were to take multiple samples: So why do apply it lastly to the sample mean , in the video at 7:55 u applied that SEM to the sample mean while it should have been applied to the mean of the sample means. Can Someone please explain?

  • @shannonvandyk608
    @shannonvandyk608 2 роки тому

    “Inception like qualities”🤣

  • @yaswanthbangaru9116
    @yaswanthbangaru9116 4 роки тому

    An Incredible way to put it!

  • @Yourmomma568
    @Yourmomma568 3 роки тому

    so, sem is useful because it represents less influence from outliers?

  • @nicholaskatto
    @nicholaskatto 8 місяців тому

    thank you professor God bless you

  • @ayabulelamkutswana2110
    @ayabulelamkutswana2110 Рік тому

    watching this and I have a submission in two days, really helped thank you Doc!

  • @neerajrokaya1132
    @neerajrokaya1132 Рік тому

    subscribed just after seeing this video..cant explain how aewsome this explanation is

  • @Shabbir2749
    @Shabbir2749 3 роки тому

    Thanks sir it's very help full

  • @soknya
    @soknya Рік тому

    I need to watch it twice to confirm my understanding. Thank you for a clear explanation

  • @dzb33
    @dzb33 7 років тому +2

    I know Dr. Piers says he doesn't care about how we know that 95% of the probability lies within 2 SDs of the mean in a normal distribution, but it's actually really simple. Take an integral from -2 SD to 2 SD of a normal (or Gaussian) distribution. Anyone who's worked with probability distribution functions should be familiar with doing things like this, since you integrate the probability distribution function to calculate probabilities (indeed that's what we're doing here) or cumulative distribution functions.

  • @movement9192
    @movement9192 3 роки тому

    Excellent explanations of sd and adm

  • @subramaniank6360
    @subramaniank6360 3 роки тому

    Clear explanation of standard error mean

  • @ritachaudhary5780
    @ritachaudhary5780 4 роки тому

    Thank you!
    Well explained

  • @andrewlukkuz369
    @andrewlukkuz369 4 роки тому

    Thank you for making this video, I have a chem quiz on this and for some reason I couldn't wrap my head around the subject, your video helps alot bro.

  • @cindybokish1534
    @cindybokish1534 2 роки тому

    Thank you! Appreciate you taking time to explain. I cannot say how much this helped me.

  • @fastmela.com.2420
    @fastmela.com.2420 7 років тому

    So helpful video! Thank you Kevin Piers!! ((Wow =your failure is Statistically significant!!!)

  • @genevieveperdue8019
    @genevieveperdue8019 7 років тому +4

    Thank you so much, this is a wonderful tutorial. I am a TA for a data analysis course and was having the hardest time figuring out how to emphasize the difference between SD and SEM. You did it very clearly and simply!! You just saved my students from a very confusing lab explanation :)

    • @PiersSupport
      @PiersSupport  7 років тому +1

      Thanks for the positive comment Genevieve! I'm glad you found it helpful.

  • @chisommiriamnzekwe7587
    @chisommiriamnzekwe7587 4 роки тому

    Thanks for the video! I have the mean difference of two data sets, how do I calculate the standard deviation of the mean differences, please?

  • @minutetolearnit8449
    @minutetolearnit8449 Рік тому

    You are a legend sir 🙏

  • @dheerajvarapana1124
    @dheerajvarapana1124 2 роки тому

    Fantastic explanation. Thanks a lot for your time and help.

  • @KostasGiotis
    @KostasGiotis 3 роки тому

    Great video!

  • @jack_corvinus
    @jack_corvinus 8 років тому

    If your students do not understand the video well, it's only going to be because you didn't use your golden catchphrase:
    H E R E ' S
    T H E
    K I C K E R
    Also, would you say that the way students are attentively drawn to these videos can be described as positive phototaxis?

  • @logjonbudha137
    @logjonbudha137 7 років тому

    This video is most important for the understand of S.D.& S.E
    .Thnku so mush sir!!

  • @aceplusplusplus7652
    @aceplusplusplus7652 3 роки тому

    Thank you Dr Piers!

  • @Selorm4christ
    @Selorm4christ 4 роки тому

    Thanks very much. This info is statistically a life challenger.

  • @yasminfatima5948
    @yasminfatima5948 4 роки тому

    For 4:45 I spent nearly a week trying to get the explanation as to why the formula is different

  • @amosbako3981
    @amosbako3981 2 роки тому

    Thank you for this video, it's a must-watch for statistic student

  • @ammarparmr
    @ammarparmr Рік тому

    Wonderful video!

  • @Charlotte_lpy
    @Charlotte_lpy 8 місяців тому

    wow really fantastic!

  • @dr.renupoonia5337
    @dr.renupoonia5337 3 роки тому

    very simple but effective way to teach these two terms and their use. Thanks a lot.

  • @kennguyen1066
    @kennguyen1066 5 років тому

    So, SE is standard error. SE = SD/sqrt(n). SEM is standard error of the Mean. SEM = to what? According to Dr. Piers @ 4:06, SEM is the SD of the Mean. This makes absolutely no sense, both terminology and usage. When do you use SE? Everyone explains it differently and uses it differently.

    • @ScientificReview
      @ScientificReview 5 років тому

      SEM is to be used when you have garbage data, SD for good data. SEM should not be used, unless you tried it on the same subject, with several trials.

  • @vikkirossiter
    @vikkirossiter 2 роки тому

    I'm doing a stats class now and I understand more from this 10 minutes than the whole lecture on it. Much thanks

  • @SmokeyHooder
    @SmokeyHooder Рік тому

    Watched this three times and finally I understood this. The best explanation I have found on this topic, no doubt!

  • @rebeccagoldin756
    @rebeccagoldin756 7 років тому

    There is a slight error in your interpretation of the 95% confidence interval. You say that the error bar contains an interval that, if you were to repeat your experiment 100 times, would contain the average 95 of 100 times. Instead the confidence interval (indicated by the error bars) changes each time you repeat your experiment. The correct statement is that in 95 out of 100 times, the calculated error bars will contain the “true mean.” This is true for both SEM and for SD. Otherwise, a truly excellent explanation with great graphics!

    • @PiersSupport
      @PiersSupport  7 років тому

      Thanks for the clarification Rebecca!

  • @Farhab
    @Farhab 7 місяців тому

    Awesome

  • @karenannlindquist
    @karenannlindquist 3 роки тому

    very good thank you!

  • @cajogos
    @cajogos 4 роки тому

    Really good refresher to these statistics ideas, I had completely forgotten what standard deviation and SEM was! Thanks a lot!