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My Coven respects Franz Bardon greatly, and Initiation To Hermetics is one of our 2nd year textbooks. Frabato The Magician, his novel, is not only entertaining but shows the work of Initiation in practice. The newer editions of his works are easier to understand for sure, and hopefully they will all return to print and stay that way. It's such a shame his Work was cut short by an authoritarian regime- so many further books and teachings were also lost. Thanks for a great video!
Good to see Franz Bardon getting more attention. One of the main things this does not talk about is the distinction between internal power systems = Bardons IIH and Ritual Systems (Reliant on Egregore) = Golden Dawn. To read more interviews with practitioners check out Perseus Academy.
Thanks for sharing an honoring his contribution and work. The Golden Dawn was a new system as well when it was created with many influences and changes etc. Love your channel and amazing work Angela!
btw I am from Czecho-Slovakia and we have much more such masters and teachers! Even nowadays! Like Emil Pales, Peter Stanek, psychotronic and parapsychology research, Juraj Sitar, Jaroslav Dušek, Stanislav Grof, Jiří Vacek and others...
Franz Bardon has basically inspired 90% of current energy based magick systems. I advice to read what Roan Clark wrote that truly extend what Bardon wrote and make it more digestable.
🟣 Really good, the only thing I'd add is how in KTQ, creative speech must be done simultaneously at all three levels: physical, astral, and mental. That's part of the reason for the emphasis on the three parallel paths of training in IIH.
I was in contact with an old student of Bardon who lived in Vienna. That was in the 90s. He always wrote to me back then, using an old typewriter.He said that he only survived WW2, especially the Russian invasion, thanks to Bardon and his magic.
One of the books I started with over 30 years ago was Ed Fitch's Grimoire of Shadows, I stumbled onto Franz Bardon's Initiation into Hermetics and noticed the Tatwas mentioned with the elements and started to question a lot of books I read and collected growing up.
Exactly! When I started my own spiritual inner journey I met so many obstacles which solutions were not written in any book and I read many. So I had to overcome them by my own. I collected a huge amount of related knowledge. It was really interesting and challenging at same time.
I've always liked him, now I love him! I like how he is about direct personal experience, not all the egotistical fanfare like Crowley and those guys who are essentially Larping, lol
My housemate has both practical and his theoretical (i.e. published works) works and experience. I will get him to watch this video and see if he might want to help you make a further video. One must keep in mind that he was very much a product of his time. It really does help to know the man in his time, to understand the basis of his work. Also, one must do the three books in order! to go to book 2 without reading one would be akin to learning the foundations of Quantum Theory of Physics without having studied Classical Physics. And when I say understand before you move on, I really mean have that knowledge pat down! Otherwise, you will get lost!!! (Also a great example of someone who took what was "known", and from it, created his own system. True Alchemy. Taking what one finds Noble from the Base. Wheat from Chaff. Gold from LEAD)
Thank you for the interesting video! Since Bardon's works were first published in German by the Bauer printing company, I am a little sad that I have only seen English references. By the way, the English translation and the German "original" and the few surviving Czech writings by Bardon's family seam to differ slightly, but not insignificantly. If you feel like it, maybe take a look! There are some german books and informations out there. Best you ask Ralph Tegtmeier for contacts and a list of german sorces. What bothers me, however, is the portray of Franz Bardon's approach as floating freely in space and comparing him to the Golden Dawn and Crowly and not to the Adonist's Dr. Musalam (Dr. Franz Sättler) and Ra Omir Quitscher (Friedrich Willhelm Quintscher). I think that he took his practical approach from Ra Omir Quitscher. In some modern books it is also claimed that he was for some time a student of Quintscher. But i don't know if this was the case. ⭕
Excellent video, I always enjoyed his work and would like to try it for a year sometime im so use to the Golden dawn system along with Modern Traditional witchcraft/Hoodoo type workings
🔴On the Left Hand Path side of things, Michael Kelly teaches a system that similarly emphasizes mental development and one's own will as the primary source of magical power, first published in the book "Apophis." Apparently he drew mainly from his own experience in the Order of Leviathan in the Temple of Set. Unlike Bardon he leaves the choice of symbol system up to the individual (in true LHP fashion) though he does recommend using a traditional system such as the runes.
Thank you for this episode, very interesting. The root of Bardon 's system sounds very much like my own system and practice. I'm interested in learning more about him and obtaining his book. 🔵
I agree with Bardon that Air's color is blue-the color associated with wisdom and heaven-and Earth is yellow, although I would rather associate the latter with orange which is related to brown (dark orange) and the opposite of color blue (as well as the fact that Air is the counterpart of Earth). For this reason, also, I associate Water with the color green i.e. opposite of the color red (Fire). Blue & Red - primary colors, masculine; Orange & Green - secondary colors, feminine.
