MSI Made Me Consider Deep Ethical Questions at CES 2024
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- MSI Made Me Consider Deep Ethical Questions at CES 2024
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I asked MSI to show me the 3 coolest things at their CES exhibit, and they added one extra for good measure -- here's a look at MSI Project Zero (hidden motherboard connectors), the 4K 240Hz AI-enhanced MEG 321URX QD-OLED monitor that can "cheat" at League of Legends, their all-new RTX 4080 Super Expert, and of course The Claw, MSI’s Intel-powered Handheld Portable Gaming PC.
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0:00 Welcome to MSI at CES 2024
0:50 MSI Project Zero - more hidden motherboard connectors
3:44 MSI put AI in a Monitor - 4K 240Hz MEG 321URX QD-OLED
6:14 MSI’s RTX 40 Super Cards, and an all-new RTX 4080 Super Expert
8:34 MSI’s Intel-powered “Claw” Handheld Portable Gaming PC
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I love how Paul went from philosophically questioning "is this cheating" to straight up saying "the monitor that lets you cheat" by the end of the video. 😂
Helps you cheat in video games
**gets award**
Yeah, the fact that PCGamer gave this an award makes that publication even more laughable than ever. Which is sad, I used to read them on a very regular basis and now I just think of them another tabloid rag.
Yeah really sad. This could kill PC gaming.
@@saphricpcgaming5182 NOTHING will ever kill PC gaming. Literally 98% of PC games have shader, traversal, loading and ISO/pipepline stutters. Even when games have shader pre comp, like Jedi Survivor, they still have shader stutter. PC gamers DO NOT CARE about massive issues like that--they are TOO BLIND to see whats in front of them so why would this be any different? A $10000 PC in any given year can't compete with a console as a result. And PC gamers do NOT care, which is why devs do NOT care about the state of PC games
@@Evilskyworshippers Runs well on my PC *shrugs*
@@Evilskyworshippers could kill competitive online gaming, console o pc.
Here comes extra DRM for gaming monitors.
What will be funny as hell is anti-cheat software doing hardware checks and banning anyone using an MSI MEG 321URX QD-OLED display, even if the display hasn't been trained in that particular game. Because why take the chance?
Even more funny would be if they changed the rules of the game to punish users of the monitor.
Eventually they will make wearables (eg. glasses) that use AI to do the same thing.
@CaptnCosmic That can pretty much only happen at a LAN.
Unless, of course, you make a habit out of bringing your 10 kg heavy and 72 cm wider monitor with you to your friend's place.
Not gonna happen.
The manufacturers can hardcode a random code so they'll never get banned
This is a great substitute for Paul's Tech News. Hope you have fun out there Paul and happy belated new years to you and all your family! Keep up the great content :)
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Paul I'm really loving this. Each vid covering just one manufacture. It's not too long or too short. There is so much stuff to look forward to. I don't know if I'm more excited about the monitor or the motherboards.
I feel like it wasn't that long ago that there was a big uproar about monitors that could display a crosshair on the center of the screen allowing players to no scope easier.
Love these CES videos. Thanks Paul!
I remember when unique looking GPU shrouds were a low-price of $449 like the RX 5700 XT 50th Anniversary Edition, before that, the RX VEGA 64 Limited Edition at $549. Nice looking shroud designs made solely for aesthetic. It's crazy how in 2024 manufactures think their unique designs deserve a extra premium price tag on them.
Yeah I think I have to agree, I prefer the MSI approach of not having the GPU locked to just that ecosystem. Makes the parts a lot less likely to become e-Waste when the user is done with it.
first the AI took our jobs, now its playing the games for us. :(
fact
Yea ai isn't taking my job. I'd love to see that.
Good, competitive games like lol are waste of time for kids
And soon it will live for us 💀
ai was playing the games for us decades ago
the MSI GPU does look cool in my opinion, I must say, no ugly RGB but different types of metal (shiny and matt), with also those cooler squares, looks very professional.
yet im not really ready in any capacity to pay 1000$ regardless of the looks of a GPU for a GPU.
