Fantastic addition to the Make Everything Shop! I'm sure you've inspired many to upgrade their home shops through the course of your UA-cam career and I wish you all the best in the coming years. Cheers! Zip~
I noticed not one person that does a video on these machines cutting refuses to show them cut in real time. They probably cut slower than molasses. This took 15mins to cut!? I was really excited when i first learned about these machines, but i suspect there a lot thats not being said about them that probably makes them a bare to own. I think I'll go with plasma.
Great Vid. Im kinda excited again now. Im in on the first batch and was getting a little cold on the whole thing due to how long its been taking and the cost to run. Im into knife making too and even tho it doesnt seem amazingly cost effective it will still be great for r&d.
I can’t speak to anyone else’s work flow, but I know for me, as a single entity running my own shop this thing is gonna pay for itself fast. It’s weird to have a machine tell you how much a part is gonna cost but once you step back and think about your time + other consumables to make things the wazer cost is actually pretty low. For instance this cut two titanium frame lock sides for me out of .120 6AL4V titanium in about 60 minutes, that cost me $30 in garnet but saved me a $15 bandsaw blade $10 in belts, and potentially blowing up a $75 carbide slitting saw, and probably 2/3 hours in time to drill screw holes and profile the sides. For that application the wazer is unbeatable. I hope you enjoy your machine!
@@MakeEverything Do you think the cost would be much lower for cutting softer materials such as tile? Also is it possible to use other less costly options than garnet?
What about the Elephant in the room? How thick can it cut and what can it cut? Like Steel, how thick and for example Aluminium is 1/8th it? Cause if it cant cut through at least 1/4 inch Aluminium it's just for toys!
It seems nice. But if it took 15 minutes to cut that tiny piece, how long will it take to cut something usefully larger? So now we have plasma cutters, laser cutters, water jets, and the good old milling machines. Quite a choice.
saiyanprince989 my friend’s son runs one too. They let him do whatever he wants to for himself. He cut a 2.5” thick granite/1/2” stainless steel turntable base for another friend who’s making. his own.
Hopefully someone will develop one that's not a tiny and over priced. Lets face it with those cut times and that tiny bed you are limited, a shadow of what a real waterjet cutter is for a significant price.
So you can't get this in the UK then . I have been looking at one but it's 22 grand just to much and only cuts 300x 300 mm what is the cutting area of that one . And what thickness will it cut in mild steel thank u
Considering an industrial waterjet set up is about 150k, is say this is a low operating cost. Also it was definatly not designed to be an industrial machine in the first place so its not going to have the capabilities of one. But for a small shop /home to have a cnc cutter that can cut any type of hard material. I think it looks like a great buy. It may cut a bit slow but again your only spending 8k not 150k.
looking at their website it appears a $79 55lb bucket of the garnett abrasive only lasts about 2.75hrs of run time. if that little keychain took 15 minutes i could see this being quite expensive to run full time. is that the norm for water jets? is there cheaper abrasives available?
It’s definitely not as cost effective per part as a commercial grade water jet, but a large water jet is gonna be 100k plus. For me as a Knifemaker it basically allows me to double my productivity by having it cut blanks while I work on other things. I will be buying abrasive by the pallet which makes it about $0.50 per lb. at that rate I can cut a blank for under $20 that would normally take me an hour, plus the consumable cost of wearing out bandsaw blades and drill bits. I charge more than that per hour for my time so it’s absolutely worth it. It’s certainly does not seem cheap up front, but you can always make more money, and you can’t make more time.
Make Everything I basically agree with all your points, about time being essentially invaluable and how you can trade money for an increase in productivity, making more money in turn. All that said, that $20/h still sounds like a humongous expense to me. I'm a hobbyist, and not a very successful one so far, but in the span of an hour I can cut and drill 4 blanks, at a fraction of that $20, even if I throw away a Cobalt drill-bit afterwards (I don't). If you're making skmething like 10-15 knives a day, all by yourself, then this expense makes sense if you want to keep working solo. Otherwise it feels like you're paying for a convenience, which is a totally valid thing for a pro to do, but it is completely different from what I think you're saying.
What does it cost to deliver a pallet to you? (If you don't mind answering). For under 5k for a complete waterjet machine, completely insane! (and affordable)
Dogbert for me in NY a 2200lb pallet delivered is $950, at under $0.50 a lb is makes parts MUCH more affordable to cut. 2200lbs seems like a lot of material buts it’s only 40 bags, it wouldn’t be too hard to store that amount of material...
If you want to speed up production and lower operating costs, look into the Langmuir Systems CrossFire. It’s only $1250 (1750 with plasma cutter) and it will cut out a knife blank in less than a minute.You would need to leave about .060 of stock on the blades edge and then remove it via grinding after plasma cutting. This is to remove the heat affected zone so that the edge can be properly hardened later on.