36:00 this has always been my number one issue as well which I've been saying in most of my videos. if folks are going to create their own path they need to give the disclaimer. EDIT: ⭕
@@zoltanfabiansk5795 right but I mean sharing with others. I see people make videos, or talk in groups sharing their own perspective and making claims its ancient or something which it ends up not being, just their own modern interpretation.
Thanks! I have this book, so it's great to hear your review. I had no idea he was forced into a concentration camp. OMG his life -- and death -- what a character. Too bad Alister Crowley got all the attention
○ So, about 20 years ago I learned stuff about Bardon from two groups that didn't know about each other, one group located close to Stuttgard, the other group close to Cologne, I was a member of the latter group. To keep it short, Bardon was a member of Dr. Musalam's Adonism, which was connected to the Pansophic Society of Berlin and Ra Omir Quintscher's "Orden der mentalistischen Bauherren". After becoming a Fellow Craft (in german: "Geselle") of that group, Bardon got his hands on the material for masters, stole it and left the group. As usual, that material was protected against the uninitiated by little mistakes woven into it. Learning how to spot those mistakes and correct them was part of the initiation into the master's degree. AFAIK those mistakes can still be found in Bardon's books as if they were no mistakes, but they make the whole thing appear a little skewed. So it might be interesting for academic purposes to compare Bardon to the OMB, Quintscher, the Adonists and subsequently the early Fraternitas Saturni, because in the early days of the FS Quintscher joined them and asked the members of the OMB to do the same. XOXO Thanks, Angel, and keep up the good work.
Cool video. I just would like to point out that the golden dawn did not limit itself. Tattwas is a very important work in the golden dawn. It is required to students in the philosophus grade and it’s the basis for the inner order work, the vault work specifically. I may be mistaken but it was the golden dawn that introduced the tattwas into the western world.
The more I watched the video I don’t think there’s a difference between bartons work and the golden dawn. The golden dawn is based on hermetic principles. Barton just seems to publish a system based on the golden dawn system. Just slightly modified.
@@jbaquinones Bardon's work is much more geared to working on one's own than the Golden Dawn's system. There are similarities, but also a lot of differences.
@@hereticHermetic I’m not familiar with his work. But it seems to be that when people talk about the golden dawn they talk about introductory books. Everything dr puca talked about I have seen in the golden dawn.
btw Just a little observation. Many times I experienced that memorized knowledge can be obstacle in practice when it is written or understood not appropriately because written text is usually not unambiguous. We need to pay always attention to this point.
✨♨✨ I think it's fascinating to hear about examples of orthopraxis practices, I wonder if that what separates occult practice from mainstream faiths, you know separate the sheep from the goats. I totally barrowed that Hehe! Thank you for this excellent lecture and for everything you do!
[⭕]heh.. 🤔I've never heard of the Man and his work.. I do remember looking over some books with the symbols presented but I don't think there in my collection. Interesting to know..👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾 Well done.🖖🏾
Anybody here know any youtubers that study (academically and also innpractice) afro-Latin and American indigenous spiritualities? Especially those that look at pre Columbian connections and have an honest look at the influences from colonialzation
@@richardtschudi5327 apparently because of the pancreatic problems Bardon deliberately asked his wife to bring smoked bacon to the prison. It seems Bardon thought the bacon would aggravate the pancreatic problem and bring about his demise. He had suffered so much for decades and this does not constitute suicide in my view. A point is reached were perhaps one no longer cares and simply chooses to enjoy what can be experienced.
I doubt he was targeted by Nazis because of occultism since they were an occult based organization. The S.S was working with Major powers unknown or seen by most.
The problem with such systems is that spiritual development, growth and awakening is highly individual! So it is non-transferable! Every adept has to develop his own steps and system because steps can be similar but process is dependent on individual's inner states. So learning any spiritual system by brain means NOTHING and gives no result! Everything must be used practically and individuated to the adepts situation, state, obstacles, individual life path!
The real Illuminated ones must put their systems forth for their family legacy. Breaking curses and raising the bar for their generations to stand upon.