@@xXJNTXx I agree. $500-$600 has been my limit I set for myself for graphics cards and I'm not bending.
2:40 I completely agree. It's cool coming up with new ideas and the connectors on the back seems like a decent idea, but they really need to make an official ATX standard supplement. That should have happened before releasing purchasable products with the idea implemented. 😅 I haven't done a build in a long time but with some many random fan power designs, RGB, and stuff like this it looks like building a PC now could turn into a mess if you are not careful.
It's nice to see someone like Paul trying to get some kind of mother board standards from all the companies. I agree with him and thinks that these Companies should have more standards Like the Nvidia 12 pin connector as some have the 4 pin slot on top and others have it on the bottom and if you needed a 90 or 180 degree adapter to fit in you case as of now do you use A or B Connector to work on your GPU.
Great video Paul. Try make sure you try and have some fun while your out there
Jeez can't believe they put Ai in a monitor for basically cheating and the monitor gets an award. I see dark times ahead. Multiplayer games will be unplayable Ai bots, Ai cheats, bring back the good old days.
I see it going two ways. That or resurgence of single players and couch coop!! And potential rebirth of LAN parties!
Multiplayer is already unplayable because of ridiculous levels of toxicity.
This is massive cope but I would absolutely love a world where all modern games suddenly get a LAN Mode. @@xostler
@@xostlerSingle player games never went anywhere to begin with
@@R17759 right? zero franchises exist around single player titles!
I'm very interested in the 4080 Super. I love the overall aesthetic to it. While I'm doing an all white build the color of the thing might actually accentuate the build instead of being a big black obelisk like 2001 floating in my system.
I like the light bar on the monitor. Now I wonder if the light bar can reflect my health/stamina concurrently and with the hud in game off to not have a static element on screen with it being an OLED panel.
that would be way more practical
never thought about that
This monitor could be modded to take the output of that light bar and run it to a shock collar instead. Then the player would really know how much pain their character is in at all times
I like the light bar, I just think it's neat - like ambient light - the ai in game bit needs to be left out though
The light bar at least is not a 'cheating' application of the AI. Aesthetic stuff like that is fine - It's no different to Razer Chroma where lights react to events in games. But yelling out warnings and such on-screen? That's bullshit. What's next? Having the monitor analyse everything it sees and starts offering item recommendations? Tells you the best counter to your enemy's RTS units? Shows you where to aim to compensate for recoil? That's a new definition of pay 2 win we could do without. Absolute bullshit.
on stage tournament events will have all the same equipment except for maybe exceptions for mouse, keyboards and chairs that players are accustomed to , it's the ones that you can enter at home are the ones to be wary of.
I like the healtbar LED - maybe it will be useful if You could disable HUD and have an immersion experience with the information displayed on the led :)
In this case you couldn’t, because the monitor is figuring out the health information from the on screen hud.
@@lllIIlllI yeah but I mean in future iterations and support for stuff like this :)
@@doniscoming Yeah that would be cool.
@@lllIIlllI You would have to reduce the health bar to a few pixels on the screen in a corner, since it is a 4k monitor a 20 pixel area would be less noticable
not possible without memory reading
I think the much more practical use of the monitor is how the ai can be trained for other games and how it reduces burn in (as well as customizing the light bar).
Maybe I can train it to help reduce some of Overwatch's visual clutter when someone presses 'Q'.
To be completely honest, I am just excited the fact there is 4k OLED/QD-OLED 240hz panels. I find 240hz is where I feel the most comfortable.
Does my computer have problem? I saw claw runs assassin creed has many lag, those sudden freeze for about 0.2second happen few times in this video. Is it normal?
I really liked that MSI reference inspired 4080 super. I liked the aesthetic.
Hello this future ai skysight on msi 32 urx will work on console ?
I want a Project Zero NV9, just so I have the option. Forward compatible with any PZ/BTF build I may go with in the future.
