Proxmox VE v.s. XCP-ng: A Live Discussion with Tom Lawrence (@LAWRENCESYSTEMS) and @45Drives
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- Gear up for a deep dive into the world of storage #virtualization!
On Thursday, April 4th, Mitch and Brett will sit down #live with Tom Lawrence from Lawrence Systems to unravel the mysteries of Proxmox v.s. XCP-ng, comparing these platforms side-by-side.
Tune in live to our UA-cam channel to gain a better understanding of each platform in order to decide which reigns supreme for your specific applications.
Amazing stream, looking forward to another with the definitive experts (top search engine hits) for storage (45 drives), Virtualization (XCP-NG with Tom and Olivier) - 5 stars!
What a live!!! Wonderfull. Only sad thing, it was too short!
Update Proxmox to version 8.1.10. In datacener storage you will have option to connect VMware esxi host to proxmox and directly import vm-s to proxmox.
Cool! Comparisons are a great way to (re)discover a feature we missed/forgot
I would go with either, but proxmox seems to be a better setup for a homelab. I setup xcp-ng but didn't have much use for it besides just learning it. That said it seems really polished and well thought out
If I may, why no use for xcp-ng? I'm, about to start setting stuff up for a new homelab box and I'm leaning toward xcp-ng, if I remember correctly you can pass things like GPU to VM in it which expands what it is useful for quite a bit, for me anyway. But I need to take a good look at hyper-v first, it might be enough. I used to be firmly in the vmware camp but yeah, that didn't last...
I’ve been struggling with this one myself. At work, it’s VMWare all day sadly. At home, I think after watching this I’m going to settle with proxmox. Deployed a good amount of hyper-converged VMware infrastructure, so It’s time to dabble with the open source side of HCI now. That and I’ve always wanted to to give Ceph a try. XCP-NG was great when I did run it I will say.
"my hypervisor can do this!"
"Oh yeah, well my hypervisor can do this!"
I have a Ceph RBD pool in Proxmox for my HA VMs and I love it as much as anyone can love anything.
Cool. I'm curious, which videoconferencing app are you using?
For business I would go with xenserver and xencenter as gui. The gui of the orchestra is creepy. In a homelab I choose proxmox.
The XCP-ng project/ the community maintains the XenAdmin fork of XenCenter. The official GUI is XenOrchestra, but XenAdmin should be fine too.
With proxmox you can detach disk, then change owner of disk to new VM.
We are using Fibe Channel block storage (not iSCSI) presented storage to vmware (VMFS format) with many VMs that have greater than 2 TB disks configured. Like many we are looking to migrate off of vmware due to the 3x cost increase they hit us with after Broadcom bought them out.
It's my understanding that XCP-ng's VMs cannot have disks larger than 2TBs unless they are RAW format and with RAW format, snapshots cannot be used. That is a big limitation.
Do you know if Proxmox has simular limitations?
For Fc storage, Proxmox can do snapshots but no shared storage for vmotion, or, shared storage but not vm snapshots. Same with iscsi block. It's a huge missing feature that all the experts keep skipping.
XCP has that terrible 20 year old disk format that restricts to 2 TB but you can use multiple disks and use LVM to make a large drive in the OS.
Next version of the storage API will fix it but who knows when that happens. The amount of promises/coming soon announcements that are now years old is growing.
Hopefully an influx of money will allow quicker development.
Proxmox is a serious candidate as an alternative to VMware. XCP-NG is like some homelab-retard-kinda Virtualization platform.
We have tested XCP-NG and Proxmox on two identical clusters and our administration team preferred Proxmox over XCP after about 90 days of testing each cluster.
We agree - It's very easy to see why people are choosing it once you use both! Promox >>>>>>
@31:46 - is Ceph the only option ????
will Proxmox use other clustered storage technology (a smaller footprint, faster) ??
I've never had any good expereience with XCP-NG... Incredibly ackward web UI (talk about a new one which should have been released, is ongoing for years), very vague non descriptive error messages with no clue on how to solve the problem or even know what the problem is. Very bad terminal integration, no spice, no vnc I believe or very mediocre. Very non logical way to set up storage... It seems the windows drivers are managed (or not) by a single guy which does not bode well... Bad hardware passthrough or lack of good documentation. Or rather pretty much non existent GPU passthrough.. Don't know if it will even let you use LSI SAS controllers but I'm sure it does... Limited probably to very specific ones like vmware.
I respect Tom for his knowledge and I am a vivid watcher of his channel but unfortunately I cannot share his unwavering enthousiasm about XCP-NG.
XCP-NG might be cool if you are a certified expert.. It is not for suitable for the average homelabber anyways (IMHO).
We don’t need to see you while presenting we can’t even read the goddamn demo screen
I _love_ how Tom speaks from a place of authority, and then the 45Drives folks talk amongst themselves, and then start to chat about their stuff. If 45Drives can't see the value in paying Tom to do how-to videos and/or build outs on 45Drives hardware... then I don't know what they're doing. Cheers Tom.
Ceff is so prohibitively expensive.. cant see it ever being viable
Does it mean anything that it takes two Proxmox guys to take on one XCP-NG guy?
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