I understand your point but I think that this system benefits from being individual instead of group work. In the end you will end up developing your own system anyway but this one gives you training wheels if you plan on doing work alone
But that kind of system push people to actually test, try, adapt and find the tools that work for oneself, over exploiting things that were discovered by other people without truly understanding them. Magick is such a fluid art. Bardon push you to find your own signature of art over than trying to recreate the work of a particular movement
@@carlmorrison9789 Yes, correct. But many people think they can use it 1:1 which is not the case of spiritual development. Furthermore such "teachings" are using only the mental and brain part of knowledge system but crucial are the non-verbal parts. And practice should be performed on the first place. Such systems speaks very little about proper practice and especially obstacles in spiritual development which could be successfully overcome by appropriate preparation. And this is not written almost nowhere. Therefore were crucial appropriate teachers and masters in the past. And it is crucial in nowadays too but there is a lack of them. Bigger lack than in previous time ages. Because of mental chaos and too much inappropriate information and nonsenses. Too many theories and too few practical knowledge.
👏👏👏👏👏 😃 I liked very much this long (not so long really but very pleasant and light indeed), detailed and rich lecture on such an occultist, Dr. Angela! It was like attending your communication right at university. 😃 What an interesting system Bardon built! He is an I must read him and go deeper in! Thank you this chance for me to learn about Bardom and for bringing him to your wonderful amd enlightening yt channel! 😃 🟣
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My Coven respects Franz Bardon greatly, and Initiation To Hermetics is one of our 2nd year textbooks. Frabato The Magician, his novel, is not only entertaining but shows the work of Initiation in practice. The newer editions of his works are easier to understand for sure, and hopefully they will all return to print and stay that way. It's such a shame his Work was cut short by an authoritarian regime- so many further books and teachings were also lost. Thanks for a great video!
For those wanting to understand more about Bardon's work, I suggest Rawn Clark's books and youtube channel. ⭕️
I suggest own practice instead of theories. :)
Yeah Roan Clark is necessary to have a better understanding of the teachings of Bardon.
Jason Miller also reinvented Bardon's system to contemporary world
Also Clint Sabom's channel.
Yes he helped me work through Bardon. There are also people on UA-cam. 😊
Good to see Franz Bardon getting more attention. One of the main things this does not talk about is the distinction between internal power systems = Bardons IIH and Ritual Systems (Reliant on Egregore) = Golden Dawn. To read more interviews with practitioners check out Perseus Academy.
Thanks for sharing an honoring his contribution and work. The Golden Dawn was a new system as well when it was created with many influences and changes etc. Love your channel and amazing work Angela!
Thanks for sharing!
⭕ A lovely exploration of Bardon's work. Personally, I am fan of the man and his books.
btw I am from Czecho-Slovakia and we have much more such masters and teachers! Even nowadays! Like Emil Pales, Peter Stanek, psychotronic and parapsychology research, Juraj Sitar, Jaroslav Dušek, Stanislav Grof, Jiří Vacek and others...
Thats right👍
Franz Bardon has basically inspired 90% of current energy based magick systems. I advice to read what Roan Clark wrote that truly extend what Bardon wrote and make it more digestable.
Woohoo, coffee ready, time to watch
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Hope you enjoy!
🟣 Really good, the only thing I'd add is how in KTQ, creative speech must be done simultaneously at all three levels: physical, astral, and mental. That's part of the reason for the emphasis on the three parallel paths of training in IIH.
Very good point! And I would add also the spiritual level above mental which is crucial for success.
Excellent video once again Dr. ⭕
I was in contact with an old student of Bardon who lived in Vienna. That was in the 90s. He always wrote to me back then, using an old typewriter.He said that he only survived WW2, especially the Russian invasion, thanks to Bardon and his magic.
⚙ Thanks for your time putting these great videos together.
Glad you like them!
Another amazing one angela, i love the powerpoint format
HAve all 4 books. My friend is a HUGE! fan.
Thank you for this helpful lecture. ⭕️
Glad it was helpful!
Emil Stejnar has good supplementary material on Bardon.
One of the books I started with over 30 years ago was Ed Fitch's Grimoire of Shadows, I stumbled onto Franz Bardon's Initiation into Hermetics and noticed the Tatwas mentioned with the elements and started to question a lot of books I read and collected growing up.
Exactly! When I started my own spiritual inner journey I met so many obstacles which solutions were not written in any book and I read many. So I had to overcome them by my own. I collected a huge amount of related knowledge. It was really interesting and challenging at same time.
@@zoltanfabiansk5795 I swear every year I run across something new that just makes me request everything all over again.
I've always liked him, now I love him! I like how he is about direct personal experience, not all the egotistical fanfare like Crowley and those guys who are essentially Larping, lol
Thanks!
Welcome!
My housemate has both practical and his theoretical (i.e. published works) works and experience. I will get him to watch this video and see if he might want to help you make a further video.
One must keep in mind that he was very much a product of his time. It really does help to know the man in his time, to understand the basis of his work.