Handsome gfx card … wish more models like this were available
hi Paul sorry this has nothing to do with what this video's about but. I need to ask you about windows 11 or 10 (bought. legaly with key ). because my version isn't legit on my gaming pc and Its ruining it because of t he ''activate windows watermark on the right. bottom of the screen , ive tried everything and I m out. of options should I buy the windows 11 or 10 ? thank you
RIP competitive gaming
Competitions won't allow this, but if you mean ranked I don't see how this is going to hurt your ELO more than any other cheats and it probably won't be hard to flag/blacklist this when polling hardware during normal anticheat routines.
been dead since battlefield 4 dragon teeth dlc so roughly 2014-2015 it's been 8 years that there is not one game online without cheaters I know because I tried an aimbot and after 7 days not only did no one call me out but I saw the other wallhack users follow me left and right perfectly from the other side of the map..they saw me through x buildings walls and mountains this in every pvp game so I just stopped playing them they are everywhere and the reason is around 2015 is when aimbots switched from being troll hacks to being a business model earning millions to bad companies a german one was shutdown by blizzard they earned 300'000€ per month selling cheat accesses
Humans and machines working together. This is only the beginning of what will be a wonderful friendship.
People been cheating for the past decades in counter-strike pro league. A shit ton of shady stuff happened with some pro player and their “insane” aim. Flick shot and aim locking is a skill but when you aim head lock on walls… I wouldnt even be surprised same thing in league of legends with scripting. Its already a big problem in solo queue, i wouldnt doubt some pro player have their own either in their mouse or keyboard. We live in a world owned by a few trying really really hard to sell us their views and what we should watch or like. 😂 AI monitor, soon AI keyboard and mouse.
Super excited for these new graphics cards!
The 4080 super expert is a very nice-looking card. Considering the 4080 was always an $800 card in a $1200 card's clothing, I'd ideally pay $900 for the Expert.
Thx Paul
Very interested in that 4080 Super FE styled from MSI. Hopefully they price it close to that $999 usd msrp....hopefully..
If you get the 4080 super expert, will you grade cheese on the side panel, because those edges are sharp...and you could do it, and it would work!!
a few years ago a laptop company in China advertised it as allowing you to cheat better they have a often used saying if you can cheat cheat, all language have expressions like this but chinese say or think it on a daily basis big difference with other cultures found it and it was DELL of all brands 2018 Dell advertised a new laptop in China by claiming it was great for cheating at PUBG which they apologized later
So, for the ASUS GPUs with the power slot thingie, wouldn't a GPU riser enable anyone to use it in a different branded motherboard?
And about case compatibility, Dremel is our friend, almost any case can be coerced into accepting these motherboards as long as the standoffs remain ATX compatible.😅
Love that super 4080 I would hate to buy that and put a water cooler on it after all that work they did to that nice looking case of the 4080 super .
Yes it's cheating.
Very much so. No more respect for MSI, avoiding them and any brand that mimics this. Cheating is disgusting.
Buy this monitor and you will be the best WITHOUT software cheats ❤
...AND, soon AI will be playing games and you will be watching YOUR gameplay from your sofa 😂😂😂
Obvious cheating is obvious.
When winning is more important than the experience.
@@whitehorseptdon't blame this on MSI, blame it on the people who buy it and use it to cheat.
I'll be perfectly honest but the most exciting thing I've seen that is that MSI Claw handheld gaming console.
Will the minimap threat detection AI work for other games?
The AI monitor doesn't bother me as much; it's like some monitors with a HUD overlay of a crosshair that can be enabled from the monitor's menu. While it gives an advantage to the user in games where the crosshair is not shown by default, what prevents people from using clear tape with a dot or "X" on the screen?
Now, suppose the monitor was giving metadata that is not part of the game, like the opponent's build rotation and optimizing farm rotation with minimal input from the player. In that case, that is becoming more of a handicap boost to the user.