Gary McDaniel definitely shoot them an email if you haven’t already. I’ve been to their shop and seen photos of other customers getting their machines... I can tel you this is not a scam, BUT it is a small team building really Complicated machines one at a time. If I can help connect you with the guys there let me know, shoot me an email.
It's not that hard to look up! No need to get ugly. Anyway, he bought it early in Kickstarter, meaning it cost him about half what the retail is, so his answer will be meaningless to you. I bought mine through Kickstarter and it cost about $5,000, but it was later than his, yet not full retail.
I was disappointed with this video. There was so much more that needed to be explained. What was the total cost of the machine, shipping and setup? What did you have to do to prepare for this addition to your workshop? What about the software? You described very little and did not show us anything about it. Is it newb friendly or does this have a big learning curve? I am considering a portable water jet as I think it might be a viable alternative to paying a manufacturer to produce certain products. I was hoping this video would be useful, unfortunately it has left me with more questions than answers.
15 minutes? It almost sounds like a joke for a small piece with small material thickness. This would mean that you can do 4pcs/h and what, charge 5$/piece that 20$/h ... i don't know man, doesn't sound that great over all
15 minutes does sound like a lot of time.... when I can cut it with my laser in less then a minute..... and i dont have to screw down the piece I am cutting.... no sand to purchase or get rid of after its use..... Not the machine for me ....I thought it would be a good addition but not at this time...
The art of buy, process- and sell. Buy a piece of 1 USD metal, process it (for a fantastic knife or perhaps a unique monogram) and sell it for 100 USD. Then suddenly we talk about 400 dollars/h. That’s the art of buy and sell. There’s a UK-based guy, doing this in wood. His machine makes 1000 dollars/h when working. The art of... again. Cheers!
To weak and to slow, thereby to expensive to run for knifemaking. It's a gadget that works for lighter tasks perhaps. And if one is outside the states it bumpes the prices way up!
Yes. I used an OMAX and it worked about 60 times faster on thicker material. The time lapse in wazer videos looks like OMAX real time. Wazer uses really low pressure.
$9,000 ?!? WTF happened to the original $1,200 price! I helped fund this on kickstarter, now I have to pay nearly 10x the price all of a sudden. BAD MOVE. No longer worth it. It was marketed as an AFFORDABLE HOME DIY-ER PRODUCT. Now all of a sudden it's an over-priced commercial product. - - - - - - - - - EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTING - - - - - - - - -
StraitD2 i don’t recall it being $1200 ever, I paid about $4300 in the batch I purchased on Kickstarter. That being said I believe the price is $7500 at the moment, not $9000. Either way, I agree it’s not for everyone, but for operating a small business it’s absolutely been worth it for me.
I didn't even know about the Wazer until a couple of weeks ago, but apparently now I NEED one.
Fantastic addition to the Make Everything Shop! I'm sure you've inspired many to upgrade their home shops through the course of your UA-cam career and I wish you all the best in the coming years. Cheers! Zip~
I’m surprised you didn’t use distilled water!!!
Glad to see this in the wild!! This is going to open the gates to a lot of fabrication capabilities for smaller shops in the future.
This thing is fantastic!
What a great ‘start up’ video on this very cool piece of equipment! 👏🏻
I noticed not one person that does a video on these machines cutting refuses to show them cut in real time. They probably cut slower than molasses. This took 15mins to cut!? I was really excited when i first learned about these machines, but i suspect there a lot thats not being said about them that probably makes them a bare to own. I think I'll go with plasma.
This would be great for header flanges.
Great Vid. Im kinda excited again now. Im in on the first batch and was getting a little cold on the whole thing due to how long its been taking and the cost to run. Im into knife making too and even tho it doesnt seem amazingly cost effective it will still be great for r&d.
I can’t speak to anyone else’s work flow, but I know for me, as a single entity running my own shop this thing is gonna pay for itself fast. It’s weird to have a machine tell you how much a part is gonna cost but once you step back and think about your time + other consumables to make things the wazer cost is actually pretty low. For instance this cut two titanium frame lock sides for me out of .120 6AL4V titanium in about 60 minutes, that cost me $30 in garnet but saved me a $15 bandsaw blade $10 in belts, and potentially blowing up a $75 carbide slitting saw, and probably 2/3 hours in time to drill screw holes and profile the sides. For that application the wazer is unbeatable. I hope you enjoy your machine!
for sure!
@@MakeEverything Do you think the cost would be much lower for cutting softer materials such as tile? Also is it possible to use other less costly options than garnet?