Also, one must do the three books in order! to go to book 2 without reading one would be akin to learning the foundations of Quantum Theory of Physics without having studied Classical Physics.
And when I say understand before you move on, I really mean have that knowledge pat down!
Otherwise, you will get lost!!!
(Also a great example of someone who took what was "known", and from it, created his own system. True Alchemy. Taking what one finds Noble from the Base. Wheat from Chaff. Gold from LEAD)
⭕thank you very much for this very accessible yet a very thorough overview of one of my favorite authors and his esoteric system!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Fantastic as always
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You're welcome 😊
Thank you for the interesting video! Since Bardon's works were first published in German by the Bauer printing company, I am a little sad that I have only seen English references.
By the way, the English translation and the German "original" and the few surviving Czech writings by Bardon's family seam to differ slightly, but not insignificantly.
If you feel like it, maybe take a look!
There are some german books and informations out there.
Best you ask Ralph Tegtmeier for contacts and a list of german sorces.
What bothers me, however, is the portray of Franz Bardon's approach as floating freely in space and comparing him to the Golden Dawn and Crowly and not to the Adonist's Dr. Musalam (Dr. Franz Sättler) and Ra Omir Quitscher (Friedrich Willhelm Quintscher).
I think that he took his practical approach from Ra Omir Quitscher.
In some modern books it is also claimed that he was for some time a student of Quintscher.
But i don't know if this was the case. ⭕
It is so for every translation! Also it is slightly different in the original.
Thank you so much for doing this!
You're so welcome!
THX so much for what you do!
Keep up The Great Work! 😉
Thanks, will do!
Excellent video, I always enjoyed his work and would like to try it for a year sometime im so use to the Golden dawn system along with Modern Traditional witchcraft/Hoodoo type workings
🔴On the Left Hand Path side of things, Michael Kelly teaches a system that similarly emphasizes mental development and one's own will as the primary source of magical power, first published in the book "Apophis." Apparently he drew mainly from his own experience in the Order of Leviathan in the Temple of Set. Unlike Bardon he leaves the choice of symbol system up to the individual (in true LHP fashion) though he does recommend using a traditional system such as the runes.
Magic and mystic are 2 very different path and approaches. And also very different outcomes. So you need to choose which one want you make...
@@zoltanfabiansk5795 ... okay...
Informative as always.⭕
Glad you think so!
Thank you for this episode, very interesting. The root of Bardon 's system sounds very much like my own system and practice. I'm interested in learning more about him and obtaining his book. 🔵
Sounds great!
I agree with Bardon that Air's color is blue-the color associated with wisdom and heaven-and Earth is yellow, although I would rather associate the latter with orange which is related to brown (dark orange) and the opposite of color blue (as well as the fact that Air is the counterpart of Earth). For this reason, also, I associate Water with the color green i.e. opposite of the color red (Fire). Blue & Red - primary colors, masculine; Orange & Green - secondary colors, feminine.
I wonder if Franz Bardon encountered Maria Orsic during his imprisonment during world war 2.
36:00 this has always been my number one issue as well which I've been saying in most of my videos. if folks are going to create their own path they need to give the disclaimer.
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But other than own path is not possible for success.
@@zoltanfabiansk5795 right but I mean sharing with others. I see people make videos, or talk in groups sharing their own perspective and making claims its ancient or something which it ends up not being, just their own modern interpretation.
@@BlazeLeeDragon Yes, correct. So many "theories", so few real practice.
Thanks! I have this book, so it's great to hear your review.
I had no idea he was forced into a concentration camp. OMG his life -- and death -- what a character. Too bad Alister Crowley got all the attention
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So, about 20 years ago I learned stuff about Bardon from two groups that didn't know about each other, one group located close to Stuttgard, the other group close to Cologne, I was a member of the latter group. To keep it short, Bardon was a member of Dr. Musalam's Adonism, which was connected to the Pansophic Society of Berlin and Ra Omir Quintscher's "Orden der mentalistischen Bauherren". After becoming a Fellow Craft (in german: "Geselle") of that group, Bardon got his hands on the material for masters, stole it and left the group. As usual, that material was protected against the uninitiated by little mistakes woven into it. Learning how to spot those mistakes and correct them was part of the initiation into the master's degree. AFAIK those mistakes can still be found in Bardon's books as if they were no mistakes, but they make the whole thing appear a little skewed. So it might be interesting for academic purposes to compare Bardon to the OMB, Quintscher, the Adonists and subsequently the early Fraternitas Saturni, because in the early days of the FS Quintscher joined them and asked the members of the OMB to do the same.
XOXO
Thanks, Angel, and keep up the good work.
Interesting, thank you.