I am more intrigued by how game companies will combat this since it is just the monitor itself. Are they doing to ban AI-enabled monitors in general? Will they build their own AI to detect external peripherals, and how will they make sure not to flag false positives?
When new tech/software emerges, the company will try to block it, and people who want an edge will try to bypass it or find ways to hide it. The company will find a solution to hide it, and hackers will try to break the solution or come up with a newer exploit. It's a constant cat-and-mouse game.
Agreed Paul - until there is a standard that all manufacturers agree on and adhere to, I'll remain opposed. BUT once it's standardized in that all manufactures are doing the same thing (as opposed to all manufacturers are doing their own thing), I'll be all in.
We could really benefit from a new ATX standard at this point to be fair. We've been using the same basic layout for decades and it doesn't really lend itself to modern hardware. They came up with the BTX standard to fix some of the issues that newer hardware were making obvious, like being far more power hungry and running hotter but it didn't really go far. A few workstation boards used it. The original cheese grater Mac Pro's used it and other Xeon based boards around that time. It's more compartmentalised for cooling zones and power delivery.
I think the main thing holding back this from happening is backwards compatibility with existing ATX systems. It's a classic case of "we need to do something better but can't because its so entrenched". A common issue in the PC world. Just look how long VGA stuck around for example!
*We need HBMM Hardware Based Matchmaking- im still on 60hz!* 😂😭😭
Clean builds are fine, but some of us like the look of cables. Personally, I dig the "1960s telephone exchange wired by hyperactive caffeinated ferrets"" aesthetic.
dam looks like lian li started a firestorm of fish tank like case designs across all vendors. also imagine using that msi monitor on fps games
Some games lock the frame rate when playing online and also ban you for just using Reshade filters. So yeah... this thing will be very interesting to see how much flak it gets.
Those MSI graphic cards can double as a cheese grater
Ngl tho. Tht gpu look like FE but more minimalist yet professional 7:38
I didn‘t look the video yet, but that reminds me when Asus included a wallhack in the Geforce drivers.
MSI for the win...case manufacturers can easily adapt to this.
Now make the minions health bar red when you can last hit them 😂
Can only imagine what the unscrupulous cheat devs will make with this monitor.
Why wait. MSI has already done it.
Which is why it will likely end up on a fixed ban-list in a shitton of anti-cheat hardware. You're using an MSI MEG 321URX QD-OLED? You don't get to play the game.
@@MrMartinSchou Please share how a game is going to know you are using this monitor? The AI functions on the monitor itself and is not extra software running on your system.
@@MrMartinSchou not really possible especially in europe, thats similar to google checking if u dont have antiadv addons, they just cant enter your pc legally and check that
@@elassan8449 if valorant can (effectively) rootkit your system, I doubt finding the monitor name would be very difficult
Good job, Paul.
Let's not forget that TVs have been monitoring what we watch by analyzing the video content and matching the content to video fingerprints of known content.
It's possible my monitor might be reading this comment right now.
my monitor is about 9-10 years old, so i am not worried lmao
Can we get a video asking where all the 4090 Super, 4090Ti, or 4090Ti Super models are? As a streamer in need of a new GPU / system, I haven't heard anything of this product and would like to know more.
It is only rumours, but as far as I know, Nvidia have no plans for those currently.
In every video I see of the Claw there are these momentary freezes like at 8:52 , 9:34 . This doesn't inspire confidence, it might of been wiser to use a less demanding game - especially in the first major demonstration to the press. Hopefully they will sort these issues out before release.
Wait so I hadn't noticed before, but does the 4070 non super have more VRAM than the Super edition ?
No it's the same.
That is cheating. Love the new 4080 and Claw. Was going to get the Lenovo LG but gonna wait for the Claw I think. 4080 super looks super! I love MSI, been a huge fan since my K7N2L... I still have that board and it works! Went all MSI with my recent build z690 carbon 13700kf msi 4090 gaming x trio. I love the aesthetics of these new MSI cards and mobos.
lol the ai display would be cool if it could tell me where the hell im getting shot from in Rust lol
If its only using on screen info is it cheating? Like I could glance at my mini map and see the threats?