Can you provide us any numbers?
What about the Elephant in the room? How thick can it cut and what can it cut? Like Steel, how thick and for example Aluminium is 1/8th it? Cause if it cant cut through at least 1/4 inch Aluminium it's just for toys!
Looks a great machine. Looking forward to meeting you at Makers Central next year.
Yes! Its gonna be a game changer in my shop! Im looking to get the Wazer guys out to macker central as well. See you there!
Wow a Machine with such a great Instruction Manual 👍
It seems nice. But if it took 15 minutes to cut that tiny piece, how long will it take to cut something usefully larger? So now we have plasma cutters, laser cutters, water jets, and the good old milling machines. Quite a choice.
Have you calculated how much it costs to run?
Wow, have fun with that!
8000 for nema 17 and enclosure great deal....
Sweet. I run a water jet at the company I work for. Mine is a "tad" bigger. Tank is 15'x30'x3' give or take. I have a lot of fun with it.
saiyanprince989 my friend’s son runs one too. They let him do whatever he wants to for himself. He cut a 2.5” thick granite/1/2” stainless steel turntable base for another friend who’s making. his own.
We got one of these in my AED class
Hopefully someone will develop one that's not a tiny and over priced. Lets face it with those cut times and that tiny bed you are limited, a shadow of what a real waterjet cutter is for a significant price.
We have a Flow Mach 5, 6' x 13' bed. I keep thinking is just for small sheet metal stuff. Looks cool tho...
I bought my Wazer a while back and I am finally setting it up. Just curious.... how small of a hole can it cut? Cutting 1/8" Copper FYI
SirMixAlotChannel it will pierce about 1/16th of an inch straight through if you want
Make Everything wow! Made my day
Still liking the water jet ?
So you can't get this in the UK then . I have been looking at one but it's 22 grand just to much and only cuts 300x 300 mm what is the cutting area of that one . And what thickness will it cut in mild steel thank u
How is it holding up ?
Great! I don’t use it everyday but when i do, it works very well!
How does the protomax (12x12, $23k) compare to the wazer (12x18, $8k)?
How is it holding up, do you still like it?
Have you tried cutting any type of stainless steel with it? Nice video man...channel in general, just found you and subbed
Do you use that Sanford surface grinder much? I have one here in my shop upstate.
We got ours about a month ago. Did not live up to our expectations. Support at Wazer told us to put it on Ebay. Ouch!
What issues did you have.
Do you still have the unit
I am from India.. Is it easy for Operte.. I am interested..
send it to the waterjet guys :)
I might have to upgrade my missus this one won't allow the expenditure
can it cut 2mm.
Must cost a lot to maintain and run this?
Qué mineral utilizas como granalla o elemento abrasivo?
What are the dimensions of the test cut bottle opener?
How do you plan on handling the used garnet?
Through it in the bin!
What is the cut thickness of it or kerf
What is the smallest diameter hole it can cut?
Rsc 1970 It can pierce a hole about 1/16” diameter
Wait ? What ! does everyone use their surface plate as a table ??? !!!!!
So how can I order mine
En mexico no la venden
Operating cost Too high. Web based software ridiculous. Speed too slow. This is a hobby toy at best!
Considering an industrial waterjet set up is about 150k, is say this is a low operating cost. Also it was definatly not designed to be an industrial machine in the first place so its not going to have the capabilities of one. But for a small shop /home to have a cnc cutter that can cut any type of hard material. I think it looks like a great buy. It may cut a bit slow but again your only spending 8k not 150k.
@@jakegingrich7214 Web based software kills this machines growth!
looking at their website it appears a $79 55lb bucket of the garnett abrasive only lasts about 2.75hrs of run time. if that little keychain took 15 minutes i could see this being quite expensive to run full time. is that the norm for water jets? is there cheaper abrasives available?
It’s definitely not as cost effective per part as a commercial grade water jet, but a large water jet is gonna be 100k plus. For me as a Knifemaker it basically allows me to double my productivity by having it cut blanks while I work on other things. I will be buying abrasive by the pallet which makes it about $0.50 per lb. at that rate I can cut a blank for under $20 that would normally take me an hour, plus the consumable cost of wearing out bandsaw blades and drill bits. I charge more than that per hour for my time so it’s absolutely worth it. It’s certainly does not seem cheap up front, but you can always make more money, and you can’t make more time.