Cool video. I just would like to point out that the golden dawn did not limit itself. Tattwas is a very important work in the golden dawn. It is required to students in the philosophus grade and it’s the basis for the inner order work, the vault work specifically. I may be mistaken but it was the golden dawn that introduced the tattwas into the western world.
The more I watched the video I don’t think there’s a difference between bartons work and the golden dawn. The golden dawn is based on hermetic principles. Barton just seems to publish a system based on the golden dawn system. Just slightly modified.
@@jbaquinones Bardon's work is much more geared to working on one's own than the Golden Dawn's system. There are similarities, but also a lot of differences.
@@hereticHermetic I’m not familiar with his work. But it seems to be that when people talk about the golden dawn they talk about introductory books. Everything dr puca talked about I have seen in the golden dawn.
btw Just a little observation. Many times I experienced that memorized knowledge can be obstacle in practice when it is written or understood not appropriately because written text is usually not unambiguous. We need to pay always attention to this point.
✨♨✨ I think it's fascinating to hear about examples of orthopraxis practices, I wonder if that what separates occult practice from mainstream faiths, you know separate the sheep from the goats. I totally barrowed that Hehe! Thank you for this excellent lecture and for everything you do!
[⭕]heh.. 🤔I've never heard of the Man and his work.. I do remember looking over some books with the symbols presented but I don't think there in my collection. Interesting to know..👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾 Well done.🖖🏾
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u should get martin faulks on to discuss bardon
He'll be with me tomorrow on the Broderick Wallace channel: 3 hour video. Regards.
@@JEKAZOL nice
◯ Thank you. Part of that seem like it could be appropriate for me, but I'm very new.
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I find the level of practice demanded of Bardon's work difficult.
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4:08 could you add the full source for "Clark, 2010" to your bibliography?
looks like the full list is at 38:23
Interesting I didn’t know Bardon’s system. Does he allow demonic evocations or just Angels? ⭕️
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Anybody here know any youtubers that study (academically and also innpractice) afro-Latin and American indigenous spiritualities? Especially those that look at pre Columbian connections and have an honest look at the influences from colonialzation
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Bardon may be a historically recorded example of death by bacon.
Please explain if possible.
@@richardtschudi5327 apparently because of the pancreatic problems Bardon deliberately asked his wife to bring smoked bacon to the prison. It seems Bardon thought the bacon would aggravate the pancreatic problem and bring about his demise. He had suffered so much for decades and this does not constitute suicide in my view. A point is reached were perhaps one no longer cares and simply chooses to enjoy what can be experienced.
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Da'at! 😄
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I doubt he was targeted by Nazis because of occultism since they were an occult based organization. The S.S was working with Major powers unknown or seen by most.
The problem with such systems is that spiritual development, growth and awakening is highly individual! So it is non-transferable! Every adept has to develop his own steps and system because steps can be similar but process is dependent on individual's inner states. So learning any spiritual system by brain means NOTHING and gives no result! Everything must be used practically and individuated to the adepts situation, state, obstacles, individual life path!
The real Illuminated ones must put their systems forth for their family legacy. Breaking curses and raising the bar for their generations to stand upon.
I understand your point but I think that this system benefits from being individual instead of group work. In the end you will end up developing your own system anyway but this one gives you training wheels if you plan on doing work alone
But that kind of system push people to actually test, try, adapt and find the tools that work for oneself, over exploiting things that were discovered by other people without truly understanding them. Magick is such a fluid art. Bardon push you to find your own signature of art over than trying to recreate the work of a particular movement
You got to start somewhere.
@@carlmorrison9789 Yes, correct. But many people think they can use it 1:1 which is not the case of spiritual development. Furthermore such "teachings" are using only the mental and brain part of knowledge system but crucial are the non-verbal parts. And practice should be performed on the first place. Such systems speaks very little about proper practice and especially obstacles in spiritual development which could be successfully overcome by appropriate preparation. And this is not written almost nowhere. Therefore were crucial appropriate teachers and masters in the past. And it is crucial in nowadays too but there is a lack of them. Bigger lack than in previous time ages. Because of mental chaos and too much inappropriate information and nonsenses. Too many theories and too few practical knowledge.
🔴⭕ xD Dont know which one to pick.
👏👏👏👏👏 😃 I liked very much this long (not so long really but very pleasant and light indeed), detailed and rich lecture on such an occultist, Dr. Angela! It was like attending your communication right at university. 😃 What an interesting system Bardon built! He is an I must read him and go deeper in! Thank you this chance for me to learn about Bardom and for bringing him to your wonderful amd enlightening yt channel! 😃 🟣
A lot more interesting than uni 😂
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