Imagine lugging this awesome monitor to some LAN and ready up for some "competitive" gaming with your nerdlings....you'd get lynched my son! :D Although....I could see this Ai tech be directed at people with disabilities and impairments, in gaming and perhaps in general use stuff!
ASUS have this MB connector idea a while already 😂😂😂
is it cheating "yes" its cheating because its an automated tool that will assist you by providing additional information given to the player whom otherwise wouldn't have access to. If you as a player, have access to informational gain that other players DO NOT have access to - that is cheating.
My understanding is it's using information the player DOES have access to... aka, the minimap; they said it's only using the same screen the player sees; aka the monitor output of the PC. Still... I would be unhappy if I died because I got spotted because of this when I otherwise wouldn't have. It's a rather interesting dilemma in some ways, like would a tool to visualize sound for a deaf person be cheating when used by non-deaf people. Just like here, someone who can multitask and watch the minimap would be aware where as someone who can't, would be caught by surprise. Where do we draw the lines? It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out.
@@Raletiai agree and can see this being used by people with disabilities. If I remember correctly in some people would use colorblind settings because they gave advantages
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I had Asus had sound card when you instal drivers it show on screen where sound comes from think name was asus raid DLX.
Gonna be interesting to see how games combat this
Pretty sure league anticheat can just see your monitor model if needed.
This sadly isn't limited to MSI. ASUS TUF series monitors come/came with radar for FPS and BR and games like this one shown. This was like 5 years ago but yeah.
For me it would be totally annoying to have to see Another thing on the screen covering up whatever game I'm playing, as far as the Ai info goes.
I don't play cod or etc but fortnite already let's you see footsteps in the direction of your enemies, a bit of directional sound (which doesn't work all that great, and now sunlight gleam on the enemy when engaged from a distance. So no excess Ai needed there.
I see stuttering on that msi console thing when u were playing assassins creed game
I hope msi and intel fixes their drivers before launch. I really want to get the msi claw to keep my msi ecosystem but if it doesn't pan out well, the steam deck Oled would probably be the way.
that thing looks to perform worse then the old steam deck. The rog Ally or lenovo go are miles ahead.
@@Indrejue I was fearing this ngl. The way the game stutters during the vid is scary. Still hope it could be fixed but if not I think the Rog ally or the steam deck Oled would be my go to.
Give the AI a larger FoV and there you go. ;)
It can even predict your chance of wining based on the current state and player statistics.
The fact that PC Gamer handed out an award for a screen that helps you cheat makes me seriously question their ethical standards...
Motherboard Connectors in the rear is a bigger Gimmick than RGB lighting. You can build a clean open displayed Desktop PC the normal way. Opting for these gimmick connectors in the back will just set yourself up to have a nightmare on rear cable management. 😂
There should be a limit to how much a tool can assist the player in a competitive game. It's not wrong to have good equipment, but while it's okay for an athelete to wear lightweight running shoes wwith spikes, it's a different story when they come up in an exoskeleton. This monitor lets us think about where the shoe becomes an exoskeleton in competitive gaming.
I'd love to have that monitor but then I need to get a new graphics card to run it 🙁
Monitors Ai should enhance FPS to feel native
100 percent a map style cheat... The hp bar is cool though
Character name in league LSD is love....:)
That GPU looks amazing !
so what does the ai on the monitor do?
I am about to buy MSI’s 40 inch ultrawide
It was a little disappointing to see the stutter in the Claw. Even when just running around in the game. I like the looks of the unit itself though.
I’m super confused about why Paul was pointing out Yi’s health bar.. it wasn’t doing anything extra special than it would normally in game.
Btw I’m not trying to throw shade at Paul, I really don’t know what he was trying to call out.