Make Everything I basically agree with all your points, about time being essentially invaluable and how you can trade money for an increase in productivity, making more money in turn. All that said, that $20/h still sounds like a humongous expense to me. I'm a hobbyist, and not a very successful one so far, but in the span of an hour I can cut and drill 4 blanks, at a fraction of that $20, even if I throw away a Cobalt drill-bit afterwards (I don't). If you're making skmething like 10-15 knives a day, all by yourself, then this expense makes sense if you want to keep working solo. Otherwise it feels like you're paying for a convenience, which is a totally valid thing for a pro to do, but it is completely different from what I think you're saying.
What does it cost to deliver a pallet to you? (If you don't mind answering). For under 5k for a complete waterjet machine, completely insane! (and affordable)
Dogbert for me in NY a 2200lb pallet delivered is $950, at under $0.50 a lb is makes parts MUCH more affordable to cut. 2200lbs seems like a lot of material buts it’s only 40 bags, it wouldn’t be too hard to store that amount of material...
If you want to speed up production and lower operating costs, look into the Langmuir Systems CrossFire. It’s only $1250 (1750 with plasma cutter) and it will cut out a knife blank in less than a minute.You would need to leave about .060 of stock on the blades edge and then remove it via grinding after plasma cutting. This is to remove the heat affected zone so that the edge can be properly hardened later on.
I pre ordered also no response. Is this all just a scam?
Gary McDaniel definitely shoot them an email if you haven’t already. I’ve been to their shop and seen photos of other customers getting their machines... I can tel you this is not a scam, BUT it is a small team building really
Complicated machines one at a time. If I can help connect you with the guys there let me know, shoot me an email.
Just got mine yesterday...
You can reach out to WAZER for fulfillment and technical support at support@wazer.com
I got one for sale
@@jimbetland4890 Jim did you ever sell yours? If not, is it advertised anywhere?
How much did it cost u?
@zztop3000 It appears the he is too good for us! NOT subbing or supporting this dickwad!
It's not that hard to look up! No need to get ugly. Anyway, he bought it early in Kickstarter, meaning it cost him about half what the retail is, so his answer will be meaningless to you. I bought mine through Kickstarter and it cost about $5,000, but it was later than his, yet not full retail.
It takes too long to cut anything over an 1/8 of an inch. So definitely for thin sheet metal.
The advantage is that it does not heat the part, so no interference with tempering. Great for cutting gears
@@orionfleming6783 Too much taper for gears imop
What is the maximum thickness it will cut
Tried to cut .500" 6061 Aluminum with little success.
says 1.5mm on the site
I was disappointed with this video. There was so much more that needed to be explained. What was the total cost of the machine, shipping and setup? What did you have to do to prepare for this addition to your workshop? What about the software? You described very little and did not show us anything about it. Is it newb friendly or does this have a big learning curve? I am considering a portable water jet as I think it might be a viable alternative to paying a manufacturer to produce certain products. I was hoping this video would be useful, unfortunately it has left me with more questions than answers.
Pancake steppers!? Seriously???
15 minutes? It almost sounds like a joke for a small piece with small material thickness. This would mean that you can do 4pcs/h and what, charge 5$/piece that 20$/h ... i don't know man, doesn't sound that great over all
15 minutes does sound like a lot of time.... when I can cut it with my laser in less then a minute..... and i dont have to screw down the piece I am cutting.... no sand to purchase or get rid of after its use..... Not the machine for me ....I thought it would be a good addition but not at this time...
The art of buy, process- and sell.
Buy a piece of 1 USD metal, process it (for a fantastic knife or perhaps a unique monogram) and sell it for 100 USD.
Then suddenly we talk about 400 dollars/h. That’s the art of buy and sell. There’s a UK-based guy, doing this in wood. His machine makes 1000 dollars/h when working. The art of... again.
Cheers!
To weak and to slow, thereby to expensive to run for knifemaking. It's a gadget that works for lighter tasks perhaps. And if one is outside the states it bumpes the prices way up!
Totally agree. Their estimated times and material usage is way off.
Yes. I used an OMAX and it worked about 60 times faster on thicker material. The time lapse in wazer videos looks like OMAX real time. Wazer uses really low pressure.
@%!@^% i want one
$8000
$9,000 ?!? WTF happened to the original $1,200 price! I helped fund this on kickstarter, now I have to pay nearly 10x the price all of a sudden. BAD MOVE. No longer worth it. It was marketed as an AFFORDABLE HOME DIY-ER PRODUCT. Now all of a sudden it's an over-priced commercial product. - - - - - - - - - EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTING - - - - - - - - -
StraitD2 i don’t recall it being $1200 ever, I paid about $4300 in the batch I purchased on Kickstarter. That being said I believe the price is $7500 at the moment, not $9000. Either way, I agree it’s not for everyone, but for operating a small business it’s absolutely been worth it for me.
I bet you're also the kind of person who complains about cheap Chinese hardware at the $1200 price point.