IMO, the MSI monitor is definitely cheating. It's supplemental information that the game developers did not intend to expose to the player. It's kinda like the monitors that have a built in reticle in the center of the screen (like MSI has done in the past), and that's widely considered cheating. If a static reticle is cheating, then this is DEFINITELY cheating.
99% of monitors have the reticle now so its less cheaty then AI telling you where people are with on screen flashing icon.
it is cheating, but it kinda isn't that much of a deal, it might bring bronze to gold, but at higher levels people look at minimap 50% of the time, minimap awareness is like first thing to getting good at those games, later is itemization, hero selection and then mechanical skill
some will say mechanical skill is everything, but nah, you can sweat all you want and if you use wrong heroes or itemize wrong you will be dead before you know it, mehanical skills and working well under pressure is the top 5% difference
It's not cheating, it's only showing you what's on the mini-map in a different spot. If you aren't paying attention to the mini-map you are a scrub anyway.
It looks like it would be pretty annoying for an experienced player.
Imagine this refined into wall hacks in COD after a UAV goes up
3:48 okay but the big question here is ..why is LoL in Czech language 👀👀
imagine paring this with mouse driver and monitor will make headshots in CS
Next years MSI monitor will play the game for you..."MSI Guarantees a rank of Gold 3 or better in all shooter games" 😂
I want to see invisible aio hoses.
Monitor follows around a character named LSDisLove. Classy.
Coming soon, the monitor as loot box. "For only $19.95 per month subscription fee per game, you can have custom AI improve your play in any one of these free to play titles..."
There are monitors that already have assistance tools like an on-screen crosshair. Obviously AI opens up a whole new can of worms, but it'll probably end up being a cat and mouse game where game devs will have to keep up with clamping down on this tech if it becomes mainstream.
The on screen crosshairs are widely considered cheating as well. If you are using information/interfaces provided outside of what the game devs created, it is cheating.
You don't even need a specific monitor for the crosshair, it can be done through software like crosshair x or the gool ol' gluing a piece of tape to the middle of your screen.
This monitor is lacking a mouse input.
Imagine if you could plug a mouse into it.
Then the monitor would analyze the image, and move the mouse in order to reduce recoil, or aim automatically.
I'm ngl it doesn't even seem that useful that skull seems to show up once you've seen the enemy in LoS (line of sight). Granted this is just moba footage so curious how it'll handle things like CS2/Valorant or Warzone with gunshots, footsteps etc but just going off of this footage alone it doesn't look like it works like a radar/wallhack of displaying that info constantly so we'll have to wait and see how it works in other games to know for sure but I have feelin it's just gonna be gimmicky and not provide any significant advantage.
I wouldn't consider it as cheating, but a quality of life tool.
If it's providing information that's not available to others, then I would consider it as chesting.
It's providing information that's not available to other users, unless those other users are getting big skulls on their screens showing where people are, instead of having to use your eyes to look at the minimap.
@@BobBobsonid consider it an accessibility feature for those with vision issues.
An AI monitor would help anyone who is hearing impaired and is an FPS gamer. Footstep or gunshot sound markers showing the direction of the enemy. That's just one example of a game category.
if they wanna use ai, have ai automaticly color calibrate your hdr i terface in game to get the best color possible out of the monitor for the game its playing
Imagine how much better the Claw would be without the overhead of running Windows, pretty sure someone will buy one and throw SteamOS on it
the next thing is to plug a mouse and keyboard from the monitor directly into the computer, then watch the AI doing its work.
How to make these GPUs smaller? Call them SLIM, done. Aaah, thank you.
The AI monitor would be no different than having a buddy sitting beside you watching you play saying "Watch out for this guy down here!" Not cheating.
Having a friend point out stuff to you is also cheating.
Imagine you play a video game on this monitor where you enter a massive room with tens of thousands of 9s painted on the wall, but there's a single 6 hidden somewhere on the wall and you need to find it, but this monitor highlights it in a different color for you. You'd immediately be able to find it faster than you'd ever be able to without it, despite all the information being available to you on any screen.